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Microsoft Exec Admits They 'Went Too Far' With Aggressive Windows 10 Updates (softpedia.com)
It's no secret that Microsoft has been aggressively pushing Windows 10 to users. Over the past year and a half, we have seen users complain about Windows 10 automatically getting downloaded to their computer, and in some cases, getting installed on its own as well. The automatic download irked many users who were on limited or slow data plans, or didn't want to spend gigabytes of data on Windows 10. A company executive has admitted for the first time that they may have went overboard with Windows 10 updates. From a report on Softpedia: Chris Capossela, Chief Marketing Officer at Microsoft, said in the latest edition of the Windows Weekly that this was the moment when the company indeed went too far, pointing out that the two weeks between the moment when users started complaining about the unexpected behavior and the one when a patch was released were "very painful." "We know we want people to be running Windows 10 from a security perspective, but finding the right balance where you're not stepping over the line of being too aggressive is something we tried and for a lot of the year I think we got it right, but there was one particular moment in particular where, you know, the red X in the dialog box which typically means you cancel didn't mean cancel," he said. "And within a couple of hours of that hitting the world, with the listening systems we have we knew that we had gone too far and then, of course, it takes some time to roll out the update that changes that behavior. And those two weeks were pretty painful and clearly a lowlight for us. We learned a lot from it obviously."
And within a couple of hours of that hitting the world, with the listening systems we have we knew that we had gone too far
Did those "listening systems" include computers with freshly installed without permission Windows 10 sending home recordings of their owners going "What the hell is this shit? I didn't agree to this!"?
The only thing necessary for evil to triumph is for it to be pitted against a slightly greater evil
Better to ask for forgiveness than permission I guess
Translation: We want everyone to be running Windows 10 from a we-now-control-every-aspect-of-your-(our)-computer perspective. We can't actually force updates on other versions, but we'll do our level best to force the version on you that we can do that with. We regret the negative publicity that the lengths we went to to make this happen caused.
This is not about pushing out a security update that cripples a system. This about Microsoft forcing people to use a new operating system which they did not agree to by circumventing standard UI behavior. Don't do it again or you will face more lawsuits.
"And those two weeks were pretty painful and clearly a lowlight for us. We learned a lot from it obviously."
Yeah, if only you guys had had some kind of organizational history to draw upon that could have provided some insight into the effects of releasing monolithic patches touching all parts of the operating system, without testing, and without machine owner approval.
"We know we want people to be running Windows 10 from a security perspective"
Correction: "We know we want people to be running Windows 10 from a data collection perspective"
This guy doesn't regret pushing the updates -- what he regrets is causing a tidal wave of tech support issues.
Apple admitting that they overcharge for memory upgrades?
I am running El Capitan on my Macbook pro, yet sitting in the Applications folder is a 4.78 GB installer for macOS Sierra that I never authorized to download.
I am Slashdot. Are you Slashdot as well?
The problem is contained in his statement: "We know we want people to be running Windows 10 from a security perspective..."
To be successful a company should NEVER let 'what they want' get in the way of 'what the customer wants'. It is pretty simple but when a company gets way too powerful in their position this sort of crap happens.
The dialog was always misleading. The presence in the system tray was always annoying to users.
When the Marketing Team is louder than the engineers, mostly.
Consistency is only a virtue if you're not a screw-up.
Even if all the major bugs get worked out of Win10 (say, SP2-3 or so), I really don't expect Win10 to EVER lose the taint that Microsoft's deployment of it, in the eyes of all too many of its' customers.
I mean, you KNOW it's bad, when your non-techie wife asks about Linux, after an uncommanded Win10 install (and rollback) left her gaming--and-graphics box messed up until I could restore it from the image file I had made a month prior. . .
These actions are first sanctioned at the highest level. Then, long after it's been executed, and harm done, mere apologies are issued.
Slashdot, fix the reply notifications... You won't get away with it...
They got close to a billion users to upgrade and have their computing environment be monetized with marginal cost to the company and they acted too quickly for the FTC or whomever to do anything about it.
They did this just right. If you're Microsoft, of course.
The 2% of people who switched to Mac and and 0.5% of people who switched to FLOSS desktops are totally acceptable costs.
My God, it's Full of Source!
OUTSIDE_IP=$(dig +short my.ip @outsideip.net)
Fuck off you liars.
They still go too far. I have no problem the default behavior being that updates are applied automatically but what goes too far is that 1. this isn't disable-able, 2. their "Active Hours" can't be longer than 12 hours so I can assume my machine won't reboot for only 12 hours out of the day (morning OR night but can't have both), and 3. I should be able to decide what my machine does if I so choose; not Microsoft.
I really like Windows 10 aside from their automatic updates, data collection, and ads in my start menu. They all get disabled in the end but it's kind of a pain in the ass because Microsoft doesn't want me to do so. At least they can't stop my router from denying access to network services ^_^
-SaNo
It is easier to ask forgiveness (even with a half-assed apology like this), than permission.
Silence is a state of mime.
To get itself installed then maybe the software is lacking in merit.
When I cloned my HDD to an SSD on a USB adapter, Win10 marked the SSD as a "portable OS" in the registry and that later prevented the anniversary update from installing on a USB drive (never mind that the SSD booted from SATA). I actually had to open regedit.exe to edit the "portable OS" key from "1" to "0" for the anniversary update to install properly.
I think Microsoft hasn't gone far enough with shoving Win10 onto all their users. I mean, there are still people willing to put up with Microsoft, so their job isn't done yet. Their "Switch to Linux" program has done plenty to piss some people off but they haven't pissed off all of their users enough that they are willing to jump ship. ;)
Anons need not reply. Questions end with a question mark.
It's easier to apologize than to ask permission.
...there are more than two options when you try to turn off your computer. 1) Upgrade and Restart or 2) Upgrade and Shutdown
Just yesterday, My gaming machine, the only windows install left in the house, came in with an ominous warning as I was playing a game: It said it had downloaded an update, and that it would restart in 20 minutes, whether I wanted it or not. No installing at night, or tomorrow, or anything. Imagine if instead of playing a game, I was giving a talk.
This is the kind of shit that makes people not use windows for work.
(here on Brazil) Linux desktops are getting to be an viable option for corporations here: thanks again, M$!
Dear Chris,
This Christmas, would you please send me and all of us Windows 10 users the gift of NOT AUTOMATICALLY RESTARTING MY FUCKING COMPUTER WHEN YOU UPDATE BECAUSE I WALKED AWAY FROM IT FOR TWO MINUTES AFTER "WORKING HOURS"? I have lost my open browser tabs and other work so many times now that you are destroying the user experience of millions of people, including me. And no, work hours for people like myself who consult are completely random and I'm not about to change them manually every time I need to change my hours or they extend beyond a limit you assume is mine.
Best Regards,
StandardCell
it looked and worked the same as Windows 7. No weird splash pop-ups. No Cortana, no bin of broken-dependency plugins which somehow cause the whole system to be unstable. After months of fighting with Windows 10 (common refrain in my house "Oh my gawd, why is this taking so LONG!"), and some of my forum-sourced tweaks at trying to speed things up (to just even a reasonable speed, I had given up hoping it would be as fast and reliable as Ubuntu), the thing was so broken I had to re-install ... Windows 7.
It was like stepping out into a clear day from the fog. Everything works (sorta, after figuring out the initial Get Updates Functional and Started fiasco, which requires a separate download, since their original update manager doesn't play with the current update server). Programs load. The Start menu works, and just has Start menu stuff in it, no weather, no news, no ads. Seriously, who came up with the brilliant idea of putting ads in my Start bar. STOP IT! I should have to install some seriously advanced viruses to get that s**t. But now they come with a fresh install, directly from Microsoft.
And now they're un-supporting Windows7 entirely, no new updates. Don't see why, as far as I can tell, most of the base operating system is the same, except for Windows 10 built in spyware. None-the-less, I will stick with Windows 7 until it becomes unusable, and then I think my family will just have to figure out Mint or Ubuntu or something. I'm done with Microsoft.
Last week Windows Weekly left us with a cliffhanger tease about a special surprise guest.
Well... guess I know who that is now.
Actually, I kid, I don't really care. I just thought it was funny that WW (not an often cited podcast) would be featured on /.
My eyes reflect the stars and a smile lights up my face.
I actually consider Windows 10 to be completely flawed due to its forced and frequent update scheme.
I often only boot up my Windows PC every week or two. Invariably, there will be updates to process. What this means is that just about every boot takes multiple minutes to complete.
I consider an operating system that takes many minutes to start up in the year 2016 when using a fast SSD drive, to be fundamentally flawed.
Additionally, there have been times when I have left a long-running boot up and had the operating system force-reboot my system for updates while I was in the middle of actively using it.
That is 100% unacceptable. Even if by design, I consider it to be intrinsically flawed as an operating system.
These issues are so onerous to me that they lead me to hate Windows 10 with a white-hot passion. The only reason I am using it is because I have to for my VR PC ...
The whole "we knew we'd gone too far with that specific incident" mea culpa is bullshit anyway, designed to frame things as if that was solely why people remembered being pissed off at MS- and having apologised for that alone, everyone would think "oh, it wasn't that big, they messed up once but now it's okay and aren't MS mostly great really?"
In reality, they'd been aggressively pushing Windows 10 for months on end by that point (from late 2015 until the "offer" ended in mid-2016) repeatedly trying to override users' explicit wishes against that, to the extent of using techniques that even bland, MOR IT publications were comparing to malware.
Now they're trying to minimise peoples' memories of the incident to the maliciously-designed "close button" semantics? Not even close. That was merely the peak of the obnoxiousness. They repeatedly and consistently maintained this behaviour for several months- they knew exactly what they were doing.
And they know exactly what they're doing with this self-serving, PR-approved "apology" that doesn't begin to cover what actually happened.
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How can an entire team of engineers be so foolish?
When will we stop blaming management decisions on engineers? Do you really think engineers are in charge at Microsoft?
Up the ass. With a big stick. With lots of thorns.
"...We learned a lot from it obviously."
They learned nothing from it. They don't give a fuck about their users, and they've proved it so many times that I've lost count.
"but there was one particular moment in particular where, you know, the red X in the dialog box which typically means you cancel didn't mean cancel,"
Bullshit. There had to be dozens and dozens of people involved in the decision to implement that UI-breaking "feature", if not a hundred or more.
The fact that all of them signed off on it tells you everything you need to know about Microsoft. They'll happily break their own product and deceive you in order to trick you into "upgrading".
Fuck you, Microsoft.
Just cruising through this digital world at 33 1/3 rpm...
In the Trump Era you don't admit to mistakes.
Table-ized A.I.
No, he meant what he said by "...want people to be running Windows 10 from a security perspective".
But although he implied that he meant "from the end user's computer security perspective", actually he means "from a Microsoft's future financial security perspective".
Which does include data harvesting, as you point out. But also Win10 is the path to the OS on a subscription model.
Agreed, i'm surprised the cancel-to-upgrade dialogue is the one thing that they say went too far, and not the months of upgrade nagging beforehand.
Not to mention that even once you have the fucking OS installed, it still constantly nags you to update for every minor patch every few days and wants to restart your PC with no way to disable it, until one day it just decides on its own to restart your PC, too bad if you're downloading something overnight or have unsaved work or in the middle of a major business presentation. Fun fact, that's exactly what happened to Mike Krahulik's Surface while doing the live comic at PAX AUS this year. MS should have been really fucking embarrassed about that but they don't seem to have any shame any more.
Yesterday my neighbour came in and said his computer is not working - I discovered later it was win10, looked like it had the dhcp bug covered in /. and some update had restored the default screen. It was slow even on a brand new two month old hp shop bought laptop with installed help (trash)
I run linux so i had an enjoyable hour looking through win 10, eventually it connected and synced his email via the wndows crapware.
I genuinely felt sorry for them that MS and there partners had screwed up the most idiotic task of reading and sending email. The hope in this is that the next version will be even more useless and drive people to avoid microsoft 'products'
Microsoft screws its customers in different ways on a regular basis. Said customers keep coming back for more. Why apologize? If anything, Microsoft should up the ante and find out how much crap its customers are willing to put up with. For example, if I were Microsoft I would not only force them to upgrade, but I would also charge them for the privilege. Why not? If those suckers go for it...
Hey, if EAFP worked for Guido van Rossum and his Python Software Foundation, it can work for Microsoft.
"NEVER ask for permission. Ask for foregivness, AFTER you've accomplished what you wanted."
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imo, Microsoft knew exactly what they were doing all along with the forced march to Windows 10, up to and including execs blogging about how sorry they are.
I just reset two Lenovo laptops for my work (they were the bosses kids old laptops), and I actually wouldn't mind loading W10 on them, and now it's no longer coming up as an option...d'oh.
You wrecked so many people's world. Guess who had to fix it. Shit in your own nest this time Microsoft. Don't expect us to be as easy as you are being on yourself. You screwed up bad.
"Congress shall make no law... abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press"
"Yes means no and no means yes. Do you want me to hit you?"
Oh, no! You have walked into the slavering fangs of a lurking grue!
"They will never learn when the CORRUPT CEO IS STILL RUNNING THE COMPANY." Under Gates and Ballmer, MS may have screwed over potential competitors, but with Satya Nadella, they are screwing over the customers. Forcing a spyware loaded, system breaking, auto update "upgrade" on unsuspecting customers is straight up evil and they should be prosecuted for false advertising (abuse of common knowledge of what an update is and/or systems that were reviewed and labeled Windows 10 ready when they werent) and or vandalism (damaging/modifying another's property without their consent; you could have a street artist paint a beautiful mural on the front of your building, but it is still vandalism if he didn't have your permission). And don't give me that BS about giving windows update permission: users gave windows update permission to update their OS, not replace it with a new, different OS that behaved differently, had a different set of utilities and much lower level of privacy and control. MS customers want Nadella gone as a first step in the right direction.
If you disagree, please post your argument. (-1, Overrated) isn't your personal censorship tool for views you don't like
Was public relations deciding it was ok to launch the shuttle when the engineers kept telling them it was too cold.
Did you know 80 to 90% of the moderators on slashdot wouldn't recognize a troll even if one dragged them under a bridge.
Right, I mean...they needed feedback to tell them that hiding the behavior they were trying to force on people behind a control that has done something else for, oh, 20+ years without exception was gonna be a loser?
And the average age of said marketing team is 23.
Everyone is responsible for their job. Those engineers can refuse to do unethical things, but they choose not to because they value the money that management waves in front of them more than the wellbeing of their fellow man.
Windows itself (7 & 8) became a malware/bot-net with these aggressive tactics. I'm still pissed off about it. I had to go out of my way to find tools to disable the reminders. Some people weren't so lucky, and it AUTOMATICALLY installed on their systems without consent of the users. I'm no legal expert but there HAS to be some kind of lawsuit material with that stunt. If there was a class action, I'd sign up.
Those engineers can refuse to do unethical things, but they choose not to because they value the money that management waves in front of them more than the wellbeing of their fellow man.
You're not talking about murder or espionage. You're talking about day-to-day business. Things that are entirely legal. The "unethical" thing is going to get done regardless of protest.
There is little point in resigning over such a matter---and a huge personal impact, especially if the employee is responsible for children or aging parents.
Blaming the programmers is a load of crap. It can take a year or two to realize that your company has changed and to line up a decent job.
Microsoft management could have dropped the requirement at any point in development up to final release, and they chose not to. They are the ones with the real choice and the real power.
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Easy, engineers are morons. They don't think about what PEOPLE need or want
You obviously aren't an engineer. Nor do you know many. Most engineers don't decide the features and performance requirements of the product. Either management or the customer does.
So the people writing the specs are morons. If someone gives you a recipe for a turd sandwich, you're going to make them a turd sandwich---or else you'll get fired for not doing your job.
Maybe you can ask them if they want lettuce or tomato on their turd sandwich. Maybe you can tell them that they have to choose between toasted and untoasted bread (because it's impossible to have both). But, in the end, if the spec is a turd sandwich then that's what you deliver.
I'm sure any programmer with an ounce of sense realized the implications of automatic updates and always-on telemetry. And most of them would never put that crap into the spec if they had any say in the matter. But they don't get a say. So enjoy your turd sandwich.
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I upgraded to LINUX years ago... it was the perfect solution. Everyone should try it !! :D
Higuita
Microsoft engineers are just as brainwashed as their marketing team.
The only 'obvious' thing here is that you shouldn't lie to, trick, and deceive your customers. Why you had to 'learn' this is not obvious at all; in fact, it would be a total fucking mystery if not for the fact that Microsoft has demonstrably corrupt and psychopathic leadership. This 'we learned our lesson' shit just doesn't fly - all you've learned is that you need to be less heavy-handed if you want to continue to screw people over without suffering a massive backlash from your customers and getting bitch-slapped in the tech press.
'The Economy' is a giant Ponzi scheme whose most pitiable suckers are the youngest among us and the yet-unborn.
A Windows 10 update removed ALL of the graphics drivers for my son's GTX-1080. This despite trying to block them as much as possible.
Fortunately it was a small matter for the tech-savvy kid to reinstall them, and if not, I could have managed, but imaging if we had been clueless consumers spending significant cash on a gaming PC, that Microsoft now "broke".
I think the next time it happens I will send them a bill for our time: I consult at $350 an he at $175 an hour.
In Liberty, Rene
And with the conclusion of this hollow apology, cue the next announcement: your Windows SaaS subscription dues will be due in x days or we will deprecate your experience by serving more ads on our machine that happens to be in your possession.
Hehehe, my captcha is "unplug". How deliciously apropo.
Easy, engineers are morons. They don't think about what PEOPLE need or want
You obviously aren't an engineer. Nor do you know many. Most engineers don't decide the features and performance requirements of the product. Either management or the customer does.
So the people writing the specs are morons. If someone gives you a recipe for a turd sandwich, you're going to make them a turd sandwich---or else you'll get fired for not doing your job.
Maybe you can ask them if they want lettuce or tomato on their turd sandwich. Maybe you can tell them that they have to choose between toasted and untoasted bread (because it's impossible to have both). But, in the end, if the spec is a turd sandwich then that's what you deliver.
I'm sure any programmer with an ounce of sense realized the implications of automatic updates and always-on telemetry. And most of them would never put that crap into the spec if they had any say in the matter. But they don't get a say. So enjoy your turd sandwich.
I don't know about you but I ordered a Giant Douche and instead got this Turd Sandwich... I'm outraged!
The power of a software proprietor won't be deterred by a few lawsuits or fines. You read it in Microsoft's response, their "listening systems" tell them things, things their users can't help but divulge as long as they are running Microsoft's software. This is what proprietors do because they control the software their users run and their users (no matter how long they've run the software, no matter how well they keep up with what configuration options are available) are no match for source code kept hidden from the users when the users only get binaries.
To expect differently is to announce that one doesn't understand the power proprietors have, use, and how they make their money and wield their power.
It's sad to read about people in other posts "rolling back" Windows 10 to something (presumably another proprietor's software, perhaps even another variant of Windows) where they think they will have more control. Microsoft has already demonstrated (via so-called "forced upgrades" of Windows 7 to Windows 10) that they can and will deploy whatever software they want to any networked Windows endpoint they wish. As long as you insist on running the proprietor's software you have a lot less freedom to control how that software behaves than you think you do.
Digital Citizen
I've said it before, and I'm sure I'll say it again: FUCK MICROSOFT
Fortunately for me, myself, and I don't use their product(s) anymore. Haven't for over a decade now.
And thankfully, where we must (accounting at work) ... I control the router. *.microsoft.com was/is blocked. Windows is an appliance to run a few apps and those stations are blocked from any Internet access altogether anyway.
Fuck Microsoft. See, I said it again.
Oh come on! I can go with execution, waterboarding & such, but that??? You're just being plain nasty.
I like it.
Oh please stop with the "source equals security" bullshit which is trivially proven false, ready? You have the source, kindly list for us the vulnerabilities in the Linux networking stack...what, you can't? How about any lousy code in the audio stacks? What you HAVE vetted the code, yes?
The "source equals security" fallacy is a fallacy of assumption, you assume because the code is there someone has done the work for you and vetted these millions of lines of code with zero actual evidence that it has actually occurred and in fact vulnerabilities like Heartbleed, Bash weaknesses that have sat there for years and the plethora of Linux targeted malware including commercial attacks give plenty of evidence that the opposite is true and the majority of code isn't looked at beyond whomever is actually working on the thing.
I think Windows 10 is a giant POS where the only thing that runs reliably is its baked in spyware (which makes it similar to Android so if Nutella is trying to copy Google? Mission accomplished.) but I also hate OS flag waving bullshit when it has no evidence to back it up, from "OSX doesn't get malware" which Macheads simply changed the definition of what malware was until that statement could still prove true and in the same vein with Linux based Android beating Windows several years in a row when it comes to malware growth and major Linux exploits coming out of the woodwork claiming source equals security is no different than claiming Santa Claus protects your OS, you have the same level of evidence for both statements.
ACs don't waste your time replying, your posts are never seen by me.
All I can do is blink dumbly after reading that.
They knew that they had gone too far, and yet they didn't revert what they did.
"We learned a lot from that"
Are you fucking serious? How breathtakingly stupid do you have to be to not realize how dishonest this tactic was, before you even started writing one line of the the freaking code?
So basically, Microsoft Marketing have finally realized that they have proven to the world that Microsoft is just as evil now as they were before, so now they're trying to deflect and make it look like incompetence rather than malice. Sorry, no. You don't "accidentally" turn Windows Update into a malware vector. You don't "accidentally" design an operating system around spying on the user, and forcing it to be an ad platform against the user's wishes. You don't "accidentally" steal away fundamental control of a user's machine, and deny them the right to take it back again.
I don't know what this idiot was hoping to accomplish with his post, but I doubt he succeeded.
The source equals security from the company providing the software you fool. The company can not stick in any code the end user can not remove and recompile to run, also everyone sees exactly what the perves are trying to steal from you and put a stop to it. It is also demonstrably more secure the closed source proprietary software from an external view point and that's a well proven fact.
M$ are just a slimy pack of privacy invasive scum looking to sell the private lives of their customers and their families, leave them subject to invasive corporate and government hacks with targeted upgrades and generally behaving in the most disgusting antisocial ways imaginable.
The apology a sure sign that those assholes are coming under regulatory consideration and a lot of their corrupt disgusting behaviour will be legislated against.
Chaos - everything, everywhere, everywhen
Again you have ZERO EVIDENCE that the bazillion coders that make up the hodge podge of software that is stuck together to form a Linux OS hasn't fucked you just as hard because nobody has vetted the entire stack and in fact unlike Windows vetting a Linux OS would be impossible as unlike Windows where one version is supported for a decade before you even got the vetting done the pieces would have had 3 or 4 revisions!
So I'm sorry but the only fool is you. I have provided links showing that source equals security is a complete fallacy yet you hang onto this bullshit belief like a flat earther coming up with ever more insane logical hoops to try to justify your insanity. Source isn't magic wands, code doesn't vet itself, and you sir are no different than any other FOSSSie who doesn't understand basic concepts like the is ought fallacy which your entire belief system is based upon.
ACs don't waste your time replying, your posts are never seen by me.
Easy, engineers are morons. They don't think about what PEOPLE need or want
You obviously aren't an engineer. Nor do you know many. Most engineers don't decide the features and performance requirements of the product. Either management or the customer does.
So the people writing the specs are morons. If someone gives you a recipe for a turd sandwich, you're going to make them a turd sandwich---or else you'll get fired for not doing your job.
Maybe you can ask them if they want lettuce or tomato on their turd sandwich. Maybe you can tell them that they have to choose between toasted and untoasted bread (because it's impossible to have both). But, in the end, if the spec is a turd sandwich then that's what you deliver.
I'm sure any programmer with an ounce of sense realized the implications of automatic updates and always-on telemetry. And most of them would never put that crap into the spec if they had any say in the matter. But they don't get a say. So enjoy your turd sandwich.
I don't know about you but I ordered a Giant Douche and instead got this Turd Sandwich... I'm outraged!
That kinds of sums up US federal elections.
APK, is that you?
Everything I write is lies, read between the lines.
I had to read down this far for someone to finally comment on how simple it would be for poor Microsoft to avoid those two agonizing weeks.
Nice post. Someone please mod it up.
Until I can completely disable auto-updates I won't be using windows 10 its as simple as that.
How's life in the hypocrite lane?
Obama induced castration?
cool!
_ _ _ Go for the eyes Boo! GO FOR THE EYES!
Engineers? You really think it was engineers who made that decision? My money is on marketing or management. Let's toss them down some tall building and whoever hits the ground first is the culprit.
We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
It was bad enough when they outsourced the support to India, but here you can see what happens when you outsource management.
We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
So at least the good news is that they die young.
We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
For a brief moment I thought you're talking about the "updates" that are still being forced down the throats of Windows 10 users that brick systems and render them unusable, but instead you're seeking forgiveness for something that cannot be undone and that has been over for months now anyway?
Fuck you.
Go play with something poisonous and kill yourself.
We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
An offer you can't refuse
They ARE in charge. It's just not a positive charge.
WARNING: Smartphones have side effects--most of them undocumented.
MS gets too aggressive with updates, and people who wouldn't mind less aggressive updates get annoyed and turn off auto-updating altogether, for better or worse...
I did that with my tablet after an automatic update left me stuck at the login screen until I figured out how to roll back the update.
-uso.
What you hear in the ear, preach from the rooftop Matthew 10.27b
Translation: M$ burned me before, but I couldn't just switch to Linux [and so on with stuffing words into my mouth]
You seem quite willing to make assumptions that aren't supported by what was said.
Spoiler; you don't need to have been in that position to have followed the news and known what MS were doing. But that would have ruined a good self-righteous sneer, wouldn't it?
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... from the Linux Foundation. Microsoft (heart) Linux, and Windows 10 proves it!
TL;DR: Easier to ask forgiveness than permission.
~REZ~ #43301. Who'd fake being me anyway?
I'll believe this apology when I see the one-click rollback tool that never fails. (This is possible under ZFS.)
I guess that means I'll also accept their apology if and when they release Windows 7/ZFS.
This is important information for those poor user who are still stuck with a computer running a Microsoft OS.