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Paris, Madrid, Athens, Mexico City Will Ban Diesel Vehicles By 2025 (bbc.com)
The mayors of four major global cities -- Paris, Mexico City, Madrid and Athens -- announced plans to stop the use of all diesel-powered cars and trucks by 2025. The leaders made their commitments in Mexico at a biennial meeting of city leaders. BBC reports: At the C40 meeting of urban leaders in Mexico, the four mayors declared that they would ban all diesel vehicles by 2025 and "commit to doing everything in their power to incentivize the use of electric, hydrogen and hybrid vehicles." "It is no secret that in Mexico City, we grapple with the twin problems of air pollution and traffic," said the city's mayor, Miguel Angel Mancera. "By expanding alternative transportation options like our Bus Rapid Transport and subway systems, while also investing in cycling infrastructure, we are working to ease congestion in our roadways and our lungs." Paris has already taken a series of steps to cut the impact of diesel cars and trucks. Vehicles registered before 1997 have already been banned from entering the city, with restrictions increasing each year until 2020. The use of diesel in transport has come under increasing scrutiny in recent years, as concerns about its impact on air quality have grown. The World Health Organization (WHO) says that around three million deaths every year are linked to exposure to outdoor air pollution. Diesel engines contribute to the problem in two key ways -- through the production of particulate matter (PM) and nitrogen oxides (NOx). Very fine soot PM can penetrate the lungs and can contribute to cardiovascular illness and death. Nitrogen oxides can help form ground level ozone and this can exacerbate breathing difficulties, even for people without a history of respiratory problems. The diesel ban is hugely significant. Carmakers will look at this decision and know it's just a matter of time before other city mayors follow suit.
waiting for the kill
Bicycles and public transportation ftw.
That recent builds were more efficient than gasoline, and with less processing in the raw material overall it should be better?
You'll get my 2008 Mercedes ML320 CDI diesel when you pry the key from my cold, dead fingers.
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California and Mexico city suffer from a huge problem when it comes to air flow.
Mexico City is basically in a bowl, and the prevailing winds for California slap up against the rocky mountains and dump it all back on California.
So Yeah, they really do need to go all electric. But that's not a reason to ban non electrics from the rest of the world that doesn't put huge cities in the dumbest places where emissions are magnified.
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...which is used as a diesel substitute in diesel powered cars
Didn't see anything skimming TFA, but I'm assuming this is a ban on diesel passenger vehicles. If it includes commercial vehicles, then we have four cities setting themselves up for mass starvation, mass unemployment, and the complete annihilation of civil order.
how long ago did we realise that we could not gather(hunting gathering period) at a certain point of population. using a resource as a main infrastructer without creating it or reguvinating it ie logging and you will run out aventually. even eco asside it is not maintanable.
Is that going to possibly work with trucks????? There is not replacement for diesel for any truck so how the hell is this ban possibly going to work?
It's stupid enough to ban existing diesel passenger cars, giving the sheer numbers of them in Europe. But trucks????? And yeah okay I'm a cyclist and my lungs would appreciate a car ban but I just cant see this working.
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...yet not a single fuck is given outside of those countries.
There is no current replacement for a diesel. It is more efficient than gasoline. If you think that 400HP diesel engine in a bus pollutes a lot, just wait until you replace it with the equivalent powered gasoline engine. There is no alternative. You cannot haul loads of people or freight on batteries... This decision to ban is probably completely lobbied for.
Seems even Central and South America is turning against German Diesel High Technology and Industry!
This seems very very short sighted.
When the AGW scam is finally acknowledged will you apologize to everyone you insulted?
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OP here, very informative, thank you
Gasoline Engines emit more C02 per mile / ton travelled because they are less efficient. Diesel engines despite what the smug know it all liberals claim were not invented by Donald Trump to destroy the planet. They were invented by smart people because they burned less fuel and were more economical to run. Being that they use less fuel and hence produce less C02 than their gasoline guzzling counterparts, does that mean that these mayors want to kill the planet with excess C02 pollution. Nahh that can't be because they are liberal. It is only the evil white conservative males that carry the burden for the sins of the world.
Efficienciency is at the expense of pollution. If you want both, you need to run your faggot mobile with something other than dead dinosaurs. Something like a nuclear reactor fuelled with weapons grade enriched uranium.
Good luck getting goods to your city.
Why diesels? Current diesels are cleaner than current petrol engines and much, much cleaner than the petrol engines in scooters. I've heard many stupid proposals, but this one has to be the most irrational and pointless.
I can't help but be a little amused at all the people saying cities could never ban Diesel because there's no acceptable alternative.
There is, of course, just not for long-haul trucking.
There's two ways goods get delivered by truck in a city. One is the big semi comes right into town with its container. The other is that the semi goes to a transit hub somewhere around the periphery of the city and offloads its cargo into smaller trucks.
In either case, the answer is simple: detach the container at a hub and have it taken into the city by an electric or hydrogen truck. Or just off-load the cargo onto a fleet of smaller trucks that meet the city's emission standards.
This is not rocket science.
I've calculated my velocity with such exquisite precision that I have no idea where I am.
scrolled by to fast and thought he had done something bad.
you should be more accurate, as in:
You! Slashdot reader! You can get my Benz when you can pry the keys from my dead-but-reanimated zombie fingers!
That's just dumb though. Banning something and forcing more cost and inefficiency into the system doesn't solve the problem. Although I guess in France, creating and protecting unnecessary or redundant jobs is kind of a priority.
Say you have a large, quite efficient long-haul truck delivering its entire load to a superstore. You can drive directly to the superstore, unload and drive out, OR, you can drive it to some depot, spend time waiting and probably idling (creating additional emissions), spend more time and money unloading, reloading to lots of smaller trucks, all of which then drive in a long convoy to the superstore and then unload each one, drive them back to the depot, etc. Which option is less energy efficient? Which costs (significantly) more? Which creates significantly more road traffic ACTUALLY CAUSING MORE EMISSIONS FROM OTHER CARS THAT HAVE TO WAIT IN STOP-AND-GO TRAFFIC? Sure, you MIGHT be able to still reduce emissions slightly if you use essentially zero-emission small trucks, if the original truck was dirty enough and if the average traffic doesn't increase enough to drive emissions from other vehicles up too much (for example if you always do all deliveries in the middle of the night), but it still seems like having a hammer so looking at everything like a nail. I can think of several options that seem more efficient then just "lets ban X from Y."
NOW, back to the subject line. I don't know if it happens in Europe, but around here there are a surprising number of total, absolute and utter asshats who buy full size pickup trucks and deliberately eff up the engines so they shoot a voluminous cloud of thick black smoke every time they even think of touching the accelerator. They drive up and down the street "rolling coal" as they call it, to demonstrate this ability, and there's not a damn thing the cops can do about it because there's an air quality law that makes it illegal for vehicles to produce visible emissions for more than a second or two, BUT, it doesn't apply to diesel vehicles. They can try to get them on "cruising" laws and "demonstration of speed" but under current laws in my state/city they can't get them for being gross polluters and possibly ending up killing asthma patients (and the rest of us, more slowly).
If banning diesel vehicles in cities is what it takes to get those stupid selfish brainless morons off then roads, then despite the above, I guess I'm still provisionally in favor of it. They're THAT bad. Still I'd rather just have emissions laws tightened. And while they're at it, make noise laws apply to motorcycles, it's just plain stupid to deliberately make motorcycles so loud you need earplugs to ride them.
RANT
I'm literally convinced that all of the following things (and probably more) have a direct inverse correlation to both brain size and reproductive anatomy size of the driver:
- The amount of black smoke their truck spews out. /RANT
- The height of their jacked-up vehicle.
- The loudness of their vehicle's stereo when driving through residential neighborhoods.
- The loudness of their motorcycle's muffler.
- The amount of time they spend peeling out on dry pavement to be "cool."
The case of Paris is interesting since France has oddly favored diesel for years, using tax incensives.
I am a supporter of alternative fuels but currently there is no choice. It will take time to introduce choice. Electric sounds great but it is totally impractical for many people who need their car for work. Who wants to stop for 2 hours to recharge every 2 hours while on a 6 hour drive? Not everybody has a garage where they can charge their car, most people just park in the street. Petrol does have some advantages over diesel but diesel also has many advantages over petrol. Hydrogen etc. are far too new to talk about. I hope that we will continue to advance but often these moves are counter productive. Currently the best option for most people that actually do have a garage is a hybrid which still uses fuel. Diesel prolongs the life of the vehicle and is not a fire hazard which makes it a better option in a hybrid. The electric BMW i3 has a petrol generator to double the range, would that be banned? I think that these ideas are jumping the gun and we should all calm down and start taking baby steps toward a better future in order to avoid throwing the baby out with the bath water.
I love stacking my barbecues in the shed at the end of summer - you can't beat a bit of grill on grill action.
i dont know about paris and all the others but madrid has roads which belong to madrid (city), madrid (region) and madrid (spain) you get the picture, that means if some social justice warrior with a ponytail in madrid (city) wants to make this a reality will have to fight any and all LAWS from city, region, spain, and even european union that might have anything to do with a... lets say german car having the ability to drive anywhere in the eu. Maybe banning that car in a certain city is affecting the brand in a non competitive way... get it?
so as long as they are selling the cars legally, this only works until a lawyer finds a law that makes this an imposibility, so i would not get too happy about these retarded communist little ideas
you want to ban diesel cars? no problem, start at the top, with the automakers and get europe to ban the manufacturing of them. Then only allow the existing ones to be used, and then as they get older they would be replaced by better cars, Problem solved organically in a logical way. This other thing is basically a bunch of daydreaming ponytailwearing communist ideas that are not going to work