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Faulty Phone Battery May Have Caused Fire That Brought Down EgyptAir Flight MS80 (ibtimes.co.uk)
New submitter drunkdrone writes: "French authorities investigating the EgyptAir crash that killed 66 people last year believe that the plane may have been brought down by an overheating phone battery," reports International Business Times. Investigators say the fire that broke out on the Airbus A320 in May 2016 started in the spot where the co-pilot had stowed his iPad and iPhone 6S, which he placed on top of the instrument panel in the plane's cockpit. From the report: "EgyptAir flight MS804 was traveling from Paris to Cairo when it disappeared from radar on 19 May 2016. Egyptian investigators have speculated that the crash, which killed all 56 passengers, seven crew members and three security personnel on board, was caused by an act of terrorism due to traces of explosives reported to be found on some the victims. Investigators in France have disputed these claims, saying that data recorded from the aircraft around the time it disappeared points to an accidental fire on the right-hand side of the flight deck, next to the co-pilot. According to The Times, CCTV pulled from cameras at Paris' Charles de Gualle airport show that the co-pilot stored a number of personal items above the dashboard, where the first signs of trouble were detected. This included an automated alert indicating a series of malfunctions on the right-hand flight deck window, followed by smoke alerts going off in a toilet and in the avionics area below the cockpit, minutes before the plane vanished."
i Knew it, apple is a terrorist company.
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hmmm... is this is proven or even not, i wonder if the lawyers would go after apple as I am sure the airline probably already settled as is the case with crashes.
The batteries burn, not violently explode. The pilots would have seen and smelt smoke, and done something about it, like move the phone out of the cockpit.
This is more likely a pilot suicide.
For the non specialist, this sounds like a broad simplification.
How did the Copilot not notice early when fire was emergent and controllable?
How can a pair of devices a tablet and an phone exposed on a dashboard a few inches at reach from a the copilot down a whole plane in a few minutes?
I've seen Air Crash episodes about Lithium batteries starting a massive fire in a cargo bay just under the electronic compartment of a 747. But here the situation looks much more genuine. Is it sensationalism at work again?
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Future president Trump knew the cause the minute he heard about it : islamic terrorists.
These investigators should be fired for taking so long to arrive to a FAKE NEWS conclusion.
Trump will fix this.
Everything I could see suggests that this incident was an iPhone (mainly the rounded glass edges), and coincidentally within a few months time:
http://avherald.com/h?article=49a73611
Meteor
Spontaneous combustion
Explosive free radicals
Surely, if a fire started as described (in the cockpit, right next to the pilots) the voice recording would contain utterances like "Bloody hell, my phone's caught fire!" or "Hand me that extinguisher we've got a burning iPad" or similar (and in Arabic obviously). Does anyone know if this is the case?
Trump said it was a terrorist attack.
The God Emperror is always right.
We need a total and complete shutdown of all iphones entering the United States until our country's representatives can figure out what is going on!
One would think an electronic device that catches fire while _on_ an instrument panel would be noticed long before said fire is able to damage the instrument panel and cause the plane to crash. The cockpit recorder should have picked up a few explicit verbal phrases if such an event had taken place. Different story if the phone was within luggage in the bottom of the plane. Perhaps right under the cockpit?
If the day ever comes an exploit can cause a phone to catch fire, imagine all the implications.
It was actually downed by fake news.
So Egyptian investigators are claiming it was a bomb, while the French say there was likely a fire which started on the flight deck. Are the French investigators disputing the claim that "traces of explosives" were found on some of the victims? Or are they saying "well sure there was explosive residue, but that's not what brought the plane down"... because that would be weird and scary.
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The recorder did in fact record the pilots trying to put out a fire in the cockpit.
http://www.independent.co.uk/n...
> The cockpit recorder should have picked up a few explicit verbal phrases if such an event had taken place.
The recorder did in fact record the pilots trying to put out a fire in the cockpit.
http://www.independent.co.uk/n...
No I don't know the exact wording they used.
WTF?
By the way, both are really cool - under controlled circumstances. The problem is, lithium ion battery technology packs a lot of energy into a really small package. Drop atmospheric pressure to around 80% of normal, even a microscopic deformation of the battery could cause an energetic event. Throw in O2 (if in use) and now you have a really energetic event.
It could've been some 400 pound kid on a couch somewhere. You know, it's nearly impossible to prove these things unless you catch them in the act.
According to the article you linked to, the fire the pilots were trying to put out was not responsible for the crash and was likely a secondary fire. From Google translate:
What is certain is that it was not this fire [cockpit fire the pilot was attempting to extinguish] that suddenly cut, at 37,000 feet, the other black box, the flight recorder (FDR), located at the back of the plane.
So there might have been a fire but it is more likely it came from inside the instrument panel then from on top. Either that or there just happened to be an exploding phone the exact same time a different explosion took down the plane.
If that were the case why wouldn't the pilot toss the equipment out of the cockpit for the staff to deal with? I do not agree.
Just to clarify, this was deduced from the flight data recorder, not voice recordings. The voice recorder was apparently damaged by salt water and data not recovered so far.
When all you have is a hammer, every problem starts to look like a thumb.
At first I pooh poohed it; but then I googled iphone fire and did not like what I saw. Unfortunately, I can't google "ipad fire" as it collides with "kindle fire".
I find it interesting that Apple phones apparently 'Overheat' according to our unbiased media, yet Samsung phones 'Explode' (often with more words added for even more effect).
No, no bias there, none at all! Nothing to see here! Please move along!
The sub-headline of the story I linked to is:
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Information from the flight's cockpit voice recorder suggests the pilot tried to extinguish a fire in the cockpit before the plane crashed
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The French article says: ...
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the CVR (cockpit voice recorder) indicates that one of the two pilot present in the cockpit of flight MS 804
it was not this fire that suddenly cut, at 37,000 feet, the other black box, the flight recorder (FDR)
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Translated by Google translate.
The article explicitly says "not the OTHER black box, the flight data recorder".
So of all the possible people on all possible planes it's the flight crew? And of all the batteries on planes, it's from a device that isn't particularly renown for bursting into flames? It would probably be more likely if the pilots were smuggling something and that caught fire.
Some drink at the fountain of knowledge. Others just gargle.
That's too much courage in one place, of course it caught fire.
The don't use O2 on planes.
Some drink at the fountain of knowledge. Others just gargle.
Sorry, I confused an a320 with the space shuttle.
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According to recently leaked documents, Russia has evidence the Donald likes golden showers.
Hot flaming perfume, ignited by the iPhone, dripping behind the instrument panel.
How's that for bad haiku?
“He’s not deformed, he’s just drunk!”
Maybe you mean Apollo 1? It has been a long time since anybody thought 100% O2 was a good idea.
John McAfee 'It was like that time I hired that Bangkok prostitute; to do my taxes, while I fucked my accountant'
Nah, man. It's for real.
https://youtu.be/avdufhXL4ow
You are welcome on my lawn.
Most airliners are pressurized for around what, 5,000 feet? Could the atmospheric conditions on an aircraft, cause the battery pack to change its shape enough to interfere with the insulation spacers on a battery pack?
I went to update the Wikipedia page and found it says:
Media reported that data from the cockpit voice recorder indicated one of the pilots had tried to extinguish the fire in the cockpit before the airplane crashed.[104] However, after these reports were released, the Egyptian Civil Aviation Authority urged "media to be cautious while issuing press releases about the accident and to only rely on official reports issued by the committee itself."[105] Later, on 16 July, the committee confirmed that the cockpit voice recording mentioned "the existence of a fire".[55]
I didn't read the whole thing looking for other mentions that need to be updated.
I enjoyed Flight with Denzel Washington and this story reminds me a little of the plot.
If you haven't seen it then it's an eye opener about the game of "passing the buck", and seeing who get's sued when blame is attributed.
A nice big fat rich company like Apple, tasty...
Actually they didn't think 100% O2 was a good idea during the Apollo 1 era. At the time an air mixture system was technology that was either to bulky, non reliable, or non existing.
From what I understand from the accident of Apollo 1 was not just that it was a 100% O2 atmosphere, but that the pressure of this atmosphere was too high since it was on the ground and needed to me near outside atmospheric pressure. In space the pressure would be much lower and risk of extreme fire would be greatly reduced.
People did have concern at the time about the O2 atmosphere, and they didn't really wanted to use it. But it seemed that everyone forgot to put the two (O2 atmosphere and ground level pressure) together, they did actually assess a potentual fire in space with O2 atmosphere.
When panel catches fire and/or is destroyed, the whole thing starts collapsing, giving occupants just enough time to run out just before catastrophic explosion or crash.
The don't use O2 on planes.
"In the unlikely event of a drop in cabin pressure, a nitrogen mask will drop down in front of you..."
BEA... trying to deflect the possibility that the Airbus window heater failed catastrophically (again). It's a known issue for both Airbus and Boeing.
So Samsun can actually say that none of their note 7's has ever brought down a plane, but an Apple iPad or iPhone 6S did.. So now let's start the Apple exploding jokes instead of the Samsung ones..
even a fire in a place in front of the pilots eyes
anything is possible except a failure in the french plane, of course
Considering the fire risk that the batteries in these devices pose, should we consider our phones one of the greatest fire hazards in our homes?
A lot of stories like this lately...
Right, a pilot puts his carry on bag on the flight console during flight; he has no training? He's not a professional?
I drive a car. I don't obscure my view with my backpack. I can assume a professional pilot has at least that much intelligence. I don't know the answer but I am sure this isn't it. The backpack on the dash with a never before reported defective battery fire is almost like saying a meteor fell from space and hit the flight deck, taking the plane and sixty six person to their deaths. Let's blame the phone, so phone manufacturer. I don't like Apple because their products are way overpriced, still I'm not going there. Do we really want to say a six hundred phone took a thirty million dollar aircraft out? Hell that is better than any missile system has on return.
The investigators just want to have an answer that has nothing to do with an aircraft manufactured in France. A few other Airbus planes have fallen from the sky. Perhaps figuring out why would be smart. In the meantime I'll take a Boeing.
Ridiculous
When *I* repair computer systems, and specifically storage systems, the *first* thing I do is copy off whatever bit of data I can get. That way my attempts to repair it don't result in losing any data.
Therefore, it's not inconsistent to say "it is being repaired, and they recovered some data".
Oxygen is not stored. it's produced on demand for those masks.
Some drink at the fountain of knowledge. Others just gargle.
Oxygen is not stored. it's produced on demand for those masks.
Using oxygen generators that are a flight hazard, though a necessary one, in their own right:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...
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FAKE NEWS!
We still don't have any proof of life that Ceelo Green is alive after that horrible phone explosion. Just a bunch of lies from the lib media.
You are welcome on my lawn.
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