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Germany Considers Fining Facebook $522,000 Per Fake News Item (heatst.com)
"The government of Germany is considering imposing a legal regime that would allow fining social networks such as Facebook up to 500,000 euros ($522,000) for each day the platform leaves a 'fake news' story up without deleting it," according to a story shared by schwit1. PC Magazine has more details:
The law would reportedly apply to other social networks as well. "If after the relevant checks Facebook does not immediately, within 24 hours, delete the offending post then [it] must reckon with severe penalties of up to 500,000 euros," Germany's parliamentary chief of the Social Democrat party Thomas Oppermann said in an interview with Germany's Der Spiegel magazine, according to a report from Heat Street. Under the law, "official and private complainants" would be able to flag news on Facebook as fake, Heat Street reported. Facebook and other affected social networks would have to create "in-country offices focused on responding to takedown demands," the report says. The bill, slated for consideration next year, is said to have bipartisan support.
According to the article, "Lawmakers in the country are reportedly hoping it will prevent Russia from interfering in Germany's elections next year."
Ruskies ain't interfering in nuttin. This is a fake news story, put up by russian hackers Greasebear and wholahoop. But they don't exist. There will be a porn made in the Whitehouse. I blame Obama and the DNC
Fake news!
Also, failing to report accurately is lying by omission and the German authorities and news media are guilty. Why don't the German government start by fining themselves?
...those old Nasi - Stasi habits die hard.
Is Hillary! running in Germany?
Yes. But there, they call her Angela Merkel and they make her wear Harry Reid's "droopy dog" jowls.
Fake news is anything you don't like that you wish to ridicule.
Tell me, what was pizzagate if not fake news?
It's interesting, but you will do better to assume that any "news" item you read on Facebook is just a lie.
But how would you get rid of the problem? Facebook is up against the same problem that took down Usenet - the tragedy of the commons. NPR and BBC are treated with the same weight as Joe Blow cranking out crap and conspiracies just for the lulz in his basement.
I wouldn't be surprised if readership is falling. After I had to open a FB account last year, it looked interesting for about a week, then it became an annoyance, now it seems to be troll land.
And as quickly as fake news is deleted, new ones will pop up, and will make note of being deleted, which will feed into conspiracies.
The future does not look so bright for Facebook as they will probably suffer the same fate as usenet.
The shepherds did so well protecting the flock that the sheep no longer believed that wolves existed.
As noted by Glenn Greenwald, WaPo posted fake news last week
Hillary Clinton-fake, Donald Drumpf-fake, or Moon landing-fake?
Anything that makes Merkel and her disasterous policies look bad. Will facebook remove the reports of NYE sexual assaults too as fake news?
Most of the people whining about this seem to have no idea that the "fake news" they know about is only a fraction of the problem.
What's really funny is that about 90% of the things they like would fall under this umbrella, including a lot of content from the "real" media.
The "Russians Hacked the Election" story, for example...
The actual story is "the Russians hacked a couple of people at the Democratic Party (maybe) and embarrassed the hell out of them" - but the way it's being told, most of the Democrats you meet think there was actual nationwide vote tampering by Russian hacking. So far, the only vote tampering found was in Detroit, and it was done by hand, not by computer. Not to mention who won overwhelmingly in those precincts...
Of course this sort of jurisdiction could never be misused, or used as a political weapon to silence the opposition. True and fake being the binary value it is, this seems completely harmless, and totally healthy to me. A simple, elegant, final solution.
Why is Facebook the issue?
Yesterday, Washington Post ran a story that the Russians hacked our power grid. What happened was a laptop, not connected to the grid, owned by the power company had malware on it. It wasn't even a valid news event, but they reported the Russians did it. Fake News.
NYT a couple days after the election reported Trump had poisoned Meghan Kelly before the first debate. Their source was Mrs. Kelly. Every other news outlet rushed to her to get details and she said that never happened. Fake News.
So you have "real" news outlets literally making up fake news stories worse than you could find on Facebook, but you seem to only be worried about Facebook. The whole "fake news" thing came about because the NYT should be able to run any story they want without being questioned, but no one else should be allowed to run a story they don't want run. You even had CNN reporting that it was illegal for US citizens to read Wikileaks, and anything important in them CNN would let you know about.
Fake News isn't about Fake News. Fake News is about the news outlets no longer being able to lie and bury stories that go against their editorial narrative. They lost complete control and this is their attempt to take it back. Its just like when the MPAA tried to make recording DVDs illegal.
Check out the history of posts linking to heatst.com on Reddit. It's a 100% fucking clickbait site, and Slashdot got punked.
Slashdot fucked up. Delete this shit.
All the while we're calling out to China for their censorship practices. It seems the western parts of this world are not all that much better, doesn't it?
for 1 million dollars per day of each war.
And they signed my report card, wrote my permission slip to go on the field trip, and doctor's note when I wanted to stay home. I mean, really! The Russians are fantastic! They invented the telephone, the light bulb, and the airplane. They made the British Navy the most powerful in the world. Oh wait, that was Spain. Is Franco still dead? Or did the Russians revive him too?
“He’s not deformed, he’s just drunk!”
Does it include the big media news sources that takes something that is a rumor and runs with it?
Does it include the omission of fact? When it is not a lie, but it is also not the entire story but they omit something because it doesn't not fit their narrative?
Or is it just those stories that shows the government doing a piss poor job of running the country?
Because on /.'s last century platform we can't post a €500,000.
Oh look, € actually works. Most other stuff doesn't though.
Sure the Germans can determine that some news stories are "fake" and they can tell FB to remove them (or links to them I guess) from their site and they could technically do that I guess.
Are ze Germans going to meticulously examine every website to see if they should be deleted or will they take a heavy-handed approach and just ban almost everything that aren't from approved sources?
If they're going to carefully consider each case, anyone could set up a dozen websites while they're trying to figure out if one of them in particular is "fake".
Not to mention the issue of censoring opposing viewpoints. I'm amazed at some of the things people call "fake" now. It has quickly become the first defense of people who wish to deny reality.
This post is totally fake!
And I'll admit to being pretty ignorant about Germany's laws, but do they have anything resembling the First Amendment in the US? I know you can't go around promoting Nazis which you could do in the US, but I'm not sure where exactly they draw the line.
I mean surely, Germany believes in free speech, right?
Redefreiheit? (I don't speak German - for all I know the website that told me that means "Freedom of Speech" in German was fake).
Of a non-story completely misunderstood by the people reporting on it. It's basically fake news.
So how much is owed to Facebook (or whoever) each time someone misuses this to take down something they don't like? How about €500,000 per incident?
Wait, doesn't Germany have more than two parties? Are we really supposed to take this 'article' seriously? Really, requiring Facebook to set up offices? What happens if they don't? Are the Germans going to start lobbing artillery, again? Let me find my low sodium salt pills...
“He’s not deformed, he’s just drunk!”
What does "bipartisan support" mean in a system with 7 (*) parties governing the various legislative organs and a federal government of a coalition of 3 parties?
Do the US American journalists have no vocabulary to describe the reality outside of their country?
(*) I hope I haven't missed any party.
Fake News (blacklist this shit except for stories linked from Drudge Report):
-CNN
-MSNBC
-NBC
-ABC
-NPR
-PBS
-New York Times
-Washington Post
-Huffington Post
Check but, Verify (be careful with these):
-CBS
-Infowars (Alex Jones
-BBC
Real News (good places to get your news):
-Fox News
-Daily Mail
-Brietbart
-Drudge Report
the Fake News spread because Facebook fired their Editorial dept to save money and replaced them with a cheap an weak algorithm. The fines would be a good way to force them back I suppose. That said something like this could be abused. At least in the States we don't make reporters reveal sources, so it'd be hard to prove 'fake' news. OTOH having foreign governments spreading propaganda and misinformation in your country is enough of a national security question that you can't just throw up your hands and do nothing.
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FaceBork is not a soverign nation unlike Germany.
So good luck with that FB. Try anything and you will be blocked in the whole EU.
Hmmm.
Perhaps that is not such a bad idea after all. Go on Zuck, try to destroy Germany on the internet. I dare you.
You are not bigger than a country.
While Trump and some of his followers will continue to ignore or question the Russian hacking, it wasn't behind the majority of fake news, and really only exposed people's emails which while hurting HRC a bit probably did not cause her to lose the election.
That said fake news is a problem, but I have a hard time blaming Facebook or the Russians, who probably participated, for all the bloggers, and journalist who just don't bother to do their job to validate their stories, or who knowingly publish lies, or even who are being misled by people of authority. Take Harry Ried last election, he knowingly lied about Romney, when called on it, his answer was he would do it again, his candidate won, he was a US senator who saw no punishment. So would you go after Facebook for then linking to an article about his lies on CNN what is often considered a trusted news site.
Creating fines is a bad way of policing the news, it sets up the government somewhat as the truth police, which could have worse consequences than the fake news. Who decides what is fake? How much of a story has to be true? For example take a debate, while often times most of it will be correct their are often numbers misreported, does this mean you remove links to the debate because now due to minor mistakes, be considered fake news?
...now that Obama gave up the last bit of control we had of the internet censorship is imminent! Stupid asshat! I can't wait till he is out of office!
The point is that a web site should take down "false news" when notified about the false news.
So what again is your problem?
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Does this mean we will not be seeing any more stories with a religious basis?
Since
could also be interpreted as a faked news by some at that time: http://www.luther.de/en/95thes...
Nevertheless, Luther nailed his Ninety-five Theses to the door of All Saints' Church in Wittenberg, Germany, on 31 October 1517. And it changed the world.
.. and finally we'll have a fully accurate state-approved list of items to read.
And cat videos.
It's not fake news, it's just the death of any media outlet that game a damn about checking facts, as well as the death of people who cared to go out of their way for a media outlet that did so. There used to be a thing called journalistic integrity but it comes at a cost and no one wants to pay. The biggest problem is, it was doing a lot to hold back the days of Idiocracy. Sadly, those days are now well upon us.
Laws are rules for the court, but merely a bottom bar to hit for life. Think beyond laws in your actions always.
Interesting interview with a couple of them here. “The reason I’m hired is to make simple people change their mind about their vote and also about Russia,” the woman said. She later added that she identifies herself as an American housewife from Nebraska while online, and not as a Russian.
Instead of punishing Facebook for doing their job, maybe they should fine users that post/like/share fake news? At least that would have a minute chance of retraining users not to partake in such foolishness, i.e. could actually work. To be clear, for anyone who couldn't read my sarcasm, I don't actually believe that Facebook or users should be fined in this manner. Choosing to fine Facebook first shows radical disregard for the real problem; It's not that Facebook gives such things a platform, it's that people who don't know or care whether a story is verifyably genuine bring stories to the platform (a lot faster than Facebook could hope to police, too). If journalists did that pre-internet, most of them wouldn't be journalists for very long. Nowadays, it's easy for people who don't operate with such scrutiny or rigor to just blast nonesense to viral media, and they have some residual credibility to boot (this post clearly came from Bob, who you've met before, so he must believe it). What we need is a way to give less credibility to viral fake news, or for people to have a little more reverence for the power they have when they post to social media. Maybe, when people pay as little attention to unreliable, "news," on the internet as supermarlet tabloids, or people who read such things think twice about sharing them, fake news won't be relevant anymore.
> What does "bipartisan support" mean in a system with 7 parties
It's supported by the bi party, the party of bi people, of course.
> Eo the US American journalists have no vocabulary to describe the reality outside of their country?
This reminds me of the story last week about the federal government of France. Huh? Federalism in France? For a fraction of a second I thought you made the same mistake when you mentioned the federal government of Germany, but then I realized Germany is in fact a federation, federal is the proper term.
> (*) I hope I haven't missed any party.
I hope you didn't miss last night's party, it was rockin.
Why? It's just the internet.
If you use the internet for anything serious, you're a fool.
You sound like a bunch of nazis!
They are no obligated to do anything. "fake news" today, "undesirable news" tomorow...
These fucking social media sites want your personal info so they can sell it and offer you fake shit in return. Good on you Germany
wait - seriously? you think european countries have free speech, especially germany?!
the EU does not have free speech. in fact, most countries Pride themselves in not having free speech. Places like UK will throw you in jail for cartoons of naked underage girls. France will arrest you for being racist - not nazi-related. Germany? They are nazis in the initial stages. They have as much freedom and lack of opression in that country as North Korea is the democratic republic.
Germany is a very poor dirty shithole, where people are oppressed and support it. it's like china, etc. full on ends justifies the means, full on abuse of power, and full on propaganda. Right now, that control is being used for good. step 2: redefine what "good" means.
well, actually, step 2 in this case is clearly redefine what "fake" means. censoring people's comments on a public forum in a manner defined by the politicians. That is indeed going around promoting Nazis. They just... Redefined "Nazis".
and trump didnt get elected.
...shit Alex Jones would doubt
There is not likely to be any conspiracy that Jones would doubt. In fact, he was one of the main promoters of the fabricated conspiracy.
How can a country sue a civilian company with profiles that are voluntarily made, if not bots? You can just not use Facebook. The world will still spin for Christ sake.
That there IS a load of bollocks treated as "real news" when nobody even vaguely sane would take it as true, UNLESS THEY HAD BEEN SENSITISED TO IT. Alex Jones and Glenn Beck both are poster boys for winding people up and turning off their reason to ply bullshit on people.
Pizzagate IS REAL FAKE NEWS. When some retard snarks "Fakenews!", they refuse to accept that Pizzagate happened. Your reply does nothing other thansay "Yes" without actually admitting it.
The other moron tries to make out that it was "simply a lunatic with a firearm", but that lunatic wasn't making the story up themselves. FAKE NEWS MADE HIM GO THERE.
"Lawmakers in the country are reportedly hoping it will prevent Russia from interfering in Germany's elections next year."
Lol, good luck with that.
Russia doesn't give a shit if German newspapers get fined and the newspapers don't have the staff, time, or inclination to check every story.
Just cruising through this digital world at 33 1/3 rpm...
When the Government gets in the business of deciding what citizens can and can't see, you are in trouble.
Already around the 'Free World' we have governments regulating what can and cannot be said in jokes. People have been punished for singing karaoke for the song 'Kung Fu Fighting'.
You want to know how we get to Orwellian '1984' style situation? slowly and gradually so most people don't even notice, and a lot of people actual defend this Government totalitarianism (which is a system that polices thought via speech). The words 'hate speech' are used as a camouflage by those with Orwellian impulses to silence anyone, and any idea no matter if it is true, they don't like.
Refuse to elect anyone who is against your 'dangerous' Free Speech !
Facebook and other affected social networks would have to create "in-country offices focused on responding to takedown demands," the report says.
Orwell only got the timeframe wrong, and the fact that it'll be a public-private partnership instead of purely governmental.
Articles should have scores on at least two dimensions: reliability and popularity. Popularity can be captured by something like "likes," but reliability should be determined in a different way. Coming from a major news source like the Washington Post or the New York Times should give an initial leg up on reliability (say start at sixty percent if from them), but not more than that unless it's a piece they specially flag as a significant product of investigative reporting. Most stuff that most reputable sources produce is interesting and somewhat accurate, but not written by experts. Consequently it tends to be a bit wrong.
Real lawyers write in C++
Hi
I have seen Fake News since the days of the Soviet Union vs America.
Question:
Will Germany, European Union, UK, also punish Magazines and News papers for Fake News?
Will Americans be able to sell their News Paper and Magazine in Europe after the new law of getting rid of fake news?
http://www.latimes.com/projects/la-na-pol-us-election-results-by-county/static/margin.png
Idiot.
If you're alleged a child rapist, the charge is "child rape".
Funny how short your attention span is, because it's not like the news that the second world war ended is hidden from anyone who has heard of the concentration camps. And you DO know that there are those who refuse to believe they ever existed, right? Which is why germany makes denying the holocaust illegal.
Critical thinking would expose their own corruption. So they want to defend against the corruption of others, while keeping theirs. And that, friends and enemies, is the main reason why we still have so much bullshit around. Don't just pay attention to what people say, pay attention to what they NEVER say, or at best pay shallow lip service to, with no life and no love in it.
Anything can be labelled 'fake news'. This move is worthy of Dr Goebbels, as it suppresses all alternative viewpoints
" it will prevent Russia from interfering in Germany's elections next year." Fat chance staying in power, Queen Merkel!
The "Russia hacked the U.S. election" headline, in contrast with "some Russians hacked the DNC and we don't know who leaked to Wikileaks", is the biggest case of fake news out there and almost no one is talking about it. Because of this type of deceitful headline half of Clinton's voters believe that the Russian government hacked the vote tallies, even tough there is no indication of that and no officials are actually claiming.
Funny that german lawmakers moved against 'news', while Facebook and Twitter are on the record refusing to take down neo-nazi and islamist posts on request from law enforcement
Who decides what's 'fake' news? The ministry of truth?
In the days before social media, we simply called this "gossip" rather than "fake news". The problem isn't Facebook, or Google, or the New York Times, or BBC, or any of the other organizations people seem all too eager to blame.
The problem is us. People have this bad tendency to give too much credibility to unconfirmed information sources. Especially if what that source is telling us is something we want to believe is true (which is why the left is eating up all the fake news about Russia hacking the election, while the right is eating up all the fake news about illegal immigrants voting in the election). All newspapers and later the Internet and social media do is give more leverage for a single person or organization to spread their gossip to more people.
For that reason, fining Facebook or shutting down news organizations isn't the solution. All that does is hide the problem. The gossip still gets spread, albeit less effectively, by word of mouth (or by email/text today). To address the problem, you have to train people to be cautiously critical about stories that they hear or see, whether it's from a friend of a friend, from a social media site, or on the TV news. Unfortunately, it's suicidal for a democratic government to point the finger of blame at the voters who elected it into power. So they create bogeymen out of easy targets like Facebook and blame them for the problem.
There is plenty to criticize Germany for. But calling it 'poor and dirty' just shows you have never been there.
I suggest 'rules crazy' and 'obsessed with the opinions of others, like lifelong middle schoolers' to describe the Germans.
John McAfee 'It was like that time I hired that Bangkok prostitute; to do my taxes, while I fucked my accountant'
If you know anything at all about DMCA takedowns, you know they're abused. If you know anything about history, you know governments consistently abuse any power given to them. If you can't see how giving the government the power to automatically delete any story it doesn't like will inevitably be abused, you're as naive as they come.
Socialism: a lie told by totalitarians and believed by fools.
If this holds up it's going to be a huge mess, especially for fox and beitbart.
Someone needs to tell these fools that "liking" or "following" a story doesn't mean you believe it. Hell, I "liked" and "followed" Blade Runner and Aliens but I don't think either is a documentary.
Sure, there are suckers out there who might be believing some of the garbage that their friends share. But, mostly, this story is just about excuses Democrats and their sympathizers are making right now so they don't have to face why they're losing elections.
The government office of News Verification and Purity has determined that your publication, The Washington Post, is responsible for the fake news article entitled "5 Held in Plot to Bug Democrats' Office Here" is false to fact and an irresponsible use of the public trust. You are herein DIRECTED and ORDERED to remove said post and issue a retraction within 24 hours or face fines and criminal penalties.
Your immediate compliance is required as a matter of law.
Regards,
Richard M. Nixon
All sarcasm and flights of fancy aside, some cures are indeed worse than the disease, or at least carry risks of their own. This isn't to say that I wouldn't have liked to see some consequence for Mr. Trump for the constant use of the phrase "Crooked Hillery" (How many times was she investigated and never even charged with a crime?) and his characterizations of many, many others. The proper response to my mind would have been for voters to see through his waiving of the bloody shirt and throwing of dead cats on the table and simply voted for a worthy candidate. Unfortunately, 2016 saw a year where there was no worthy candidates, only those less evil, and a perfect storm of voters too stupid, too lazy, too full of hate, too misinformed, or too hypnotized to see through it. During world war II, the English (indeed, most of the rest of the world) had a saying: "You can count on the Americans to do the right thing; after they have tried everything else first."
I'm not saying fake news isn't a problem because it is. To my mind the best fix for that is a voter that is less inclined to hear what he wants to hear while disregarding any thing they don't want to hear.
That, and a billion dollars. I'm as like to get one as the other.
Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves.
the ghost of hitler approves of this move.
Sad day for April Fool's jokes.
You know how many german read the NYT ? Pretty damn few compared to those who use bild.de or facebook.
Now onto your US centric rant , quite off topic about an article about germany : "Fake News isn't about Fake News. Fake News is about the news outlets no longer being able to lie and bury stories that go against their editorial narrative." yeah sure. Believe that. I have a bridge to sell you. The truth is that news outfit in their run toward cheapness and sensationalism, lost a lot of quality control. many are just copy/pasta outfit (barely changing any word from the original article , sometimes directly from what they get from reuters or ap) quality dropped so much, lack of control , that now they are sometimes hardly distinguishable from yellow journalism/gutter press. But they are STILL a step up from many of the right/left wing blogosphere which print any shit without fact checking. You want fake news ? Look at half the post (I will not debase me to call them article) about trump from left wing nuts (e.g. the pic with the caption "if I wanted to be elected I would present myself as republican they are stupid" paraphrased) and about obama/clinton from right wing nuts (think breitbart and the many many shit they spread - or even think children pizza traffic). Many many were shown to be utter fabrication but they are STILL being spread. THAT is fake news.
> OTOH having foreign governments spreading propaganda and misinformation in your country
> is enough of a national security question that you can't just throw up your hands and do nothing.
So you're saying that the USSR should've nuked the USA because of Voice of America https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... and Radio Free Europe https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... shortwave broadcasts?
I'm not repeating myself
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Who can forget that classic piece of fake new from 1948?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...
If you can't see how giving the government the power to automatically delete any story it doesn't like will inevitably be abused,
Which part of "law" and how a society is run, do you not get?
The government has no power to abuse the law, as the law is executed by the juristic branch, like all laws and not by the government.
We are not in Turkey or any dictatorship.
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The real problem isn't Facebook, Twitter, the Russians, Chinese or whatever.
The real problem is who gets to decide what news is real or fake.
This is no more or less than an attempt to set up a 'Ministry of Truth'. People are very easy to manipulate, and having a system to gauge 'news' gives anyone immense power over those people.
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..plain and simple.
When the government decides what information you are allowed to see then you know they're trying to hide something.
How do you actually know if it's fake news? and what is considered fake news? It's a very VERY slippery slope..
So if someone mentions a fact that hurts your sad little superiority complex, that person is an idiot?
I hate to bring it to you, but compared to America, Germany and most of northern and western Europe is both very rich and very clean. If you can't handle that, I am very sorry for you, but then there is no point in participating in this discussion.
Shame that doesn't happen here in America. Be nice to see fake news outlets get fined out of existence.
Angela Merkel $522k for each unvetted immigrant allowed into the country.
What a retard.
A good sign of an open system (political, journalism, software) is the presence of noise. This is natural.
What happens when Germany passes such a law? Then you basically have the government determining what is news. If these articles are such crap (and they are), then don't read them. This is an actual choice we have versus the false choices we get with centralized authority controlling our communications. If we are so socially minded, then help raise awareness about the issue instead of expecting the government to solve everything for us.
Deleting seems too much for me: it obfuscates the fake news source...
Why not just mark (with a very showy way: using text fonts in red, for example...) it is fake?
By your measure the only rich countries are the likes of Norway, Luxemburg, Kuwait etc.
US does not reach the bar you've set : people that remove teeth by themselves with pliers? widespread violence, medical bankruptcies, adults eat candy and pink slime because they can't afford food, not to mention how suburbia is set for failure : give it a few decades and you won't afford the eleventy trillions needed to repair sewage, paved ways and other infrastructure on thousands square miles of now worthless homes in the middle of a lot, like dilapidated, gigantic and identical cubicle farms.
Last year. My entire extended family are Germans. Dad is a naturalized american citizen, Mom is still German. I have dual citizenship (Technicality; I'm an American who drives/skis/drinks like a German).
You are so full of shit, your eyes are shit colored. Germans are neat freaks, Hamburg is a little bit 'big city' but still cleaner than any city in America. Outside Hamburg? You could be in Switzerland.
America has _much_ more dirt poor immigration than Europe. One good thing about Europe getting a taste, we won't have to hear so much self righteous blather about us being unkind to the beaners. America has a 10% higher per capita income...you'd have to define 'poor' in an absurd way to put the line there.
John McAfee 'It was like that time I hired that Bangkok prostitute; to do my taxes, while I fucked my accountant'
Maybe if they fined each person who shares a fake news story, then people would start being more thoughtful before sharing news. That would get to the heart of the problem quicker. The heart of the problem being -- many people can't be bothered to learn how to identify fake news & actually think about it before sending it off to others. If people had to open their wallets each time they did it, they'd be motivated to think first & share later.
First off, gdp per capita in germany is more like 15% higher, and prices are way more. evergy (like gas) is over twice as much. Groceries are more. There is no walmart - all basic shit is way more. taxes - Way more (include VAT here too). Iphone - the default example: $650 usa, $780 there.==poor.
Numbers. Facts. your opinion is factually wrong. ==idiot.
dirty? I wasn't talking about the dirt on the streets moron. I was being racist moron.
poor immigrants? you're seriously comparing the arab fucking refugees in germany to the mexicans we get in the states? that's like comparing apples and a pile or rotting shit-covered garbage. idiot. I Hate those mexican rape gangs and jew banker Falafel Police. All those ex-soviet immigrants and their stupid math PHDs sucking society dry. I hate it when they set like 1000 cars on fire on new year's - oh wait, that's the mexicans in France (they call them muslim refugees there). I especially hate all those mexicans that come here to mooch off free services and sit on their ass. oh wait, they come here to work and earn money - that's why we call them wetbacks. it's like you're comparing wetbacks and sand nigs.
you're a moron. a complete fucking moron. and why not just an idiot but a complete fucking moron? because you say what you say and you seem to know quite a bit about germany.
Facts - what facts. the opposite of facts maybe.
gdp per capita - 15% less. prices are like groceries way more. (example: an iphone is $800 there vs 650 here. gasoline is about $6/gallon vs $3 here). My personal it architecture position pays Half over there.
you also seem to be an idiot, since you confuse actual facts with completely opposite-to-facts opinions. also - pretty sure dirty meant syrian.
literally every single thing you say is false.
tooth removal with pliers? americans have the best teeth of any nation in the world moron - it's even a stereotype.
medical bankrupcies - you mean someone with no money not having to pay their bills? how terrible for them. having spent a month in 2 hospitals in France, it's absolute shit compared to America. Guessing France and Germany are about equal medical-wise.
Violence - steadily decreasing for decades. Your dad raping and hitting you in the head with the stupid brick doesn't count.
suburbia set to failure? wtf? suburbia is steadily expanding from the cities, and well-off city folk move and take their money there as they start families. have you seen european suburbia? we call that "countryside" here in the states. Suburbia here = fucking mansions built by upper-middle class surrounded by huge shopping malls. Suburbia there is "quaint run down little towns".
Repairs? Yeah, shit needs to be rebuilt and repaired. We do and have always been paying for that over time. Eleventy Trillion!! I don't know what that is, but we collect 7 trillion of taxes per year. no problem to pay eleventy trillion over the few decades.
our farms are bad? cubicle farms? don't work in on if you don't want to. Lots of different jobs available.
the comment I replied to was comparing Germany to the USA, assuming they are on par, so Germany should have something like the 1st amendment. I pointed out that it's nowhere close. you are a fucking retard.
Conventional MSM lie just as much, how about fining any of them for fake news?
I'll just leave this here (Moron):
Per capita GDP of Germany: 46,268.64
Per capita GDP of the USA: 53,041.98
Germany is 15% higher? The rest of your points are just as wrong. Some things are more there, some things are less. Quality is generally higher. Beer is about nine euros for 20 500ml bottles of good German beer.
You're the one who says Germany is 'dirty and poor', fucking idiot. I'll take the average Syrian over the average Salvadoran. To say nothing of the fact the USA has so many more than Europe (% wise as well as absolute numbers).
John McAfee 'It was like that time I hired that Bangkok prostitute; to do my taxes, while I fucked my accountant'
Can we impose fine on politicians on their failed promises?
Casteism
"Lawmakers in the country are reportedly hoping it will prevent Russia from interfering in Germany's elections next year."
sed 's/Russia/the people/'
Yes! I love it when idiots walk into the setup. The setup here was of course sou you would dispute Yourself, accomplished via a little wrong information from me. You said USA GDP per capita is 10% higher than Germany's. Now you've proven yourself to be full of shit. here bud, using Your numbers:
(53041.98 - 46268.65) / 46268.65 = 15%. Since you're stupid, let me explain - your own numbers prove that Americans make 15% more money, not 10.
now as far as the rest, clearly your brain is not able to estimate things well and get a "feel" for where is more expensive. Comparison - Berlin and Chicago - about 3mil people each.
so:
income: 15% less (your numbers)
prices as purchasing power: USA 129, Germany 108. (129 - 108)/108 = 20% less purchasing power(nationmaster)
taxes as % of GDP: Germany 40% USA 27%. 40-27=13 more taxes(wikipedia)
let's add that up: (15+13)*1.2 =34
now as far as refugees - refugees in germany don't work and drain the country. immigrants in america work and add to the country. you are seriously saying you want syrians here instead of mexicans? if so, I don't actually believe you are american, and I do believe you are a troll. Enjoy your cheap German beer. I don't drink so I don't buy beer.
The original post I replied to said they expected Germany to have a 1st amendment type law because it is on par with the US. I pointed out that it's not, because it's full of muslim refugees who don't work, and people have a lower standard of living. Both statements correct, as listed here with numbers I provided, and numbers You provided.
good job helping me prove you wrong fuckface.
Americans have 1/3 more money. Let me ask you - if you got a 1/3 of your salary raise tomorrow,
would it change your life and the choices you make in a significant way? Maybe you'd buy a house vs living in an apartment. Focus more on voting for candidates who support owner's rights vs renters rights? Does your tiny mind actually think if we replaced the syrian refugees there with people who work and gave everyone a 1/3 raise Germany would be the same country? That's forgetting all the rights-oppression laws they already have because they lost ww2.
what this proves, is since you are convinced otherwise, and you know both US and Germany well, there is something wrong with how your brain works. Although since me being right is pretty obvious to just about anyone, I am starting to think you are actually a troll, so good job if that's the case - you got me.
The last attempt by a dying industry to keep control of the flow of information. Anything the JEW doesn't want you to read or hear is now "fake" news. More and more people are reading the internet and non-mainstream media news sites for the FACTS about what is actually happening in the world- only thick people still believe everything that the mainstream media tells them- and they recoil in terror when you start questioning their insane beliefs...
His problem is clearly with the way "false news" is determined. you seriously were not able to understand that?
Easy enough to label anything that goes against your agenda "fake news" and then this provided a legal president for Censorship.