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Faulty Phone Battery May Have Caused Fire That Brought Down EgyptAir Flight MS80 (ibtimes.co.uk)
New submitter drunkdrone writes: "French authorities investigating the EgyptAir crash that killed 66 people last year believe that the plane may have been brought down by an overheating phone battery," reports International Business Times. Investigators say the fire that broke out on the Airbus A320 in May 2016 started in the spot where the co-pilot had stowed his iPad and iPhone 6S, which he placed on top of the instrument panel in the plane's cockpit. From the report: "EgyptAir flight MS804 was traveling from Paris to Cairo when it disappeared from radar on 19 May 2016. Egyptian investigators have speculated that the crash, which killed all 56 passengers, seven crew members and three security personnel on board, was caused by an act of terrorism due to traces of explosives reported to be found on some the victims. Investigators in France have disputed these claims, saying that data recorded from the aircraft around the time it disappeared points to an accidental fire on the right-hand side of the flight deck, next to the co-pilot. According to The Times, CCTV pulled from cameras at Paris' Charles de Gualle airport show that the co-pilot stored a number of personal items above the dashboard, where the first signs of trouble were detected. This included an automated alert indicating a series of malfunctions on the right-hand flight deck window, followed by smoke alerts going off in a toilet and in the avionics area below the cockpit, minutes before the plane vanished."
hmmm... is this is proven or even not, i wonder if the lawyers would go after apple as I am sure the airline probably already settled as is the case with crashes.
Fun fact: In the original draft, I noted that the Galaxy Note 7 came out in late August, well after the plane was reported missing. But I removed it due to the fact that the report clearly specifies that the pilot brought Apple products onboard. Still, we can expect a fair share of Samsung jokes regardless...
The batteries burn, not violently explode. The pilots would have seen and smelt smoke, and done something about it, like move the phone out of the cockpit.
This is more likely a pilot suicide.
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Surely, if a fire started as described (in the cockpit, right next to the pilots) the voice recording would contain utterances like "Bloody hell, my phone's caught fire!" or "Hand me that extinguisher we've got a burning iPad" or similar (and in Arabic obviously). Does anyone know if this is the case?
One would think an electronic device that catches fire while _on_ an instrument panel would be noticed long before said fire is able to damage the instrument panel and cause the plane to crash. The cockpit recorder should have picked up a few explicit verbal phrases if such an event had taken place. Different story if the phone was within luggage in the bottom of the plane. Perhaps right under the cockpit?
If the day ever comes an exploit can cause a phone to catch fire, imagine all the implications.
It was actually downed by fake news.
So Egyptian investigators are claiming it was a bomb, while the French say there was likely a fire which started on the flight deck. Are the French investigators disputing the claim that "traces of explosives" were found on some of the victims? Or are they saying "well sure there was explosive residue, but that's not what brought the plane down"... because that would be weird and scary.
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we can expect a fair share of Samsung jokes regardless...
What kind of person could turn 56 accidental deaths into a joke?
When all you have is a hammer, every problem starts to look like a thumb.
The recorder did in fact record the pilots trying to put out a fire in the cockpit.
http://www.independent.co.uk/n...
You wouldn't leave them on a dashboard. Loose objects have to be secured on the flight deck. Most likely they got stuffed into a pocket along with paper documentation.
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> The cockpit recorder should have picked up a few explicit verbal phrases if such an event had taken place.
The recorder did in fact record the pilots trying to put out a fire in the cockpit.
http://www.independent.co.uk/n...
No I don't know the exact wording they used.
Brilliant to you, sick to me.
When all you have is a hammer, every problem starts to look like a thumb.
By the way, both are really cool - under controlled circumstances. The problem is, lithium ion battery technology packs a lot of energy into a really small package. Drop atmospheric pressure to around 80% of normal, even a microscopic deformation of the battery could cause an energetic event. Throw in O2 (if in use) and now you have a really energetic event.
You might need to change your nick...
The cesspool just got a check and balance.
It could've been some 400 pound kid on a couch somewhere. You know, it's nearly impossible to prove these things unless you catch them in the act.
Don't forget exporting all of the phones in the country illegally. Build a wall around Palo Alto, with a name like that I'm sure it's full of bad hombres!
According to the article you linked to, the fire the pilots were trying to put out was not responsible for the crash and was likely a secondary fire. From Google translate:
What is certain is that it was not this fire [cockpit fire the pilot was attempting to extinguish] that suddenly cut, at 37,000 feet, the other black box, the flight recorder (FDR), located at the back of the plane.
So there might have been a fire but it is more likely it came from inside the instrument panel then from on top. Either that or there just happened to be an exploding phone the exact same time a different explosion took down the plane.
Just to clarify, this was deduced from the flight data recorder, not voice recordings. The voice recorder was apparently damaged by salt water and data not recovered so far.
When all you have is a hammer, every problem starts to look like a thumb.
First day on Slashdot eh?
Except that it's Samsung with the exploding batteries. But any chance to act like a shitknob and bash Apple because you lack any real intelligence or character, right?
I find it interesting that Apple phones apparently 'Overheat' according to our unbiased media, yet Samsung phones 'Explode' (often with more words added for even more effect).
No, no bias there, none at all! Nothing to see here! Please move along!
The sub-headline of the story I linked to is:
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Information from the flight's cockpit voice recorder suggests the pilot tried to extinguish a fire in the cockpit before the plane crashed
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The French article says: ...
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the CVR (cockpit voice recorder) indicates that one of the two pilot present in the cockpit of flight MS 804
it was not this fire that suddenly cut, at 37,000 feet, the other black box, the flight recorder (FDR)
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Translated by Google translate.
The article explicitly says "not the OTHER black box, the flight data recorder".
So of all the possible people on all possible planes it's the flight crew? And of all the batteries on planes, it's from a device that isn't particularly renown for bursting into flames? It would probably be more likely if the pilots were smuggling something and that caught fire.
Some drink at the fountain of knowledge. Others just gargle.
The don't use O2 on planes.
Some drink at the fountain of knowledge. Others just gargle.
Except that it's Samsung with the exploding batteries. But any chance to act like a shitknob and bash Apple because you lack any real intelligence or character, right?
How ignorant of history can you be? Plenty of laptops included the HCF instruction. No wonder you posted anonymously ...
Now on to more serious business - civil suits incoming - and it's not like you have the same standard of proof for civil liability as for criminal liability. With the extensive history of electronics catching fire, a jury will have no time believing that it's possible - it's just a question if it's more likely than not.
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What kind of person could turn 56 accidental deaths into a joke?
Mark Twain?
“Humor is tragedy plus time.”
Hot flaming perfume, ignited by the iPhone, dripping behind the instrument panel.
How's that for bad haiku?
“He’s not deformed, he’s just drunk!”
George Lucas and Steven Spielberg need to come to justice for that.
What kind of person could turn 56 accidental deaths into a joke?
Anyone who uses humour as a way of dealing with things that would be too painful to deal with any other way?
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All events like this has been made fun of, just look at all the jokes the 11/9 attacks spawned.
Maybe you mean Apollo 1? It has been a long time since anybody thought 100% O2 was a good idea.
John McAfee 'It was like that time I hired that Bangkok prostitute; to do my taxes, while I fucked my accountant'
Thanks; learnt something!
Most airliners are pressurized for around what, 5,000 feet? Could the atmospheric conditions on an aircraft, cause the battery pack to change its shape enough to interfere with the insulation spacers on a battery pack?
I went to update the Wikipedia page and found it says:
Media reported that data from the cockpit voice recorder indicated one of the pilots had tried to extinguish the fire in the cockpit before the airplane crashed.[104] However, after these reports were released, the Egyptian Civil Aviation Authority urged "media to be cautious while issuing press releases about the accident and to only rely on official reports issued by the committee itself."[105] Later, on 16 July, the committee confirmed that the cockpit voice recording mentioned "the existence of a fire".[55]
I didn't read the whole thing looking for other mentions that need to be updated.
All rechargeable batteries can explode. Ever try to recharge a frozen lead-acid battery using a garage-type quick charger? I saw one explode. No way was anyone getting near enough to disconnect it once it started profusely fuming. Smelled like boiled pig for some reason.
It's one reason to remove batteries from heavy equipment that isn't going to be started for a few weeks in -40 weather. Cells that freeze solid because they don't have a full charge will build up a LOT of pressure, so the cells that actually do have a charge (and the sulfuric acid isn't all stored in the plates as lead sulphate) end up leaking and/or spraying battery acid - and even if you don't notice it, the fumes from recharging condense on the battery casing.
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What kind of person could turn 56 accidental deaths into a joke?
A person with a really good sense of humour.
"Grab them by the pussy" -- President of the United States of America
This kind of person.
Any sufficiently unpopular but cohesive argument is indistinguishable from trolling.
Bashing Apple is correct in this case.
EgyptAir flight MS804 went missing on 19 May 2016. The copilot on that flight left an Apple iPad and an Apple iPhone 6S in the place where the fire reportedly broke out. The Samsung Note 7 (with the exploding battery) was announced on 2 August 2016, and released on 16 August 2016. Other Samsung devices are as poor as Apple's in the battery area.
I enjoyed Flight with Denzel Washington and this story reminds me a little of the plot.
If you haven't seen it then it's an eye opener about the game of "passing the buck", and seeing who get's sued when blame is attributed.
A nice big fat rich company like Apple, tasty...
Non-Western deaths are ok?
Today a liberal radio commentator joked about Donald Trump (Agent Orange MkIV) being worse for the world than Agent Orange was for the Vietnamese. The same guy usually gets angry when some guy calls people who leave beaches messsy, baboons on FB.
It all depends if the victims are your own people or not. And of course some people have a degree of Autism, these are usually the exception.
That gas bag already injects himself into every current event, you don't need to help him any.
No, he really did. There really is no need to make stuff up about Trump, he will make the shit up himself.
Except that it's Samsung with the exploding batteries. But any chance to act like a shitknob and bash Apple because you lack any real intelligence or character, right?
The article did specifically cite an iPad and an iPhone 6S as being stowed in the spot where the fire started, as well as bottles of perfume. If the perfume had a high enough alcohol content, a shattered bottle could feed the fire from an exploding battery.
Although Apple device explosions are rare, they have happened, especially in reduced atmospheric pressure:
http://www.ainonline.com/aviat...
The don't use O2 on planes.
"In the unlikely event of a drop in cabin pressure, a nitrogen mask will drop down in front of you..."
BEA... trying to deflect the possibility that the Airbus window heater failed catastrophically (again). It's a known issue for both Airbus and Boeing.
The Samsung Note7 wasn't released until about 2 months AFTER this crash... However, we do know that iPhones have been burning since 2015, well before this crash.
Browsing at +1 - no ACs, I ignore their posts. So refreshing!
What you do is called "virtue signalling".
So Samsun can actually say that none of their note 7's has ever brought down a plane, but an Apple iPad or iPhone 6S did.. So now let's start the Apple exploding jokes instead of the Samsung ones..
Unfortunately, I can't google "ipad fire" as it collides with "kindle fire".
Here you go.
Couple of choice ones:
Fire that killed four dogs in rescue home started by an iPad charger
iPad fire
Wow, Apple censor team is active today.
When all you have is a hammer, every problem starts to look like a thumb.
A co-pilot is, just like the captain, also a pilot.
He should have written: "One of the pilots..."
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When *I* repair computer systems, and specifically storage systems, the *first* thing I do is copy off whatever bit of data I can get. That way my attempts to repair it don't result in losing any data.
Therefore, it's not inconsistent to say "it is being repaired, and they recovered some data".
Oxygen is not stored. it's produced on demand for those masks.
Some drink at the fountain of knowledge. Others just gargle.
Oxygen is not stored. it's produced on demand for those masks.
Using oxygen generators that are a flight hazard, though a necessary one, in their own right:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...
FAKE NEWS!
We still don't have any proof of life that Ceelo Green is alive after that horrible phone explosion. Just a bunch of lies from the lib media.
You are welcome on my lawn.
Unfortunately, I can't google "ipad fire" as it collides with "kindle fire".
Here you go.
Couple of choice ones:
Fire that killed four dogs in rescue home started by an iPad charger
iPad fire
So to show us "Apple battery fires", you link us to stories about "(chargers (supposedly) from Apple fire (or in one case more of a smolder)"
"iPad Fire" (read the post)
When all you have is a hammer, every problem starts to look like a thumb.
My money would be on the iPhone 6s. The early devices had a battery problem where they would suddenly shut down long before they were supposed to fully discharge. This leads me to wonder if the batteries have a dendrite problem, which (in addition to causing early shutdowns) could potentially cause them to overheat and catch fire.
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Just to clarify, I doubt very much any phone or tablet was responsible. But if one was, my money would be on the iPhone 6s rather than the iPad. My first guess would be that perhaps EgyptAir didn't replace the window heaters, which IIRC were recalled for an overheating problem in that model. If that isn't the problem, then the next most likely cause would be something in avionics, not in the cockpit. Personal devices in the cockpit are way down the list.
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