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Automatic Brakes Stopped Berlin Truck During Christmas Market Attack (dw.com)
An anonymous reader quotes a report from Deutsche Welle: The truck that plowed into a Berlin Christmas market, killing 12, came to a halt due an automatic braking system, according to German media reports on Wednesday. The automatic braking system potentially saved the lives of many more people in the recent terrorist attack. An investigation by newspaper "Suddeutsche Zeitung" and broadcasters "NDR" and "WDR" found the Scania R 450 semi-trailer stopped after between 70 and 80 meters (250 feet). The system was reportedly engaged after sensing a collision. Previous reports speculated that the truck had driven erratically and stopped due to the heroic actions of the truck's Polish driver, who lay fatally wounded in the cabin. In 2012 the European Union adopted regulations requiring all new trucks exceeding 3,500 kilograms be fitted with advanced emergency braking systems. The systems initially alert drivers and then take evasive action. The regulation was adopted to reduce the number of rear end collisions by trucks.
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Could have stopped. Should have stopped.... Technology is evolving fast.
If this technologically non-savvy terrorist had no idea about automated braking, just think about technologically savvy terrorist who will be able to program automatic trucks to ignore collision by hacking certain sensors. We are talking about automatic road killing robot.
How would you stop such autonomous cargo truck with no driver to shoot at?
We must be accepting of all people even the ones for whom murdering infidels is part of their culture.
The system was reportedly engaged after sensing a collision.
The regulation was adopted to reduce the number of rear end collisions by trucks.
So, ... this system reduces the number of rear end collisions by slamming on the breaks after it hits something?
Perhaps you should learn german and read german news.
This was not a refugee but a planted "terrorist" or call him an insane criminal who planted himself with plenty of false documents.
If you have an idea how to handle the refugee crisis, then speak up. If you only has malice for the people suffering then please keep it for your self.
Cost free eBook I read (by iBook/Kobo/Amazon/ObookO/Gutenberg etc.): "The Green Odyssey" by Philip Jose Farmer.
i don't see any double edged sword : you can get a vehicle to accelerate without braking with a stone and a bit of tape, and "ignore collision" is the default mode without that system. But the problem would not be to accelerate without a driver, the problem would be to drive at all. You would need to remote control the vehicle, a much harder problem. Even if you used a driver-less car you would need to change the software to bypass all securities. Needless to say, it is much easier terror wise to get a cheap drone, attach 500 kg of remotely detonated plastic, and use that, you got remote control together with a camera built in.
C. Sagan : A demon haunted world:
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Handling Muslim refugees is simple: have Muslim countries handle it. Why would a Christian country accept Muslims? It doesn't make sense. Christians are the mortal enemies of Muslims (it says so in the Koran)? Why won't the Muslim countries take all the refugees? It is their people.
Quran (5:51) - "O you who believe! do not take the Jews and the Christians for friends; they are friends of each other; and whoever amongst you takes them for a friend, then surely he is one of them; surely Allah does not guide the unjust people."
And DON'T say that is "out of context". This is the Koran. Direct quote.
And I'm pretty sure that the Old Testament says that kids who sass their parents should be put to death. Not to mention the large number of "abominations" outside of being gay that are routinely ignored in Leviticus.
What was your point again?
Maybe, and I'm just throwing this out there, we shouldn't base the entirety of our behavior models on books over 1000 years old. I'm just saying....
Mr. Hu is not a ninja.
Because Germany is not a "christian" country. The largest religious group in Germany is "no religious affiliation".
Quran (5:51) - "O you who believe! do not take the Jews and the Christians for friends; they are friends of each other; and whoever amongst you takes them for a friend, then surely he is one of them; surely Allah does not guide the unjust people."
And I'm pretty sure that the Old Testament says that kids who sass their parents should be put to death. Not to mention the large number of "abominations" outside of being gay that are routinely ignored in Leviticus.
You are comparing a book that is routinely ignored with a book that is routinely followed.
I'm a minority race. Save your vitriol for white people.
Handling Muslim refugees is simple: have Muslim countries handle it. Why would a Christian country accept Muslims? It doesn't make sense. Christians are the mortal enemies of Muslims (it says so in the Koran)? Why won't the Muslim countries take all the refugees? It is their people.
Quran (5:51) - "O you who believe! do not take the Jews and the Christians for friends; they are friends of each other; and whoever amongst you takes them for a friend, then surely he is one of them; surely Allah does not guide the unjust people."
And DON'T say that is "out of context". This is the Koran. Direct quote.
Ah, another fine example of religion causing one human to want to harm and kill another.
And DON'T try and claim this only applies to Muslims. All religions create mortal enemies for little or no justified reason.
Completely false. Christians account for over 50 million Germans vs 21 million unaffiliated.
http://www.pewforum.org/2015/04/02/religious-projection-table/
Please quit spreading lies.
Any asylum seeker found guilty of committing a violent crime should be booted immediately.
Funny, Trump suggested this for illegal immigrants, instead of refugees, and he was called a racist for saying it. I see people decided you are insightful for saying something very similar, just a different country with different people. The difference is Trump was talking about those illegally in the country, instead of approved to be there.
I'm not sure why this is an acceptable view to have now, where it was completely irrational and crazy just a month ago. Perhaps people should keep this in mind when trying to figure out how he won the election.
I'm pretty sure both books are routinely ignored.
I went to school with a number of Muslim students. They didn't attack me, or condemn me, or anything like that. I was actually in a study group with a couple of them for one semester. And at least one of them routinely ignored the Koran's prohibition on drinking.
I worked with at least one Muslim co-worker at my last job. He didn't attack me, or condemn me, or anything like that. I had a number of Muslim customers (including at least one who converted to Islam). None of them attacked me, or condemned me, or anything like that.
There are an estimated 3.3 million Muslims living in the U.S. I think we would have noticed if most of them were routinely attacking Christians.
It is not the religion, per se, that is the problem. It is fundamentalists or extremists who claim to be part of the religion that are the problem.
Mr. Hu is not a ninja.
It is not the religion, per se, that is the problem. It is fundamentalists or extremists who claim to be part of the religion that are the problem.
I think we can safely say that it is both. Idiots are a problem, and people who get them worked up to do stupid things in the name of religion are also a problem. Take away that excuse and they'll have many less takers.
"You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
Fortunately you have to be kind of an idiot to want to murder people like this anyway.
There's some evidence to suggest otherwise:
Which academic pursuit has been the most prevalent among Islamic jihadis?
It’s not the oddest question to come up at a dinner party, especially at the University of Oxford. But when it comes up between a Middle East expert and a sociologist, idle talk yields to a quest for data. That’s how political scientist Steffen Hertog and sociology professor Diego Gambetta soon found themselves poring through records of 404 people from 30 countries engaged in political violence between 2005 and 2007. Their answer? Engineering.
Of the 178 whose academic focus could be ascertained, 44 percent of those were engineers—most of them in electrical engineering, civil engineering, and computer studies. The next-largest group, Islamic studies, had fewer than half as many, at 19 percent [see table below, ”Fields of Study”].
* http://spectrum.ieee.org/telecom/security/extremist-engineers
The largest religious group in Germany is "no religious affiliation".
From CIA World Factbook:
Protestant 34%,
Roman Catholic 34%,
Muslim 3.7%,
unaffiliated or other 28.3%
Or wikipedia:
Christianity is the largest religion in Germany, with an estimated 59.4% of the country's population in 2015 (66.8% at the 2011 census).
There's no call for gun BANS. Only better gun control.
It's really quite simple.
Stop making it so easy to get a gun, there will be fewer guns, therefore fewer people will get shot.
Stop letting nuts get guns, and there will be a LOT fewer deaths from guns.
If you're really scared of criminals, arm the police. Oh you do? But here's some other things to remember
1) If they know you're armed, they will bring one too. And they're away and know it's a dangerous situation, whilst you're asleep in a home you know is safe because you're armed.
2) They just want your TV. It's fucking insured. Let them have it. Your TV isn't worth taking someone else's life.
3) When you come home pissed, your missus will hear an intruder and shoot you dead with your own gun. That sucks. Even if you survive.
4) if a criminal needs a gun, he knows where to get one. your house.
Germany is quite christian, it is just not nearly as religious as USA. Christians form the majority of German population, most German holidays are christian in nature and the chancellor belongs to the christian democratic union.
"It's such a fine line between stupid and clever" -- David St. Hubbins, Spinal Tap
Why was this story published? It's exactly the kind of information the next would-be mass murderer would need to refine his attack.
I'm astonished by the amount of detail law enforcement is willing to give on cases like this one. Safety features on the truck, details on how the attacker fled (and how much success he had using those methods). Nobody except greedy media companies benefits from these being common knowledge, and we should stop indulging them.
Quran (5:51) - "O you who believe! do not take the Jews and the Christians for friends; they are friends of each other; and whoever amongst you takes them for a friend, then surely he is one of them; surely Allah does not guide the unjust people."
And I'm pretty sure that the Old Testament says that kids who sass their parents should be put to death. Not to mention the large number of "abominations" outside of being gay that are routinely ignored in Leviticus.
You are comparing a book that is routinely ignored with a book that is routinely followed.
Note quite "ignored". There is a moral law (10 Commandments in Genesis) and ceremonial law (found in Leviticus, etc.):
* https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4r2m_cffRjI
The latter was applied in the Kingdom is Israel in the Temple, neither of which exist anymore, so are not applied. It's like asking why don't the people in the City of Rome following /Corpus Juris Civilis/? Well, because Justinian I has been dead for a few centuries and the Roman Empire no longer exists... so it's laws no longer apply. The ceremonial law was to mark the Israelites as the Messianic people.
Once the (alleged) Messiah of Jesus of Nazareth arrived, the "marking" was no longer strictly necessary. The former ("moral") is also called "apodictic" law, and the latter casuistic law. Apodictic is fairly absolute ("Thou shalt not..."), while casuistic is case-based ("If X, then Y"). A Catholic take ("Do Catholics Follow All Those Weird Old Testament Laws?"):
* https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sDQQ0U8FHAE
Of course since Martin Luther, and the Protestant Fractal Explosion, some folks still take the OT seriously:
* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_views_on_the_Old_Covenant
I like this episode of "The West Wing":
* https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S1-ip47WYWc
It is not the religion, per se, that is the problem. It is fundamentalists or extremists who claim to be part of the religion that are the problem.
I think we can safely say that it is both. Idiots are a problem, and people who get them worked up to do stupid things in the name of religion are also a problem. Take away that excuse and they'll have many less takers.
Not really, not all fundamentalists, and religions or ideologies, contribute to the problem. But for extremists, I think most agree they're a problem in every culture.
Okay, I will chime in ...
There are an estimated 3.3 million Muslims living in the U.S. I think we would have noticed if most of them were routinely attacking Christians.
You are probably in the US as well. Regardless what we may think, the US as nation and the Americans in general are quite law-abiding . And even though there may be some very extreme and mostly conservative views in that great nation, it is rare relatively that folks resort to violence due to secular differences.
Do not fool yourself thinking that moderation and tolerance exists in primarily Muslim countries. Other religions are oppressed and abused. Governments and law enforcement will turn a blind eye and non-Muslim minorities just have to grin and bear it. Check out what happens in Iraq, Indonesia, Nigeria, and Egypt.
No, you have not been condemned to your face. What do you think happens behind your back?
Islam is where Christianity was 500 years ago. Can't say that there is a perfect religion, but I'd take living in a Christian country over a Muslim one, 100% of the time.
The world is changing; more open borders, a global economy and the even Internet as an equalizing medium. There are now more cultural clashes than what we have ever seen in history. And as much as I may consider myself a liberal and socialist, one cannot be naive either in regards the realities of Islam and how they (in general) deal with other groups.
As your parent already pointed out: germans are not christians, 80% or more are agnostics or atheists.
Going to church on christmas or voting for CDU or even being a member does not make you a Christian.
I bet minimum 30% of the non Jew, non Muslim and non others even explicitly left Church to safe the church tax.
After France Germany is most likely the country with the biggest 'non Christian' population and in Europe most certainly the biggest 'non believers' population.
Cost free eBook I read (by iBook/Kobo/Amazon/ObookO/Gutenberg etc.): "The Green Odyssey" by Philip Jose Farmer.
The Koran actually does not prohibit drinking. ....
It prohibits 'getting high' (as in loosing control) from any drug.
In other words it allows drinking with measure (and in plenty of islamic countries drinking is common).
But then came the Sharia
Cost free eBook I read (by iBook/Kobo/Amazon/ObookO/Gutenberg etc.): "The Green Odyssey" by Philip Jose Farmer.
I'm pretty sure both books are routinely ignored.
The one book directly forms the basis of government and law in many countries; it is, indeed, routinely followed to the letter.
[snipped anecdotal evidence]
It is not the religion, per se, that is the problem. It is fundamentalists or extremists who claim to be part of the religion that are the problem.
In case you hadn't noticed, the fundamentalist followers of one of the books number so few that they are hardly a rounding error, while the fundamentalist followers of the other book (while still in a minority) comprise a significant percentage of the followers.
Your point that both the books prescribes barbarism is correct, your conclusion that both the religions are practiced in an equally barbaric manner is not.
I'm a minority race. Save your vitriol for white people.
Don't say that loudly in rural Bavaria.
"It's such a fine line between stupid and clever" -- David St. Hubbins, Spinal Tap
Desperate people do desperate things. Iran was a moderate country with "Western" values before the Shaw of Iran forced them to support religious extremists. If you want to eliminate extremists you need to eliminate desperate people. Ensure everyone has food/clothing/shelter/basic healthcare, and eliminate systemic violence and abuse. Do this for everyone on earth and the extremists will fade away.
most rear end collisions by trucks is caused by a truck loosing its breaks.
Well, since the statement was about "religious groups" it is completely true. The numbers from the census in 2011 show 26265880 people with no affiliation, 24869380 roman catholic, and 24552110 members of the evangelical church (a federation of lutheran, calvinist, and protestant churches). Both of the two big christian churches are loosing about 200 000 to 250 000 members per year (e.g. for roman catholics in 2015: 254 260 dead, 181 925 left the church, and 167 226 new members). This is also reflected in current estimates for end of 2015: 23.76e6 catholics, 22.27e6 evangelical church. We will probably hit the prediction for 2040 from your source in the next two years.
Another interesting metric is that only 58% of Germans believe god exists, and strangely enough, only roughly 70% of the members of the catholic and evangelical church believe in god. In any case the two big churches here are utterly fucked and they know it.
Did you try showing them your own hand drawn image of Mohammed? Did you criticize Islam in any way? Did you ask them if violent jihad or suicide bombings against civilians could ever be justified? Did you tell them you are gay or had gay friends?
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If not, then it doesn't mean anything that you say all the muslims you've ever encountered have never attacked or condemned you
Ah, but the religion isn't the problem, yeah sure. Try telling that to Molly Norris. Radicalizing your peaceful, everyday friendly muslims into murderous maniac is so easily, apparently, that we have to censor cartoonists in our own country and make sure armed police are present for any mohammed themed art shows.
To even say that it is just the fundamentalists or extremists that is the problem is to pretend that they appear out of a vacuum, and to completely ignore that it happens almost exclusively with this particular religion. If that isn't disingenuous, I don't know what is.