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Western Union Pays $586M Fine Over Wire Fraud Charges (reuters.com)

The head of the FTC says Western Union "facilitated scammers and rip-offs," while the company "looked the other way." An anonymous reader quotes Reuters: The world's biggest money-transfer company agreed to pay $586 million and admitted to turning a blind eye as criminals used its service for money laundering and fraud, U.S. authorities said on Thursday. Western Union, which has over half a million locations in more than 200 countries, admitted "to aiding and abetting wire fraud" by allowing scammers to process transactions, even when the company realized its agents were helping scammers avoid detection, the U.S. Department of Justice and the Federal Trade Commission said in statements...

Fraudsters offering fake prizes and job opportunities swindled tens of thousands of U.S. consumers, giving Western Union agents a cut in return for processing the payments, authorities said. Between 2004 and 2012, the Colorado-based company knew of fraudulent transactions but failed to take steps that would have resulted in disciplining of 2,000 agents, authorities said... Between 2004 and 2015 Western Union collected 550,928 complaints about fraud, with 80 percent of them coming from the United States where it has some 50,000 locations, the government complaint said. The average consumer complaint was for $1,148, the government said.

Reuters seemed to suggest that nearly one out of every thousand transactions was fraudulent, reporting that Western Union "said consumer fraud accounts for less than one-tenth of 1 percent of consumer-to-consumer transactions."

115 comments

  1. This was long overdue by onyxruby · · Score: 3, Funny

    Western Union has turned a blind eye to criminals using their services for fraud for decades. Why did this take so long?

    1. Re:This was long overdue by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Western Union has turned a blind eye to criminals using their services for fraud for decades. Why did this take so long?

      Yeah, the over-pay check scam has been going on since I can remember.
      (Link below has autoplay video because SFGate hired morons to design their website.)
      And can lead to wrongful arrest with no recourse. Especially by assholes like Bank of America

    2. Re:This was long overdue by rtb61 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      They were fined 586 million dollars, which is pretty indicative of how much they stole. How many went to jail, well, apparently none. So the government still turning a blind eye to corporate criminals instead fining the investors. Corporate crime, the crime that pays quite well and when you get caught, well, someone else pays that fine, what a disgusting scam. Why is corporate crime out of control, this is exactly why corporate crime is out of control.

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    3. Re:This was long overdue by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      WU has been "in" on it the entire time, hence the fine.

      The scammers however utilize fake WU transfers (eg check cashing scams) and the people who fall for it, end up paying for it.

      The money laundering is largely obvious to anyone because of the one-sided nature of the transaction. Hence, Western Union is ONLY for handing money over to people you know, and trust like your immediate family. If you pay a stranger with WU, you are very likely engaging in money laundering.

    4. Re:This was long overdue by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why did this take so long?

      Because they weren't really doing anything wrong, just facilitating the transfer of money. Roads facilitate the transfer of hundreds of billions of dollars in illicit goods & activities (drugs, stolen items, robbery getaway, etc), and yet road maintenance agencies aren't held accountable!? US currency is used to pay for tens of billions of illegal transactions worldwide, lock up the Treasury! (/s). Going after a third party for the actions of an actual criminal is pretty idiotic.

    5. Re:This was long overdue by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you pay a stranger with WU, you are very likely engaging in money laundering.

      Curse all those eBay money launderers, enticing me to be a willing participant in money laundering by offering (and giving!) a product that I desire.

    6. Re:This was long overdue by Anonymous+Cow+Ward · · Score: 2

      Strictly speaking, they didn't steal anything. The company just looked the other way when other people were stealing. The only money they made off this was probably just small amounts per wire transfer - this adds up, of course, but I'd be surprised if it totaled $586M.

      The specific agents who conspired to help people get away with it were convicted, per that article. So not really "turning a blind eye".

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    7. Re:This was long overdue by edtice1559 · · Score: 1

      WU turned a blind eye. They had agents participating in a massive fraud. Those agents went to jail. But WU had such poor controls that the fraud went on for a long time. Nobody is saying that WU has to prevent all fraud. But they do have to be aware of criminal activity in which their agents are actively participating.

    8. Re:This was long overdue by Anonymous+Cow+Ward · · Score: 1

      I was specifically responding to the claim that the government turned a blind eye to corporate criminals, not WU. I agree wholeheartedly that WU turned a blind eye.

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    9. Re:This was long overdue by ScienceofSpock · · Score: 1

      Ebay doesn't allow Western Union payments. What the hell are you talking about?

    10. Re:This was long overdue by LeftCoastThinker · · Score: 1

      This exactly. The CEO on down the chain to the individual employees who facilitated fraud need to be charged with felony wire fraud and face 10 years in the federal pen. On top of this, Western Union should be required to provide a full refund to every fraudulent transaction that they facilitated to the victims since their employees were helping facilitate the fraud. If it were truly 1 in 100,000 as they claim, they should be able to absorb the costs easily. If this bankrupts them, tough shit, don't let your employees perpetrate fraud.

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    11. Re:This was long overdue by tibit · · Score: 1

      Speeding is not allowed either.

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    12. Re:This was long overdue by ScienceofSpock · · Score: 1

      ...and is irrelevant to this discussion. I assume you are trying to make the point that just because something is not allowed doesn't mean people aren't going to do it. You're right, but so what? Ebay doesn't allow it because the risk of fraud is too high and they cannot control it. If you go around that rule and you get screwed, it's your own damn fault.

      If you are buying from people on ebay that will not use paypal and insist on using western union, you should find another seller because you are probably going to get screwed.

    13. Re: This was long overdue by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How does one go about collecting a payment

  2. So where are the criminal convictions? by Bearhouse · · Score: 2

    Pay a fine, get off free?
    Hope they follow-up in parallel with a criminal case.

    1. Re:So where are the criminal convictions? by mysidia · · Score: 1

      Tell them that next time the fine will be $200,000 per complaint, or ~$10 Billion.

    2. Re:So where are the criminal convictions? by swb · · Score: 5, Interesting

      It's a large fine, but my question is why weren't the senior executives charged under the RICO laws and given the 20 year jail sentences and $100k per incident personal fines?

      Why is it that if you're running under a corporate charter that you're excluded from being defined as running an ongoing criminal enterprise?

    3. Re:So where are the criminal convictions? by geekmux · · Score: 0

      Pay a fine, get off free? Hope they follow-up in parallel with a criminal case.

      Criminal punishment?

      For those who lobby to face is a slap-on-the-wrist fine, to ensure corporate crime is worth repeating?

      The legalized weed movement is growing, so I don't even have to ask what you've been smoking.

    4. Re:So where are the criminal convictions? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I demand basic income to pay for my weed.

    5. Re:So where are the criminal convictions? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's a US company, so there won't be a criminal case. A more than symbolic fine is already quite something.

    6. Re:So where are the criminal convictions? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They'll still do it, they'll just be ready to jump jobs before the ruling.

      The only solution is long jail periods with no plea deals.

    7. Re: So where are the criminal convictions? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I demand weed.

    8. Re:So where are the criminal convictions? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why is it that if you're running under a corporate charter that you're excluded from being defined as running an ongoing criminal enterprise?

      Yeah, especially post "Citizen's United" where corporations are people too...

      I am sure that Trump will fix it. He'll fix everything.

    9. Re:So where are the criminal convictions? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Its not that large a fine considering a quarterly revenue of 3 times that amount! Its a bullshit slap on the wrist.

    10. Re:So where are the criminal convictions? by Anonymous+Cow+Ward · · Score: 1

      Some criminal cases have already been successfully carried out.

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    11. Re:So where are the criminal convictions? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why not? it's called weed because it is a weed and should be dirt cheap if it is legal - but that would cut into the highly profitable legal drug business. Plus don't forget about a big reason it was banned in the first place: the cotton growers association.

      Keeping losers doing nothing giggling all day is better than having to work with the lazy bums... or the ones who are unhappy and get into crime to buy stuff they don't need. Give them pot and watch their ambitions die. Better yet, how about free pot for life for being made sterile! No more neglected unwanted kids to grow into criminals! It'll be the biggest drop in crime since they legalized abortion! (see Freakanomics or the many studies that show the strongest connection ever found on crime rates. )

      No, I actually never touched drugs despite lots of opportunity. I don't drink either. Sugar... that is my poison...

    12. Re:So where are the criminal convictions? by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      but my question is why weren't the senior executives charged under the RICO laws

      Usually because people who are calling for someone to be charged under RICO laws don't have a clue how RICO laws work.

    13. Re:So where are the criminal convictions? by swb · · Score: 1

      Maybe explain it to me like I'm 5 how RICO doesn't cover an organized conspiracy to facilitate money laundering.

      If these guys were named Juarez or Gambino they'd have so many bugs and wiretaps on them the fucking ISS could detect a warp in the Earth's magnetic field.

      But because they're corporate executives they get to pay a fine and nobody goes to jail.

    14. Re:So where are the criminal convictions? by thegarbz · · Score: 1
  3. only $586M ? by v1nce29 · · Score: 0

    this should less than 6 months of scam

  4. Education! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Whoever falls for a scam involving sending money via Western Union is a retard. Educating people should be preferred to fining Western Union.

    1. Re:Education! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sorry but that's contradictory. Someone who is retarded can't learn not to fall for scams and thus needs FTC to punish Western Union instead. Educating people who can't learn is an exercise in futility.

    2. Re:Education! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, obviously, if someone is so retarded, he should be proclaimed legally incapable and such transactions would then be null and void.

    3. Re:Education! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Really? Shit, I'm going full retard to get all my debts erased! Fuck me, this is better than bankruptcy. Never pay bills again.

  5. Re:In Trump America by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    In Obama America WU supported the Nigerian scammers

  6. Close all WU branches in Nigeria by TheDarkMaster · · Score: 2, Informative

    This may do the trick

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    1. Re:Close all WU branches in Nigeria by gmack · · Score: 1

      Doubtful. The scammers will just route the payment through another country. The only actual result would be that immigrants would be unable to send money to their extended families.

    2. Re:Close all WU branches in Nigeria by TheDarkMaster · · Score: 1

      Look that, two nigerian scammers modded me offtopic... :-)

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    3. Re:Close all WU branches in Nigeria by TheDarkMaster · · Score: 1

      I think you did not get the idea... Nigeria is usually where scammers are in person, if there are no WU agencies in Nigeria they would have to go to other countries to collect the money and so the scam would be more expensive or even impossible. To legitimate money transfers one should use common banks (I know, it's a pain in the ass to use them but it's a lot more secure than using the WU).

      All said, you also should not take my suggestion to the letter because I wrote it with a touch of humor in the middle. If you would prefer a literal suggestion then my suggestion would be that no one should be allowed to send money to Nigeria (or any other country perhaps) without having a sender and a recipient duly identified that can be held liable for fraud if they happen.

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    4. Re:Close all WU branches in Nigeria by gmack · · Score: 1

      I think you did not get the idea... Nigeria is usually where scammers are in person, if there are no WU agencies in Nigeria they would have to go to other countries to collect the money and so the scam would be more expensive or even impossible. To legitimate money transfers one should use common banks (I know, it's a pain in the ass to use them but it's a lot more secure than using the WU).

      Some of the scammers are in Nigeria. They have been caught running the scams out of other countries and there are payment systems that specialize in transferring ill gotten money. Common banks don't always work either because some areas just don't have reliable/trustworthy banks. The single most legitimate use for WU is for immigrants to send money back to their extended families in their home countries.

      All said, you also should not take my suggestion to the letter because I wrote it with a touch of humor in the middle. If you would prefer a literal suggestion then my suggestion would be that no one should be allowed to send money to Nigeria (or any other country perhaps) without having a sender and a recipient duly identified that can be held liable for fraud if they happen.

      Closer to a good idea provided it doesn't interfere with their intended use. A better idea would be for the agent to ask how the person knows you and what the money is for, but then the last time I sent a WU transfer (friend I met while travelling in Europe, met through someone I met who works at the Red Cross needed emergency money) The agent at the local store was just a cashier who had access to the WU terminal and had no training whatsoever.

    5. Re:Close all WU branches in Nigeria by TheDarkMaster · · Score: 1

      Closer to a good idea provided it doesn't interfere with their intended use. A better idea would be for the agent to ask how the person knows you and what the money is for, but then the last time I sent a WU transfer (friend I met while travelling in Europe, met through someone I met who works at the Red Cross needed emergency money) The agent at the local store was just a cashier who had access to the WU terminal and had no training whatsoever.

      Uh... You still have the basic problem of WU: How you will find the recipient if the transaction was a fraud? Anyone can get the money if he or she has the transaction identifier and the WU does not even require an identification (driver licence, social security number, etc) of who appears to receive the money. I described the bank as a better idea here because usually a person to be able to have a bank account needs to be found, he or she needs an address.

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    6. Re:Close all WU branches in Nigeria by gmack · · Score: 1

      Your solution is based on assumptions drawn from living in a first world country and having money. Also, when I used it, there was a security question they would ask the recipient (in my case it was where we met) Even in the US, many people are unable to open bank accounts (too poor, bad credit etc) and it's even worse in poor countries where it is even harder to get a bank account. WU's main market is money transfers to people without bank accounts.

  7. Re:In Trump America by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Never go back to black.

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    Comment removed based on user account deletion

  9. online casinos used to use western union as well! by Joe_Dragon · · Score: 1

    online casinos used to use western union as well!

  10. No fraud by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    No fraud here. Move along....

  11. 1 in 10000? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Surly they have that backwards. Only 1 in 10000 was legitimate. Seriously, who here has ever used western union?

    1. Re:1 in 10000? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Western Union is like PayPal for greatgrandpa.

    2. Re:1 in 10000? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I've used it twice in 37yrs.
      Both times was due to forgetting to drop a check for the car payment in the mail.

    3. Re:1 in 10000? by tomhath · · Score: 1

      I've seen lines of (apparently) Mexican men lined up at Western Union counters in the local supermarket. I assume it's their preferred method for sending money home.

  12. Re:In Trump America by Deadstick · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Matter of fact, back during the GWB administration, my local supermarket had a WU advertising poster offering a discount rate on money transfers to Nigeria. Now we don't have any unusual concentration of Nigerian immigrants here -- most of the money transfers go to Mexico -- so the only visible motivation for this offer was to cash in on the Nigerian scam.

    And knowing the intelligence level of the target market, the poster added that WU would give the customer less than the going currency exchange rate and keep the difference.

    The poster came down in 2008.

  13. This fine is WAY under what it should be by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Until it becomes unprofitable it will continue. They made BILLIONS on this. To them it's just cost of business.

  14. Government Payday by sycodon · · Score: 3, Interesting

    1. Does the $586 Million cover the losses of the individuals that were scammed?
    2. Will they get it or is this a big, fat payday for the Government? (Hint: usually is)

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    1. Re:Government Payday by barbariccow · · Score: 4, Informative

      1. Does the $586 Million cover the losses of the individuals that were scammed? 2. Will they get it or is this a big, fat payday for the Government? (Hint: usually is)

      Yes, it's for the individuals.

      From the report:

      Persons who believe they were victims of the fraud scheme should visit the Department of Justice’s victim website at https://www.justice.gov/crimin... for instructions on how to request compensation through the Victim Asset Recovery Program.

    2. Re:Government Payday by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That in and of itself doesn't mean a whole lot. I have a friend who has diabetes, the last time the subject came up he related the insane difficulty of qualifying for any of the "if you can't afford your medication we can help" coupons. And this is coming from someone whose post high school schooling background is in accounting. Anyone can "offer" to help, and then throw up so many blockades that those who could benefit have a difficult time qualifying, and even those who do qualify may give up after the second ream of paper work they have to fill out.

  15. What's the point of Western Union? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I've never understood it. Why would someone use Western Union to transfer money instead of a normal bank transfer?

    1. Re:What's the point of Western Union? by Zontar+The+Mindless · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I've discovered that quite a few folks in the US think that an offer to pay them via bank transfer is a sure indicator that I'm trying to scam them, or seeking to hack into their bank account.

      Not to mention all the places in the US that *require* payment via cheque or other paper instrument. WTF? Is it still, like, 1975 there? Seriously--I've not written a cheque in close to 20 years, but on a recent visit there, I was obliged to buy some money orders because that was the only alternative they'd accept other than me coming in personally with a big wad of cash!

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    2. Re:What's the point of Western Union? by Wycliffe · · Score: 1

      I've never understood it. Why would someone use Western Union to transfer money instead of a normal bank transfer?

      I think the legitimate use for it is for emergencies. If you break down 1000 miles from home and need money to get home, you call your dad collect and have them send you money via western union. My dad was a truck driver and they always used comcheck which is a similar system where money could be transferred instantly. The other semi legitimate use is to send money more easily across international lines. Western union is kindof like hawala. The idea is that you can give person A at one location $100 and person A can call person B at another location to instantly release the money. There is no need to wait to have the money verified, physically transferred, etc... because person A trusts person B. Most of their regular customers seem to be this later category. It seems to be a lot of illegals and foreigners sending money abroad.

    3. Re:What's the point of Western Union? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      While that all probably made lots of sense decades ago when there were no international bank transfers, nowadays it sounds quite complicated and involved compared to just entering a transaction in an online banking system, which is usually free and if not, probably cheaper than paying a third party such as Western Union.

    4. Re:What's the point of Western Union? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think the thing is the instant portion. I've never used a bank anywhere on the globe that provided instant money transfers. In my experience (and contrary to CrashNBrn below), the US banking system is fairly consistent with the rest of the world where an online transfer takes in the order of 24-72 hours to clear. I've heard where US banking becomes a pain is a lot of the federal regulations which can create an undo paperwork load which leads to a lot of foreign banks to refuse to work with US banks.

    5. Re:What's the point of Western Union? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Illegals do not want to do the bank transfer route as they would need legitimate documents in order to establish a bank account.

    6. Re:What's the point of Western Union? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I moved out of the US and have to transfer money back and forth from time to time. My nonUS bank can transfer money internationally, for free, to 50 some countries. The US is not one of them, where transfers are expensive and take days to go through. It is cheaper to just mail a check to the bank, and when lucky, that is just as fast (but more often is slower). This wouldn't be an option if you needed the transfer to someone quicker, especially if they didn't have a checking account.

    7. Re:What's the point of Western Union? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My bank wants $30-50 for SWIFT transfers, and they take days to go through. I've even gotten in trouble once, paying the $20 for a domestic electronic transfer, and then finding out it took 5 days to go through. Mailing a check would have been faster and cheaper.

    8. Re:What's the point of Western Union? by gmack · · Score: 1

      You are making the assumption that the recipient has internet access, a bank account and a reliable place to withdraw the money. The whole advantage of Western Union is that it becomes instant cash on the other side so the recipient doesn't need anything other than the ability to show up in person at some office with the required information. I have rarely seen Western Union used between two countries with reliable banking systems.

    9. Re:What's the point of Western Union? by erikscott · · Score: 1

      The big business doing this now is Wal-Mart and their "Woodforest Bank" branches inside the store - deposit in one town, withdraw in another. Fuel is still mostly bought, and loads are usually still paid for with cash, especially among independents, but most towns have a Wal-mart and drivers are rarely going down the road with $3-4K in the cab anymore.

    10. Re:What's the point of Western Union? by barbariccow · · Score: 1

      There's an app (and website) called "Square Cash" (different than the Square credit-card readers). If you enter a debit card, people can send you money, and you can send it instantly to your bank. I guess it works like a reverse-charge (like when you return an item). But it's instant. I haven't seen this offered elsewhere though.

    11. Re:What's the point of Western Union? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I personally write only one check (US spelling) a month, and that's to my landlord for the rent. And that's simply because I haven't found a way to pay it electronically without going through my bank,

    12. Re:What's the point of Western Union? by petermgreen · · Score: 1

      Bank transfers have a few issues.

      1. While in-country transfers are usually free or cheap and easy to perform international transfers are often expensive and awkward.
      2. At least the US and the UK have direct debit systems which work based on bank account numbers and have little security. This makes people reluctant to give out their bank account numbers.
      3. Poor people often don't have bank accounts. This goes double for poor people living in poor countries or poor people living as illegal immigrants in rich countries.
      4. Bank transfers can be slow. This is especially true for international transfers.

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    13. Re:What's the point of Western Union? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Organizations expect cash or checks for large transactions because of two things:

      1. Percentage fees. If you pay by card then they lose a percentage. Some places, like my university, still allow paying by card but with the purchaser paying the fee. For my case that would be around $300 per semester, so (electronic) check* it is.

      2. People can reverse transactions relatively easily with cards. You wouldn't want to be a car salesman, sell a car, then two days later the purchase processor takes the money back. Then it's court costs and lawyer fees to get it back.

      *Do you use electronic checks? They are basically direct wire transfers from one bank to another, free everywhere I look. They are still called electronic checks because they mostly use checking accounts, but any account will work if your bank allows it.

    14. Re:What's the point of Western Union? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I do just that, I go through my Credit Union's bill pay service which allows me to send funds any to account number and address I wish. 99% of the time they have other customers set up with this payee already and it is set up as an EFT. But, for that 1% (or when my mortgage gets sold to yet another company), for a while it'll be a paper check getting cut and mailed by their bill pay service. The difference is that it takes 5 business days, and to have it always make it to the payee on time, add 2 more US Postal days (not business days, but days when the mail flows). Again, for those "new" services, typically within a couple months it'll convert from a paper check to EFT when they get enough customers paying the same thing.

      The best part with my CU is that they don't charge for bill pay services at all, so long as you use the service once a month. The only reason they require some use of the service is that it does cost the CU per customer signed up for it as they outsource it.

      For me the only current paper check getting cut is for child support. Looking forward to going paperless in 1 year and 5 months.

    15. Re:What's the point of Western Union? by Dracos · · Score: 1

      Is it still, like, 1975 there?

      Close. Through at least 1999, WU still operated on a mainframe that had been in service since 1974. There were scores of filing cabinets full of microfiche bundled with rubber bands.

      For a company based on what was once high tech, they've been deathly afraid of it for a long, long time.

  16. not all of them by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    The agent in my local town stopped my dad from sending $1500 to a "friend in need" that contacted him by text message. I told him it was a scam before he tried to transfer. He was upset that they didn't let him send money. I told him to CALL his friend, and that was the last I heard about it.

  17. Anecdote about Western Union by MobyDisk · · Score: 4, Interesting

    My mother-in-law got a phone call saying that she owed back taxes and would be arrested if she didn't pay. Now, this is a woman who has no income other than her pension. She went to a Western Union and tried to transfer money to pay the fraudster, and the agent refused to let her send the money. She was furious, and called my wife, who fortunately told her mom that she is an idiot who should thank the agent.

    If this is the kind of fraud they are talking about, I sympathize with Western Union. How exactly do they determine what is fraudulent, and what should they do?

    The ftc.gov filing says:

    Western Union’s failure to comply with anti-money laundering laws provided fraudsters and other criminals with a means to transfer criminal proceeds and victimize innocent people

    Can anyone post what those "anti-money laundering laws" say? I am curious how the average Western Union employee would really know if something is fraud, and deal with it.

    1. Re: Anecdote about Western Union by chispito · · Score: 0

      Sounds like your mother in law got a good one. I haven't read the article because I'm on my phone and can't right now, but perhaps WU does not adequately train their employees to recognize fraud.

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    2. Re:Anecdote about Western Union by cdrudge · · Score: 2

      Did you read the actual complaint? Your questions are mainly answered there.

    3. Re:Anecdote about Western Union by Kkloe · · Score: 1

      Aint laundering money that you have obtained money illegally and try to make it legit, that the money is from frauds is a completely different thing.
      I dont know what the law says but it is probably that they didnt take enough information from the people sending money and that they didnt check the ones receiving it, basically didnt take valid ID's on the sender or reciever, can be also that they failed to report to the government that person or wu office X was sending/receiving Y money(if there are limits when they have to report that) within a certain period of time.

    4. Re: Anecdote about Western Union by magarity · · Score: 2

      perhaps WU does not adequately train their employees to recognize fraud.

      That in itself is problematic. How many WU employees are the ones at the counter selling the service in the US? Usually its the supermarket customer service desk or quick mart employees, not WU employees.

    5. Re:Anecdote about Western Union by MobyDisk · · Score: 1

      No, I'm looking at it now. I think you are right, the details are there.

    6. Re:Anecdote about Western Union by barbariccow · · Score: 1

      Can anyone post what those "anti-money laundering laws" say?

      The article lists a couple. Like, you have to report transactions larger than $10,000 in a single day. So the agents would break them up for the people so they would not be reported. And they got a cut of the scam money for always helping them out. Western Union didn't stop these people because they were high-volume, and thus high-profit.

    7. Re:Anecdote about Western Union by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I haven't used Western Union in a while. But a few years after 9/11/2001 I needed to transfer some money out of the USA. And Western Union was one of the only reliable ways to do it. In theory, if you had a bank account with a US bank then they could do a wire transfer to a foreign bank account. But sometimes the bank would agree to do the transfer and sometime they wouldn't - totally random and unreliable. So, anyway, as a freedom loving American, I have a bit of a soft spot in my heart for Western Union - one of the few institutions that was willing to take a stand against the ridiculous bureaucracy of the day - to allow me to do what I wanted with my own money.

    8. Re:Anecdote about Western Union by operagost · · Score: 1

      We are such a bunch of nerds. We're looking up money laundering on Slashdot.

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    9. Re:Anecdote about Western Union by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There have been stories for years about how obscure Western Union outlets, escalate in activity and profitability beyond all reason. When a single WU office generates more revenue than all the other offices in an entire state or province, an honest WU manager needs to audit that location. A dishonest WU manager will go "oh great, my annual bonus is gonna be HHUUUUGGGGGEEEE!"

      It usually turns out that a criminal gang is working out of that location.

      Another thing. If the same customers turn up, with astonishing frequency, at a WU office, maybe they aren't just getting birthday money from grandma. Maybe they are getting fraudulent money from hundreds of grandmas.

      That's just off the top of my head in answer to, " how the average Western Union employee would really know if something is fraud".

    10. Re:Anecdote about Western Union by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      >I am curious how the average Western Union employee would really know if something is fraud, and deal with it.

      Well you are right, the average staffer would not know atoo much about international money laundering & Ponzi schemes on their own, but their employer will. And will make it their business to inform staff mainly to CYA and yes for customers too I guess. Corporate will set up trainings, pass out pamphlets, and remind employees what to look out for. You get the idea...

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  18. Re:R-i-g-h-t by Highdude702 · · Score: 1

    You're so stupid it's disgusting.

  19. Translation: by Opportunist · · Score: 2

    Government to WU: We've been watching you aid criminals all over the world, for years, and we didn't say anything, but enough is enough!

    We want a cut.

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    1. Re:Translation: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The money is going to people that got scammed.

  20. Ass Backwards Banking in America by CrashNBrn · · Score: 1

    Compared to every other first-world country, the US is ass-backwards when it comes to banking and health care. Western Union itself is an entrenched buggy-whip maker that isn't necessary anywhere in the world except for the US, as unlike every other first-world country you CANNOT do a general bank-transfer to another person/company in the US - the exception being that some banks (like Chase) allow for bank transfers to other Chase customers.

    1. Re:Ass Backwards Banking in America by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Wow. So how do Americans receive their salaries and pay their bills? Or pay back e.g. a friend or a colleague?

    2. Re:Ass Backwards Banking in America by tomhath · · Score: 1

      unlike every other first-world country you CANNOT do a general bank-transfer to another person/company in the US

      What world do you live in? I have accounts at a few different banks, they all support online transfers.

    3. Re:Ass Backwards Banking in America by Anonymous+Cow+Ward · · Score: 1

      as unlike every other first-world country you CANNOT do a general bank-transfer to another person/company in the US

      This is false. I've done that plenty of times. Where are you getting your information?

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    4. Re:Ass Backwards Banking in America by gmack · · Score: 1

      Wow. So how do Americans receive their salaries and pay their bills?

      Salaries are usually sent by a payment service (large CSV file sent to the banks with a list of bank transfers to preform) Bill payments are generally the reverse of that (CSV sent to the bank pulling money from a list of accounts) or by credit card. None of those are designed for person to person transfers.

      Or pay back e.g. a friend or a colleague?

      Cash, Cheque, or PayPal

      The whole North American system is pretty screwed up with Canada only being a marginal improvement over the American system.

      Here in Canada, my bank allows me to send personal transfers but generally get annoyed if I use it for anything other than close friends or family. We have email Interac for sending personal money (it costs $1) but that seems intentionally crippled so that people don't get the idea to use it as a payment system. It is also a phishing attack waiting to happen since it sends a URL to click and then enter your bank details

    5. Re:Ass Backwards Banking in America by naris · · Score: 1

      you CANNOT do a general bank-transfer to another person/company in the US - the exception being that some banks (like Chase) allow for bank transfers to other Chase customers.

      This assertion is not true. A very large number of people (including myself and most of the employees at my wife's restaurant) are paid by direct deposit into their back accounts. I also use external transfers from my credit union to transfer money to my son's bank account and that of my wife's restaurant.

    6. Re:Ass Backwards Banking in America by CrashNBrn · · Score: 1

      Direct Deposit is not a "Bank Transfer" from a person to a person. The company in question has your checking information.
      A Bank Transfer of funds, c.f. Canadian Banks email money transfer - does not give out (or require) your checking information nor your "Debit Card".

  21. Re:In Trump America by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The poster came down in 2008.

    Obama took office in 2009.

  22. Big whoop by p51d007 · · Score: 1

    586 million dollar fine, versus how much Western Union made, turning a blind eye to this money laundering.

    1. Re:Big whoop by Luthair · · Score: 1

      Less than that on the transfers with complaints. If you do the math 550 982 complaints * $1148 = $632 527 336, so the fine is most of the money they transferred on these complaints not just their 5% (or whatever it is).

    2. Re:Big whoop by whoever57 · · Score: 1

      So when will the executives pay back their bonuses for their mismanagement of the company?

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    3. Re: Big whoop by Luthair · · Score: 1

      Well really the who knew about the issue and failed to deal with it should go to jail as accessories, but we all know that will never happen.

  23. Re:In Trump America by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Nigerians being dishonest, and being behind loads of e-mail scams? Never! That's 'racist'!

    There, fixed that for ya.

  24. Class action? by phorm · · Score: 1

    Now that they've been fined by gov't, I wonder if we're likely to see a class-action follow by all the people that've been victims of WU's pandering to fraudsters? One doesn't exclude the other, after all (actually, I'd imagine a regulatory fine might be useful to a lawyer in a class-action).

    1. Re:Class action? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You don't need to go to court. You file an online form (or contact by phone, or in person) the DOJ and tell them that you're entitled to some of it. Then you go through a process where you prove that you sent money and got scammed, and you get your cut.

  25. Re:In Trump America by trawg · · Score: 4, Informative

    Wow. I was curious to see if I could find a copy of this poster so did a quick search.

    I couldn't find the poster searching for "western union nigeria poster", but this link - titled "Send money to Nigeria" - is totally lacking any kind of warning. Maybe Nigerian spam has petered out a bit recently but it still seems like there should be at least a warning in the footnotes!

  26. Re:R-i-g-h-t by barbariccow · · Score: 1

    You're so stupid it's disgusting.

    I agree. Doesn't parent know that politicians, big-business people, and mafioso all exchange suitcases full of cash? They don't use western union. They have some bald guy handcuff it to his wrist and carry it over.

  27. Re:In Trump America by edtice1559 · · Score: 1

    Did you actually ever check whether or not they completed the transactions? In most WU US offices, they attempt to figure out scams and warn about them. The agents won't gain anything if you fall for a scam so they generally will do everything they can to not take the business. On the Nigerian side, the agents would probably just insist on a cut. And WU should notice that certain agents accept all transactions in Nigeria while others routinely reject them. They will know because it's unusual for somebody to receive multiple high-dollar transfers in a short period of time and should flag the transactions.

  28. Re:In Trump America by Anubis+IV · · Score: 1

    Which is probably why he said "during the GWB administration", given that it was still in office in 2008.

    Though, honestly, I doubt either administration had anything to do with any of this stuff. This is corporate fraud, plain and simple, and that happens under every administration.

  29. Re:In Trump America by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    as a tangent to that, I noticed that the local grocery store near me has a sign to advise people that people asking for gift cards to pay bail, fines, or taxes is probably a scam.

  30. Which executive knew about which fraudulent transa by raymorris · · Score: 1

    Which executive knew about which charge being fraudulent? If you can prove that a specific person committed a specific crime at a specific time, you can charge them.

    Otherwise, it's not too different from "some people on Reddit probably did $BAD_THING, so lock up all of the people on Reddit".

  31. They seem to take it seriously now, at least... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Having had to make a wire transfer to a relative living for a year in an African country (not Nigeria), I can say that they're checking fairly thoroughly recently. (e.g. after paying cash and showing ID, I had to call their 800 number and answer a bunch of questions - when I finally figured out what it was about and said "no, I'm not being scammed by someone on the internet" they let the transfer go through)

  32. Re:Which executive knew about which fraudulent tra by swb · · Score: 1

    Isn't that the fucking FBI's job? To investigate all that shit, with their high-powered forensics and iPhone cracking, etc?

    I mean, I can accept that nobody gets charged (in the same manner that a battered woman takes the next beating, because she's used to it), but at the same time the FTC announces a half-billion dollar fine for money laundering and we don't even HEAR about the ongoing FBI investigation into criminal culpability?

    And spare me the "who committed what specific act" -- isn't the point of being an officer of a corporation accepting general liability for misbehavior?

  33. Re:Which executive knew about which fraudulent tra by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Are you playing the "I'm a mouthbreathing retard" defense, or is that your default state?

    Someone there is in charge of creating and/or continuing the policy that allowed this to happen for years (since it's been going on so long, it's entirely possible whoever started it is long dead). Willful ignorance by instructing employees to ignore Red Flag or KYC regulations should not fly, but sadly there's a long history of the courts saying "well golly gee, I guess we can't hold people with single digit IQs responsible!"

    But hey, if you're a fan of government regulation, keep on keeping on. This is how we got nearly all of the regulations we've got so far: "hurr hurr nobody told me I had to check so I didn't durr" and then they sell children's cough syrup made with antifreeze, and now we have the FDA.

  34. uhm, no by raymorris · · Score: 1

    > Isn't that the fucking FBI's job? To investigate all that shit, with their high-powered forensics and iPhone cracking, etc?

    Yes, job of the FBI (and really more state police) is to investigate and get evidence regarding people who committed crimes. That was done, and the people who committed criminal acts, for which there sufficient evidence, are facing criminal charges.

    You've said that "senior executives" have committed crimes, and even specified what sentence they should receive. Is there any evidence that they committed any crime? I don't suppose you happen to even know so much as the names of the people you've already convicted? Your logic seems to be "if someone is at executive, they must have committed some crimes, and those crimes deserve a sentence of 20 years". Fortunately, our justice system doesn't work that way.

    > isn't the point of being an officer of a corporation, accepting general liability for misbehavior?

    Uhm, no ... Da fuck? No, the job of an officer of a corporation is not in fact to go to jail whenever any employee commits a crime. Not sure where you got that idea. Maybe because that *is* a significant part of the whole point of creating a corporation in the first place - you can fine the corporation, or sue the corporation, without having to identify which individual employees did what, who knew what, when, etc. If misdeeds were done in order to enhance corporate profits, you punish or recover from the corporation itself. That makes it much easier to sue or punish, when you can sue or punish the business rather than trying to prove that vice president Smith said this on this particular day, etc.

  35. Protecting stupid is costly and stupid by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What we end up with when we protect stupid is a nanny state that is costly, inefficient, and dependent on violence for the purpose of social and political goals. The majority of the poor are poor explicitly because the government deprives individuals of about 50% of their income through a variety of means. Renters pay property taxes through their landlords. They pay vehicular registration taxes (high in some states), sales taxes, prepared food taxes, import taxes (indirectly), and various other forms of fees and taxes. Arrested? Pay a fine, court fees, and so on, often despite there being no victim. If we eliminated the police, schools, shrunk the military and pulled out of foreign wars/lands, and left people to cover there own security/schooling/etc we'd all be much better off financially. The poor might not be insured, but they'd at least be able to eat and have a place to live. Compared to how things are now where people end up forced onto health insurance they can't afford to pay (but is stolen from their paycheck) and end up on the street/starving and we call this a civilized society. I know because my partner was in this exact situation. And that "free" health insurance isn't free- and doesn't even work- when you are 40 miles from any doctor (despite being in a city at the heart of health care for the region) and have no means of transportation (and then being turned down because the doctor stopped taking it between the week you inquired and made the appointment and the actual appointment, and I'm shocked they didn't try to go after him for the bill for the appointment made).

  36. WU payments by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    How does one go about collecting an award? Or is this class action? Anyone know?