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Foxconn Considers $7 Billion Screen Factory In US, Which Could Create Up To 50,000 Jobs (arstechnica.com)
An anonymous reader quotes a report from Ars Technica: Foxconn, the Taiwanese contract manufacturing company best known for its partnership with Apple, has said that it is mulling a $7 billion investment in U.S. manufacturing that could create between 30,000 and 50,000 jobs. According to The Wall Street Journal, Foxconn Chairman Terry Gou says the company is talking with the state of Pennsylvania among others about getting the land and electricity subsidies it would need to build a factory. "If U.S. state governments are willing to provide these terms, and we calculate and it is cheaper than shipping from China or Japan, then why wouldn't Sharp build a factory in the U.S.?" said Gou. The factory would build flat-panel screens under the Sharp name -- Foxconn bought Sharp around this time last year for $5.1 billion. Sharp President Tai Jeng-wu hinted in October of 2016 that U.S. manufacturing could be a possibility for Sharp, and he also indicated that Apple could begin using OLED display panels in future iPhones. Apple currently uses OLED in the Apple Watch and in the new MacBook Pro's Touch Bar, but otherwise it hasn't pushed to adopt the technology as some Android phone manufacturers have.
Trump! Trump! Trump!
I worry with all the changes over the last year that something is going to give. I'd prefer Japan keep control. Although jobs for the US is a super nice thing for us.
Sad to see the Trump MAGA's once again fooled by companies recycling old press releases.
I'm suspicious. I can't wait to divide the total $ in subsidies by the number of workers. that's how much tax payer money will be used to "buy" these jobs.
No way flat screen manufacture is going to create 50k permanent jobs.
"the company is talking with the state of Pennsylvania among others about getting the land and electricity subsidies it would need to build a factory"
You are welcome on my lawn.
I wish these numbers were better broken down.
How many construction workers are going to get jobs building the factory?
How many jobs are going to be people on the line doing line work?
How many jobs are going to be people in control booths running the massive machines cranking out screens?
Also, unless you're going to also be building a phone factory here as well, it seems a bit short sighted to make the screens here, but the cpu's in China or Korea and the bodies who knows where? China?
Until I see a bulldozer breaking ground I think Foxconn is just blowing smoke up JDT's ass.
Yes Francis, the world has gone crazy.
*considers* and *could* are not the same as *is and *will*
is talking with the state of Pennsylvania among others about getting the land and electricity subsidies
I'm sure with Pennsylvania's current $600 million budget deficit the folks in Harrisburg will be more than willing to hand over tens of millions of dollars in subsidies with a payback timeframe of decades.
Who wouldn't?
We will bankrupt ourselves in the vain search for absolute security. -- Dwight D. Eisenhower
Like a comedian said lately "I need a job to get decent money, not to be occupied. I can keep myself busy all by myself just fine".
Are those jobs paying enough to live off them?
We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
And why would they do that? It strikes me that no sane company would go around intentionally trying to piss off the executive branch of any government they were thinking of making an investment in.
The world's burning. Moped Jesus spotted on I50. Details at 11.
Lets say Trump makes this and another equivalent deal creating 100,000 jobs. Claims for first-time unemployment benefits are around 250,000* monthly. How much time a month should our president dedicating to deal-making with private industry and at what cost to tax payers?
* https://www.dol.gov/ui/data.pd...
I don't know that it's fair to attribute this to Trump (and I voted for him). However, even if it was, why would this make anyone sad? Are you so partisan that you would actually lament the fact that 50,000 people in Pennsylvania are going to have new jobs? Have you become so cold and heartless that you would have people suffer just to advance your own political agenda?
I'm old enough to remember a time when the Democratic Party stood up for the working class; when they were the party of compassion; when they stood up for civil liberties like free speech. Sadly, the party has long since left all that (and me) behind. And if the last election was any indication, a lot of people in formerly blue states think the party has left them behind too, states like Pennsylvania.
SJW: Someone who has run out of real oppression, and has to fake it.
They can seal the deal by offering the use of their parking lot for Uber drivers.
One shift at Foxconn. One shift at Uber. One shift sleeping in the parking lot.
Trump or not, it's sure good to see at least some jobs moving in the other direction for once.
SJW: Someone who has run out of real oppression, and has to fake it.
Let's see... New factory to build displays in the US, but all the phone and computer manufacturing is where the existing factories are in SE Asia... Not very economically smart.
Apple doesn't build computers here, so why would they source screens here, ship them to China, then bring back the finished product? Or is Foxconn also planning an assembly plant here, where the display-less iPhones are assembled here?
It's about time that the Chinese multinational's took advantage of all the low cost American labor available this side of the pond.
Will it have suicide nets?
That is more like it goes. Even if many companies currently are trying to suck up to Trump, they actually have no intentions to follow-through.
Most ACs are not even worth the keystrokes to insult them. Be generically insulted by this and ignored otherwise.
If Foxconn executives have a clue on how to run a business, they have considered total costs and risks. Six months ago, there was a big question mark: there was a 70% chance that it was about to become more difficult and expensive to operate in the US, because the "fuck corporations, tax and regulate them to death!" party was likely to take control of the legislative and regulatory machinery. That would mean they could expect costs and time frames to increase. There was a 30% chance that the more business-friendly party would take power, with a president focused on making it easier to produce things in the US. Unless the Foxconn executives are idiots, six ago they were saying "let's wait until at least November to make a definite decision".
A few years ago, Obama's own radio ads had him promising to "go after corporations". Hillary promised to "put a lot of companies out of business". Foxconn can hear those promises.
The election of Trump and Republican control of Congress, along with Trump's actions since the election show companies, including Foxconn, that the US wants jobs here, and we're not going try to "put a lot of people out of business". That has to influence their decision, if they are competent executives. Given Foxconn's success, it appears that Foxconn executives are in fact competent, they do have a clue - so they pay attention to the political and regulatory trends before committing $7 billion.
Because many recognize that just one number like "50k jobs" isn't the only number that matters. How much is the State giving away in freebies of taxpayer money to subsidize these jobs? How permanent are these jobs? If it's a large subsidy for temporary (like construction) jobs which will dry up long before the return-on-investment has been reached, the State would be better off just hiring these workers themselves to do something more long-lasting instead of having Foxconn skim off the top, make a killing in profit with very little cost, only to layoff these workers in a few years.
The problem with Trump and most of his campaign is that he's promising a quick, easy solution to a difficult problem: how do American workers stay competitive in a stage of increasingly easier global shipments? This is yet another example of something that feels good in the short term but can be a terrible deal in the long term.
I'd like to know who injected the "could" in could create 50,000 jobs. Because they "could" also be automated by then and that may be what Foxconn has in mind. More expensive to have labor close to the market, but much cheaper to have automated manufacturing closer to the market.
Laws are rules for the court, but merely a bottom bar to hit for life. Think beyond laws in your actions always.
They better watch it - Foxconn is thinking of opening a $7 Billion display screen factory in the USA, on top of $50 Billion, and you know darned well that fear of Trump putting duties on them is part of it.
Foxconn, the world's largest contract electronics maker, is considering setting up a display-making plant in the United States in an investment that would exceed $7 billion, company chairman and chief executive Terry Gou said on Sunday.
The plans come after U.S. President Donald Trump pledged to put "America First" in his inauguration speech on Friday, prompting Gou to warn about the rise of protectionism and a trend for politics to underpin economic development.
You really have to admit that 30-50k new jobs is significant.
Gou said he told Son that the United States has no panel-making industry but it is the second-largest market for televisions. An investment for a display plant would exceed $7 billion and could create about 30,000-50,000 jobs, Gou told Son.
You can hate on him all you want, but if fear of Trump can bring manufacturing jobs back, the people whose livelihood depended on manufacturing jobs and who voted for him are going to be happy they did. As for the rest, you should all wish for more success stories, despite your personal opinions. It's not like any other president hasn't been an asshole. Why? "It's the economy, stupid!"
And yet we still have idiots saying "I hope he fails." Cut your nose of to spite your face all you want, the rest of the world thinks you're idiots to undermine anyone trying to reverse the trend of killing the middle and lower classes for the benefit of crony capitalists.
"Transparent" is a shit show that trades on every stereotype going. A man in drag is NOT a transsexual.
Shipping stuff on big container ships is pretty cheap.
Afaict there are two main advantages to manufacturing in the country you sell in.
1. Speed, container ships are slow, and aircraft are expensive. Slow shipping means more capital tied up in stock and slower response to market changes.
2. Protectionism, restrictions and taxes on selling your products can be a real damper on buisness.
The Toyota case is an example of a response to protectionism. The US government presured the Japanese government into restricting exports of cars from Japan to the USA. So Toyota set up factories in the USA.
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So you'd prefer that there be even fewer jobs, so that the unemployment rate can look artificially low as people go on welfare because their unemployment benefits run out and they can't get jobs? Foxconn isn't just thinking of investing $7 billion, for 30 - 50k jobs - they're also thinking of another $50 billion in US investments.
If that creates jobs at the same rate, that's another 210,000 - 350,000 jobs, in addition to the 30,000 -50,000 from the display manufacturing investment. That's more new jobs than all the current jobs in Vermont or Wyoming.
"Transparent" is a shit show that trades on every stereotype going. A man in drag is NOT a transsexual.
In case anyone was wondering, shipping costs have NEARLY NOTHING to do with this.
The Ocean Freight industry - particularly Trans-Pacific East-Bound (ie China to US) has had long term overcapacity issues for a decade, Depending on who you're talking to, essentially for every $100 they make, the industry has been spending $105-$110 for more than a handful of years.
It got to a point that last year, you could ship a truckload of cargo from Hong Kong to Brazil port to port for $50.
https://www.flexport.com/blog/...
They're not quite that bad anymore but still, you can ship a truckload from China to Los Angeles cheaper than the cost of delivering that load from the port to a point in Metro Los Angeles.
-Styopa
"Have you become so cold and heartless that you would have people suffer just to advance your own political agenda?"
I'm sorry, but I have to laugh at that. While the "left" may be guilty of this as well, the "right" is no stranger to causing harm to advance political ideals.
The republican party has left so many people behind as well. If you're lamenting the previous state of the democratic party, but express that by supporting republican party, then you're either a total fool, or yourself a political ideologue.
I purchased a Toyota vehicle 13 years ago. Part of my final choice was due to the fact that the vehicle was assembled in the US, and had one of the largest percentage of American made parts when compared to other vehicles. In 2004 the Toyota Sienna mini-van was listed as the second 'most' American car you could buy.
This was after owning a Ford made mostly from Mazda parts that were made and assembled in Mexico.
Thanks, I confused 4 week moving average there glancing over the document. We should be looking at both layoffs and newly created jobs to know if there's a net gain or loss. I'm pointing out the scale involved. Carrier's 1,000 is nothing. It's impossible for him to strike a 50,000 job deal every month. Even if he did it's not going to be the leading force.
Like trying to fill up a swimming pool with a Solo party cup and patting yourself on the back when it rains.
Precisely which manufacturer? All the ones I've seen like Carrier, Ford and Chrysler have been shown to be lies.
Lol.
Keep dreaming.
This factory will be 90+% automated.
At most it will be 500 jobs for people with 4 year degrees.
Their goal is to automate all jobs in current chinese factories Any new factories are going to get state-of-the-art automation from the very beginning.
This is the face of trump's america — massive tax breaks and deregulation for robots.
Or is Foxconn also planning an assembly plant here, where the display-less iPhones are assembled here?
Aren't the iPhone (or was it other smartphones?) already "proudly assembled in the USA" (for a very liberal definition of assembled: mostly connect the battery and close the case - none of the pesky soldering of surface-mounted component, that one goes in Asia) just for the sake of giving an impression of locally manufactured good ?
with the "assembled... " indication being the second best marketing buzzword after the unobtainable "made in the USA"
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I'm not tired of all this winning!
At least it's SOMETHING. And that's way more than the working class would have ever gotten under Hillary Clinton.
So you'd much rather an even more indebted government that gave away subsidies without recouping that money in revenue, an empty factory in a few years that does nothing except occupy space and everyone still unemployed? How desperate for jobs are you? Because if you're that desperate, consider legalizing prostitution and all drugs. That'll create jobs, since that's your one and only goal.
OLED screens tend to burn in.
They do however look excellent! For a while.
Feel the bern...or is that burn? I'm still a little confused from the election.
Minimum threshold fixed. Thanks!
Free money for the shareholders aka "land and electricity subsidies".
If manufacturing jobs inherently made countries great (at all), then China and southeast Asia would be The Best. What made America great during the golden years of blue-collar workers wasn't manufacturing per-se, it was in finding productive use of a workforce which happened to be manufacturing at the time. Today, the economy is more focused on services than products[1], and we should be focusing on how to expand service jobs rather than easily outsourced and automated manufacturing jobs.
By the way, unemployment is below 5%[2], which is quite healthy. More important than jobs is that wages for all jobs are above a subsistence level so that people actually have discretionary funds at the end of the day. We don't necessarily need more jobs (although there's nothing wrong with having them), but we *do* need better wages. Adding jobs (and demand for labor) is one way of achieving that, but it's not the only way. Minimum wage is another. Capping CEO and executive total compensation as a multiple of company-average pay is another. And for what it's worth, I'm not someone who needs better wages, but I recognize that it's important nonetheless.
[1] http://www.businessinsider.com...
[2] https://data.bls.gov/timeserie...
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If you are a woman, LGBTQ, a muslim, a black or hispanic person etc., why would you support jobs in a state that helped put Trump into power?
Because you're a decent human being?
SJW: Someone who has run out of real oppression, and has to fake it.
The middle class is the enemy of the elites. They want serfs, not a middle class.
I don't know that it's fair to attribute this to Trump (and I voted for him). However, even if it was, why would this make anyone sad? Are you so partisan that you would actually lament the fact that 50,000 people in Pennsylvania are going to have new jobs? Have you become so cold and heartless that you would have people suffer just to advance your own political agenda?
I'm old enough to remember a time when the Democratic Party stood up for the working class; when they were the party of compassion; when they stood up for civil liberties like free speech. Sadly, the party has long since left all that (and me) behind. And if the last election was any indication, a lot of people in formerly blue states think the party has left them behind too, states like Pennsylvania.
Republicans have been so partisan that they blocked infrastructure improvements for 8 years and allowed their country to rot so their guy could shine by making infrastructure improvements one of his big campaign issues. You also blocked a posting to the supreme court so that you could fill it after the election. Not exactly an example of non-partisansship is it? While I don't see Democrats as being flawless by any stretch of the imagination you Trump voting Republicans aren't exactly angels of honesty virtue and selflessness either. You would do well to look in a mirror once in a while.
Trump or not, it's sure good to see at least some jobs moving in the other direction for once.
According to the Reshoring Initiative, about 41,000 jobs have been returning to the US per year for the last six years. This does not even count jobs that were planned to leave but reconsidered (like Carrier) or jobs created from foreign investment (like FoxConn).
As automation becomes more capable and wages in other countries increase, it just makes sense that jobs would start to return. Unfortunately for the rust belt the jobs which return are often not the same low skill work which was off-shored over the past few decades.
-- All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing. -- Edmund Burke
It's about politics. There's a big part of the left, not the majority thank God, that are praying the economy will crash and we will go into a rehash of the Great Depression just so they can say I told you so. If Trump supports Net Neutrality they will be against it. If he supports limiting copyright they will support expanding it. It doesn't matter what he does it will be wrong to them because they are anti-Trump. They will shriek in rage for every job this country gains over the next 4 years.
I doubt it's all about Trump but I bet taking that call from the President of Taiwan that so many people raged at him about didn't hurt our chances.
math is hard
The problem with Trump and most of his campaign is that he's promising a quick, easy solution to a difficult problem: how do American workers stay competitive in a stage of increasingly easier global shipments?
And the problem with Trump's alternative is that she claims there was no problem. Democrats don't seem to get the utter incoherency of their position: America has no problems and Trump can't fix the really bad problems that America has.
Do you have ESP?
Except taking taxpayer money in subsidies and creating minimum wage assembly line jobs which will probably be replaced with automation within the decade does nothing except funnel even more money up the capitalist pyramid to the top. All that subsidy money should be spent on education for those workers so they can get better-than-minimum wage jobs. There's no benefit to the lower class if you're just keeping them enslaved as factory workers, you're just enabling the upper class.
Are you so partisan that you would actually lament the fact that 50,000 people in Pennsylvania are going to have new jobs?
The answer to that here in PA has been "Yes" for a long time. Between the Democrats and the unions (same thing really) they'd rather see a plant close than negotiate "give backs".
So they want access to that market and those workers but don't want to pay any taxes to help pay for the infrastructure that society needs.
Taxes are for the poor.
Yeah, if they were run by "thinking people" they would purposefully and publicly stick their finger in the eye of the new President in his first full week in office, when he's a man that is known for excoriating people publicly and also seeking retribution.
I don't think you are operating with the same definition of "thinking people" that the rest of us probably are. This is a company that wants to do business with this country, and will probably have representatives meeting people from both the administration, and the Congress.
Don't quit your day job and go into politics, or executive management.
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This has nothing to do with Trump
Like I've said before... It doesn't matter if Trump had anything directly to do with this or not. What matters is if the average Trump voter THINKS he did or if the pendants can convince folks Trump had an effect.
This is POLITICTS people, a big mixture of PR, spin and sometimes actual FACTS (when hey don't get in the way of the first two).... It's a wild game played by both parties to varying degrees of success.. So what's the point of trying to argue either way on this?
"File to fit, pound to insert, paint to match" - Aircraft Maintenance 101
Math is interesting. If there are zero jobs, there is zero tax coming in to the state.
By that logic, giving a company a billion dollar tax break in order to hire just one extra employee is a great deal.
Paying laid off workers to stay at home and smoke pot all day would have been cheaper than this.
The same company than made the news for automating away 60,000 jobs in a single plant because even though the jobs only paid between $1.60 and $2.20 an hour it was still cheaper to remove the jobs anyways.
And we are talking about THAT company and creating 50,000 at American wages in an industry that can be so automated away that it is virtually unmanned?
Get the fuck out of here with that noise.....
At best you would see them create 50,000 temporary jobs building the plant and setting up the automation as quickly as possible before letting them go and letting this virtually unmanned machine loose and probably getting the tax payers to spread their butts to give them tax cuts like Trump is proposing and did with Carrier.
But this company actually creating that many permanent jobs at even minimum wage in the US in this market? I have a better chance getting a 3-some with Jessica Alba and Hayden Panettiere.
I used to think conservatives were against welfare.
Depends on what you mean by welfare..... Free handouts for no purpose but to pay off one's supporters or buy votes? No, generally don't support that.... Free food and healthcare for abled bodied people who refuse to take responsibility? No, don't support that either and neither do most of my republican friends.
Supporting those who cannot work though no fault of their own and cannot support themselves? I'm good with that kind of welfare. Tax abatements and incentives to bring businesses and associated jobs from overseas? Depending on the business, I can see that being a good thing too and if you call THAT welfare, then I guess republicans are for that kind of welfare.
"File to fit, pound to insert, paint to match" - Aircraft Maintenance 101
How much does it cost to ship items like phone screens from Japan? It's a tiny amount.
By "giving away as freebies" you mean "not taxing as high". Money isn't inherently the government's, a tax cut isn't "giving away" money, it is "not taking at gun point".
It is not the government's job to employ people, your recommended alternative is likely outside the bounds of their constitution. If the people taking these jobs were unemployed, they were generating zero or negative tax revenue for the state. If they work these jobs they're now contributing.
The globalization experiment has shown that there are many low skill jobs that will leave for the country with the lowest labor cost if allowed. Nobody has a solution that involves a work force with 100% highly skilled labor, therefore if you want to maximize employment you need to protect some amount of low skilled jobs. If protecting those jobs requires taxing those jobs less is that not a good thing to enable? Is it not better for a person to earn their daily wage than have it handed to them by the government? They're not talking about exempting them from minimum wage or child labor laws.
When did Trump say that any of his promises would be quick or easy to implement?
love is just extroverted narcissism
And if Obama and Democrats in congress push a health care plan directly modeled on Mitt Romney's Massachusetts health care plan (a plan which was considered a success by most Republicans), Republicans will be against it. This is not a new phenomenon, and it is not unique to one party or one president.
Foxconn first announced that they were "considering" building a factory in Harrisburg in 2013. So far they have moved this many shovels of dirt: 0.
So now they are rehashing the announcement three days after Trump's inauguration, getting lots of good press, and venting the steam from protectionism, while still uncommitted to actually doing anything. Politically, this is brilliant.
Depends on what he's successful at.
OTOH, I wouldn't believe that 50,000 jobs story, except possibly during the process of construction. Foxconn is the company that's building automated plants in China to avoid high labor costs.
I think we've pushed this "anyone can grow up to be president" thing too far.
Spending LESS on education would be better. The cost of education has been way over the cost of inflation for a couple of decades - cut the fat, the stupidity, the mickey mouse courses, the diploma mills, the fat, the fat, the fat - there is no reason education costs should have been so crazy - except of course, the more subsidies and grants students get, the easier it is to charge more.
As for what type of jobs to train for? One certainty is NOT in STEM - it's only a matter of time before AI learns how to write AI code. AI will be doing the exploration in science, tech, engineering, and math - not humans.
"Transparent" is a shit show that trades on every stereotype going. A man in drag is NOT a transsexual.
Yup from NJ myself we used to call it 'Pennsyltucky'
love is just extroverted narcissism
It's all about the money, as any corporation is always about.
Thus the more accurate restatement of the headline, "Foxconn indicates it would be willing to build factory in the US in exchange for massive tax breaks and government subsidies". They know which way the wind is blowing, and how to milk it for maximum gain.
And how were Obama and Clinton (either one) any better. Bill Clinton killed off Glass-Steagall - a real gift to Wall Street. Obama was too chickenshit to beat up on insurance companies, especially since he (and every other politician) needed the donations, so let's give them huge public subsidies instead of creating a single-payer system like other modern countries have. Hillary was seen as Obama's 3rd term - so more of the same.
Jimmy Carter was right - the US is an oligarchy, same as Russia.
"Transparent" is a shit show that trades on every stereotype going. A man in drag is NOT a transsexual.
Conveniently you left Germany out, not to mention Japan really goes against the grain of your point. Personally I think a country is strongest when they don't have all their eggs in one basket and have solid segments in every segment of the economy. A country structured this way will be much more resilient to economic disruptions and will make the most of the human capital within.
love is just extroverted narcissism
Because women, acronyms, muslims, and the Democratic Party's slaves need jobs too.
I don't know, Philly Cheese Steaks are awesome.
Trump's abandonment of the One-China policy virtually guarantees that China will take Taiwan by force.
Two very big assumptions there, with no backup. The latter assumption especially is open to question.
I don't think we have ever considered Taiwan an enemy. It is the other China, the big mainland one that we are wary of.
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Hate to say it, but that sounds a whole lot like the anti-Obama Republicans.
Not saying it's right because "they did it first" or whatever - it was bullshit when they did it too. Ideas should stand or fall based on merit, and we should all be hoping for success, because if Trump succeeds at this, we all win. If he fails, we all take it right in the ass. Just like with Obama.
Time to grow up and govern.
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And if Obama and Democrats in congress push a health care plan directly modeled on Mitt Romney's Massachusetts health care plan (a plan which was considered a success by most Republicans), Republicans will be against it. This is not a new phenomenon, and it is not unique to one party or one president.
Actually the democratic health care plan was shaped much like it was to appease republicans. It didn't do a damn bit of good. They were party first, and f**k everyone else. Obama bent over backwards to get their buy in, and nothing happened. If anything that attempt made the program worse than it might otherwise be.
Democratic ain't perfect, but they will usually compromise to get the job done. I almost wish they would not. I'd like to see any plan for health care that is not clearly better voted no on, even if it leaves people without health care. Let the republicans fix their own mess.
Another fun thing I'm just watching is this wall nonsense CNN is covering. I can't see that stopping anyone even vaguely determined. Hell a couple rope ladders with hooks would probably do it. Drugs could be trivially tossed with only moderate mechanical assistance. Hell, wood I-beams regularly comes in 48' lengths. Take two and nail on some 1x3's and you probably can span 48'. Assemble it. Put it on a bigger truck with a large rack. Arrive at job site (wall). Dig hole to put bottom in. Have a person or four tilt it into the hole, driving forward a bit if needed. Then tie it back to the truck and back up. WIth a bit of luck and some guide ropes you now have a 48' ladder, that should span what 35 or so foot. So basically with a few helpers and what $200 in lumber and you have a nice easy walk to the top of the wall, where you can just rope ladder down.... It gets a lot easier if you don't have to deal with such a tall wall.
And if the government, would stop taxing business (because business don't "pay" taxes...they pass it along to consumers), it would make it easier to do business in the USA. Get rid of some of the stupidity that caused companies to flee the USA and maybe some will come back.
Because while that factory is running, and the people working there are making and spending money, tax revenues come back to the state and local governments.
Or did you forget about that part when writing your anti-corporate screed? And why do you think that a company would spend $7B to build a factory just to shut it down "in a few years"? That might be one of the dumbest things I've heard today, and it's been a pretty stupid day.
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The good news is that the people working at the new place will be paying taxes, and the money they spend in the local economy will end up being taxed too. So the state still gets revenue based on the increased economic activity, rather than getting jack shit because the company can't afford to open up a $7B factory there.
Sounds like a winner, and I'll bet that roughly 50/50 states would offer a deal.
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"They did it first" is not sufficient reasoning or justification to be a complete asshole. Just like it wasn't when "they" did it.
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Uh... and that's exactly why we want Trump to fail. He's going to squeeze the middle class to benefit his cronies. Is that so hard to understand? What baffles me are the people who think that a self-centered sociopath who has gone bankrupt multiple times and made money by screwing the the people who did work for him is suddenly going to boost the middle class. You'd have better luck studying meditation with Darth Vader.
"Not STEM," for another reason:
Think piano lessons.
Many kids are forced to take piano lessons because mama and papa think it's important that their kids take piano lessons.
Mostly, two things happen:
Kids learn to hate the fucking piano lessons and damned few are ever any good at it.
Kids need exposure to many endeavors in order to determine where their natural aptitude points.
When that activity is identified, then the student should be allowed to chase that dream.
STEM education is valuable when a STEM-enabled person pursues it.
If they suck at STEM, maybe they are piano prodigies and no one, including the student, knew.
It little behooves the best of us to comment on the rest of us.
If you want to see an oligarchy, just watch trump. He's not going away after 4 years. He's not going away after 8 years, either. He's going to build a small ruling class with him and his family pulling the strings, forever. This guy is really, really, really dangerous. If he does fail, as he undoubtedly will (trade wars aren't going to benefit the middle class) I'm sure he will do anything to maintain power: from an escalation of the "alternate facts" campaign we're already seeing, to rigged elections, to elections "suspended for the duration of the emergency after a "terrorist incident".
And that "good" shows up precisely where?
It's way too early for your comment.
It little behooves the best of us to comment on the rest of us.
You mean other than Obama pulling us out of the disaster of the Bush years and steadily growing the economy. Not to mention getting health care for millions of people. Oh yeah, and getting rid of the "you were off insurance for a day, sorry, that's a pre-existing condition" BS. But other than that, what did the Romans ever do for us?
People elected Trump because they want jobs.
Which means that "giving the americans jobs" is now the newest hot PR button to get free goodwill, just like "being green" was on the last 8 years or so.
Of course, this also means that they will do it mostly for the PR rather than actually doing any significant effort as it was with the last PR buttons.
It's not that they can't afford it, they just don't want to have to pay.
And how were Obama and Clinton (either one) any better. Bill Clinton killed off Glass-Steagall - a real gift to Wall Street.
Nope, that was the Republican Party, Gramm-Bliley-Leach, and you were praising them at the time. It was the best thing ever, why look at your house suddenly doubling in value! Then you attacked California when it was Enron messing with their power network, not that you wanted Ken Lay prosecuted (the poor man), and you even opposed Hillary Clinton's attempt at health care reform in the 1990s. Oh but everything Newt Gingrich (the patriotic adulterer) and Dennis Hastert (the black-mailed child abuser) wanted, that was ok with you. Signed right up for the Contract with America.
Just like your pal, Donald Trump. I'm sure you're even indifferent to his support for the executing of innocents who it turns out were falsely accused of rape in Central Park.
Or will you show where you are on record as opposing any of it? Go ahead, document yourself. I doubt you can even demonstrate that you opposed the Birther-in-Chief.
Obama was too chickenshit to beat up on insurance companies, especially since he (and every other politician) needed the donations, so let's give them huge public subsidies instead of creating a single-payer system like other modern countries have.
That's what you said you wanted, you refused to stand up and oppose the Conservatives who insisted that single-payer would fail, you claimed that public healthcare would doom us all. You did nothing, and you made the rest of us pay for it.
Now we're going to pay more, as Trump stumbles into repealing what he doesn't know how to replace.
Hillary was seen as Obama's 3rd term - so more of the same. Jimmy Carter was right - the US is an oligarchy, same as Russia.
Sure, you believe that. And you went ahead and picked Donald Trump to praise, you suck up to him and beg him for the crumps off his table, and he looks down at you, and gives you the back of his hand and the warm kiss of his spittle, then he shouts "No, you scum, back to the salt mines with you!"
Good job, you right-wing sycophant. Enjoy what you've chosen to embrace. Emperor Trumpentine will build golden palaces, and you'll praise the glory even as the bodies pile up around them.
Why pay more if you don't have to? If Pennsylvania wants the factory in Pennsylvania rather than Costa Rica, then Pennsylvania better figure out how to be cheaper than Costa Rica.
It really is that simple.
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Nice assertion for an a.c. comment with zero links to substantiate it.
Dude, you are a moron, try this nice liberal publication to see that wages are flat while the cost to do basic important things like go to college has doubled since 1987. Wages may have had a little bump last year, but guess what so did the cost of health care, college, property taxes, insurance etc....
Look at the pretty graph.
The kids today are getting totally screwed. No pensions, crappy high-fee 401Ks, crappy insurance, crushing college debt, and are stuck in a service economy because their parents generation free-traded all the manufacturing jobs away allowing new-economy jobs to be offshored and/or replaced with H1-B's.
I realize we can never go back, but your one year of statistics is meaningless over the long term trend.
Please someone mod this parent into the basement.
High value products do no use container ships. Companies like Apple buy shipping capacity and go UPS/FedEx Air. Container ships are for big stuff, heavy stuff, or mass made in China junk.
You need to read this article
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Some diversity is good but specializing is much more important.
It's about politics. There's a big part of the left, not the majority thank God, that are _expecting_ the economy will crash.../p>
Seriously, do you really think that policies like
1. More unfunded tax cuts.
2. Greater defense spending.
3. General mess due to threats and actual trade wars.
4. Policies based on anything but facts.
5. General protectionist mess. You might be able to increase employment, but it will be less efficient employment. Costs will go up for many goods and services. I'm less than certain we can "win" this, save in the very short term.
6. External costs on society due to pollution and global warming.
7. Greater civil unrest. You don't win on hate and expect everyone to love you. The hate that was born this election is not going to die so easily. His first act was to call almost all mexicans rapists and murderers and he hasn't improved.
8. Greater terrorism. Sure some actions might smack some down, but Trump is a walking talking recruitment poster for some of them.
9. Greater health care costs being a drag on society. I get how people don't wanna buy it, but well, they want treated when they have an emergency. Choose. Either be able to afford the treatment such as with insurance, or let people die when they get sick. Obamacare needs to increase the fine so everyone signs up. That, and maybe incentivising outcome based outcomes and the state line thing might be all that is needed. (The state line thing sort of works because Obamacare established minimums. If you remove those, then removing the state line barrier would be crazy.)
At any rate, I see no reason to believe that Trump will lead to long term growth. Short term irrational exuberance is possible I suppose, but sustained long term growth is unlikely. You can't optimize a system if you refuse to believe that there is such a thing as truth.
False dichotomy. There's plenty of ground between "Yay TPP" and "Boo TPP." The secrecy was bad, the ability to ignore local environmental laws and copyright issues were also terrible. But the basic idea of free trade with Asia on our terms was a good one even if a lot of the specifics were awful. Cheeto tearing it up completely and letting China dominate the Asian market is an idiotic deal for the US long term.
By the way, unemployment is below 5%[2], which is quite healthy.
Even U6 is below 10%, which is worth mentioning.
"First they came for the slanderers and i said nothing."
Two wrongs != right
That's great, so long as those who do wrong get punished accordingly, so that there is a disincentive to continue doing wrong. But what happens if someone's getting rewarded for it? Do you think that they're going to do anything but continue acting that way? And what message does it send to others?
Consider if I had two sons, Bobby and Johnny, and Bobby hit Johnny and took Johnny's lollipop. And then when Johnny went to hit Bobby back I stopped him and said, "two wrongs don't make a right", but I let Bobby keep the lollipop? What if I then gave Bobby another lollipop? Do you think he's not just going to steal the next lollipop Johnny gets, too?
The Republican party has placed gaining and staying in power over the good of the country, and unfortunately, they've been rewarded for it. It's up to us, the voters, to punish them for it, but we've thus far refused to do so, whether because of general agreement with Republican morals/issues, fear, tribalism, economic pain, or otherwise. The US political system is not designed to be so blindly tolerant of such gross self-interest by a political party, and we're all going to suffer for the destruction of political norms that it engenders, because doing so incentivizes retaliation in kind, not cooperation or compromise.
It means that when and if the Democrats come back into power, they will have zero fucks to give about taking Republican wishes into consideration. This is a bad thing for the country, because we need input from all sides, even the minority - and the refusal of that minority to participate in governing has set precedents that will be very difficult to overcome.
How the hell does Foxconn claim 30 to 50,000 jobs?
Any panel factory like the propose would be very highly automated and probably only involve humans at the edges of production: loading in raw materials and then final assembly and shipping. All the fabrication would almost certainly be done by robots.
So unless they plan to build a factory the size of a city -with product demand that does not exist- there is no way they will need more than a few hundred workers. Maybe a thousand.
I think Foxconn may be thinking of how they DO run plants in China, which is to hire a lot of cheap labor to do everything. Need it done faster, no problem, plenty of job seekers lined up every morning. But nobody in the US runs plants like that.
That said, I don't think the economics work anyway. Chinese companies keep lowering the bottom line on panel cost and consumer demand has largely eased as nearly everyone who wanted a flat TV has gotten one or more. Prices for 32" TVs are now approaching $100 at retail. There just isn't going to be a lot of profit in something like that shipped from China. A US-made version would have to be no more expensive or else nobody will want it. And there definitely would not be much profit in it.
Sig for hire.
Colleges are stuck on this idea that they need to act like a for-profit corporation and show revenue increases quarter over quarter.
There is no other reason schools have raised tuition so much over so short a period of time. They want that revenue and they want more of it than they had before, even if a LOT of the money ends up doing nothing for students.
At the same time, the schools know the students will pay because they mostly have loans anyway so it's not really the student's money. They won't notice the cost has increased unless they realize they have lots more loan payments. But nobody thinks about that when they sign up for classes.
Sig for hire.
The state ends up taking on the additional burden of transportation infrastructure and improvement, schools for the employees children, etc. ( http://www.pewtrusts.org/en/pr... ), environmental impacts, on and on. So when a state 'forgives' taxes, it is just pushing it onto the existing residents. In the immediate area of the plant(s) people can be priced out of housing by increased competition. Even the labor force is usually imported during the construction phase from other places. Pretty much the same deal as with sports arenas, nationwide it ends up being a race to the bottom.
suicide nets like their Chinese factory does ?
And will they be Trump-branded ?
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The fact that the state support funding has dried up around the country at the exact same rate that tuition has gone up is complete coincidence of course... right ?
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Exactly! And, given that Foxcon is committed to nearly 100% automation and relatively low skill in their factories, these jobs will *not* pay that well. They may *appear* to pay well in Western PA, where jobs are wanting, but then China will have leverage against Trump if he tries to screw around with tariffs - China can just say, "we're leaving" and then what. Who is going to "give" - Trump, or China? China is playing Trump like the chimp that he is.
Look, China is planning to lay off MILLIONS of workers in China, to automate. They may put this factory into PA and wait for Trump to be replaced, then they will go FULL automation and WIN! To the Chinese, Trump is below "bush league" (pun, intended).
It's worth pointing out that on day 3 Trump declared his inauguration day to be, henceforth, a national "day of patriotic devotion".
Think about that. Welcome to Banana Republic of America.
Somewhere in Pyongyang Kim is beheading half his generals for not thinking of that one !
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Oh, and make no mistake, the "alternative facts" thing is not a joke... it's how dictators become dictators: by declaring that truth is whatever they say it is.
They get stopped only if the population is willing to loudly and persistently declare: "There are four lights!"
And that gets hard when lots of the people doing so start going missing...
What a world we now live in... when did conservatives start loving Russia and Nazis ? Seriously ? We can't punch Nazis now ? And they accuse liberals of being too politically correct...
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Nevermind that Foxxconn first announced this plan back in 2013 - under Obama's watch right ? This new "update" announcement is just a way to score brownie points with the new administration over something they've been busy working on for years.
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So wait... let me get this straight... you believe in the multiplier effect when Trump does something, didn't you just spend 8 years telling us we can't raise the minimum wage to something sane because the multiplier effect doesn't exist ?!??!?!
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Yes... some of us are hoping for that, but not for the reason you think. Saying "I told you so" is not the reason - it's because that's the BEST outcome we see. The second-best is another civil war, and the worst-case scenario is world war 3.
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>Democratic ain't perfect, but they will usually compromise to get the job done. I almost wish they would not.
You're about to get your wish. After 8 years of seeing one of the best democrat presidents of all time being obstructed senselessly at every turn, decried as a radical no matter how centrist and bipartisan and moderate he acted... the democrats are done playing nice, they sure as hell aren't going to play nice with the worst republican president of all time. There isn't a democrat anywhere on the hill who hasn't got the message: compromise will lose you, your seat.
In 2010 the Tea Party gained massive influence over politics, despite never being more than about 10% of the people - and never holding more than 10% of the seats on the hill they controlled the entire thing, right down to the power to twice shut down the entire government ! Because the elections that put those 41 people into government sent a clear message to every other republican that if they compromise in any way - they are doomed to lose their seats too.
Now imagine what happens when the 66%-odd of Americans who hold progressive values take the same stance. 3 Million women marched in America this weekend (and another 2 million around the world) - and not just in the big cities. There were small towns where 50% of the population was marching. You think they'll accept compromise with the guy who declared his inauguration-day a "day of patriotic devotion" like the worst kind of banana-republic? With the guy who, on his second day in office, signed a death warrant for millions of women around the world (the global gag order) and is promising to do the same to them (defunding planned parenthood) ?
Between 1968 and 1988 California consistently voted for the republican presidential candidate. They were the second reddest state in the Union after Texas. In 1992 the republican government went too far. They came up with prop-187, a proposition that essentially denied all public services to anybody who was an illegal immigrant. Just like now, the debate was ostensibly about law-and-order, budgets and the like... but it would quickly degenerate into "too many brown people" every time. And just like now - it was filled with flagrant lies: immigration was, in fact, down at the time, the economic difficulties of California at that time had nothing to do with immigration - they were caused by the end of the cold war and the resulting loss of lots of defence jobs in the state, the school overcrowding had nothing to do with immigration (in fact enrollment was lower than in the 1980s), that was caused by the republican government's massive tax and budget cuts having led to lots of schools being closed.
The centrist wing of the democratic party at the time tried a campaign that still treated immigrants as lesser - they just didn't think prop-187 was a good solution to the problem (they argued that without healthcare immigrant waiters would make people sick, without schooling their kids would become criminal delingquents etc.) but the liberal wing of the party took a different tack. They embraced diversity - and started building a broad coalition with multiple race groups. African Americans, Asian Americans and Latino-Americans were pulled in - and they did serious work to undermine the effects, including organising free citizens-ship classes and helping latino-Americans to become citizens, then register to vote - more than 10-thousand immigrants became citizens with their help in the first year.
By the time of the next election - democrats (And specifically the liberal wing of the party) won the state in a landslide, they've controlled the state houses ever since and the only time they haven't held the governorship was that time with Arnie, and even he had to see all his budgets rejected until he rewrote them into something the liberals could, if not like, at least tolerate. The interesting thing is that, as the democrats ruled California the state went from the worst economic state in it's history post-cold-war to one of the
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>it has to do with the overwhelming majority of people not wanting it.
But that is not, and never has been, the case. A vocal minority didn't want it. Hell there are more people newly-insured now thanks to the ACA than there were people who opposed it. If you were right - the republicans would not be waffling about struggling to figure out HOW to repeal the thing. They are waffling because the political fallout of the repeal is going to be huge and if they can't figure out a way to blame democrats for that fallout they are going to lose a shitload of seats - quite possibly their majorities.
Much as it pains me to say it, they should just go ahead and do it anyway, because Trump is working as hard as he can to get them all shitcanned in the midterms anyway - so they may as well take the fallout - their gonna be out on their asses in 2018 regardless.
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Depends on what you mean by welfare..... Free handouts for no purpose but to pay off one's supporters or buy votes? No, generally don't support that.... Free food and healthcare for abled bodied people who refuse to take responsibility? No, don't support that either and neither do most of my republican friends.
Lazy sponging disabled kids. They should pull themselves up by their bootstraps our should have considered things better before buying lousy parents.
https://www.texastribune.org/2...
That's just one example.
Supporting those who cannot work though no fault of their own and cannot support themselves? I'm good with that kind of welfare.
It really makes no difference what you claim to be for and against when you in fact vote for people who do remove welfare from people through who no fault of their own, could Newberry have supported themselves.
SJW n. One who posts facts.
....Subsidies, subsidies, subsidies.I wonder how much this will cost the tax-payer?
Useful trades. Electricians, plumbers, mechanics, carpenters. Basically anything. Are you really suggesting that those jobs will go kaput?
Are you so partisan that you would actually lament the fact that 50,000 people in Pennsylvania are going to have new jobs?
Let's have this conversation when the jobs happen. Because right now, it's is mere speculation, and regardless of political affiliation we should all judge outcomes after they've occurred, not on a press release about what might or might not happen.
What made America great during the golden years of blue-collar workers wasn't manufacturing per-se, it was in finding productive use of a workforce which happened to be manufacturing at the time.
It was innovation, and since innovation required manufacturers it had the beautiful side effect of spreading wealth. Those conditions won't exist again, and no amount if wishing it back will make it so. Trump is selling a dream and the stupid people are sucking it up. Prosperity in the future of automation is going to be difficult, there are no easy catchphrase solutions. This is the weakness of democracy in the age of complexity. You can't sell complex solutions to the masses, and this is why China will win.
High value products do no use container ships.
Like cars for example? I'm pretty sure a car is worth more than an iPhone...
It depends if the jobs pay enough to live on, and don't cost the state more than benefits would. Otherwise you might as well just pay people to dig holes and fill them in again.
50k jobs for a screen factory seems somewhat improbable anyway. High end screens can't be made by hand, can't be inspected for defects by eye. The electronics can't be placed or soldered by hand. Similar factories in China and Japan employ thousands, not tens of thousands, and that includes all the packing and cleaning staff, i.e. not well paid jobs.
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SJW, n: "Someone I don't like, and by the way I'm a fuckwit" - AC
"Foxconn, the Taiwanese contract manufacturing company best known for its partnership with Apple .. and Amazon, Cisco, Dell, Hewlett-Packard, Intel, Microsoft, Motorola, Vizio ..
If you are a woman, LGBTQ, a muslim, a black or hispanic person etc., why would you support jobs in a state that helped put Trump into power?
Because you're a decent human being?
No you misread the grand parent, he said why WOULD you support Trump.
Calling someone a "hater" only means you can not rationally rebut their argument.
Food is subsidized, you have to keep food cheap or people will get angry.
Clothing/Textile is the result of horrible 3rd world working conditions.
Furniture is the result of horrible 3rd world working conditions.
Electronics is the result of horrible 3rd world working conditions. (See suicide net comments)
Gas prices are all over the place, I will let you draw your own conclusion.
So let's ask the following questions.
1. Do you need a college education? Yes
2. Can college debt be discharged in bankruptcy? No
3. Do you need insurance? Yes
4. Are you forced to buy auto, home, and medical? Yes
5. Do you have to pay property taxes and fees? Yes
6. Can you grow your own food? Yes
7. Can you buy resale furniture or make your own? Yes
8. Can you walk, ride a bike, or take public transportation? Yes
9. Can you live without your cell phone? No, not if you are a hipster or millennial. It is more important to snapchat or tweet from a protest march than it is to vote as evidenced by the pathetic voter turnout rate for the last election. 55% really?
10. Can you save enough money for retirement? No.
So in conclusion, the numbers you accused me of Cherry Picking matter an awful lot more than cheap furniture and cheap electronics. The numbers I listed are things YOU HAVE TO BUY, most are mandated by law like INSURANCE.
The future is significantly less secure for young people today due to wage stagnation and lack of good, long-term stable jobs with benefits. Anyone who tells you otherwise is selling a free-trade agreement. They will say stuff like, "Oh there will be some losers with the agreement, but many will be better off." What has this brought us? An economy where 40% of the workers exist in the service economy with few full-time workers or benefits.
If Germany can do it, the USA can do. Good education, strong worker protection, world class products, and strong exports.
I say this to anyone. If the playing field is level America can compete. If the playing field is not level and the American worker is competing with someone who makes $2/week, then no, we can no compete and win. If we are going to have free-trade, there has to be work-protection and and an adjustment factor for standard of living.
If not, the race to the bottom will continue. More laws will get passed forcing you to pay for things you have to have (money to go to college, auto, property, and health insurance) and can't afford while the standard of living plummets.
This must stop.
The last time I looked up data on this in my state I found the funding info for the University of Minnesota system, for some reason finding this information is almost impossible and what you find is opaque as hell, and the state of Minnesota basically funded it the tune of about $10,000 per student. That was just the total amount from the state divided by students enrolled as it didn't have info on the number of full time students, out of state students, international students, etc. Even recently I looked at what I had paid for classes I took at a MNSCU university (Mankato State) in 2001 and compared it to what I spent taking a course at the local MNSCU technical college (DCTC) and per credit hour DCTC was 4x the cost. Granted there was was inflation over that time (about 35%) so in 2001 dollars DCTC was about 3x as expensive. Now here's the kicker, DCTC tunition is cheaper than Mankato's as the community and technical colleges are the real low cost options as the highest degree they offer is an associates while the universities in the MNSCU system will offer up to a PhD. When I was going to school in 01 I believe the state paid about 1/3 of the tuition cost so unless the state is now charging schools the cost shouldn't have gone up as much as it has.
Time to offend someone
Really ? It took me all of thirty seconds to find this: http://www.chronicle.com/blogs...
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I don't know exactly what sort of electricity subsidy they are looking for, but if Penn gives them free juice, free land (and probably wave all prop taxes for infinity) then it may well be cheaper than china. Corp's are brilliant playing state governments. Remember Dell in N.C. Foxconn is only going to do this if they make more money in Pa than CN. And the only way that is going to happen is if Pa bends over big time. As to shipping, ROFL, I've seen concrete pavers made in china at Lowe's. And they were cheaper than domestically made ones.
Philosophy is actually kind of handy. Look at the arguments we're involved with today - "what is AI" is one such.
"Transparent" is a shit show that trades on every stereotype going. A man in drag is NOT a transsexual.
You mean like Obama did by fining people who couldn't afford to buy mandatory insurance, giving huge indirect subsidies to the insurance companies rather than bringing in a single-payer health care system? Every president since Carter has screwed over the middle class - that's why real wages haven't risen in 40 years.
"Transparent" is a shit show that trades on every stereotype going. A man in drag is NOT a transsexual.
Starting in the 1980s Congress debated bills to repeal Glass–Steagall's affiliation provisions (Sections 20 and 32). In 1999 Congress passed the Gramm–Leach–Bliley Act, also known as the Financial Services Modernization Act of 1999, to repeal them. Eight days later, President Bill Clinton signed it into law.
Don't blame me that the Dems were too corrupt to allow for the election of Bernie Sanders because they wanted another (DINO) Democrat-In-Name-Only. Sanders would have wiped the floor with Trump.
"Transparent" is a shit show that trades on every stereotype going. A man in drag is NOT a transsexual.
That's part of the issue, though. The freight arriving at the port DOES have to be delivered from the port to a point elsewhere, and that's where the shipping expense really starts.
huh. Went looking to call bullshit on some flimsy anonymous coward's lie. ...But here you go. He meet with Softbank who is... investing in the deal with foxconn? They leaked some information about a deal with Foxconn investing in PA. Foxconn's CEO Gao admitted to the plan shortly after.
I wonder what sort of incentive was given to make this thing happen. I mean, I imagine that's why it's happening. Trump needs to show some results and he can certainly buy business. Pay $11 for every $10 in wages or investment it brings in. But it's tax breaks or profit guarantees, so it's hard to count. And hey, end of the day, it might be a net win. But if they get paid $5 million to talk about a $7 Billion plant that never gets built, it's a scam.
Sorry for being skeptical. I'll call it a win once people start collecting paychecks and the deal is transparent.
"Cost to tax payers" as in when the government doesn't confiscate all your property it "costs" the tax payers?
I am not saying we have to make 'every good'. I would argue though that the cost of having a significant portion of the country on welfare and needing treatment for various ailments such as obesity and drug abuse has been ignored in calculating comparative advantage. Our government has basically subsiding corporate profits by keeping these people from dying in the streets.
love is just extroverted narcissism
I think you'd be surprised on just how many things an ultra-left-wing liberal greenie like me can agree with based on evidence. For example - the wall. The idea that ANYONE can just illegally cross the border of any country without a prior agreement to open borders is a problem. The people who come and go legally are being penalized by those who enter illegally by jumping the queue. When I enter the US, I sure do it legally. When I return to Canada, I also return legally. It's not that hard to conform to the requirements - millions of people do it.
When I went to work in the US, I told US customs, so again no problem. Now if I had lied, or tried to enter illegally ... why would I expect to be allowed to stay? We've welcomed more Syrian refugees than the US, so it's not like we're anti-refugee or anything - or anti-immigrant - just do it legitimately. And don't bring any guns, mace, tasers, weed, pepper spray, or other weapons or drugs. Oh, and no DUIs. Driving while drunk is a criminal offense here, so anyone from the US with a DUI isn't admissible without special permission.
"Transparent" is a shit show that trades on every stereotype going. A man in drag is NOT a transsexual.
The screens are mostly for Sharp's TV division. 2/3 of their production is sold in the US, so expect them to start not just manufacturing screens, but whole TVs. Don't forget, there's another $50 billion they're going to be spending in the US, so it makes sense, if you're making the most fragile, bulkiest parts in the US, selling most of the production to the US, to do the final assembly in the US as well.
"Transparent" is a shit show that trades on every stereotype going. A man in drag is NOT a transsexual.
China will have leverage against Trump if he tries to screw around with tariffs - China can just say, "we're leaving" and then what.
You appear to be confused. Foxconn is not a Chinese company.
Given Trump's buisiness acumen, no, I don't believe we CAN work out a deal now with better terms. Given his choices in cabinet positions, I can't see his negotiators being effective at anything other than giving Trump money and saying whatever nonsense he tells them to say. Given his statements on free trade, I don't see free trade being an issue. Given his insistence that America comes first in all things, and failure to identify the real causes of job losses among the flyover states, I don't see his priorities being at all aligned with what America should want. Given the fact that he tore up the hard work of the diplomats on both sides, I can't imagine any countries being interested in wasting much time negotiating with him.
Finally, absolutely nothing the man has said makes me think that any of the issues that concern intelligent people about the TPP will be addressed.
So, you're right, I guess we can feasibly work out another better trade deal, it's possible he'll grow an inoperable brain tumor that will suddenly turn him into a rational human being, but realistically, no, Obama's TPP was better than anything we're going to get in the next four years.
By the time a sane president is elected, I expect it will be too late to get control over the Pacific. China doesn't suffer from uninformed white trash idiots weighing in on foreign policy with countries they can't locate on a labeled globe, so they aren't going to suffer a similar setback. They will set up deals that will cement China as the major power of the area for the rest of our lives. Which, given the idiocy of voters here, might be a good thing.
The contract to build the Suicide Netting?
Watson is already taking office jobs. They're replacing insurance claims adjusters, costing the company $10k per year, a lot cheaper than employing a human. It doesn't have to be perfect to take your job - even if it's a bit worse, if it's a lot cheaper, you're history. A lot of white-collar office jobs are going to just vanish.
"Transparent" is a shit show that trades on every stereotype going. A man in drag is NOT a transsexual.
You have yet to show ANY proof that Bill Clinton didn't sign the bill. He supported it. He could have refused to sign it.
Personally, as a Canadian I'm with the 95% of the world that thinks that the USA+Trump, and Great Britain+Brexit, are self-inflicted wounds. You both got the governments you deserved by your unabashed acceptance of faux news.
Of course, in the case of the USA, it was inevitable that you'd end up with only the worst candidates to choose from since you won't do any serious electoral finance reform. So, you get the government you deserve - on that, as Jimmy Carter put it, is bought and paid for by the rich. So, you got the worst government money can buy.
Either one would have been just as bad.
"Transparent" is a shit show that trades on every stereotype going. A man in drag is NOT a transsexual.
And no other president appointed a member of the 1%? Give me a break. Obama appointed Clinton as secretary of state, definitely one of the 1%. Anyone with a net worth of $8.4 million is in the 1%. The money from her speeches alone puts her up there. She disclosed a net worth of $31 million to the Federal Elections Commission. Shouldn't you feel a little dirty now, knowing that Obama appointed 1%ers as well?
"Transparent" is a shit show that trades on every stereotype going. A man in drag is NOT a transsexual.
So I got modded down. Check the facts. Watch Kellyanne Conway's interview over the weekend with CNN. She drops a very broad hint that if CNN doesn't play ball, Trump will freeze them out. It's typical authoritarian behavior. The Leader do that a few times and all the news is now coming from lapdogs like Fox. Obvious lies like "This was this biggest audience for an inauguration ever. Period." go unchallenged.
Something for you trump-bots to think about: if he's going to lie about something that trivial and that obvious.. when is he going to tell you truth?
(trick question, answer is "never").
Hey for all you "trump good" people, net neutrality will disappear (no surprise there).
I remember Obama doing the same thing with FOX news. And FOX didn't say he was hiring hookers to throw a golden shower party.
Okay Ken
"Where's my documented proof of opposing it?" I think you have it backwards - Clinton signed it because he supported it. If he were against it, he could have exercised his veto, and forced them to pass it over the veto. Except that the Democrats had control over both the House and the Senate, so if he had vetoed it, there were not enough votes to override his veto. So suck it up. YOU fucked up the election. Not me, not anyone else. Americans. Democrats in particular, by allowing corruption between the DNC and the Clinton campaign to nominate someone who even the polls said was going to to worse against Trump than Sanders. And now you whine about it?
Obama's approval ratings among Canadians used to be almost unanimous - same as all democrat presidents. Now 1/3 think that in the end he did more harm than good - just look at the middle east, record deficits, and refusal to bring in public single-payer health care as examples. His continued "red lines" that Russia and China and Syria crossed with impunity have left the US with less political clout than at any time in the last 100 years. And with China now ranking #1 in GDP when measured using purchasing power parity (because a buck, or it's equivalent in yuan, buys more there than it does in the US), and also #1 in fintech no matter how you measure it, you'd better hope that Trump makes buddy-buddy with Russia to serve as a counterweight to Chinese expansion.
"Transparent" is a shit show that trades on every stereotype going. A man in drag is NOT a transsexual.
Oh, I'm not a Republican. I'm a former Democrat who turned away from the party when it became infected by the SJW cancer. I only vote Republican these days because the alternative scares me even more.
SJW: Someone who has run out of real oppression, and has to fake it.
No, the Dear Leader title belongs to Barack Obama, you can't just steal it.
And yet in that story it doesn't mention what the actual university systems are getting or the total number of students that are full time, part time, in state, out state, or international. That is the information that is hard to come by. Also when these thing are reported usually slashing funding includes some part of not getting an increase. So if one could find the actual numbers for something like the University of Illinois system where $209 million was slashed from their budget you would likely find that 2015 spending isn't $209 million less than the 2014 spending, but instead is some amount less. I don't know what that amount would be something seeing something like the state would be providing $180 million to $190 million less over the 2014 amount wouldn't surprise me.
My point also wasn't to argue that states' spending on public college and university systems hasn't gone down as it has. My point was to point a reasonable question to ask which is how much is being spent on a per student basis by the state and then look to your non dodgy private colleges and see what they are charging and see if you can figure out why the private institution can get by without a massive per student subsidy. By non dodgy I don't mean the ones that advertise on cable TV or ones that are nationally accredited but real reputable ones. In Minnesota schools like St. Thomas, St. Olaf, Gustavus Adolphus are all good private schools that are well respected. They are more expensive the universities in the MNSCU system but are pretty damn close (or they were when I was in school) to the University of Minnesota Twin Cities but they weren't $10,000/year more. Also that $10,000/year number that I used was very generous as all I had was the total from the state and the total number of students. As the state wasn't subsidizing out of state, exception for states with reciprocity, or international students, and that figure also assumes that even a person taking one class a semester is also being subsidized that $10,000. So taking that into account the full time in state student total subsidy would likely be higher and probably much higher. I do question the use of money by state schools on sports stadiums the pay for coaches, the huge administrative overhead, and the waste on equipment. For example when I was at Mankato they had a computer lab open for all the students to use, so far so good. It had 300 machines in it of which 100 were replaced each year, again so far so good. Problem is that instead of buying the middle of the road machines, or buying low end ones they bought the top of the line machines with really good video cards, max ram, the biggest available hard drives, huge screens, top of the line Intel consumer processors. These weren't machines for doing simulations, games, or AI but machines used by the general student body for web browsing (static pages mostly), e-mail, and MS Word for papers. That is the kind of waste that needs to be curtailed and looked closer at.
Time to offend someone