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Fake News Prompts Gunman To 'Self-Investigate' Pizza Parlor (arstechnica.com)

An anonymous reader quotes a report from Ars Technica: A rifle-wielding North Carolina man was arrested Sunday in Washington, DC for carrying his weapon into a pizzeria that sits at the center of the fake news conspiracy theory known as "Pizzagate," authorities said Monday. DC's Metropolitan Police Department said it had arrested 28-year-old Edgar Maddison Welch on allegations of assault with a dangerous weapon. "During a post arrest interview this evening, the suspect revealed that he came to the establishment to self-investigate 'Pizza Gate' (a fictitious online conspiracy theory," the agency said in a statement. "Pizzagate" concerns a baseless conspiracy theory about a secret pedophile group, the Comet Ping Pong restaurant, and Hillary Clinton's campaign chief, John Podesta. The Pizzagate conspiracy names Comet Ping Pong as the secret headquarters of a non-existent child sex-trafficking ring run by Clinton and members of her inner circle. James Alefantis, the restaurant's owner, said he has received hundreds of death threats. According to Buzzfeed, the Pizzagate theory is believed to have been fostered by a white supremacist's tweets, the 4chan message board, Reddit, Donald Trump supporters, and right-wing blogs. The day before Thanksgiving, Reddit banned a "Pizzagate" conspiracy board from the site because of a policy about posting personal information of others. Alefantis, the pizzeria's owner, told CNN, "What happened today demonstrates that promoting false and reckless conspiracy theories comes with consequences. I hope that those involved in fanning these flames will take a moment to contemplate what happened here today, and stop promoting these falsehoods right away."

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  1. Spinning even now by ThatsNotPudding · · Score: 5, Informative

    The pizzagate psychos are now being told this was clearly a 'false flag' operation to cover up and discredit a world wide pedophile ring... running out of a fucking pizza place.

    Jesus wept, this country is doomed.

    1. Re:Spinning even now by AK+Marc · · Score: 4, Informative

      The 4-Chan guys may have made it up as a joke, but I've seen it in the media (mainstream and alt-right) as a serious story. Proof the Clintons are dealing in child trafficking, based on some pizza emails.

    2. Re:Spinning even now by dbreeze · · Score: 1, Informative

      Agreed AC. Normalcy bias is a real thing. "It is easier to deceive a person than to convince them they've been deceived."
      Consider some of these...
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?...
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?...

      http://www.missingkids.com/Key...
      "Of the more than 11,800 endangered runaways reported to NCMEC in 2015, one in five were likely victims of child sex trafficking. Of those, 74 percent were in the care of social services when they went missing. " ...absolutely damning statistic IMO...

      Anthony Weiner, Dennis Hastert, Terrence Bean( https://www.youtube.com/watch?... ) - 'nuf said...

      Here's a fairly reasoned and straightforward examination of the "pizzagate" evidence that has surfaced to date...
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?...

      For those of you familiar with the Corbett Report, he did an investigation into political pedophiles a year ago...
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?...
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?...

      There's certainly a fair bit of disinformation mixed into all this, but denying that there's a real problem with spiritually wicked people in high positions of power around the world and in the USA is just head in the sand stupid and lazy.

      I'm going to post this as a parent thread also so don't squall at me, do some damned research yourselves lest someone you love falls prey to these &#@#^%&'s

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    3. Re:Spinning even now by Boronx · · Score: 3, Informative

      Your concept of "fairly reasoned and straightforward" is completely nuttery. Pictures of kids with pizza is not evidence.

  2. Michael Flynn Jr believes it by haruchai · · Score: 5, Informative

    The son of Trump's likely National Security Advisor is one of those gullible simpletons

    http://www.independent.co.uk/n...

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    1. Re:Michael Flynn Jr believes it by PopeRatzo · · Score: 5, Informative

      We need a government official to fact check this unsubstantiated allegation, right now, before these rumors get out of hand!

      No need to investigate. Michael G. Flynn's OWN WORDS:

      https://twitter.com/mflynnJR/s...

      http://www.slate.com/blogs/the...

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    2. Re:Michael Flynn Jr believes it by PopeRatzo · · Score: 3, Informative

      HOLY SHIT! You fell for god damn fake news. You think you're so fucking smart. Good Job, you fuckin uneducated moron.

      That reminds me. Trump's nominee for Secretary of Housing and Urban Development also believes the pyramids were built to store grain and the mummies were just put there to act as scarecrows.

      http://www.cnn.com/2015/11/05/...

      There's also an embedded video of him actually saying that in case you think this is also fake news.

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    3. Re:Michael Flynn Jr believes it by PopeRatzo · · Score: 3, Informative

      The MSM has basically taken to saying "this is false" without bothering to actually explain anything. The NYT did a little, but kind of ignored that the images came from the jimmycomet instagram (not random places on the web...).

      Literally none of the story is true. Not only did the whole thing start as an online hoax by pranksters, but the images in the supposed Instagram are from people who "liked" the pizza restaurant's page. None of the "FBI charts of code words" are from the FBI. None of the information that the #pizzagate morons point to is true. It is 100% false.

      Here is a comprehensive, detailed rundown with citations on the history of this hoax and whether a single fact or assertion about pizzagate has been proven true or is possible to be proven true:

      http://www.snopes.com/pizzagat...

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    4. Re:Michael Flynn Jr believes it by Boronx · · Score: 4, Informative

      Because Hillary Clinton sent emails not only from an email server, but also received emails on that same server. *Including* emails from some one named Huma Abadein, a foreign sounding name.

      Plus, if you vote for her instead of the game show host, your balls will shrivel and fall off.

  3. Re:The pedulum swing, and this is what lies bring by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

    Far left for a long time, really? It's not like we have elected anyone that really believes in socialist concepts, like Bernie does.

    Last 5 presidents:

    - Reagan (right wing Republican)
    - Bush I (centrist Republican)
    - Clinton (centrist Democrat)
    - Bush II (right wing Republcan)
    - Obama (elected as slightly left of center but wound up pretty close to Clinton if not a bit to the right of him)
    - Trump (who the fuck knows but he sure isn't a lefty)

    You could fix FIX DISHONESTY IN GOVERNMENT AND MEDIA by at least pretending to support a candidate that doesn't slander and lie at the drop of a hat.

  4. The US hasn't had a leftist prez since FDR by Overzeetop · · Score: 5, Informative

    What we consider "left" is somewhere between centrist and moderate right in the rest of the first world.

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  5. Re:Fake News? by Aristos+Mazer · · Score: 4, Informative
    Your parentheses are in the wrong place. He described his show as a

    fake (news show)

    NOT a

    (fake news) show

    Big difference.

  6. Re:But bringing an assault rifle??? by Mashiki · · Score: 3, Informative

    If this guy had been black, the pizza parlor would have been nuked from space.

    Useful tip: You're more likely to be shot by police if you're white while carrying a weapon. It's in all the crime stats you'd care to look at. Don't let that fake media narrative get you down.

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  7. Re:But bringing an assault rifle??? by serviscope_minor · · Score: 2, Informative

    Good, point, but unfortunately, you're Mashiki. So, based on previous actions the link is:

    * 65% probability: doesn't say what you claim
    * 25% probability: from some very dubious site that also doesn't say what you claim
    * > 9.9% probability: a broken link
    * < 0.1% probability: actually backs up your claim. Note that 0.1% is an upper bound. We don't have any past data in this category.

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  8. Re:These wackos are cows with guns by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

    I'm a conservative and strong supporter of the 2nd amendment, but can we please let that bogus list die. It's false example
    Nidal Hassan, No political registration in either Texas or his prior state of residency Virginia, because neither requires registering as a member of a particular party.
    Seung-Hui Cho, resident alien with no voting rights. As such he never registered to vote, party affiliation not known.

    That's just a couple examples off the top of my head. The list you pulled these from was debunked years ago. Nutjobs come from both sides of the political spectrum.

  9. Re:FTFY by Sique · · Score: 4, Informative
    Oh. I found the reason:

    The great Hunza secret to old age turned out to be its absence of birth records. The illiterate elders didn't know how old they were, and they tended to overestimate their ages by a decade or two, as I discovered by comparing their recollections with known historical events.

    Read yourself: The Optimists Are Right.

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  10. Re:Deinstitutionalization + Social Media + Guns = by dywolf · · Score: 4, Informative

    If anyone is trying to revise history, it's you.

    Yes it was Reagan.
    No, it wasnt a democratic congress.
    No, the democrats in congress at that time could not be considered progressive (much as you like to use the word as an invective).

    Deinstitutionalization began in California, just before Reagan became governor. It was a response to a set of legitimate problems, originally as a concept of trying to get patients into more local care, with less federal and state funding. But that didnt happen, patients instead began ending up on the streets or in privately run (for profit) facilities.

    And then Reagan as governor continued it, expanded it, oversaw the increasing privatization of it, and got paid by the people who profited off of the privatization.

    At the national level, Carter and the Congress (the one you mistakenly say was to blame...) crafted a law, just before Reagan became president, to roll back deinstitutionalization, and provide federal funding to be gin getting a handle on the growing problem.

    and Reagan along with a Republican controlled Congress killed the law as soon as he became president.

    From American Psychosis:

    In November 1980, Republican Ronald Reagan overwhelmingly defeated Jimmy Carter, who received less than 42% of the popular vote, for president. Republicans took control of the Senate (53 to 46), the first time they had dominated either chamber since 1954. Although the House remained under Democratic control (243 to 192), their margin was actually much slimmer, because many southern “boll weevil” Democrats voted with the Republicans.

    One month prior to the election, President Carter had signed the Mental Health Systems Act, which had proposed to continue the federal community mental health centers program , although with some additional state involvement. Consistent with the report of the Carter Commission, the act also included a provision for federal grants “for projects for the prevention of mental illness and the promotion of positive mental health,” an indication of how little learning had taken place among the Carter Commission members and professionals at NIMH. With President Reagan and the Republicans taking over, the Mental Health Systems Act was discarded before the ink had dried and the CMHC funds were simply block granted to the states. The CMHC program had not only died but been buried as well. An autopsy could have listed the cause of death as naiveté complicated by grandiosity.

    President Reagan never understood mental illness. Like Richard Nixon, he was a product of the Southern California culture that associated psychiatry with Communism. Two months after taking office, Reagan was shot by John Hinckley, a young man with untreated schizophrenia. Two years later, Reagan called Dr. Roger Peele, then director of St. Elizabeths Hospital, where Hinckley was being treated, and tried to arrange to meet with Hinckley, so that Reagan could forgive him. Peele tactfully told the president that this was not a good idea. Reagan was also exposed to the consequences of untreated mental illness through the two sons of Roy Miller, his personal tax advisor. Both sons developed schizophrenia; one committed suicide in 1981, and the other killed his mother in 1983. Despite such personal exposure, Reagan never exhibited any interest in the need for research or better treatment for serious mental illness.

    [..]

    California has traditionally been on the cutting edge of American cultural developments, with Anaheim and Modesto experiencing changes before Atlanta and Moline. This was also true in the exodus of patients from state psychiatric hospitals. Beginning in the late 1950s, California became the national leader in aggressively moving patients from state hospitals to nursing homes and board-and-care homes, known in other states by names such as group homes, boarding homes

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  11. Re:But bringing an assault rifle??? by TheCastro1689 · · Score: 3, Informative

    I read the linked article and it doesn't back up what you claim at all.