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Bitcoin Breaks $1,000 Level, Highest in More Than 3 Years (cnbc.com)
The price of digital currency bitcoin has hit the $1,000 mark for the first time in three years. From a report on CNBC: The cryptocurrency was trading at $1,021 at the time of publication, according to CoinDesk data, at level not seen since November 2013, with its market capitalization exceeding $16 billion. Bitcoin has been on a steady march higher for the past few months, driven by a number of factors such as the devaluation of the yuan, geopolitical uncertainty and an increase in professional investors taking an interest in the asset class. "We are seeing the aftermath of zero interest rates run amok. So bitcoin is a healthy reminder that we don't have to hold on to dollars or renminbi, which is subject to capital controls and loss of purchasing power. Rather it's a new asset class," Bobby Lee, chief executive of BTC China, one of the world's largest bitcoin exchanges, told CNBC by phone.
i remember when you could use a bitcoin fountain and get 1btc at each pull of the virtual lever.
So long as speculators can make money holding onto bitcoin while the value shifts, it will not be a viable means of exchange. Currencies need a stable value for people to want to use them as a currency.
I think you are describing a ETF funds in Bitcoin.
Someone involved in bitcoin thinks its relevant and people are doing big things with it. Next thing you know companies will be sending out press releases saying they're releasing great products.
While bitcoin is changing the landscape, I still think it suffers from the same problem that 'normal' currency has, in that the richest 1% control nearly all the currency, only this time that 1 percent are the techies/geeks.
Only time will tell if they'll also fall prey to human nature (ie. greed, and hoard it all to themselves). Here's hoping that won't happen.
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If someone is not interested in drugs or guns is there any benefit to bitcoin?
Just curious.
I don't think having to hold or parse 1000 GB of data is too big requirement to run your own bank! If you just want to use Bitcoin, there is many clients that have none of those huge "problems" and can be use on your phone.
With this description in mind, BTC seems to be more like gold than dollars.
Like gold, it seems to have an intrinsic value, in the eye of the beholder. And gold is assumed to be a finite resource, which we discover and deliver with variable effort and cost. BTC seems to have an increasingly higher cost to discover and deliver new BTC, though technology (as happens sometimes with gold) may make this relatively easier from time to time, possibly affecting perceived value.
Unlike gold, which has a broad, virtually universal appeal. BTC is less universally appealing, but still it is a perceived value.
deleting the extra space after periods so i can stay relevant, yeah.
That doesn't make any sense. Nobody would buy US dollars if they thought things would go to sh!t.
How many Venezuelan bolívars do you own? If you were an investment adviser would you recommend investing in Venezuela?
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Slashdot is helping with the pump, who is out there dumping?
Another way of writing the story is this: ... From the losers side.
People who bought bit coin in 2013 had lost money for the last three years, and at long last are now even.
Look for the same if you buy bitcoin now, you can help make the 2013 losers whole by participating in the next round of pump and dump
Seeing bitcoin and "professional investor" in the same sentence, as well as seeing real world economic situations used as an excuse for the latest bitcoin bubble.
It's very easy to look "professional" when the bubble is inflating. Let's see how professional they look when it pops again, as it will - because Bitcoin is SPECULATION not investment. I'm pretty sure that tulip salesmen were highly respected financial professionals in the 1630's, a few months before they turned gardener again.
Now don't get me wrong, there is nothing wrong with a bit of speculation and money can be made. However it is a universe of risk away from the term "investment" and the buyer must beware.
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It's only a matter of time before one BTC is worth $200 in US money, too. How much are you willing to gamble?
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People buy US dollars because everyone else buys US dollars. It's as simple as that.
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It's not as simple as that. People buy Renminbi, Yen, Euros, British Pounds.
A currency goes up when people have confidence in it as a store of value and go down when they don't. Is it more complicated than that? Yes. But currencies do not go up when people lose confidence in it's stability.
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I guess you've never looked at a chart of BTC prices. Take a look at the volume, the transactions and tell me if you think it makes sense to wait until it goes back down to $200.00
Will BTC go back to the $600s perhaps. Two hundred. I don't think so.
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I have been following. So, if the pressure is to replace the US dollar as the reserve currency why is the Renminbi desperately being propped up and the US dollar surging?
Br If you think this is a temporary phenomenon then this is a good time for you to short the US dollar. You'll make a killing.
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You mean someone has been dumping it for 3 years? Recent days we have seen insane price increase if you look over 3 years, it's a pretty consistent price increase. Sad you probably never read how bitcoin works and understand to true power of p2p transactions. If that would have been possible... would you have invest in the p2p communication called the Internet? Or the p2p file sharing torrent? Bitcoin is the next logical step against censorship.
If you just want a way to digitally pay for things with limited (but far from perfect) anonymity, bitcoin is a fine mechanism if you can stomach the wild fluctuations in valuations relative to governmental currencies. But if you actually want something independent of government currency, you don't want to jump overboard into an exchange based on artificial scarcity backed by nothing but the good will of mathematicians; you want durable commodities. Bitcoin is simply a zero-value hash which a subset of people have agreed has value. Nothing less, nothing more.
Is it just my observation, or are there way too many stupid people in the world?
Saying that bitcoin is not subject to capital controls and loss of purchasing power is something that the guy running Silk Road would strongly disagree with. He was one of several people who have lost their bitcoin's purchasing power following government controls - in this case seizure. Here's another in Australia.
It's like anything else - if yu can own it, someone else can take it away from you. "New asset class" my arse.
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"So bitcoin is a healthy reminder that we don't have to hold on to dollars or renminbi, which is subject to capital controls and loss of purchasing power."
As if bitcoin isn't subject to a loss of purchasing power? As if that wasn't why the prices fluctuate so wildly?
Holy shit, the people getting into bitcoin are getting scammed harder than I thought if they're buying this economically-unsound statement.
Still waiting on Serviscope_minor to wake up to fucking reality and realize that Jessica Price isn't going to fuck him.
What kind of contract are you suggesting? You pay someone who holds BTC cash for a contract where they lock up some of their BTC and that BTC will be awarded to you (Or bought back from you for cash) if the BTC increases in value with respect to USD, and if the value of USD stays the same or increases in value with respect to BTC, then the Cash you spent on that contract becomes worthless?
You could probably do it simpler with Call options on an ETF holding BTC
Bitcoin as a currency has built-in deflation, so you can't peg it to anything.
There are real reasons why all the serious, real fiat currencies are managed for low inflation. Having guaranteed deflation makes bitcoin useless long-term, and it even makes it hard to understand price changes.
The supply is constrained. A bitcoin will always have more purchasing power in the future. So it can only ever succeed temporarily in "pyramid scheme" fashion. Success would mean demand, but demand cannot be sustained in those circumstances.
The only reason it is in use is because drug dealers don't realize that it is more traceable than dollars. Ignorance is not a good basis for an economy. See also: information theory (economics)
Because of the moronic increasingly constrained supply over time, the price will continue to trend up even as people abandon it and demand trends down.
A normal fiat currency the price would crash until you need 10 billion Zimbabwe dollars to buy a sandwich. With bitcoin, you can't even print more; people will have to abandon it. It won't get easier/cheaper to get, either, because of the speculation premium.
If you want a new fiat currency, fine. But it has to have long-term low inflation to succeed. If it has built-in deflation then speculation will dominate the market.
LOL you're making a pretty huge vocabulary mistake when you confuse the definition of a fiat currency ("in the eye of the beholder" eg, value is in the perception/agreement that there is value) and intrinsic value.
About $250/oz of the value of gold is based purely on the industrial value as a construction material! There is real long-term intrinsic value that serves as a guaranteed floor and allows gold to trade at a much higher level in a similar way to a fiat currency.
Bitcoin has zero intrinsic value. Zero. You can love bitcoin and it isn't less true. ;) You can't even wipe with it. Even a dollar coin has 5 cents of metal value. Bits on a computer don't have higher intrinsic value if they're flipped one way than if they're flipped the other way.
Euro nobody even knows if it will exist in 10 years. There is no Euro nation state, there is no long tradition of union, and they don't seem to be increasing trust and cooperation over time in a way that leads to that. They seem increasingly dysfunctional. The British pound, well, Britain isn't the power they used to be. If their currency became too important, they wouldn't be able to keep control of the politics. The bigger it got, the less stable it would be perceived as being, and the more dangerous policy fights over monetary policy would become. Renminbi is seen as being state-supported, it is not even a viable choice for nation states to hold unless they're small and banking on being a satellite. Large investors aren't going to sit on holding in a currency where the market can't effectively set the price.
There isn't even a viable alternative to the US Dollar as a reserve.
Why do you think demand cannot be sustained ? Bitcoin is a payment system. If you want to use it you need to purchase some bitcoin. The amount of bitcoin is largely irrelevant. You purchase for a certain value. If the value keeps going up you just get less bitcoin for the same value. But you can still use it for transactions for that value. Bitcoins are basically infinitely divisable. The current minimum amount of 1 satoshi can easily be subdivided.
When you think of bitcoin only as an investment vehicle it's true that is has no value. The value is generated by trade in the form of transactions.
bitcoin had lower volatility than GBP for much of 2016.
About $250/oz of the value of gold is based purely on the industrial value as a construction material! There is real long-term intrinsic value that serves as a guaranteed floor and allows gold to trade at a much higher level in a similar way to a fiat currency.
What's "intrinsic" about that? Is there some particular reason to think that people will always and forever value gold at $250/oz or higher, no matter what?
Keep in mind that aluminum was once valued more highly than gold, now it's cheap enough that many people don't even both to recycle it but rather just throw it in the landfill.
Seems to me that gold is valued as an industrial material only as long as no cheaper/more-useful substitute can be found, at which point its value would drop accordingly. Outside of that, its main attraction is that it is shiny and people like the way it looks, at which point we're definitely back to 'eye of the beholder' territory.
I don't care if it's 90,000 hectares. That lake was not my doing.
The principal reason fiat currencies are managed for low inflation is to produce steady nominal economic growth, and encourage investment and redistribution of funds. This isn't necessary for bitcoin, because it doesn't need to replace fiat currency to have value.
For example, Bitcoin offers a way to transfer funds in and out of war zones and political hot spots. Our existing monetary system breaks down in these cases, as trust breaks down, government stop operating, and the local fiat currency becomes worthless. Also, fiat is worthless if the government doesn't like you - just look at what happened to Wikileaks. The US government had their bank and PayPal accounts shut down and they were forced to rely on bitcoin donations.
Historically over a long time though it has been very volatile.
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There isn't even a viable alternative to the US Dollar as a reserve.
Considering that Africa and (ex) Russia use Deutsche Mark as reserve currency, you must be living behind the moon.
The Unites States are a sinking ship since 30 years, no one is really investing it either $ nor the nation. Even your own bigger corporations flee the country and set up shop elsewhere. If you don't get your ass out of your butt you will sink into oblivion over the next 30 years. What exactly does the USA have except Apple, Intel and Carriers? I mean: stuff that anyone wants or respects or fears?
Ah, yes: Yellowstone, Yosemite, the Grand Canyon ... and the Rockies ... oh and Hawaii, I wonder when they secede.
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Please stop this bullshit.
You obviously have no clue about bitcoins and your economics 101 is pretty flawed, too.
You get bit coins via bitcoin exchanges. You are mixing up mining, wich will hit a limited supply and will make finding new coins more and more expensive with transactions and payments.
There is no difference between gong to an ATM, withdrawing $10, going into a pub and drinking 2 or 3 beer versus "withdrawing" bitcoins worth $10 from an "bitcoin exchange" and buying some thing you want to buy via the internet. Except for the difference in "physical" versus internet, both exchanges are exactly the same. And as far as I can see bitcoin will never vanish.
It probably won't be hyper successful but it will be - like gold - always be a collectors item.
With bitcoin, you can't even print more ... can't e so hard to grasp. The winning point of bitcoin is: they are limited.
Exactly as with gold. The remaining gold simply gains worth, same as bitcoins. If you need more, you split the existing coins
Cost free eBook I read (by iBook/Kobo/Amazon/ObookO/Gutenberg etc.): "The Green Odyssey" by Philip Jose Farmer.
your hilarious
Then you are not very smart ... as the opinions you form from your "even though I actually did look into the subject" make no sense and are wrong.
Your whoe posts indicates: you have no clue. ;D
And your follow up indicates: You're not even logically competent enough to disagree with me without making an ass of yourself because you are full with insults
Cost free eBook I read (by iBook/Kobo/Amazon/ObookO/Gutenberg etc.): "The Green Odyssey" by Philip Jose Farmer.
There are no countries that are in any way meaningful that use US$ as "reserves".
US$ is bought and sold by majour national banks to influence the value of the $ or their own currency on global markets. That is all.
Do you really think when a majour crisis is approaching, like a big war, or even happening as the war is conducted, that any US$ would have any value for any one on the world?
Or do you mean, personal savings? Personal savings in many countries are either old DM or modern EU and only in countries that have a strong connection to the US they are dollars.
Cost free eBook I read (by iBook/Kobo/Amazon/ObookO/Gutenberg etc.): "The Green Odyssey" by Philip Jose Farmer.
Wow, "you disagree with me, you must not be very smart."
I know you are but what am I?
You're right, I don't have anything but insults to respond to that with, because it is too fucking stupid to waste time with any other response. If you say shit like that to people, they are only going to respond for their own entertainment.
I'll leave it to you to figure out why your response is idiotic.