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Bad Year For Piracy: 2016 Was The Year Torrent Giants Fell (torrentfreak.com)

From a report on TorrentFreak: 2016 has been a memorable year for torrent users but not in a good way. Over a period of just a few months, several of the largest torrent sites vanished from the scene. From KickassTorrents, through Torrentz to What.cd, several torrent giants have left the scene.Another notable website which vanished is TorrentHound. ThePirateBay is back, but is often facing issues. Not long ago, ExtraTorrent noted that it was on the receiving end of several DDoS attacks.

116 comments

  1. 2016~~~ by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I love you 2016.

    1. Re: 2016~~~ by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      While the bit torrents for the files are kinda distributed, these directories are not. We need to create some sort of distribution of the directories. It would change to browsing file lists locally, and peer to per updates. Using a block chain scheme to prevent counterfeit listings. Something like that.

      Who is up to the task?!?

    2. Re: 2016~~~ by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Plenty of AC's will help you.... the problem...? They are all AC's

    3. Re: 2016~~~ by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What I'd like to see is something similar to the bittorrent protocol, except that users are sharing bit slices instead of complete files. That way you're not technically violating copyright laws -- at least until they changed the laws.

      The basic truth still remains regardless of what happened in 2016: You can't stop the signal, Mal. People will share files if they want and nothing is going to completely stop them. Everyone will go back to SneakerNet if they have to.

    4. Re: 2016~~~ by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Bitcoin was done by an AC.

    5. Re: 2016~~~ by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The laws would just change to outlaw "knowingly using a piracy tool" like how anti-circumvention is written. Currently simply using BitTorrent is not enough to implicate someone as sharing files because the files can unshared immediately to reduce visibility to IP address scraping. If the file sharing mechanic switches back to how WinMX and eMule worked, then users would need to keep sharing files indefinitely after the file is complete otherwise files fragment and the ability to find complete files are impossible.

      The entire reason BitTorrent works at all is due to being able to see which torrents are still alive, not being forced to keep them still alive.

      The real thing that needs to change is attitude to how content is produced. If more content was crowd funded (and thus financing disconnected from the production process) then how it was distributed would be irrelevant. Piracy wouldn't be an issue since The target financing would be reached and there would be nobody complaining about financial losses. Sure maybe the content production company will be a little upset when their digital downloads are more widely distributed than the crowdfunding audience, but that means that there Is no reason to fight it.

    6. Re: 2016~~~ by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What I'd like to see is something similar to the bittorrent protocol, except that users are sharing bit slices instead of complete files. That way you're not technically violating copyright laws -- at least until they changed the laws.

      The basic truth still remains regardless of what happened in 2016: You can't stop the signal, Mal. People will share files if they want and nothing is going to completely stop them. Everyone will go back to SneakerNet if they have to.

      They don't care about a few die-hards "sharing" the files. They care about millions of average (idiot) consumers being able to point, click, and download. We've seen the same pattern happen over and over. As long as the communities stay relatively underground, and aren't passing around illegal materials, they can usually stay off the radar. But when they start getting popular and expand to the general public, they start taking heat and eventually get shut down.
      The only thing that will really get a small, private group a lot of heat is if they start trading illegal material (like child porn), or "hot-ticket" items like pre-release screener copies of Movies.

    7. Re: 2016~~~ by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      not being forced to keep them still alive.

      If it's done transparenly and there's a queue with automatic management prioritizing unpopular files, why do you care?
      Much better than dead torrents which have to rely on social hacks such as private trackes.

      unshared immediately to reduce visibility to IP address scraping

      That doesn't mean jack shit, as long as a peer is tied to an IP:port instead of an anonymizing overlay anybody can get the peer list

    8. Re: 2016~~~ by johanw · · Score: 1

      eMule takes already care of that with it'sd KAD search protocol. Decentralized directories already exists, just not (yet) for torrents.

    9. Re: 2016~~~ by Zemran · · Score: 2

      Nothing disappeared, it is just moving to new premises.

      http://uj3wazyk5u4hnvtk.onion/

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      I love stacking my barbecues in the shed at the end of summer - you can't beat a bit of grill on grill action.
    10. Re: 2016~~~ by Zemran · · Score: 1

      Piracy never was an issue. It was a missed opportunity. Just as the music industry screamed foul about Napster while iTunes quietly took their trade away the movie industry will die if it does not start providing the customer with service they want at a fair price. People can and will start making movies outside the studio. Most people are tired of the endless effects and total lack of story or content that the studios churn out and low budget good stories will start arriving in just the same way that the music industry is changing. With more competition the power of the independent will rise and the studios will do all they can to stop it but it will happen.

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    11. Re: 2016~~~ by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I thought Bitcoin was done by a SN?

    12. Re: 2016~~~ by im_thatoneguy · · Score: 1

      People can and will start making movies outside the studio. Most people are tired of the endless effects and total lack of story or content that the studios churn out and low budget good stories will start arriving in just the same way that the music industry is changing.

      A gross misunderstanding of what it takes to produce a film. At its very most basic level a film is a play with a camera and a microphone. Simply producing a play is a tremendous amount of work and pretty expensive. And that ignores the fact that you need talented actors which is harder to manage than you would think... Just go to your local community play.

    13. Re: 2016~~~ by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, it was a JP.

    14. Re: 2016~~~ by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This. They babble all kinds of shit, on every corner of "livelihood" and "protection" and everything in between, but the truth is that they don't give a flying fuck (or do) so long as the normals are under control.

      If they can chase the WWWs to IRCs, suddenly they don't care, they're happy. OTOH when it gets simplified to a phone app getting mentioned on facebook, the lawyers are on speed dial.

    15. Re: 2016~~~ by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Tell that to the people making fan films of Star Trek and Starwars that look as good as the official ones from the 80's and 90's.

  2. And yet... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    .. i still have no problem downloading whatever im looking for.

    1. Re: And yet... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Same here. Amazon is amazing!

    2. Re: And yet... by sims+2 · · Score: 1

      With the exception of playlater (or owning a ios or android device) how can you download movies you've purchased on amazon to watch offline?

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    3. Re:And yet... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Same. I was down for about 2 weeks for Music but really had no issues finding alternative sources...just not in the quality of the site I was at. Never been down for Movies...ever.

    4. Re: And yet... by tepples · · Score: 1

      If you don't already own an Android device, you can always buy an Android device.

    5. Re: And yet... by rwa2 · · Score: 1

      Or just install an android emulator like www.andyroid.net or the bluestacks one if that works for you.

    6. Re: And yet... by tepples · · Score: 1

      I thought Android emulators used AOSP, which lacks Google Play Store and Google Play Services, and that many popular applications were exclusive to Google Play Store and/or dependent on Google Play Services. There is Amazon Appstore, which ships with Fire devices and is available through Unknown sources for other Android devices, both Google Play and AOSP. But I've seen app publishers set a policy on Amazon Appstore to hide an app from non-Fire devices in order to deter emulator use.

    7. Re: And yet... by rwa2 · · Score: 1

      nah, andyroid has AOSP installed... I haven't tried using it for anything that needs graphics acceleration, but it'd probably be able to handle video stuff OK. Worth giving it a shot!

  3. Big names are big targets by jandrese · · Score: 5, Insightful

    This shouldn't really be a surprise. Once you're big enough you have a giant target painted on your back both from the rightsholders and from people with an axe to grind. In the past there was always a steady churn of sites, and I fully expect that to keep happening as the well known sites are attacked and brought down and the vacuum appears again for startups to fill until they themselves get too big.

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    1. Re:Big names are big targets by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The problem is that you're not doing anything to genuinely secure yourselves from attack by the powers that be.
      So you will continually fall as you always have before.
      The whack a mole game is seriously old and done. Just stop it.
      So break free of history and change things up...
      Move yourselves entirely and exclusively onto the darknets.
      NO *corporate* entity has EVER had ANY success WHATSOEVER in bringing down any service or p2p sharing that is run well and entirely within those networks. They are completely immune to DMCA, criminal or civil attacks.
      The networks are secure. You can only fail there if YOU fuck up.
      So move onto them, don't fuck up, and share and communicate freely all you want :)

    2. Re: Big names are big targets by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not so. Silk Road comes to mind along with numerous kiddie porn sites (not bothering finding their names). You still can be busted on Dark Nets. The lack of indexing doesn't stop the FBI ;)

    3. Re:Big names are big targets by jandrese · · Score: 2

      NO *corporate* entity has EVER had ANY success WHATSOEVER in bringing down any service or p2p sharing that is run well and entirely within those networks. They are completely immune to DMCA, criminal or civil attacks.

      No offense, but you are smoking crack. Onion sites get brought down all of the time. The Freedomhosting raid killed like 3/4 of the links on the Hidden Wiki. There are probably more FBI honeypots on TOR than there are "legitimate" kiddie porn sites, and they've had a pretty good run unmasking the users. Even the Silk Road got taken down and the owner thrown in jail. Keeping your site completely anonymous is incredibly difficult, almost as difficult as keeping it running at all on TOR it seems.

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    4. Re: Big names are big targets by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      First there are HUGE public indexes on these nets.
      Anyways...
      Crime markets and child porn are busted because their operators and ESPECIALLY their users FUCKED UP.
      NOT because the networks themselves are flawed.
      Yes, until fill traffic becomes part of these networks, it is possible for the NSA to locate servers.
      But so long as your opsec is good, that doesn't matter.
      And there is no evidence that that has happened yet... just obvious fuckups by ops and users.

      So until that happens, and especially for quite frankly boring torrenters, you are completely safe on these networks.

      It follows a pyramid of severity and number of actors...
      If you're the few creating child porn you should expect the most extreme heat, fucking solar levels of it turned upon you.
      A lot more involving hard non-natural drugs and guns and finfraud next.
      Millions more of all the rest is essentially safe and a non issue.
      In part because end user clients of those nets are a roving target and very hard to find.
      But mostly, because it's not worth the time, and really hard to do.
      And the NSA and FBI are NOT GOING TO RISK THEIR METHODS for such a chump thing as torrenting.
      End of story.

    5. Re:Big names are big targets by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      if you produce child porn by mentally twisting or flat out raping children, you deserve to be hunted and shot. seek help so that you do not do that. including by using darknet forums to talk about your problem if in person help is not available. or expect that outcome.

    6. Re:Big names are big targets by ubrgeek · · Score: 0

      > seek help so that you do not do that.

      Better yet, just go kill yourself.

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    7. Re:Big names are big targets by Zemran · · Score: 2

      Please, the silk road got taken down by complete accident. The guy had a drugs delivery break open in transit and he was raided for that and they found the server by complete accident. It was not their skill but his stupidity. Yes, they can create honeypots, just like you or I could but they cannot track you.

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    8. Re:Big names are big targets by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Source, or are you being sarcastic? Its well known that Carnegie Mellon broke Tor and that they got subpoenaed or paid for the results

  4. Re:Tiniest violin by grahamsaa · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Not all the affected sites were "making money" off of piracy. What.CD had no ads and was funded exclusively by donations. There was never a profit motive.

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  5. What now? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I loved Kickasstorrents. I could get MP4 copies for movies I already owned to watch on my tablet when I traveled. What real options are left out there that won't get you on an NSA/MAFFIA list?

    1. Re:What now? by sims+2 · · Score: 4, Informative

      If you have discs: Handbrake. If you purchased a digital copy: Playlater.

      Just fyi torrents aren't private and Kat is rebuilding at https://katcr.co/new/

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  6. Decentralized Crime by im_thatoneguy · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Piracy has always been a story of decentralization. In fact nearly all crime will inevitably rely on a decentralized process. In order to build a large, powerful organization you can't have a larger, more powerful organization trying stop you.

    We saw this from the beginning. It started with streaming sites and warez sites, but those were trivial to target and eliminate. So people moved on to p2p in order to decentralize the crime. That worked until the law adapted to target the defacto pirates (the application developers). So it moved to even further distributed services: torrents. Without an application developer to pursue the new central authorities which could be attacked were the torrent hosting sites, so the community also developed magnet links to further remove themselves from the process of hosting.

    The inevitable outcome is just that the list of magnet links will also become distributed much like the DNS system.

    1. Re:Decentralized Crime by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      So long as you remain on clearnet, nothing you do or invent there will ever keep you safe or free.
      You must use the darknets now.
      Freedom, privacy, sharing, communication, encrypted, distributed, random, worldwide.
      It awaits you...

    2. Re:Decentralized Crime by UnknownSoldier · · Score: 1

      > In order to build a large, powerful organization you can't have a larger, more powerful organization trying stop you.

      /sarcastic What do you think governments are?

      /me ducks

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      " Government is the Entertainment Division of the military-industrial complex"
        -- Frank Zappa

    3. Re:Decentralized Crime by stephenmac7 · · Score: 1

      Actually, that is the case. The government is a giant monopoly organization (1:34), but it just so happens that they don't have to obey the normal rules of morality.

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      "No man's life, liberty, or property are safe while the legislature is in session." -- Judge Gideon J. Tucker
    4. Re:Decentralized Crime by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      So it moved to even further distributed services: torrents.

      You're wrong, fully decentralized systems (with magnet link support) like ed2k/kad and gnutella alredy existed before bittorent's DHT was a thing, with multiple implementations.
      Bittorrent is a step backwards for decentralization and it only prevailed because it's faster.

    5. Re:Decentralized Crime by Kjella · · Score: 2

      The inevitable outcome is just that the list of magnet links will also become distributed much like the DNS system.

      Doubtful. At some point somebody has to control the index so it doesn't get spammed by bots, you want search/nfo/preview/vote/report/comment features. What I really would like to see though - despite the potential for abuse - is something like an torrent that can be updated. Say you download episode 1x01 of a show, if you "subscribe" to updates the creator can replace it with a 1x01-1x02 torrent, then a 1x01-1x03 torrent and so on without the need to chase down each update. It would probably help seeding and reduce the number of torrents floating around as "megapacks" could be continuously revised and you just pick the bits you want.

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    6. Re: Decentralized Crime by im_thatoneguy · · Score: 1

      Woosh!

    7. Re: Decentralized Crime by im_thatoneguy · · Score: 1

      Every seeder can carry metadata. If you want upvotes etc then you could distribute it through the peers. You could also build a simple trust system where a magnet could be signed with a trusted key. If you like one uploader you could whitelist other content by that uploader. "Only download music uploaded and signed by key XYZ". We already do that for legal content, I would expect the illegal content providers would do the same. With public/private keys as long as a provider keeps their keys safe their uploads, votes, comments etc would be blockable and promotable. Of course people would lose their keys but isn't that what happened to Kickass Torrents under the current system.

    8. Re: Decentralized Crime by Threni · · Score: 1

      You're suggesting there's a need for a solution, the solution would benefit people and make money, and that the solution is technically simple, and yet does not exist. Perhaps you need to examine one of your axioms...or get coding!

  7. Anonymous Overlay Networks - USE THEM :) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Since the MAFIAA will never give up, and your protests via clearnet sharing operations both
    a) do not sway lawmakers minds
    b) fail and fall under MAFIAA pressure

    You really should move all your operations exclusively onto the anonymous overlay networks and never ever touch clearnet again.
    We're talking I2P, Phantom, Tor, GnuNet, OnionCat, Pond, etc... an entire ecosystem of virtually impenetrable encrypted anonymous comms and data sharing channels awaits you. Start searching these names and finding all the new tools that are out there for you to use.
    With at least two of these nets, you can plug your favorite torrent clients directly into them because those nets provide a p2p IPv6 tunnel interface.
    And many clients such as Vuze and Transmission (the best two out there) can also speak the native addressing schemes of these networks.

    The benefit is, by keeping all your sharing traffic entirely within these private netoworks,
    you can share and seed 24x7x365 with complete freedom and impunity. A huge fuck you to the MAFIAA.

    And they're fast enough too... you can easily share and fetch all a normal person could ever use... a lossless DVD-9 VOB rip, a couple lossless FLAC CD rips, a game, some books... PER DAY, more than you can consume.

    And the best part is, that you can volunteer to help these networks and your peers by running nodes on these networks and allocating some of your ISP bandwidth to these nets. Plus, you can run your nodes in private services and relay modes, never ever offering or risking outproxy mode if you don't want. AND, you can set up your own websites, gameservers, shell servers... anything you want... all without ever needing to ask your ISP for AUP policy permission, for FREE from your own home.

    These networks are basically THE PERFECT SHARING network solution, but you all have, for MANY YEARS, refused to see and try that.
    GET YOUR HEADS OUT OF THE SAND, OPEN YOUR EYES, DO NEW THINGS!!!

    Get on the anonymous overlay darknets people.... it's your only hope of survival,
    at least until you organize your efforts therein and come out fighting to take back your rights from the powers that be.

    1. Re:Anonymous Overlay Networks - USE THEM :) by fustakrakich · · Score: 1

      Deep packet inspection will shut all that down. The ISP is the single point of failure we have yet to circumvent.

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      “He’s not deformed, he’s just drunk!”
    2. Re: Anonymous Overlay Networks - USE THEM :) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Interesting. But this would require a mesh of wifi peers. Pretty much only for big cities.

    3. Re:Anonymous Overlay Networks - USE THEM :) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Deep packet inspection only works for some traffic.

    4. Re:Anonymous Overlay Networks - USE THEM :) by fustakrakich · · Score: 2

      The ISP can simply drop packets that don't match whitelisted protocols. 'Darknet' traffic is trivial to block.

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      “He’s not deformed, he’s just drunk!”
    5. Re:Anonymous Overlay Networks - USE THEM :) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No DPI will not affect any single particular use of those networks... such as chat, or web, or torrenting.

      Those nets are fully encrypted end-to-end p2p, ISP's and DPI simply CANNOT SEE WHAT'S GOING ON INSIDE THEM.

      The absolute WORST any ISP/DPI could ever do is block the entire network itself.

      HOWEVER, they will NOT be able to do that because, since those networks are full of everyday legitimate uses such as IRC, web, email, social networks, authors, artists, etc... doing so would be a HUGE FIRST AMENDMENT WORLDWIDE UN DECLARATION OF HUMAN RIGHTS issue.

      ISP/DPI ALREADY shutdown just about every tool on clearnet, expressly because they CAN see what it's for, and all your tools there are for one thing... infringement.

      Yes, authoritarian regimes don't respect free speech and do try to block these networks entirely. So far only about five countries have had any luck with that. And you're not likely to reside in a country that will any time soon. But you do live in a country that let's MAFIAA and surveillance and datamining your ass run free. All of which you can stop by using these nets.

      Last, first world countries are HIGHLY UNLIKELY to shut down these networks because their own GOVERNMENT ACTORS USE THESE NETWORKS. They need these nets too.

      So free your mind Neo, unless your contry goes to complete shit, these nets really are the way to go.

    6. Re:Anonymous Overlay Networks - USE THEM :) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You need to kill off bittorrent before people start moving their lazy asses to something better, especially if it's slower.
      Also the choices are too many, people have been trying to create the next generation encrypted/anonymous file sharing platform for over a decade with no clear results.

    7. Re: Anonymous Overlay Networks - USE THEM :) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      You can easily and cheaply run wifi both short and long range.
      You can easily and cheaply run ethernet or fiber in simple trenches you dig in the dirt between all the neighbors around you with their help once you explain things.
      You can easily and cheaply run OpenVPN tunnels for guerilla networks over the internet to the next urban zone if you're unable to get the help of farmers land for fiber.

      But that's talking guerilla networks, not the already existing anonymous overlay networks as the OP mentioned.

    8. Re:Anonymous Overlay Networks - USE THEM :) by jez9999 · · Score: 2

      You really should move all your operations exclusively onto the anonymous overlay networks and never ever touch clearnet again.

      What would you say about cjdns? It claims to fully encrypt everything and only communicate with trusted peers, and people using it say it is very fast, but it still seems to be quite small and obscure. Does anyone here think it looks like a viable future protocol?

    9. Re:Anonymous Overlay Networks - USE THEM :) by tepples · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Then the ISP will be loaded with complaints when each new online multiplayer game comes out, as its datagrams and/or streams will not "match whitelisted protocols."

    10. Re:Anonymous Overlay Networks - USE THEM :) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Whitelisted protocols like HTTPS?

    11. Re: Anonymous Overlay Networks - USE THEM :) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Pirates just use VPN's. The MPAA and such have no means of knowing who the real users are and thus see files hating endpoint a in places that don't give a fuck. Eg OVH is considered bulletproof and ignores DMCA's. Then the clear net side of things just hide behind cloudflare, who also doesn't give a fuck. At some point Cloudflare will be forced to stop providing services to pirates, and then the ease of finding pirate content will be decimated as sites just vanish in countries with strong IP laws, leaving American pirates having to learn Chinese or Russian to get anything.

    12. Re:Anonymous Overlay Networks - USE THEM :) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      For the purpose of torrenting copyritten materials while remaining free from criminal and civil harassment, both for the functions of uploading and downloading, CJDNS seems reasonably sufficient. In general, it affords more protection than VPN can offer, yet less protection than using stronger overlay networks.
      Every network has weaknesses so you really need to *read and understand* CJDNS, and the other networks, before using them.
      But they are all far better than stupidly firing up Vuze on clearnet or over some stupid VPN that claims to be able to protect you.
      Besides, all of these networks provide a superset of whatever a VPN claims to offer.
      And you don't need to pay cash credit or coin to use them.
      Just run a node as a way to give back and pay it forward and help others.
      So there is absolutely no reason not to use networks such as these.
      Take charge of your own protection and interests.
      Read, learn, experiment, deploy, share, enjoy :)

    13. Re:Anonymous Overlay Networks - USE THEM :) by zedaroca · · Score: 1

      Legalization is the other way to survive. Create more pirate parties, then proceed to vote pirate.
      A lot of gay people and marijuana users were prosecuted before it becoming legal. Keeping it on the clearnet and sharing despite the law, in massive quantities and every type of media will enshrine the practice. People being prosecuted for doing something common and moral will eventually grow enough outrage that it will stop.
      The first step, besides sharing, is to stop the sharing = stealing narrative.

    14. Re:Anonymous Overlay Networks - USE THEM :) by CRCulver · · Score: 1

      Niche-interest parties like the Pirate Party only work in countries where larger parties need to form parliamentary coalitions to govern, and perhaps don't have first-past-the-post voting. Torrent sites, however, are being shut down by the big muscle of the US, which has an inviolable two-party system and voting third-party isn't an effective way of changing things.

    15. Re:Anonymous Overlay Networks - USE THEM :) by CRCulver · · Score: 1

      And they're fast enough too... you can easily share and fetch all a normal person could ever use... a lossless DVD-9 VOB rip...

      I mainly torrent lossless Bluray images, which can get up to 30GB a pop... and that's with the current standard of quality. 4K film releases are around the corner, and so file sizes will only increase. I'm not sure that hidden services are prepared for the next level of video.

    16. Re:Anonymous Overlay Networks - USE THEM :) by fustakrakich · · Score: 1

      In the shared monopolies/duopolies who's going to listen to any complaints? Especially now that the government will soon be more inclined to protect the ISP's interests? Until people actually vote for people with consumer interest in mind who will write laws with teeth, the problem is only going to get much worse. Meanwhile their 'complaints' will go straight to /dev/null. Each new online multiplayer game writer will have to buy a license to get on the whitelist, and most of them will comply. They might grumble about it to the tabloid press, but they will comply. The desire for money will prevail over all else. This is just too easy. The 'darknet' will go dark with the flip of a switch, snip of the wire cutters, or the drop of an anchor, whichever is most convenient. The only way out is circumvention of the ISP by whatever means possible. Only then can the internet become truly P2P.

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      “He’s not deformed, he’s just drunk!”
    17. Re:Anonymous Overlay Networks - USE THEM :) by fustakrakich · · Score: 1

      these nets really are the way to go.

      Yes, they work for now because only a tiny part of the traffic travels over them. As soon as they become even close to ubiquitous, the party's over.

      --
      “He’s not deformed, he’s just drunk!”
    18. Re:Anonymous Overlay Networks - USE THEM :) by zedaroca · · Score: 1

      Would mod insightful. I'm from one of those countries, that's why the (somewhat wrong) reasoning about pirate parties. I guess that leaves the responsibility of creating and voting pirate to the other countries, to avoid the trade agreements that the US uses to push censorship and criminalization of sharing. For the US people tough, as bad as it is, I can only hope that things get worst to the point were marijuana got, so that it is legalized too.

    19. Re:Anonymous Overlay Networks - USE THEM :) by PrimaryConsult · · Score: 1

      I'd agree with you except speed limits are still set too low in most of the country (for limited access highways), despite everyone mentally adding 9 to all of them when they set their CC...

    20. Re: Anonymous Overlay Networks - USE THEM :) by im_thatoneguy · · Score: 1

      Or instead of running fiber through town you could just spend $5 a month for a legit streaming service...

    21. Re: Anonymous Overlay Networks - USE THEM :) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Low speed limits are nice while stoned.

    22. Re:Anonymous Overlay Networks - USE THEM :) by tepples · · Score: 1

      Which home ISPs with a substantial user base have already implemented a protocol whitelisting policy like this?

    23. Re:Anonymous Overlay Networks - USE THEM :) by fustakrakich · · Score: 1

      The 'darknet' issue isn't big enough for them to care at this moment. When the order comes down it will be done. We should be ready for it. Bypassing the ISP is critical to that purpose

      --
      “He’s not deformed, he’s just drunk!”
    24. Re:Anonymous Overlay Networks - USE THEM :) by tepples · · Score: 1

      Man in the middle has been used in the wild for seven years. I've already run into public Wi-Fi hotspots that attempt to MITM the TLS connections of their users, even if only to redirect all users to the TOS page. It wouldn't be too much of a step for an ISP to require subscribers to install the ISP's root certificate so that the ISP can MITM everything.

  8. #1 pirate site YouTube is still up by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Not only can I download music there for free, the creators upload their music! It's great!

    1. Re:#1 pirate site YouTube is still up by Opportunist · · Score: 2

      If the creators offer it to you, it ain't piracy.

      Unless of course some giant TV network used his song without licensing it and YouTube's ass backwards automated content watchdog finds out that the same sound bite is used by some no-name artist and Big-Ass-Network, thinks that the BAN has to be the rights holder because it's BAN and the other one is no-name-artist, and suddenly the creator gets a YouTube strike for putting his own creation up on YouTube...

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    2. Re:#1 pirate site YouTube is still up by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If the creators offer it to you, it ain't piracy.

      The creator of a work is not necessarily the rights holder.

    3. Re:#1 pirate site YouTube is still up by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      The creators are offering it to you to stream with their ads. But there are only a billion different tools to extract the mp3 from the video.

      YouTube is, by far, the largest pirate site. You can get pretty much any music file ever on there to download. They also have a ton of TV shows/movies you can download off there as well.

    4. Re:#1 pirate site YouTube is still up by Rakarra · · Score: 1

      The creator of a work is not necessarily the rights holder.

      If the creator and rights holder is fighting with each other over how to distribute music, the rights holders have far bigger problems than, and won't care about, people downloading the music from the creators.

  9. Whack-a-mole continues by Opportunist · · Score: 4, Funny

    I think it's time we get trackers for trackers to find out what is the latest replacement for a tracker that was just shot down by the content industry.

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    1. Re:Whack-a-mole continues by AmiMoJo · · Score: 2

      Just use Google/Duck Duck Go to search for what you want plus "magnet" or "torrent".

      The Pirate Bay seems pretty reliable for me. VPN to block ISP/music industry interference.

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    2. Re:Whack-a-mole continues by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yo dawg!

    3. Re:Whack-a-mole continues by rrohbeck · · Score: 1

      I like unblocked.uno.

  10. This is great news! by wardrich86 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    The tried to shut down Napster (media-only) and we got Gnutella (allowing us to share ANYTHING). Then they shut down all the major Gnutella apps and we got Torrents. I'm excited to see what the next thing is that we'll get - it gets better with every iteration.

    1. Re:This is great news! by bmo · · Score: 2

      The next iteration is darknets, encrypted end-to-end file sharing, completely under whatever radar they can come up with. I've been farting around with ZeroNet lately and it seems pretty good. And if all of it shuts down, we'll just go back to the ol' "hard drive fulla goodies" passed around like we did back when half of the people who had Internet access had dialup. Good luck tracking that.

      Princess Leia Organa: The more you tighten your grip, Tarkin, the more star systems will slip through your fingers.

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      BMO

    2. Re:This is great news! by AmazingRuss · · Score: 1

      Especially the malware! Malware has come SO far since limewire. It's like we get free software with our stolen software!

    3. Re:This is great news! by Luthair · · Score: 2

      It even encrypts your data so you don't have to.

    4. Re:This is great news! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Then they shut down all the major Gnutella apps and we got Torrents. I'm excited to see what the next thing is that we'll get - it gets better with every iteration.

      I wouldn't hold my hopes up, most of the news around bittorrent on the last years has been on making access more convenient (popcorntime, webtorrent) under the assumption that the underlying protocol will remain the same.

      The tracker shutdown wack-a-mole seems to go on forever

    5. Re:This is great news! by 0100010001010011 · · Score: 4, Funny

      They shutdown torrents and we get Usenet! I love progress.

    6. Re:This is great news! by GuB-42 · · Score: 1

      In Japan, there is "Perfect Dark". An darknet style filesharing software.
      It is commonly used for sharing anime, in a country that isn't very kind with pirates (it is ninja-land after all).

    7. Re:This is great news! by MercTech · · Score: 1

      "They shutdown torrents and we get Usenet! I love progress." ... gotta be humor
          As usenet pre-dates even arpanet and tcp/ip; yeah gotta be progress. Yep, usenet is still out there.

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      NRRPT/RCT
  11. Re:Tiniest violin by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I would agree with you if all torrent sites offered were just stupid Hollywood blockbusters, mindless entertainment, but they also offer things that everyone needs to watch to be an educated person. I am from Eastern Europe, where middle-class salaries are around $500/month and we also don't have real public libraries like you do in the West. For me to buy the several hundred films in the cultural canon on Bluray or DVD, it would take me years and so much money that I also wouldn't have anything left over for purchasing culturally important recordings or books. Torrent sites are just as important as Sci-Hub in bringing important information to the average person who doesn't enjoy a huge salary or well-stocked library.

  12. Bad year for privacy also by fustakrakich · · Score: 1

    We have to circumvent the ISP to fix the problem.

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  13. Bad year for piracy? by Wowsers · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Or the title should read "Good year for the copyright cartel after buying off more politicians and judges with brown envelopes".

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    Take Nobody's Word For It.
    1. Re:Bad year for piracy? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They don't use brown envelopes, they use campaign contributions.

      Please keep up.

    2. Re:Bad year for piracy? by tepples · · Score: 1

      The brown envelope encloses the checks payable to the candidate's campaign and the IEOPAC(s) supporting him.

  14. News of their demise is greatly exagerated by Ikonoclasm · · Score: 4, Informative

    As of two weeks ago, KAT is back on the scene.

    https://torrentfreak.com/kicka...

    1. Re:News of their demise is greatly exagerated by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      torrentz2 exists also.

    2. Re:News of their demise is greatly exagerated by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And in two weeks months or years they will be taken down again.
      The only way to resist and win is to shove it in their face for the next 20 years by using anonymous overlay networks.

  15. Re: Finding torrents by hackwrench · · Score: 1

    Shareaza will return torrent files on people's hard drives. I think they will also find files that are on people's hard drives that happen to match the torrent using the other protocols they support, but I am less certain of that, but it wouldn't be that hard to do.

  16. Big-Ass Network violates YouTube TOS by tepples · · Score: 2

    If Big-Ass Network used no-name artist's work without an exclusive license, then BAN is obligated to scrub no-name artist's work from the reference material uploaded to the video host's fingerprinting service. Otherwise, BAN is violating the video host's TOS, and no-name artist has grounds to sue BAN for slander of title.

    On the other hand, if BAN's work came first and no-name artist was subconsciously "inspired" by a BAN work, then no-name artist can be held liable because copyright is strict liability. How can this be avoided?

  17. Kazaa/gnutella as the future? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    I'm curious, will the magnet links ever shift to a platform such as kazaa or gnutella? Where instead of uploading files, just the magnet links get distributed?

    1. Re:Kazaa/gnutella as the future? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      No, the only bittorrent client with distributed search engine is Tribler, unless other clients start implementing it there isn't much chance of that happening.

  18. I2P by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's not 'invisible' in the sense that they can't tell your connected, but it is end to end encrypted, has support for a half dozen tunnel types, and the C++ verison i2pd currently has support for UDP tunnels (allowing videogames that only need a single host/udp port to be played over it right now, with future plans for an rfc to push for inclusion in the 'official' java i2p router.) Furthermore if you are running Vuze, there is already a plugin for both i2p and tor hidden service peering so you can either do all your torrenting via the darknet, or help peer clearnet torrents into the darknet for people running darknet only torrent clients.

    Combine I2P, Vuze, and Retroshare over I2P and almost every usecase is covered.

  19. Re:Tiniest violin by Computershack · · Score: 1

    For me to buy the several hundred films in the cultural canon on Bluray or DVD, it would take me years and so much money that I also wouldn't have anything left over for purchasing culturally important recordings or books. Torrent sites are just as important as Sci-Hub in bringing important information to the average person who doesn't enjoy a huge salary or well-stocked library.

    No excuse. VPN and Netflix/Spotify. At least you're paying for it.

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  20. Yes by Patent+Lover · · Score: 4, Funny

    Thank God that Piratebay thing is gone.

  21. Re:Tiniest violin by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    No excuse. VPN and Netflix/Spotify. At least you're paying for it.

    Netflix has a much poorer selection of important films in the canon than torrent sites, so you cannot get a complete education from Netflix, and in any event for my country's economy Netflix is not significantly cheaper than the physical media that we cannot avoid in large amounts. Spotify is getting a bit better in terms of historically important recordings, but the absence of the ECM label, poor metadata (which makes it hard to find classical recordings), and lossy encoding makes torrent sites still the place to hear music.

  22. Re:Tiniest violin by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Sorry, that should be "that we cannot afford in large amounts".

  23. Re:Tiniest violin by asdfman2000 · · Score: 1

    Netflix blocks VPNs.

  24. Re:Tiniest violin by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If you're in eastern europe, "paying for it" is not even an option much of the time, because distributors often don't make the content available for purchase in certain regions. Besides that, using a VPN also violates most services's terms and conditions, not to mention that many streaming services aren't even available for subscription in some regions. I won't even go into putting ads and tracking into paid-for services.

    I say follow the entertainment industry's own example and do whatever you can get away with. They will gauge you at every opportunity, call you (their costumer) a thief routinely, issue bogus takedown requests, engage in criminal creative accounting to rip off artists and evade taxes, track you and sell your private information to advertisers without your consent, among other crap. Pirate to your heart's content. Boo-hoo. Cry me a river.

  25. Re:Tiniest violin by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Why is parent modded +4 and GP modded down to -1?

    This site is intellectually dishonest, a herd of basement dwelling social misfits who have no intention of allowing an honest debate.

  26. Don't by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    call it piracy, it's sharing

  27. Re:Tiniest violin by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    whoosh, wealthy US ignorance

  28. Re:Tiniest violin by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Funny how pirates always see "I can't afford it" as an actual JUSTIFICATION for stealing...as if the price of something determines whether or not it's morally acceptable for a poor bum to steal it instead of pay for it.

    I'd maybe have more sympathy for that if you were stealing food, to survive, but no...you're arguing the movies and shows you pirate (educational ones I'm sure) are "important information" for the "average person," therefore you're well within your right to steal. In fact, it helps you to afford "culturally important recordings or books" on occasion!

    FUCK. YOU. LIAR. You do NOT pirate movies and TV shows out of some ingrained desire to preserve the culture of your ancestors, you're a god damned bullshitter of the highest order to even TRY that argument. The reason you do it is that you either a) feel like "Western" companies deserve to be screwed out of their money anyway or b) you really are blisteringly poor and you've somehow managed to rationalize ANY petty theft through the most laughable justifications possible.

    Yes, you're from "Eastern Europe" where there are no such things as "real public libraries," get fucked you lying sack of bullshit. It doesn't take a "huge salary" to afford a movie every now and then, you don't have an excuse. You're just cheap. Cheap and delusional.

  29. Re:Tiniest violin by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    makes an effort to*

    Not saying it's insignificant. They have to successfully block enough to meet lip service.

  30. Re:Tiniest violin by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    >theft
    >stealing

    lol.

    Use GP's violin to play Happy Birthday. If you're worried about stealing from someone who's been six feet under for a hundred years, relax, it became public domain in freak accident of rationality caused by "parasites" with more evidence than Their Kind are supposed to have.

  31. Re:Tiniest violin by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Except that you're being intellectually dishonest yourself. Pirating media isn't stealing. You aren't denying anyone the use of their property. If I stole Rogue One, you wouldn't be able to watch it. It's not theft, it's copyright infringement, the meaning of or existence of may or may not exist in the jurisdiction of the "piracy".

    It may be illegal (depending on location), but it certainly isn't theft.