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Two Triple-Screen Laptops Were Stolen From Razer's CES Booth (theverge.com)

In a Facebook post, Razer CEO Min-Liang Tan said two of their prototype laptops shown off at CES 2017 were stolen. "We treat theft/larceny, and if relevant to this case, industrial espionage, very seriously -- it is cheating, and cheating doesn't sit well with us," Tan wrote. "Penalties for such crimes are grievous and anyone who would do this clearly isn't very smart." Both items were prototype models of a laptop, called Project Valerie, that has three 4K displays. The Verge reports: Tan says that Razer is working with law enforcement and CES management to investigate. He's also asking show attendees to email legal@razerzone.com with any info they might have on what happened. A company representative added that a $25,000 reward is being offered for information leading to a conviction. The alleged theft occurred "after official show hours," says Allie Fried, director of global events communications for the Consumer Technology Association, which runs CES. "The security of our exhibitors, attendees and their products and materials are our highest priority," Fried wrote in an email to The Verge. "We look forward to cooperating with law enforcement and Razer as the incident is investigated."

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  1. Ironic by spaceman375 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Even though it was after hours, just how many cameras are there within sight of their booth? At the biggest electronics show in the US? The building itself probably has more than enough "footage" (bitage?) to at least pinpoint when if not who.

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    1. Re:Ironic by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      This *could* be a publicity stunt to keep "three display laptop" meme bouncing around in the `news'.

    2. Re:Ironic by geekmux · · Score: 3, Informative

      This *could* be a publicity stunt to keep "three display laptop" meme bouncing around in the `news'.

      If this turns out to be nothing more than that, then good luck to Razer, as local city officials tabulate the bill calculating waste of law enforcement resources, along with facing punishments related to a fraudulent report.

      And we should throw the book at them. Marketing is not a viable excuse here.

    3. Re:Ironic by Oswald+McWeany · · Score: 4, Funny

      This *could* be a publicity stunt to keep "three display laptop" meme bouncing around in the `news'.

      Until Gillette produce competition against Razer, with a 4 screened monitor next year.

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    4. Re:Ironic by tbuddy · · Score: 4, Funny
    5. Re:Ironic by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "O hai gais, Razer here. We kinda just realized that one of our guys, who unfortunately just left on a cruise before we reported the theft, had actually taken the laptops. We didn't expect him to take them, so we thought they were stolen. He called us from the cruise ship once the satellite linkup was online, because when he opened his luggage he found that he'd brought the wrong laptops with him. Honest mistake, turns out his laptop bag and the one we used to put both of these in were the same! Won't happen again, promises. KTHXBYE."

    6. Re:Ironic by JoeMerchant · · Score: 1

      This *could* be a publicity stunt to keep "three display laptop" meme bouncing around in the `news'.

      An item like this *could* also be headed into a private collection, not to be seen to the outside world for at least seven years. Something as unique as "a very early example of a three display laptop" would be interesting to more than a couple of people with the means to do this.

      Somehow I doubt the industrial espionage angle, triple display drivers are so common they are built into Intel integrated graphics units now.

    7. Re:Ironic by JoeMerchant · · Score: 1

      It's not over until somebody puts a bucky-ball of displays around your head.

    8. Re:Ironic by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The ironic part is it's a Chinese guy complaining about theft of intellectual property and corporate espionage.

    9. Re:Ironic by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why wouldn't they put a lock on the laptops?

    10. Re:Ironic by Oswald+McWeany · · Score: 1

      I know that was a joke article by the Onion, but they do actually sell 5 bladed razors... actually they're up to 7 now.

      http://www.dorcousa.com/pace-7...

      Soon razors will be so big and have so many razors they'll be bigger than your face.

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    11. Re:Ironic by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Um, that's called "externalizing" your costs and is taught in all economics courses, a perfectly acceptable business practice. You, as an individual, are not allowed to do this, but that's your fault for not buying the right laws.

    12. Re:Ironic by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Looked at their website. The machine looks neat, but there is no info on specs. Kind of disappointing.

      Hope they catch the crooks.

    13. Re:Ironic by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      eh, my razor has 55 blades on it's primary face. http://www.ikea.com/us/en/catalog/products/66916200/

    14. Re:Ironic by geekmux · · Score: 1

      Um, that's called "externalizing" your costs and is taught in all economics courses, a perfectly acceptable business practice.

      Submitting a fraudulant report to law enforcement to consume valuable resources is not something that is "perfectly acceptable" no matter what legal wrapper (read: business) you want to excuse it with.

      A new nightclub owner doesn't "invite" the fire department staff to the grand opening by pulling the fire alarm.

    15. Re:Ironic by Grishnakh · · Score: 1

      Submitting a fraudulant report to law enforcement to consume valuable resources is not something that is "perfectly acceptable" no matter what legal wrapper (read: business) you want to excuse it with.

      Wrong. In a corrupt country, it absolutely is "perfectly acceptable". If you can do a thing and legally get away with it because the legal system in that country is corrupt or broken, then it by definition is "perfectly acceptable". And if you disagree, why should I take the word of some random person on the internet over that of the actual legal authorities in a place?

    16. Re:Ironic by Half-pint+HAL · · Score: 1

      Kensington-style laptop locks are not particularly secure. Their benefit is only that you can't casually lift a laptop on the way past -- you have to give them a good hard yank, and it is generally quite visible and often also audible. Most office jobs issue cable locks with laptops, but you'll be told not to leave your laptop locked to the desk overnight. The locks should only be used when you're going to leave the laptop for a short period of time (eg toilet break) in a place where several others can see it.

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    17. Re:Ironic by Grishnakh · · Score: 1

      That's why that Onion article was so funny, in retrospect: at the time the article came out, Gillette wasn't yet making 5-bladed razors, I think they were only up to 4. Then, sometime after the satirical Onion article, they really did come out with 5-bladed razors, making the article now ironic (if I'm using my literary terms correctly; I'm an engineer, dammit, not a liberal arts major!).

      It's a little bit like Arnold's 1986 movie "The Running Man". At the time, it was a not-so-serious and fairly humorous dystopian sci-fi action movie. Little did we know just how accurate it would be. (Check out, for instance, the paramilitary police in the movie, not to mention the foretelling of reality TV.)

    18. Re:Ironic by aquabat · · Score: 1

      Oblig Southpark reference

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    19. Re:Ironic by geekmux · · Score: 1

      Submitting a fraudulant report to law enforcement to consume valuable resources is not something that is "perfectly acceptable" no matter what legal wrapper (read: business) you want to excuse it with.

      Wrong. In a corrupt country, it absolutely is "perfectly acceptable".

      A corrupt country is far from perfect, and most of the time is not acceptable. If it was, we wouldn't look to segregate and punish those perpetuating corruption.

      If you can do a thing and legally get away with it because the legal system in that country is corrupt or broken, then it by definition is "perfectly acceptable".

      If you do something that is against the law, then it is by definition illegal, and you've done nothing but get away with a known illegal action. A system that is defined as corrupt or broken is by definition fucking broken.

      And if you disagree, why should I take the word of some random person on the internet over that of the actual legal authorities in a place?

      Because ethics exist. If a legal authority chooses to ignore the shit out of that relevant factor, it does not automatically make them right. It only defines how broken a system is.

    20. Re:Ironic by darkain · · Score: 1

      Nobody would EVER steal laptops as a publicity stunt...

      http://www.eonline.com/news/35...

    21. Re:Ironic by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In the real world they do send you the bill if they find out you are lying, along with bringing charges of filing a false police report. So why are you going on about random shit that is false. Now maybe Razer doesn't care about receiving charges and the bill - that is possible.

    22. Re:Ironic by ilsaloving · · Score: 1

      Great, now I'm imagining a laptop with multiple vibrating screens that ooze aloe gel when you touch them. Eww.

    23. Re:Ironic by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Cool, now /. is a lost and found notice board? Epic.

    24. Re:Ironic by mnemotronic · · Score: 1

      ... as local city officials tabulate the bill calculating waste of law enforcement resources, along with facing punishments related to a fraudulent report.

      And we should throw the book at them. Marketing is not a viable excuse here.

      It's a darn good thing those rules don't apply to politicians. The jails would be overflowing (even more).

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    25. Re:Ironic by mnemotronic · · Score: 1

      I know that was a joke article by the Onion, but they do actually sell 5 bladed razors... actually they're up to 7 now ....

      Ha. I laugh at those pathetic little 7 blades. Obligatory "mine goes to 11"

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    26. Re:Ironic by pla · · Score: 1

      If you can do a thing and legally get away with it because the legal system in that country is corrupt or broken, then it by definition is "perfectly acceptable".

      "That country", in this case, is the US. Knowingly filing a frivolous police report in the US is not "perfectly acceptable" or something you just "get away with".


      why should I take the word of some random person on the internet over that of the actual legal authorities in a place?

      You shouldn't! Of course, on the flip-side of that, no doubt you can provide an on-the-record statement by the "actual legal authorities" of Las Vegas saying they consider wasting their time as a PR stunt just peachy-keen?

    27. Re:Ironic by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The "Running Man" movie was another failed Hollywood adaptation of a good book by Steven King. Or was it the first of many?

    28. Re:Ironic by Grishnakh · · Score: 1

      A corrupt country is far from perfect, and most of the time is not acceptable.

      Show me one, just one, completely non-corrupt country in the world.

      If it was, we wouldn't look to segregate and punish those perpetuating corruption.

      We only do this so that the populace doesn't completely lose faith in the government. It's not like those efforts actually succeed in rooting out all the corruption, only the most obvious examples, and also the corrupt people who get on the wrong person's shit-list.

      If you do something that is against the law, then it is by definition illegal,

      So what? What difference does it make if something is "illegal" if you get away with it because the law isn't enforced? I'm sure you've done all kinds of illegal things in the past year alone. Did you get punished for them? With so many laws on the books, it's impossible to not do something illegal at some point.

      A system that is defined as corrupt or broken is by definition fucking broken.

      Again, show me just one country that doesn't have any corruption in it somewhere.

      Because ethics exist.

      No, they don't. They're an ideology, made up by people trying to enforce their morality on others. There are lots of ethical systems, many of which are fundamentally incompatible with each other. Do you think it's OK to murder people for being in the "wrong" religion, or abandoning their religion? There are billions of people who do think this way. And in countries where this thinking is normal and commonplace, these people include the actual legal authorities in those nations, and the laws reflect this morality.

      If a legal authority chooses to ignore the shit out of that relevant factor, it does not automatically make them right.

      And what makes *you* right, rather than the actual legal authority, who *according to you* is "ignoring" the action/crime?

      It only defines how broken a system is.

      Who made you the authority for determining what system is or isn't broken? Why should I listen to you instead of the actual authorities in that system, who say their system is not broken and is working mostly fine?

    29. Re:Ironic by Grishnakh · · Score: 1

      "That country", in this case, is the US. Knowingly filing a frivolous police report in the US is not "perfectly acceptable" or something you just "get away with".

      How do you know this? Can you prove that there have never been any cases of someone filing a frivolous police report, anywhere in the US, without punishment?

      f course, on the flip-side of that, no doubt you can provide an on-the-record statement by the "actual legal authorities" of Las Vegas saying they consider wasting their time as a PR stunt just peachy-keen?

      They're not going to say that. But they may very well decline to investigate or prosecute. And how do you know for sure that this really was a frivolous police report (publicity stunt) when the police themselves say it's not?

    30. Re:Ironic by Oswald+McWeany · · Score: 1

      As long as it is screens that are vibrating and oozing stuff. There is another vibrating industry that I hope doesn't start oozing stuff.

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    31. Re:Ironic by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Knowingly filing a frivolous police report in the US is not "perfectly acceptable" or something you just "get away with".

      Tell that to the thousands of women who file false rape reports with the police each year and face zero repercussions for doing so, even after being found out, even when it's a high-profile case with broad media attention.

    32. Re:Ironic by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Concrete only oozes at the start.

    33. Re:Ironic by sexconker · · Score: 1

      The article was published after the Mach 3 (3 blades) was released. I don't know if the 4 blade razors (Quattro, from Schick) were on the radar at the time or not. The latest razors have 6 blades. There's a single blade on the top edge. Marketing says it's for precision. I say it's absolutely useless. The other 5 blades and the vibrating razor itself are pretty great. They lost a long damned time too, and replacements aren't very expensive online. They work out to be far cheaper than the dollar shave club shit in the end.

    34. Re:Ironic by farble1670 · · Score: 1

      Wrong. In a corrupt country, it absolutely is "perfectly acceptable".

      The fact that you can get away with X or Y in some terrible third world country is not the definition of "acceptable". Are you really wasting bits arguing that point? Sheesh.

    35. Re:Ironic by geekmux · · Score: 1

      A corrupt country is far from perfect, and most of the time is not acceptable.

      Show me one, just one, completely non-corrupt country in the world.

      Perfection is subjective. It is also for the most part unobtainable due to the inherent flaws of being human. I never claimed any country or system was perfect, but there are systems that are FAR better than others. History has shown what systems ultimately work, and why they may have had to change significantly in order to survive.

      Who made you the authority for determining what system is or isn't broken?

      I am no more the authority than you are. That said, teachers like Wisdom, Experience, and Common F. Sense have significant relevance here. Those who refuse to acknowledge those teachers welcome Ignorance to be their guide, which doesn't work out so well most of the time, as Experience has shown repeatedly.

      Why should I listen to you instead of the actual authorities in that system, who say their system is not broken and is working mostly fine?

      Why should you listen to the authorities if you believe the system is actually broken? If you are completely absolved of any moral compass or ethical stance in life, then follow whatever system you desire, legal or otherwise. Quite often, it is only morals and ethics that guide us, as laws or rules do not always make the impact they're designed to, as you've quite clearly pointed out.

    36. Re:Ironic by Falos · · Score: 1

      I do kind of expect them to "turn up" somehow, honestly. Whether incompetence or malice (ie intentional) is another story.

    37. Re: Ironic by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Grish is trolling you. Note the goal post shift.

      People like him think everyone else would rape and murder their way across the world if the law didn't stop them. Probably for the same reason the most strident republicans bash gays, personal demons.

    38. Re: Ironic by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I buy Gillette aloe strip dual blades. I use them for a month or so each. I pay less than the dollar shaves claims, with no shipping bs added.
      I got a schtick dual with a slight curve from a hotel recently. They replaced it after one use... I hid the second one they gave me and it's lasted almost two months.
      I don't use shaving cream or anything. But I do shave while in the shower after washing my face.

      First world luxury.

    39. Re:Ironic by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Goddammit, we're going straight to six monitors. Engineering doesn't tell me what to do, I tell THEM what to do!

  2. Laptops for sale by TimothyHollins · · Score: 4, Funny

    Would anyone like to buy a triple-screen laptop? The brand logo is scratched, but otherwise it's brand new.

    1. Re:Laptops for sale by fbobraga · · Score: 1

      use eBay man, it's a tech site

    2. Re:Laptops for sale by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Investigating Officer:

      Was it scratched by something Sharp?
      Did anyone hear Samsung?
      Was the guard's name Asus?
      Was the product's Acer) feature the LarGe screens?

      This appears to be a Dell-iberate act of larceny! The theft was so clean it was like it was lifted by Alienware. Now you kids get off my Lenovo!

  3. It's a studid idea to steal those. by Qbertino · · Score: 2

    Usefulness: Debatable.
    Uniqueness and recognizability: 100%.

    Someone is asking for trouble.

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    1. Re:It's a studid idea to steal those. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Unless it was stolen by a competitor.

    2. Re:It's a studid idea to steal those. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I know this is marked minus one, but as somebody who uses a razor keyboard and mouse, their products work incredibly well for me, they fit my hands phenomenally well. I also legitimately have tiny hands, so the parent does have a point.

    3. Re:It's a studid idea to steal those. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not debatable.. Usefulness: Demo model, extra screens not working, nor folding in.

    4. Re: It's a studid idea to steal those. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I have tiny Korean hands, you insensitive clod! Many pairs of them! It's not like their original owners are ever going to miss them.

    5. Re:It's a studid idea to steal those. by JoeMerchant · · Score: 2

      Almost as stupid as the idea to make it in the first place. Portable and unwieldy... might be easier to ship 2 conventional flat screens wherever you are going and just connect them.

      If anyone did steal them, it's to go in their private tech-person-cave until the statutes of limitations run out.

    6. Re:It's a studid idea to steal those. by JoeMerchant · · Score: 1

      But, why? If you believe the market is there to support competition, why would you even want to do three screens the same way?

    7. Re:It's a studid idea to steal those. by Wycliffe · · Score: 1

      Usefulness: Debatable.
      Uniqueness and recognizability: 100%.

      Someone is asking for trouble.

      Especially because one of the primary usefulness of a 3 screen laptop is portability and the portability is severely limited if you can't be seen in public with it therefore negating most of the usefulness of it. If it was a laptop that was already being sold then you could maybe get away with it but not something where only a handful even exist.

    8. Re:It's a studid idea to steal those. by Registered+Coward+v2 · · Score: 4, Funny

      I know this is marked minus one, but as somebody who uses a razor keyboard and mouse, their products work incredibly well for me, they fit my hands phenomenally well. I also legitimately have tiny hands, so the parent does have a point.

      Donald, is that you?

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    9. Re: It's a studid idea to steal those. by Zero__Kelvin · · Score: 0

      They presumably will eventually be selling them.

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    10. Re:It's a studid idea to steal those. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I wish, but obviously not. He's embarrassed about them, I've embraced them.

    11. Re:It's a studid idea to steal those. by Pascoea · · Score: 1

      Almost as stupid as the idea to make it in the first place.

      I respectfully disagree. I love the concept, the execution could use a little help. I think a business class type of similar device would be great. Triple 4k screens is a little excessive for business purposes, but if I could get a reasonably sized (not 12 pound) laptop with dual 1080 (or 1200) line monitors I would be all over it.

    12. Re:It's a studid idea to steal those. by realdonaldtrump · · Score: 1

      I guarantee you there’s no problem with the size of my hands. I guarantee you. _____ President-elect of the United States

    13. Re:It's a studid idea to steal those. by serviscope_minor · · Score: 1

      Portable and unwieldy... might be easier to ship 2 conventional flat screens wherever you are going and just connect them.

      Not really, the laptop is pretty clunky, but looks like it's much easier to carry round than any of the monitors I have by a long way. Sometimes you need a portably desktop rather than a laptop, and this one looks like it fits the bill.

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    14. Re:It's a studid idea to steal those. by 91degrees · · Score: 1

      Even then, it's worthless.

      Getting three screens to fold down into an efficient form factor, is either trivial or it will have been patented. In this case, the technology is freely available from the patent office, and unusable without paying royalties.

    15. Re:It's a studid idea to steal those. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nobody took these to show them off. I would bet cash they've made the ride in someone's trunk to either Reno or LA (Probably LA if the thief bothered to check the weather lol) and are currently in checked baggage on their way to Shenzhen. ... Where they will be taken apart 9001 ways so some asian OEMs can get a 2 month jump tooling up for next year's trends. Lot of research goes in to those prototypes and if they're near production units there is a lot to be learned getting hold of one a few months in advance.

    16. Re:It's a studid idea to steal those. by Grishnakh · · Score: 1

      I completely disagree. I haven't seen this particular laptop, but conventional flat-screen monitors are not that small, because of the built-in stands and cases and all. Shipping 2 of these means now you have to lug around two rather large boxes, which have the monitors, their stands, their cables and power supplies, plus styrofoam to protect them. Setting it up will be a big PITA too: you'll need a power strip, you'll have to plug in a bunch of cables, set up the stands, etc., Conceivably, with a 3-screen laptop, you just have to lug around an extra-thick laptop, and then setting it up means just unfolding the displays and you're done. If you really want 3 screens and don't mind a bulky laptop, this is far, far more convenient. I could definitely see some people using this for business purposes where you need a serious machine with lots of monitor space, and need to be able to transport it from job site to job site where there won't already be monitors (with docking stations) you can plug into. Admittedly, it does seem to be a somewhat limited market, but that's OK; we have lots of cars which are made for very limited markets too and they do OK.

    17. Re:It's a studid idea to steal those. by swb · · Score: 1

      The 4K part at laptop sizes sounds like something I'd be willing to sacrifice, but otherwise it's a pretty cool idea as far as I'm concerned.

      If you need a super-portable laptop, maybe the extra weight would be a hassle but if your primary portability is just going from location to location with minimal concern for the weight from car-office-hotel type trips then it would be a huge win.

      I do client projects out of hotel rooms sometimes and will haul a spare monitor with me if I'm able to drive to the project. Even then it's a PITA, it doesn't pack well (I just wrap a towel around it so it won't die in the trunk), it's a bunch of extra cabling and power to deal with and the layout is always sub-optimal. If I have to fly it's basically a no-go because I don't have a shipping case for it nor do I want the extra luggage burden.

      For some extra weight, this would solve all those annoyances and provide *3* screens in a very friendly layout with zero cabling hassle. It might even be worth it for every day use, as I can't imagine that ordinary 1080p panels would add a ton of extra weight.

      Occasionally I get lucky and stay in a newish hotel with a LCD TV that knows what to do with a computer HDMI input *and* the desk layout works with as a secondary monitor. Home2 Suites was the last one where the desk was one of those IKEA-like things on casters and I could position the desk, laptop and TV into a useful combo platter. 1080 on a 42" TV is annoyingly large, so it loses about 1/3 of its practical value but makes up for it when its time for viewing movies.

    18. Re:It's a studid idea to steal those. by Khashishi · · Score: 1

      In which case, they are asking for a LOT of trouble.

    19. Re:It's a studid idea to steal those. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      have you seen some of the stupid gaming laptops out there these days?

      Look at this one from MSI
      https://www.msi.com/Laptop/GT8...

      portable and unwieldy describes this one to a T. I believe the term back in the 80s was Luggable?

    20. Re:It's a studid idea to steal those. by Calydor · · Score: 1

      Completely offtopic, but as your signature asks to have mistakes pointed out you should capitalize English and German. I'm assuming you over-compensated for German's tendency to capitalize anything that could ever remotely be considered a noun?

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    21. Re:It's a studid idea to steal those. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I was mainly shitposting, because this is Slashdot, but yeah, there is actual meat in said shit.

      I tried past the point of return to get used to my Razer Naga Hex. Loved the button layout - a suitable amount of buttons without the hideous MMO mouse-style keypads with tiny buttons - except for the fact that trying to hit the rearmost buttons required hideous contortion, rendering them useless.

      Meanwhile, my girlfriend loves the hell out of her Razer Naga.

      My Corsair Scimitar isn't bad, but it suffers the tiny MMO keypad button problem.

      The last decent-feeling mouse I had was a Logitech G500, but sadly, Logitech is often scanty on the side buttons.

      My anonymous kingdom for decent mice for people who don't have small hands.

      And since I can't post seriously on Slashdot: Hopefully our large-handed president will spend his time in office rectifying this with good ol' American manufacturing.

    22. Re:It's a studid idea to steal those. by farble1670 · · Score: 1

      it up means just unfolding the displays and you're done

      Deployment of the screens is completely motorized. No kidding.

    23. Re:It's a studid idea to steal those. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Coming from someone who had a G500, go with Corsair mice. There's a decent variety of mouse types. They have a good heft behind them, they last a hell of a lot longer than other mice that I've owned, and they are big enough to accommodate my giant hands.

    24. Re:It's a studid idea to steal those. by silentcoder · · Score: 1

      Oh how the world has changed... back in the early 2000's when casemodding was the great geekfad - and we all had drawer-handles screwed to the top of our desktops for easy carrying, one guy who showed up at our local lan-parties (remember those) had actually built a case where one entire side WAS a flat-screen (which was still new technology at the time). So he could carry the PC and the screen as one unit. Just plonk it down, and game on the left side of the box.

      While very ingenious - I gave it a go and decided against trying to replicate it. The angle was horrible, and there was no way to lift the screen to a comfortable viewing height.

      Now we're doing multi-monitor built-in to laptops...

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  4. Offering reward? by poofmeisterp · · Score: 2, Interesting

    How typical and old-school. I'd bet half of my life savings this is an advertising stunt.

    1. Re:Offering reward? by ai4px · · Score: 1

      Oddly enough, I had the same thought... advertising stunt. We'll see....

    2. Re:Offering reward? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      I'll take that bet. Ten bucks is ten bucks.

    3. Re:Offering reward? by Ogive17 · · Score: 1

      An advertising stunt that very few people will ever read about? Of course it's possible, just seems risky. If word gets out it was a stunt, probably do more to harm their reputation than actually help out.

      Cleaning and security folks typically are making just above minimum wage. Occasionally you get a bad egg in there that sees a potential quick profit on craig's list and risks their job for a few hundred dollars. Our office has had things go missing during the evening. A few laptops were swiped. I had a couple dollars in change taken from my desk. A common item to disappear was iPhone cords.

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    4. Re:Offering reward? by poofmeisterp · · Score: 1

      Agreed. Keep in mind that you just read about it, though ;)

  5. Not stolen. by houghi · · Score: 1

    Linus (No, the other one) dropped them and did not want to be embarressed again.

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    1. Re:Not stolen. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Linus (No, the other one)....

      Uh, so you mean that kid from the Snoopy comics, then?

  6. No lock? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    I guess with 3 screens there was no room for a Kensington Security Slot to lock them down.

  7. Nice publicity stunt by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Every news outlet is covering this story. Millions of dollars of free advertising for Razer.

    1. Re:Nice publicity stunt by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Every news outlet is covering this story. Millions of dollars of free advertising for Razer.

      So why have I only heard about it here? First time I've heard of this triple-screen laptop as well.

    2. Re: Nice publicity stunt by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      But you've heard of it now, haven't you? Case in point

    3. Re:Nice publicity stunt by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's on the front page of BBC News where I live. And CNN, You can check the rest yourself.

    4. Re:Nice publicity stunt by Grishnakh · · Score: 1

      The people most likely to be interested in a triple-screen laptop are people who hang out on tech forums like this one, not people reading TMZ. Guess which places are reporting this story the most.

      Looks like the publicity stunt worked.

  8. Leading to a conviction... by decep · · Score: 2

    I know criminals are not supposed to be that smart, but if you read between the lines here, nobody is getting any money for information. It could take 1-2 years to convict someone of this theft. By the time someone is convicted, Razor will conveniently forget about any reward money.

    Offer a reward leading to an arrest.

    1. Re:Leading to a conviction... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I did it! Now give me that money. I'll also rescind my confession as soon as the check clears.

    2. Re:Leading to a conviction... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Okay. You did it. I saw you with my own eyes. Now, once I get that check, it's off to fiji. You can defend yourself.

      Oh.. yeah.. maybe a simple arrest isn't enough to disburse the money... It's not like dishonest people would try to collect on it by naming anyone that came to mind.

      Do you know how to tie your own shoes? Retard.......

    3. Re:Leading to a conviction... by cdrudge · · Score: 3, Funny

      Offer a reward leading to an arrest.

      For $25k, I'd implicate all 3 of my kids and my wife. If you could take her dog too I'd appreciate it but leave the goldendoodle, he's mine.

    4. Re:Leading to a conviction... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Offer a reward leading to an arrest.

      For $25k, I'd implicate all 3 of my kids and my wife. If you could take her dog too I'd appreciate it but leave the goldendoodle, he's mine.

      Hell, I'll give you twice that if you could implicate my (ex-)wife.

      You know what the definition of a successful man is? One who makes more money than his ex-wife spent.

      I am not a successful man.

    5. Re:Leading to a conviction... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Sorry, I was with your wife that night, she has a rock solid alibi.

    6. Re:Leading to a conviction... by Oswald+McWeany · · Score: 4, Funny

      Sorry, I was with your wife that night, she has a rock solid alibi.

      ... and I was with the Goldendoodle.

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    7. Re:Leading to a conviction... by dkone · · Score: 1

      Plot twist; this isn't Reddit.

    8. Re: Leading to a conviction... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What about the wife's dog? It doesn't have an alibi.

    9. Re:Leading to a conviction... by Actually,+I+do+RTFA · · Score: 1

      By the time someone is convicted, Razor will conveniently forget about any reward money.

      I'm pretty sure that the 25K will be sitting in escrow from arrest to conviction. I'm not a lawyer, informant or criminal, but that's usually how such conditional payments are handled in areas of my life where I do have experience, to prevent exactly what you describe.

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    10. Re:Leading to a conviction... by Greystripe · · Score: 1

      2 minutes in a public restroom isn't much of an alibi.

    11. Re:Leading to a conviction... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      She told me that the alibi was the only thing rock solid that night.

    12. Re:Leading to a conviction... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      rekt

  9. Re:criminal trade show union employees by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Why? Because people trying to earn a decent living are invariably thieving from our corporate/industrialist overlords? Your compliance has been noted, however, like the 'work' of all supplicants your obedient talking points will be rewarded with lower wages and industrial waste. A modern day Uncle Tom.

  10. Jokes on them! by ArchieBunker · · Score: 4, Insightful

    These weren't even real prototypes. The whole thing is vaporware at the moment. You won't see this thing for another 5 years at least. Find me a graphic card capable of driving three 4K displays, now explain how you're fitting that inside a laptop.

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    1. Re:Jokes on them! by naughtynaughty · · Score: 3, Informative

      Many graphics cards can drive 3 4k monitors, including those using the NVIDIA 1080 GPU

      If you were really asking how many can do it for gaming to your personal satisfaction, that's an entirely different question.

      To explain how you can fit one inside a laptop, buy one of the several laptops on the market that have teh NVIDIA 1080 GPU inside, tear them apart and you'll see how they fit them inside.

    2. Re:Jokes on them! by damnbunni · · Score: 1

      There are already laptops with two desktop GeForce GTX 1080s. If you're willing to put up with the weight of a cooling system, I don't think tri-SLI presents an insurmountable problem.

      And if you're looking at a three-screen prototype, weight is certainly not a problem.

      Of course, they might not have gaming-grade GPUs in them at all. Driving three 4k screens in 2D isn't that difficult and that's all you'd need for a demo unit.

    3. Re:Jokes on them! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why do I get the idea that you are thinking about it in terms of gaming performance when 24 million pixels make hell of a lot more sense when the picture is at least semi-static.

    4. Re:Jokes on them! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Don't forget the power supply it will need just for a good GPU, never mind three screens and their backlights.

      I have a few years old Macbook Pro 17" and when I use a 3D heavy game while the charger is plugged in, if it's a 65 watt charger (rather than the 85 watt charger), it will start discharging the battery! Even with the 85 watt charger it seems pretty close. On a regular non-laptop you want at least a 600 watt PSU with a decent graphics card, and I know from experience that 400 watts won't cut it.

    5. Re:Jokes on them! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Something not talked about that in this same show, some laptop maker is now selling a $9000(!) laptop, can't remember which one. It's running dual 1080s, is something like 3.5 inches thick and weighs 19 pounds with a 21 inch display. I think this was the one the dambunni was eluding to when he said there are already laptops with two 1080s.

    6. Re:Jokes on them! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Razer is also selling an external GPU box to go along with their laptops, which is probably why they are marketing this as 'use your laptop as your desktop', since you'll be all-but-required to purchase this extra device to sit beside your laptop anyway.

    7. Re:Jokes on them! by grumpyman · · Score: 1

      Wait a minute... is it just a big mix up (some jr. guy safely put em away) while generating some press time?

    8. Re:Jokes on them! by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      Not only do Nvidia and ati both support this, but they are also comfortably able to do 3D gaming on them. Please try and keep up with technology.

    9. Re:Jokes on them! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You don't need three 1080's to drive three 4k displays, one can do it. This prototype laptop has a 1080 GPU in it.

    10. Re:Jokes on them! by ArchieBunker · · Score: 1

      So why a mockup if the technology is there?

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    11. Re:Jokes on them! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well Razer is a gaming company...

    12. Re:Jokes on them! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How many other laptops have you seen with 3 built in monitors that extend automatically? The technology for the iPod existed for a long time before it was released, but the way it was utilized and polished was novel.

    13. Re:Jokes on them! by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      So why a mockup if the technology is there?

      Because it's CES? Or did you think MS was being held back by technology when they had their Xbox demonstrations running on a PC in the first place?

      I mean a Matrox has been able to power multiple monitors at 4K for a good 2 years now (If you don't care about 3D performance), their latest C680 can do 6 monitors at 4K at a time, and multiple can be put into a PC. The single GTX1080 mobile chipset supports 3x 4K monitors, and they can be teamed with multiple in a PC reverting to SLI in gaming for even more monitor support.

      The technology has been there for a while. The implementation is new and still being worked on.

    14. Re:Jokes on them! by The-Ixian · · Score: 1

      No really.... we made these super cool laptops with 10...errr..4k! screens... 2 of.. err. no, 3 of them that would fold out. They were super portable and played Crysis on full settings! .... THEY WERE REAL! but somebody stole 'em so I can't show 'em to you....

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    15. Re:Jokes on them! by bheerssen · · Score: 1

      I don't think it's vaporware. http://www.razerzone.com/proje... Razer is a big, reasonably dependable company. I'd bet on something like this eventually hitting the market.

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  11. WTF?!? by sootman · · Score: 1

    Every $399-and-up iPhone at the Apple store is held in place with a cable. And these crazy-expensive prototype laptops weren't because...?

    If it were my prototype laptop, I"d've specced it with not just one but two Kensington slots. And it'd go into a substantial locking box after hours, or into the hotel room of a trusted rep.

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    1. Re:WTF?!? by geekmux · · Score: 2

      ...If it were my prototype laptop, I"d've specced it with not just one but two Kensington slots...

      Because two zip ties are better than one?

      Give me a break. If a thief wants your multi-thousand dollar laptop bad enough, they're going to use a $5 pair of wire cutters to defeat your pathetic attempt to secure it with that sales gimmick of a solution.

    2. Re:WTF?!? by naughtynaughty · · Score: 1

      Every iPhone at an Apple store relies on a store employee being nearby when someone snips the cable.

      Two Kensington slots means it takes someone 20 seconds to cut two cables instead of 10 seconds to cut 1.

    3. Re:WTF?!? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Because it's a fucking stunt, just like all the "leaks".

    4. Re:WTF?!? by Actually,+I+do+RTFA · · Score: 1

      If it were my prototype laptop, I"d've specced it with not just one but two Kensington slots.

      Why? Two cases without the locks - It's not stolen, the locks would have been extra cost and expense; It is stolen, excellent PR. Adding locks is a lose-lose (well, except for the city and expo people working to solve the crime.)

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    5. Re:WTF?!? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Apple store employees will not intervene in a theft, they move away from the individual rather than engage.
      They rely on cops (at least for the mall-based stores) standing outside to stop any thieves.

    6. Re:WTF?!? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      From footage i saw of the event the 3 screen laptop was inside a huge glass cabinet. Oh and the thing was not even a real machine, just basically a mockup.

  12. Happens all the time by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    I've exhibited at these big shows - security is very lax, there's loads of people milling around after hours and the risk of getting caught is minimal. Anyone who leaves anything of any value unattended on the stand (whether in a cupboard or on display) is asking for trouble. I'm amazed these guys were so green - especially if they thought there was the slightest risk of 'industrial espionage'.

  13. Industrial spionage? by nospam007 · · Score: 1

    BS. It was the flight-simulator gang.

    1. Re:Industrial spionage? by PolygamousRanchKid+ · · Score: 1

      BS. It was the flight-simulator gang.

      No, three displays is "innovatious". The only folks driving serious "innovatious" tech are in the porn industry. So look out for porn that is filmed simultaneously from three angles, which can be displayed on three screens . . . and you have found the culprit!

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  14. Re:first by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The proper word is frist and the many variations thereof.

  15. Re:criminal trade show union employees by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Unions have long ago left their first purpose of protecting labor though collective bargaining and landed themselves squarely in the political game. They have become what they initially despised and no longer protect the little guy and his job, but now have become a barrier to employment, collect usurious "dues" and have parlayed the representative power from representing labor to management to engaging in political campaigns which many in their membership oppose.

    It's time for unions to go back to what they initially were, or go away.

  16. $25,000 reward? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Sweet, I hope some idiot is selling a triple screen laptop on Ebay. Easy money.

  17. Keep an eye on /g/ by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    These things will probably show up in a lapfu thread any day now.

  18. Time for Xorg guys by dschiptsov · · Score: 0

    to start thinking how to support something like this.)

  19. moar like loovers. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    or is it leuvers?

  20. law enforcement billing? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    you implicating the leo doesnt work and is why everyone is asked to help the leo?

    Your implication of news and media as a franchise of law enforcement is quite stunning. How many student press or papers circulating in a school, how many prison inmate news papers circulating in a prison?

    Reminds me the courts are not open to the public since there are fees for everything rather than prepaid officers.

  21. We Know Who It Wasn't by organgtool · · Score: 3, Funny

    Well, we know it likely wasn't an Apple employee since they would be more interested in a laptop with no screen, or at least a screen that requires a dongle.

    1. Re:We Know Who It Wasn't by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      a laptop with no screen

      Isn't that an iPad? No, wait...

  22. Re:criminal trade show union employees by PrimaryConsult · · Score: 1

    Depends on the union and "union culture".
    Bad union: Cashiers at grocery stores in Canada and Japan - successfully prevented their duties from being expanded to bagging groceries. Result: self checkout is actually easier and faster than using a human (you can take the item out of the cart, run it across the scanner, and put it in the bag in one motion. Versus unloading the cart onto a belt and then loading things from a different belt into bags). And soon Amazon's system which simply electronically charges you for whatever's in your cart as you exit the store will put pretty much all these places out of business.

    Bad union: in NYC the "token booth" clerks were being made irrelevant due to vending machines and security cameras. Transit tried to expand their duties, and lost against the union. The incident where a woman was raped in full view of staff who did nothing to intervene did not help (until that point one of the union's selling points to keep stations staffed was "safety"). So they simply started closing booths and replacing them with push button kiosks that connect people to a call center to ask their questions, and an emergency button to call for help. If all the booth person can be counted on to do if a crime is happening is call the police, any nearby warm body can push a red button to do the same.

    Good union: white collar ones. They generally stay out of the way. They still of course try to keep the number of employees up, but are far more open to re purposing existing employees and titles.

  23. Re:first by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    But not "fistr", because that's probably a trademark of a... emmm... "dating" site.

  24. This was a hostile business decision by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Whenever Razer has something whacky they're betting will be the next thing, they remove the product at the end of the show and claim it was stolen in an act of industrial espionage. The reason is this: if any competitor makes a similar product later on, then Razer has already set up a precedent that allows them to accuse that competitor of being the very made-up thief who stole their equipment, betting on that the sheep on the Internet and the courts will side with them.

    1. Re:This was a hostile business decision by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Can you provide an example of a prior event where this happened? I don't recall them ever doing this before and I cannot find anything that says that they have.

      As of right now what you're saying sounds like some made up bullshit, so spare us the conjectures and provide the proof.

  25. Re:criminal trade show union employees by Half-pint+HAL · · Score: 1

    Good union: Many trains in the UK still don't have retention toilets, and spread human waste on the tracks. The RMT union asked the rail companies to inoculate track workers against diseases spread by human faeces. The companies refused saying that they'd be fitting retention toilets in all trains within the next ten years, so it wasn't an issue. The RMT responded by threatening strike action. The companies paid for the inoculations. (I have a feeling there had actually been a case of cholera in one rail worker, so we're not just talking minor bugs here.)

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  26. Grievous, eh by tietokone-olmi · · Score: 1

    Guess they don't want their prototypes back, then.

  27. Hillary called by TTL0 · · Score: 0

    It was the Russians !

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  28. The three screens are great and stuff ... by CaptainDork · · Score: 1

    ... any thoughts on embedded GPS?

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    1. Re:The three screens are great and stuff ... by The-Ixian · · Score: 1

      If they were running Windows 10, the telemetry would be able to find them....

      Seriously though, there is a "Find My Device" thing in Windows 10.

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    2. Re:The three screens are great and stuff ... by CaptainDork · · Score: 1

      My desktop does not have this feature.

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  29. Uh... Anyone check security? by chaboud · · Score: 1

    I've heard of security personnel *filling* hotel rooms with stolen gear from booths, and I know someone who stopped a theft-by-security-guard after hours a couple of years ago at CES. Those guys are about as trustworthy as a hungry bear.

  30. So does the booth by SuperKendall · · Score: 1

    Every iPhone at an Apple store relies on a store employee being nearby when someone snips the cable.

    The same is true of any CES booth. I've been there after hours on a vendor badge - there are a TON of people wandering around, as you'd expect with so many people working each booth... just because it's after hours does not mean you can walk away from any valuable equipment for a second. Any computers or cameras at the vendor I was at were put into a locked closet for the night before the booth was left unattended.

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  31. Re:first by PPH · · Score: 1

    Oh oh! Someone stole the first post.

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  32. Re: first by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Thank you for thanking that OP. We need heroes like you to inspire generations to come.

  33. No internet trackers installed? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Well, then good bye your laptops.

  34. What report? by gosand · · Score: 1

    What fraudulent report? Did it say they filed a report with the police? The news story said they were working with law enforcement, that's it.
    And they gave you an email address from their domain if you have any information. (?!)

    Sure, someone might have nabbed them, laptops get stolen all the time. Just somewhat interesting that this made the news feeds. Do I care? Not in the least.

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  35. Maybe a Razor TV buyer did it? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    As revenge for the POS that is Razer TV obviously...

  36. At least you know its portable... by Tim12s · · Score: 1

    At least you know its portable...

  37. From experience by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    CES attendees (guests) are much less likely to steal than attendees of consumer shows like IFA, but after hours security is worse.

    That being said, even my little company which makes keyboards know not to leave prototypes unattended by our own staff at any time. I mean, come on.

  38. Re:criminal trade show union employees by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Good union. Shit job.

  39. Not at all surprised by meadow · · Score: 2, Funny

    I'm not at all surprised this happened. The United States is in the midst of a major - probably the most major in it's history - crime epidemic. Probably the most major in the history of any human society.

    We read in the news every week about brazen robberies and burglaries: People literally driving vehicles into store front windows, grabbing items, then speeding away. Gangs of gorilla thugs invading stores and collectively stealing everything in sight. Car break-ins are so prevalent that police do not even respond nor investigate.

    And on top of it more criminals than ever are roaming the streets because the jails are way overcrowded and many jurisdictions have passed leniency laws which seriously reduce penalties for many serious crimes.

    It is absolutely not surprising that something like this theft would happen. Par for the course in America 2017. This is not an accident either, its the direct result of the policies of politicians constantly trying to score "humanitarian" points by pandering to the lowest-common-denominator in society in a sickening race to the bottom that's literally leading to societal collapse. Dysgenia is in full-swing in America fueled by "compassionate" policies which are nothing more than pathological delusion bordering on the criminal.

    1. Re:Not at all surprised by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      [citation needed]

    2. Re:Not at all surprised by Tyrannicsupremacy · · Score: 0

      Nothing new under the sun, buddy.

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  40. It was..... by trevc · · Score: 1

    The Russians.

  41. Idiot! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    " and anyone who would do this clearly isn't very smart." I would say that the person who allowed it to happen is considerably less smart.

  42. I like the Scratched brand by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Scratched is better than LL Bean and Sharper Image methinks.

  43. captain obvious by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    has anyone checked eBay?

  44. Re:criminal trade show union employees by kaatochacha · · Score: 1

    regardless of how you feel about Unions, if you've ever worked at a trade show, you'd agree that trade show unions are the epitome of lazy idiots living off doing nothing.
    "um, you can't move that rolled up carpet yourself, you'll need one of us to come over with a forklift, that will be 2 hours from now, oh, and you have to rent the carpet from us too".

  45. Re: criminal trade show union employees by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    That's not the union screwing you, it's the convention center.

    Also, idiots plugging twenty extension cords into each other, under carpet and a hydra of surge (outlet) bars at the end, are why there were enough deaths in fires to get a law passed allowing it in the first place.

  46. Re:criminal trade show union employees by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Unions have to be political, that is where a lot of laws and regulations that will affect them get created. Why would any union be in favor of a politician who is going to vote to make their state a "right to work" (and get fired) state? Or make it so workers aren't required to join the union if it is a union shop?

    It is the right wing politicians and conservative media who have picked other social issues that some union members might not agree with as to why they shouldn't support the unionization of workers. But that just let corporations gain a whole lot more power now than even back in the robber-barron era. The GOP saw the money that Unions would give to the Democrats and targeted that.

  47. Razer: We Don't Pay Attention! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "...and anyone who would do this clearly isn't very smart." So they are saying any moron could have stole this. Speaks more to their inattention than anything else.