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Bitcoin Breaks $1,000 Level, Highest in More Than 3 Years (cnbc.com)

The price of digital currency bitcoin has hit the $1,000 mark for the first time in three years. From a report on CNBC: The cryptocurrency was trading at $1,021 at the time of publication, according to CoinDesk data, at level not seen since November 2013, with its market capitalization exceeding $16 billion. Bitcoin has been on a steady march higher for the past few months, driven by a number of factors such as the devaluation of the yuan, geopolitical uncertainty and an increase in professional investors taking an interest in the asset class. "We are seeing the aftermath of zero interest rates run amok. So bitcoin is a healthy reminder that we don't have to hold on to dollars or renminbi, which is subject to capital controls and loss of purchasing power. Rather it's a new asset class," Bobby Lee, chief executive of BTC China, one of the world's largest bitcoin exchanges, told CNBC by phone.

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  1. Speculators by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    So long as speculators can make money holding onto bitcoin while the value shifts, it will not be a viable means of exchange. Currencies need a stable value for people to want to use them as a currency.

    1. Re:Speculators by supremebob · · Score: 5, Insightful

      If you look at the Bitcoin price charts, you see that it tends to crash in value quickly after rising for some time.

      To me, it looks like now would be a time to dump the currency before it tanks again.

      Of course, the person who wrote this article is probably a speculator themselves. They are probably hoping that they can increase their gains a bit more before unloading their holdings.

      Sadly, these price swings are one of the reasons why Bitcoin doesn't really work well as an actual currency. Well, that and the fact that payment confirmations now take forever to complete unless you bribe the miners with a big transaction fee.

    2. Re:Speculators by Dunbal · · Score: 5, Insightful

      But rest assured, the scale itself changes day to day, sometimes even as much as stocks change day to day.

      Rubbish. Currencies tend to be stable over time. It's when they're NOT stable (witness the Russian Rouble, the Euro, and the British Pound last year) that the shit tends to hit the fan. Which proves GP's point - people like STABILITY in their currencies. Instability is a sign of failure not success.

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    3. Re:Speculators by mrlibertarian · · Score: 2

      Bitcoin is slowly becoming more stable:

      "Its biggest daily moves in 2016 were around 10 percent, still very volatile compared with fiat currencies, but markedly lower than the trading of 2013, which saw daily price swings of as much as 40 percent."

      http://www.reuters.com/article/us-global-markets-bitcoin-idUSKBN14M0IF

    4. Re:Speculators by Yvan256 · · Score: 2

      If you look at the long-term chart, it does crash a bit after rising too fast, but it crashes down above the previous value and then continues to climb. It's similar to charts of the adoption rate of new technologies.

  2. Shocking by Luthair · · Score: 4, Informative

    Someone involved in bitcoin thinks its relevant and people are doing big things with it. Next thing you know companies will be sending out press releases saying they're releasing great products.

    1. Re:Shocking by Baron_Yam · · Score: 4, Informative

      No, the VC idiots have finally learned that Bitcoin is a way of stealing their money. The smart VC money never went there, except a few 'drop in the bucket, just in case' experiments.

      Slashdot really ought to just ban these stupid 'stories'; we don't post about Beanie Baby market fluctuations, and there's nothing technically interesting left with Bitcoin to discuss. It's just the latest attempt by scammers and cultists to pump their obsession.

    2. Re:Shocking by JcMorin · · Score: 2

      Beanie Baby could be created as much as the company wanted. Bitcoin are limited in quantity... for something purely digital this is a great invention... like it or not! The value of bitcoin derived from that fact... if you could multiply it, it would have no value.

  3. Re:Thanks, Trump! by GLMDesigns · · Score: 2

    That doesn't make any sense. Nobody would buy US dollars if they thought things would go to sh!t.

    How many Venezuelan bolívars do you own? If you were an investment adviser would you recommend investing in Venezuela?

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  4. Pump and dump by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Slashdot is helping with the pump, who is out there dumping?

  5. Hilarious by Dunbal · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Seeing bitcoin and "professional investor" in the same sentence, as well as seeing real world economic situations used as an excuse for the latest bitcoin bubble.

    It's very easy to look "professional" when the bubble is inflating. Let's see how professional they look when it pops again, as it will - because Bitcoin is SPECULATION not investment. I'm pretty sure that tulip salesmen were highly respected financial professionals in the 1630's, a few months before they turned gardener again.

    Now don't get me wrong, there is nothing wrong with a bit of speculation and money can be made. However it is a universe of risk away from the term "investment" and the buyer must beware.

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    1. Re:Hilarious by Adam+Back · · Score: 2

      After 8.5 years the stories about imminent death of bitcoin gets kind of old - that was the reason people started collecting bitcoin obituaries. Trading strategy: buy and hodl and have a long term investment horizon. Lots of opportunity to average down as low as $200 during the intervening period. Point is if people see a value to permissionless, unseizable global digital gold. From the $16 billion market cap it seems that they do. Feel free not to buy any.

    2. Re: Hilarious by CGordy · · Score: 2

      It is normal for investors to hold a percentage of higher risk assets, and to hold financial instruments for purposes other than long term growth, such as hedging contracts to protect against currency fluctuations. In BTC's case, holding it offers certain characteristics that are hard to get in other asset classes. To someone managing a fund or portfolio, these characteristics have little to do with the technology itself, and everything to how the bitcoin price responds to international events. In recent years, the bitcoin price has risen when uncertainty around the global economic system is high, or a country (read China) is trying to restrict money flow across its borders. Given recent worries about the US president-elect starting a trade war, bitcoin outperformance at the same time as a strong US dollar (hence a low gold price) is a foreseeable outcome. None of this is to say bitcoin has any inherent value. However, the fact that its price has reacted to world events in predictable ways has meant that it has been a useful financial instrument.

  6. Re:Thanks, Trump! by Dunbal · · Score: 2

    People buy US dollars because everyone else buys US dollars. It's as simple as that.

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  7. More fake news based on lies by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 2

    Saying that bitcoin is not subject to capital controls and loss of purchasing power is something that the guy running Silk Road would strongly disagree with. He was one of several people who have lost their bitcoin's purchasing power following government controls - in this case seizure. Here's another in Australia.

    It's like anything else - if yu can own it, someone else can take it away from you. "New asset class" my arse.

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    1. Re:More fake news based on lies by Jeremi · · Score: 2

      That's an oversimplification to binary -- of course neither Bitcoin nor anything else is a magical solution to the fact that your government (or any other sufficiently powerful entity) could point a gun at your head (either literally or metaphorically) and force you to comply with whatever demands/rules they've come up with.

      The question is, how practical is it for a government to do that on a regular/systemic basis? With a formal banking system, it's quite possible, since there are only a small number of banks and they are easy for a government to regulate. With Bitcoin, it's still possible, but (for now, anyway) considerably more difficult/expensive to carry out, which is why you only see it done in special cases where the government(s) involved can justify the significant cost of doing so.

      Perhaps a government will in the future come up with a practical way to systematically regulate all p2p bitcoin-like traffic that can't be easily circumvented, but they haven't done it yet and it might turn out that it's infeasible to do it, ever.

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    2. Re:More fake news based on lies by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 2

      More internet stupidity. The fact is that they were already under order to be seized. They would have been seized eventually no matter what - even if it meant offering someone a 10% finder's fee. There are plenty of people who can beg, borrow, or steal an electric drill or a hammer, and you'll be begging them to take every last bitcoin. And since it's not easily tracked, good luck getting it back, even if they catch the perps.

      The same things that make bitcoin attractive to crooks make you, the owner, a very easy target for a successful robbery. Also, given that 5 Chinese organizations control the computing power to generate the majority of bitcoins, you're a sucker to use them for anything long-term, as their value is very easily manipulated by them, as opposed to a real free market.

      Then again, the Internet makes people stupid, so what can I expect nowadays?

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  8. Dumbest comment ever in summary by Khyber · · Score: 3, Insightful

    "So bitcoin is a healthy reminder that we don't have to hold on to dollars or renminbi, which is subject to capital controls and loss of purchasing power."

    As if bitcoin isn't subject to a loss of purchasing power? As if that wasn't why the prices fluctuate so wildly?

    Holy shit, the people getting into bitcoin are getting scammed harder than I thought if they're buying this economically-unsound statement.

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  9. Re:Any way to hedge USD using smart contracts? by Aighearach · · Score: 3, Informative

    Bitcoin as a currency has built-in deflation, so you can't peg it to anything.

    There are real reasons why all the serious, real fiat currencies are managed for low inflation. Having guaranteed deflation makes bitcoin useless long-term, and it even makes it hard to understand price changes.

    The supply is constrained. A bitcoin will always have more purchasing power in the future. So it can only ever succeed temporarily in "pyramid scheme" fashion. Success would mean demand, but demand cannot be sustained in those circumstances.

    The only reason it is in use is because drug dealers don't realize that it is more traceable than dollars. Ignorance is not a good basis for an economy. See also: information theory (economics)

  10. Re:Not surprised... there isn't anything capping i by Aighearach · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Because of the moronic increasingly constrained supply over time, the price will continue to trend up even as people abandon it and demand trends down.

    A normal fiat currency the price would crash until you need 10 billion Zimbabwe dollars to buy a sandwich. With bitcoin, you can't even print more; people will have to abandon it. It won't get easier/cheaper to get, either, because of the speculation premium.

    If you want a new fiat currency, fine. But it has to have long-term low inflation to succeed. If it has built-in deflation then speculation will dominate the market.

  11. Re:Any way to hedge USD using smart contracts? by Melkman · · Score: 2

    Why do you think demand cannot be sustained ? Bitcoin is a payment system. If you want to use it you need to purchase some bitcoin. The amount of bitcoin is largely irrelevant. You purchase for a certain value. If the value keeps going up you just get less bitcoin for the same value. But you can still use it for transactions for that value. Bitcoins are basically infinitely divisable. The current minimum amount of 1 satoshi can easily be subdivided.

    When you think of bitcoin only as an investment vehicle it's true that is has no value. The value is generated by trade in the form of transactions.
     

  12. Re:Confused? by houstonbofh · · Score: 2

    I have bought things with bitcoin, but never guns. All my guns have been paid for in cash. So I do not see the connection...

  13. Re:Not good news by Carewolf · · Score: 2

    Another way of writing the story is this:
    People who bought bit coin in 2013 had lost money for the last three years, and at long last are now even.
    Look for the same if you buy bitcoin now, you can help make the 2013 losers whole by participating in the next round of pump and dump ... From the losers side.

    Not even even, they are still behind inflation.