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5G Internet is the 'Beginning of the Fourth Industrial Revolution' (cnbc.com)

Posted by msmash on from the interesting-things dept.

Next-generation 5G mobile internet technology marks the beginning of the "fourth industrial revolution," the chief executive of Turkey's leading telecoms player told CNBC on Thursday. From a report: 5G is viewed as a technology that can support the developing Internet of Things (IOT) market, which refers to millions -- or potentially billions -- of internet-connected devices that are expected soon to come on to the market. Kaan Terzioglu, the chief executive of Turkcell, which has a market capitalization of $23 billion, touted the potential of the technology, saying that while 4G revolutionized the consumer market, 5G could transform the industrial space. "I think this is the beginning of the fourth generation of the industrial revolution. This will be the platform linking billions of devices together," Terzioglu told CNBC at the World Economic Forum in Davos. Turkcell has been working on 5G technologies since 2013 and this week completed a test in partnership with Ericsson, using the next-generation internet.

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  1. *Up to* mumble-mumble bps by Rick+Schumann · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Give me a hardwired connection to the Internet any day rather than overpriced underperforming overbooked wireless.

    1. Re:*Up to* mumble-mumble bps by jellomizer · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I think for most of us. Currently Mobile Speed isn't an issue, but the price for the connections.

      Cell Phones kicked off when their prices became competitive and often cheaper to Lan connections. When they came with "Free" long distance and no roaming charges.
      Data rates are still too high for me to cut the Internet Cord, not necessarily bandwidth.

      I would actually welcome a Day where I could just tether my Phone and use my Internet Account wherever I go.

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    2. Re:*Up to* mumble-mumble bps by flappinbooger · · Score: 4, Informative

      You know what I want? I want to only pay for internet access ONCE. I want to have ONE subscription to THE internet and use it via mobile or at home with my PC. I don't want to pay ATT or Verizon or Sprint for my phone and then pay Comcast or some other ISP for my home internet.

      Of course, I can do this now with a cellular contract, I can have mobile data and get one of those cellular based access points. But it's impractical due to usage limits and almost no-one does this because the minute you turn on Netflix you just went over your pathetic monthly morsel of bandwidth.

      I dream of some future day when we all just pay for internet one time per month.

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    3. Re:*Up to* mumble-mumble bps by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 2

      Look at the turkeys it came from - it came from Turkey the country. They need to get completely into the 20th century (never mind the 21st).

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    4. Re:*Up to* mumble-mumble bps by Darinbob · · Score: 2

      Agreed. Mobile data is overpriced and overrated. I get along just fine with wifi the few times that I need to do something on my phone instead of a computer. Nevermind that phones and tablets are designed for people to consume advertisements with and not to get work done. Getting work done means getting input to the device and not just passively viewing information coming out of the device.

    5. Re:*Up to* mumble-mumble bps by Baloo+Uriza · · Score: 2

      And, you know, don't make it 1/25th the speed and 5x the price of Korea.

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  2. IoT is already here. by Oswald+McWeany · · Score: 2

    IoT is already here without 5G. 5G being here or not will have no impact on the technology. Besides, in countries like the US where data plans are so ridiculously high, you're not going to pay 5G rates to keep your toaster connected to the internet.

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    1. Re:IoT is already here. by tsa · · Score: 2

      I would like to see a reliable and true 'hard' off switch for the internet on my new TV, fridge, toaster etc to prevent it from being turned into a spam box or suchlike.

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    2. Re:IoT is already here. by Rick+Schumann · · Score: 2

      You have to be able to alter the network configuration settings, just delete or change them in such a way that it can't connect to the outside world.

    3. Re:IoT is already here. by michelcolman · · Score: 5, Funny

      What if your toaster could mine bitcoins and use the heat of the mining process to toast bread? Essentially free bitcoins!

    4. Re:IoT is already here. by msauve · · Score: 4, Insightful

      "5G is viewed as a technology that can support the developing Internet of Things (IOT) market, which refers to millions -- or potentially billions -- of internet-connected devices that are expected soon to come on to the market."

      Sounds more likely to be the Beginning of End of the Internet As We Know It than the "fourth industrial revolution."

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    5. Re:IoT is already here. by ctilsie242 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I want a "hard" off switch, and I want it where the device does not need access to the Internet. I've read in previous /. articles about some thermostats automatically turning off in 14 days if they don't have constant Internet access.

      Realistically, I just don't want IoT functionality, period. There is nothing it gives me that I don't have already. My TV displays whatever is on the other on the HDMI cable; no more. My fridge keeps my beer cold; no more. If I wanted to pay a lot of money for a refrigerator, I'd buy a fridge that uses both natural gas and electricity so a blackout while I am gone doesn't mean fouled food when I return. I am not paying money for a fridge that can turn into a botnet client or a potential hazard if some hacker decides to turn it off while I am gone in hopes of causing food poisoning.

      If IoT is a question, then "NO" is the answer.

    6. Re:IoT is already here. by unixisc · · Score: 2

      Precisely. The key thing enabling IoT was IPv6, since that's needed if one wants random devices connected to the internet. Here, end to end is important, since most embedded devices are unlikely to have things like Layer 2 addresses that one associates w/ Ethernet or WiFi cards.

      The 4G, or LTE spec, already mandated IPv6 support, which is why it's already there. 5G can help by improving speeds, but other than that, there is no reason that 5G enabled IoT in a way that 4G doesn't. Besides, having a barcode reader as one of the devices on such a network would hardly make a difference whether it was on a 4G or a 5G network

    7. Re:IoT is already here. by unixisc · · Score: 2

      Why not just turn off your router? Or, if your router has multiple SSIDs, have one of them private and undetectable (unless you already know its name) and hook your fridge and TV and everything to it, and disable it whenever you want. Other things, like say, your computer, put it on another SSID if needed.

    8. Re:IoT is already here. by ctilsie242 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      For now we can... However, things change. For example, finding a vehicle that does not phone home 24/7 is a challenge. Right now IoT devices are an option, but with the fact that companies can make more money from the data stream coming from the device than the device itself, there is a good chance that the "option" part will disappear. We saw that with consoles which require a constant connection to function. We see this with Windows 10 and its telemetry gathering. IoT is often about dumping as much data as possible to a server, just because that data can be sold to someone, and because of shrink-wrapped EULAs, just by putting in an IoT++ light bulb into a socket, the user agreed to 24/7 monitoring.

    9. Re:IoT is already here. by ctilsie242 · · Score: 2

      This is how it -should- be. IoT devices should yak to each other via Bluetooth, or if they need to go out to the WAN, via hardened hub or hubs with some type of profile limiting the machines they can communicate with.

      However, there are two profit driven motives why something like Z-wave isn't used: The first is that sucking as much data as possible down is profitable. Analytics, telemetry, "anonymized" profile data... regardless, the IoT maker makes cash for everything the device can discern about the buyer or the environment and ship up.

      The second is cost. Security doesn't pay the bills, so IoT makers don't care how vulnerable their stuff is. In fact, it is in their financial interest to have devices which can't be updated, forcing the user to buy new ones or face compromise.

    10. Re:IoT is already here. by JoeMerchant · · Score: 2

      Sadly, no, you cannot buy a decent full sized refrigerator anymore without it containing some (expensive to replace) microprocessor control "brain" - they're not all connected to the network, yet, but give that 5 or 10 years and the network ports will be present on all of them whether you pay for the option or not. Eventually, you'll be paying extra to not connect your fridge to the network (and, in some cities you already do pay extra to not let the power company "load balance" your major appliances to manage peak demand loads.)

    11. Re:IoT is already here. by JoeMerchant · · Score: 2

      Or just don't pay your Comcast bill.

    12. Re:IoT is already here. by justthinkit · · Score: 2

      LG to put Wi-Fi in every appliance it introduces in 2017

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    13. Re:IoT is already here. by omnichad · · Score: 3, Insightful

      why not make these things a part of an Intranet of Things

      This is what I want. In an Internet outage, there's no reason my smartphone shouldn't be able to control a smart thermostat. Better still, this makes it more likely that there will be a way to make arbitrary connections to these devices from a home server and custom scripts. A lot of my home actually operates this way - I use an Amazon Dash button for my doorbell (ARP sniffing), my Asterisk caller ID shows up on my MythTV screen using contact photos from an offline cache of my Google Contacts. Just a few scripts as glue and I can do just about anything with devices that are made to be good citizens among arbitrary tech - it's why protocols were invented.

  3. Riiight... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    So someone with a huge interest in seeing 5G data rollout says it'll be as big as industrial revolution. Fucking hardly.

    A.I. stands a chance of doing so but improving a wireless technology does not. This is just idiocy I can't believe slashdot publishes this shit.

    Everyday that passes I want to block slashdot in my /etc/hosts to break myself from the habit of coming here.

    1. Re:Riiight... by Guybrush_T · · Score: 2

      +1. This guy is not important, not objective and is saying yet another "our technology will revolutionize the world". Come on.

      Wait for people describing their next technology as "The fifth industrial revolution". Because you know, the fourth is so much 2010.

    2. Re:Riiight... by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 2

      +1. This guy is not important, not objective and is saying yet another "our technology will revolutionize the world". Come on.

      Wait for people describing their next technology as "The fifth industrial revolution". Because you know, the fourth is so much 2010.

      It's Turkey. They're too busy dealing with non-industrial revolutions nowadays.

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  4. Oh really? by bob4u2c · · Score: 2

    Next-generation 5G mobile internet technology marks the beginning of the "fourth industrial revolution," the chief executive of Turkey's leading telecoms player told CNBC on Thursday

    Well if a Chief Executive of a Telecom said it, then it must be . . . . . . nothing but marketing hype.

    1. Re:Oh really? by ColdWetDog · · Score: 2

      Jeez Editors. Next - Kim (or whatever) Kardishan breaks a fingernail (which had an open web browser).

      Come on, you really can do better. Even with just flat out troll / clickbait headlines you can do better. We can help you make some up!

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  5. Hyperbole by SubtleGuest · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Haven't seen that much in a while.

  6. Verbal Marketing Diarrhea by thegarbz · · Score: 5, Interesting

    5G is nothing to do with IoT. IoT is lots of devices very little bandwidth. 5G is tuned for very large bandwidth applications and has a generally quite high power consumption.

    LoRa networks are the networks for IoT devices, unless these marketing numbnuts think IoT is about your toaster, connecting to your WiFi, connecting to 5G or some stupid idea like that.

    1. Re:Verbal Marketing Diarrhea by mighty7sd · · Score: 2

      5G...has a generally quite high power consumption.

      5G is not correlated with "high power consumption." In fact, one of the main goals in research is lower battery (power) consumption. In the past it might have been okay to blast power in all directions to make sure you are heard. Now, there is too much demand so we invest in technologies such as small cells to reduce power levels/interference and increase capacity.

      5G is really all about efficiency, using our limited resources in a smarter manner. How can we increase spectral efficiency (stuff more bits per hertz)? How can we get more spectrum (see millimeter wave and FCC NPRMs)? How can we share more efficiently (see 3.65 GHz CBRS use of dynamic frequency allocation via SAS).

      It even comes with softer questions that aren't as technical, such as "how can I quickly get permission to mount antennas in peoples yards (NIMBY issues)?" and how do I get fiber ROW?" since again there is no spectrum for wireless backhaul.

  7. More Dumb Stuff Please by Moof123 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Sensors everywhere will not make you happier, probably not even healthier. I am sure we will see a "smart" hammer that evaluates your swing and trains you soon.

    I want less and less of this stuff.

    I want my books printed not "e" these days.

    I am tired of cloud crap, stop deleting my tunes and PDFs off my tablet without asking me.

    We are in a bubble of "because we can" thinking, rather than products and services that are actually helpful, efficient, and life improving. Gadgets are lucky to have a 1 year lifespan, why would we want billions of them, mostly abandoned by the vendor and the owner alike, sitting on the web waiting to be exploited into botnets and such?

  8. Wait by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Wasn't AI the beginning of the 4th industrial revolution just last week or so?

  9. The Fourth Industrial Revolution by Daetrin · · Score: 4, Informative

    The subject came up a day or two ago, so i happen to have the wikipedia link handy:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

    In short:
    1st IR was 18th and 19th centuries and was steam engines and iron and textile production.
    2nd IR was 1870 to 1914 and was steel and oil and electricity and mass production.
    3rd IR was 1980s to now, and is computers and networks.

    The _theory_ is that the 4th industrial revolution is starting now, and will involve some combination of biotech, nanotech, AI, 3d printing, and (if you believe some people) the Internet of Things.

    Personally i think that to the extent that you want to differentiate the current/upcoming situation from the 3rd IR/computer revolution, those first four items are all viable candidates for turning society on its head. I'm pretty skeptical about the IoT part though.

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    1. Re:The Fourth Industrial Revolution by Archangel+Michael · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Here's the problem. Industrial revolution is about producing things of value. Hardware. Now, we're producing FlappyBird and is that really "Industrial"?

      Robotics replacing humans is more likely part of the Industrial revolution. 3D printing, CNC and WaterJet cutting are Industrial. 5G is nothing more than a fancy telephone line, just like all the other fancy telephone lines.

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  10. Oh god please no! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    5G is viewed as a technology that can support the developing Internet of Things (IOT) market, which refers to millions -- or potentially billions -- of internet-connected devices that are expected soon to come on to the market.

    What vision of Hell is this!

  11. Re:A Modest Proposal by sjames · · Score: 2

    Yes. We don't need the screaming prune calling for the poor to be exterminated.

  12. 5G: 0 to data cap in 30 seconds! by tlambert · · Score: 4, Insightful

    5G: 0 to data cap in 30 seconds! Now that's a fast connection!

  13. Not in the US by FellowConspirator · · Score: 2

    In the US, we're going to data cap that to the point of uselessness. Really, there's no point to faster mobile data if it is gobbled up in a couple of seconds.

  14. Um, No. by WillAffleckUW · · Score: 2

    Seriously, it's self-powered wireless clothing devices and other integrated circuits you wear that have their own AI, and which will report you to the Ministry of Truth for deviating from the "norm" that are the 5th Industrial Revolution.

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