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Nicotine Shown To Reduce Symptoms of Schizophrenia (newatlas.com)

New submitter future guy quotes a report from New Atlas: A meta-analysis of worldwide studies conducted in 2005 definitively showed what many doctors had been anecdotally noting for decades. Schizophrenia patients were much more likely to become heavy smokers than than those in the general population. In fact some studies found over 80 percent of those diagnosed with schizophrenia were smokers. There were many social and psychological hypotheses proposed to explain this strange anomaly, but none were ever sufficient. A new study published in Nature Medicine has not only revealed how smoking can normalize the impairments in brain activity associated with schizophrenia, but unlocks an entirely new field of drug research to combat the disease. The study expanded on the recent discovery of a genetic mutation, labelled CHRNA5, that was identified as being associated with the cognitive impairments seen in schizophrenic patients. The scientists took mice with the CHRNA5 gene variant and discovered they displayed similar characteristics to those suffering from schizophrenia, such as an inability to suppress a startle response and an aversion to social interaction. Using brain imaging technologies the research team discovered the mice with the CHRNA5 gene variant displayed symptoms of hypofrontality, a state of decreased blood flow in the prefrontal cortex of the brain. Hypofrontality is commonly thought to be a prominent cause of many symptoms of schizophrenia, as well as being associated with other psychiatric conditions including Bipolar Disorder and ADHD. As well as identifying the role this gene variant plays in causing hypofrontality, the study examined how nicotine acted to restore normal activity to the prefrontal cortex. The researchers found that within one week of daily nicotine dosing the impaired brain activity in mice with schizophrenic characteristics had normalized.

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  1. Big Data prediction by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    Petco will start selling Marlboros next to the cat food.

    1. Re:Big Data prediction by Narcocide · · Score: 1

      Cat lovers modding you down, but this was funny.

    2. Re:Big Data prediction by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

      Wouldn't PetCo sell Camels?

  2. Enhanced Noradrenergic Transmission by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Interesting, I suspect that increased Norepinephrine in the prefrontal cortex mediated by the activation of Nicotinic receptors increases prefrontal cortical control over the limbic system. I wonder if Atomoxetine would do the same thing.

    1. Re:Enhanced Noradrenergic Transmission by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I don't know what most of those words mean, but I do hope someone sends APK a carton of Camels.

    2. Re:Enhanced Noradrenergic Transmission by geekmux · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Interesting, I suspect that increased Norepinephrine in the prefrontal cortex mediated by the activation of Nicotinic receptors increases prefrontal cortical control over the limbic system. I wonder if Atomoxetine would do the same thing.

      Big Tobacco against Big Pharma in the battle for profits?

      Hang on, let me get my popcorn.

      This lobbyist bloodbath ought to make Game of Thrones look like a Spongebob episode.

    3. Re:Enhanced Noradrenergic Transmission by tehcyder · · Score: 2

      I suspect that increased Norepinephrine in the prefrontal cortex mediated by the activation of Nicotinic receptors increases prefrontal cortical control over the limbic system.

      That's easy for you to say.

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    4. Re:Enhanced Noradrenergic Transmission by budgenator · · Score: 1

      Trust me, if there is anything too this, nicotine, will be replaced by a synthetic patentable targeted drug, which will be replaced by a newer targeted drug with fewer side-effects and better efficacy just as the original goes generic.

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    5. Re:Enhanced Noradrenergic Transmission by syntotic · · Score: 1

      It is grim, but the mechanism is another one altogether. To explain it... would take long, but in short you can say that as you smoke, there is a Muslim party who is seeking and killing the people whose minds schizophrenics can *hear*, so you smoke, you get **better**. Brain activity and da-da-da, but if you do not admit the true nature of schizophrenia and its personal, religious and social mechanisms, IT IS USELESS, OUR RESEARCH IS BIASED. Researchers are not admitting the field is HOSTILE. This is very well characterized. This means that any positive statement you may make about the field will be counteracted and **refuted** purposefully by the field actors, even if it is over-costly to do so and the refutation can only hold for some time! Researchers do not take this into account but if schizophrenics are *hearing* people THINKING IT and just RE-ACT, because they want to keep the secret (they hear or speak in voices) a secret, researchers have to discount the possibility and be doubly astringent as to control even the people who interact with the subjects! It is like making family geneic studies while having a Church bent on hiding birth as a Church secret... you get the point, dont you?

    6. Re: Enhanced Noradrenergic Transmission by easyTree · · Score: 1

      To the point where everyone is required to be smoking at all times? You know, lie people in 50s movies...

      This includes pets.

  3. Re: I can believe it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    Smoke weed

  4. This is not news by PopeRatzo · · Score: 5, Funny

    The voices from my microwave have been telling me this for years.

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    1. Re:This is not news by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 3, Insightful

      About 3.5 million Americans are schizophrenic, about 1% of the population. It is a major root cause of homelessness, addiction, suicide, and many other social problems. Yet we consider it funny to ridicule them in ways that would not be acceptable for other disabilities. Why is that?

    2. Re:This is not news by h33t+l4x0r · · Score: 1

      Apparently we need a new tutorial, so since 5 days ago, here's how it works.
      Take a look around the room. If any of the following is the case, it is unacceptable to make fun of that particular disability.
      * someone in the room has the disability
      * someone in the room you know has a close relative with the disability
      * You are in a room full of academics, liberals, or hollywood personalities
      * You are POTUS, or otherwise someone who will need to answer to the press
      Otherwise you may assume it's safe to proceed with your ridiculing.
      And for god's sake if you are posting anonymously on a forum website like /., please feel free to say whatever the fuck you want without self-censoring for political correctness.

    3. Re:This is not news by sheramil · · Score: 2

      Yet we consider it funny to ridicule them in ways that would not be acceptable for other disabilities. Why is that?

      If you feel your position in the tribe is threatened, the safest thing to do is lead an attack on someone even less capable.

    4. Re:This is not news by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Who are you talking to?

    5. Re:This is not news by BlackPignouf · · Score: 1

      My wife has schizophrenia and I still laughed real loud after reading the gp joke.

    6. Re:This is not news by h33t+l4x0r · · Score: 1

      The truth is that schizophrenics have been revered throughout history. Noah, Abraham, Moses, Jesus and Mohammad, Any weirdo who thinks God is telling them to kill their kid or build a boat is a prophet and dudes with actual vision like Alexander the Great have to take a back seat. What's so bad about turning that around?

    7. Re:This is not news by PopeRatzo · · Score: 2

      About 3.5 million Americans are schizophrenic, about 1% of the population. It is a major root cause of homelessness, addiction, suicide, and many other social problems. Yet we consider it funny to ridicule them in ways that would not be acceptable for other disabilities. Why is that?

      You're right. I'm ashamed of myself. I am afflicted with comic sans Tourette's, wherein when something strikes me as funny, I am unable to filter myself. About 20% of the population has this disorder and it's the leading cause of shitty humor.

      But I'm curious: why does the number of people with a particular disability make it worse to ridicule them? Would it be OK to ridicule schizophrenics if the were a smaller percentage? I'm not criticizing your conclusion, I'm trying to figure out the threshold.

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    8. Re:This is not news by clonehappy · · Score: 1

      All sarcasm aside, I'm actually shocked we still consider anything to be mental illness anymore.

      It seems like it's all been normalized so we can explain it away as "born that way", "eccentric" or "that's what their brain feels they are" so we can hand-wave anyone who seriously considers helping people that are obviously mentally ill as bigots or hate-mongers.

      Eventually, I fear even the more serious mental illnesses, such as schizophrenia, will be lumped in with the rest and we have to give them their safe space and won't be allowed to suggest they might get any kind of help.

    9. Re:This is not news by clonehappy · · Score: 1

      Why is it OK to ridicule anyone because of the way they're born? No one has control over becoming schizophrenic any more than they have control over their sexuality, gender, race, color, creed, or disability. While your joke is funny (I tend to enjoy off-color humor), you'd be raked across the coals if you made light of any of the other statuses besides mental illness.

    10. Re:This is not news by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Oh comon people ridicule each other for all sorts of things.

      I catch flak for being overweight all the freaking time. To be honest though I find the best course of action is to make fun of myself first. Its not as much fun for others if you can find humor in it yourself.

    11. Re:This is not news by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1

      Good job buddy!

      I live to serve.

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    12. Re:This is not news by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1

      Trump won and you lost, so suck it up buttercup. It's a new day.

      Your unwillingness to make fun of the disabled is exactly why you SJWs lost so badly.

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    13. Re:This is not news by plopez · · Score: 1

      What I had found strange was the large number of homeless or somehow struggling people I met who smoked. Almost all of them smoked. This is a plausible explanation.

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    14. Re:This is not news by damsgaard · · Score: 1

      I'm skitzo and I think that the above was funny.
      Why are you normies so damn humourless?
      I don't know if nicotine helps me, but I do get psychotic every time I do stop smoking :-(

    15. Re:This is not news by b783719 · · Score: 1

      My toaster is telling me that, that your microwave can't possibly talk.

  5. First post. by Gravis+Zero · · Score: 1

    I know it's not the first post but the voices insisted I post anyway. ;)

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  6. hmm i smoke, and have some symptoms by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    it sounds like this should be a commercial. Do you tend to avoid social situations..yes.. do you hear voices..no. does the tv talk directly to you..no. do you think everyone around you is talking about you..of course

    light up a cowboy killer. you might have a low blood flow to your prefrontal cortex, and some gene variant that these little tobacco puffers can cure!

    studies also show higher intellect leads to less socializing. No desire to talk to dummies is a mental health problem that must be cured. More deliberate dumbing down of the people

    1. Re:hmm i smoke, and have some symptoms by gnick · · Score: 1

      does the tv talk directly to you..no.

      I'll bet I think this song is about me!

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  7. secondhand smoke by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    I've never been a smoker myself, but my imaginary friend from childhood vanished around the time I started hanging out with smokers. She came back too, shortly after I stopped breathing secondhand smoke. If I ever start smoking firsthand, it might kill her. We've been imaginary friends so long now I just couldn't do that to her.

    1. Re:secondhand smoke by budgenator · · Score: 1

      So Drop Dead Fred.

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  8. Nicotine Shown To Reduce Symptoms of Schizophrenia by TWX · · Score: 4, Funny

    Hmmm.. That explains why my psycho ex-girlfriend would calm the fuck down when she'd have a cigarette...

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  9. Re:By "reduce symptoms" do they mean "die earlier" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Weirdly enough the lung cancer rate of schizophrenics is significantly lower than the population as a whole despite a higher than normal rate of smoking. http://www.schizophrenia.com/s...
    Interestingly they also have lower rates of rheumatoid arthritis. Presumably there's a link between the immune system and schizophrenia.

  10. Re:I can believe it by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I have a cousin with schizophrenia. He was institutionalized for a few years. I visited him regularly and ended up volunteering to help out at the psych ward. Over time, I met more than a hundred patients. I would say 80-90% of them smoked or used nicotine patches (which were free while cigarettes were not). Compare that to about 11% smokers for the state (California) or 15% for the whole country. This was all back before vaping, which should be a big help for these people, since they can get their nicotine fix without all the crap in tobacco smoke.

  11. nicotine is evil ! by swell · · Score: 1

    In the Western World there is a moral imperative to denounce cigarets, alcohol, drugs and anything that smacks of fun. It is our proud Christian heritage. Right or wrong, we are emotionally dedicated to this cause and will not be deterred by inconvenient facts. Proper taxing and licensing of these corrupt activities can make them technically legal, but never morally acceptable.

    The 'inconvenient facts' are that there is an element in each of these activities that benefits society and individuals. In the case of tobacco, one immense benefit is nicotine.

    Nicotine is closely related to choline which millions take for mental benefits. It helps students learn and remember. It helps stressed workers and others to feel calm. And nicotine does the same.

    Subversive scientists are learning about benefits in alcoholic beverages and illicit drugs despite pressure from legislators and moral dictators and timid journalists who are afraid to publish the findings. Medicine, the law and the church (superstition) are keeping us in the dark ages.

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    1. Re:nicotine is evil ! by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 5, Insightful

      In the Western World there is a moral imperative to denounce cigarets, alcohol, drugs and anything that smacks of fun.

      Go talk to some smokers. Very few consider cigarettes to be "fun". 90% of smokers started before they were 18. The tobacco industry depends on getting children addicted before they have the maturity to make a rational decision. They deserve to be denounced, and we have a moral imperative to do so.

    2. Re:nicotine is evil ! by sjames · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Cigarettes should be denounced, but not nicotine.

      It's amazing to me how often the bad effects of smoking get attributed to nicotine itself.

    3. Re:nicotine is evil ! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Cigarette != nicotine. Nicotine is an addictive but potentially useful drug. A cigarette is a cancer inducing, inefficient, odorous, expensive way of obtaining a dose.

    4. Re:nicotine is evil ! by Dorianny · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Go talk to some smokers. Very few consider cigarettes to be "fun". 90% of smokers started before they were 18. The tobacco industry depends on getting children addicted before they have the maturity to make a rational decision. They deserve to be denounced, and we have a moral imperative to do so.

      I started smoking in a ex-communist country with no such thing as advertisement or even a tobacco industry. We started smoking because we saw adults that we looked up to doing it. The fact that it was considered "for grownups only" made it even more enticing, after all childhood is simply the process of learning how to act and graduating to adulthood. Vices like smoking were seen as a sort of a right of passage by the the younger generations, I can't image it is all that different in the rest of the world

    5. Re:nicotine is evil ! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      And then there are people like me, who didn't start smoking until after turning 18, and who have now quit but still enjoy smoking a cigar every now and again. Unlike cigarettes, cigars are enjoyable to me. And I'm not talking about crap like Swisher Sweets or Black & Milds, I'm talking things like Obsidian, La Gloria, and Cohiba. They're like fine whiskeys, all tasting differently and something to be savored, and like a fine whiskey I enjoy it in moderation. Maybe once a month or so. Except that you'd think I was murdering children and feeding puppies into a blender the way that people react when I tell them that.

      So how about you take your "moral imperative" and cram it? If I want to smoke, it's my decision. It shouldn't be up to others to tell me that I can't just because they don't like it.

    6. Re:nicotine is evil ! by swb · · Score: 1

      Not me. I loved cigarettes. I rolled my own using either Dutch tobacco or rolling tobacco from the tobacconist. Conventional mass-market cigarettes I found intolerable, and I would actively refuse them in when I ran out of my own tobacco.

      I also smoked far fewer cigarettes than my peers who smoked conventional pre-rolled cigarettes. In a typical day I maybe only smoked 6-7. Partly because they were stronger than conventional cigarettes, and partly because it took some effort to roll them and you couldn't just reflexively grab the next one out of the pack.

      I think "light" cigarettes made people more compulsive smokers because they provided so little nicotine that you had to smoke another. I'm sure it was a known side effect of light cigarettes which Big Tobacco was aware of and why they helped promote them as somehow beneficial.

      I was also self-conscious as a smoker, and tried to avoid smoking at all around non-smokers or even in my own residence.

      I quit about a dozen years ago, which I found relatively easy to do. I'll admit that laws barring smoking in bars made it easier because there were just so few places you could smoke. But when they announce the asteroid strike and we all have 6 months left, I will start smoking again.

    7. Re:nicotine is evil ! by Tukz · · Score: 1

      Yeah, while ignoring the 70+ other ingredients they add to cigarettes.
      Including freaking chocolate to increase dependency.

      Not saying nicotine isn't unhealthy, but it's by far not the unhealthiest ingredient in cigarettes.

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    8. Re:nicotine is evil ! by CrimsonAvenger · · Score: 2

      It is our proud Christian heritage.

      Pretty sure that particular bit of "Christian heritage" is really "Calvinist heritage". They were the subset of Christianity that really went overboard with the "if it's fun, it must be evil" thing....

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    9. Re:nicotine is evil ! by gnick · · Score: 1

      Except that you'd think I was murdering children and feeding puppies into a blender...

      At least when you're murdering children and blending puppies you're not invading my space with your second hand smoke. And just think of the carbon emissions! Unclean!

      Seriously, when my apartment complex goes smoke-free later this year, I've got a predicament on my hands.

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    10. Re:nicotine is evil ! by gnick · · Score: 1

      Not me. I loved cigarettes.

      I still do. I go through about a pack a week of light ("Silver") cigarettes smoking 1/3-1/2 at a sitting - The mass market things you don't like. The little nicotine rush is nice, but I think it's the act of smoking that brings me back - I just enjoy relaxing with a smoke.

      I was also self-conscious as a smoker, and tried to avoid smoking at all around non-smokers or even in my own residence.

      I don't smoke in my apartment, my car, or before or during work. Maybe the biggest deterrents for me are smelling like an ash try and being judged by non-smokers. People hold a lot of stereotypes about smokers. And, since I embody most of them, I try not to reinforce them.

      I quit about a dozen years ago, which I found relatively easy to do. I'll admit that laws barring smoking in bars made it easier because there were just so few places you could smoke.

      I quit for about 15 years - I was in a relationship with a non-smoker. Going several days at a stretch without one isn't a hurdle when I'm not at home. The day will come, this year, that my apartment complex goes smoke free, so I guess I'm quitting again. Vaping I guess is an option - I've tried it and enjoy it, but it lacks something that I get from a nice smoldering lung-dart.

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    11. Re:nicotine is evil ! by swb · · Score: 1

      I still do. I go through about a pack a week of light ("Silver") cigarettes smoking 1/3-1/2 at a sitting - The mass market things you don't like. The little nicotine rush is nice, but I think it's the act of smoking that brings me back - I just enjoy relaxing with a smoke.

      [...]

      Vaping I guess is an option - I've tried it and enjoy it, but it lacks something that I get from a nice smoldering lung-dart.

      I've also tried vaping and found it remarkably like smoking, but not quite the same. I think there's a physiological response from an actual burning cigarette that vaping can't really replicate. But I can see that it would also be an easy replacement for smoking, especially considering there's absolutely no odor. You could vape at home or in the car or even in the office, and unless someone saw you, they'd never detect it, your clothes, car and house wouldn't stink.

      Towards the last year or so that I smoked, I tried the occasional cigarette routine which didn't quite work. My wife tolerated a pack of cigarettes in the liquor cabinet, to be consumed on occasion, but I found myself too drawn to them and cheated the system quite a bit (spare pack, smoked from and used to replenish the cabinet pack when it was pilfered).

      I think I ultimately cut back during this phase, since while I smoked *more* than the "occasional cigarette" routine assumed, I wasn't smoking at will as I had before, and I think it probably contributed to making just quitting work, along with the public smoking ban in bars (the last public bastion here). I had basically run out of places I could get away with smoking with any regularity.

      While our son was in elementary school, we attended a series of charity parties for the school and I was surprised to see the dilettante casual smokers among the other parents (mostly 5-10 years younger). I would try one from them (usually ghastly lights of some kind or other) and feel absolutely no desire to smoke cigarettes again.

    12. Re: nicotine is evil ! by Type44Q · · Score: 1

      Yeah, while ignoring the 70+ other ingredients they add to cigarettes.

      It's actually hundreds... everything from nutmeg to formaldehyde...

    13. Re:nicotine is evil ! by sjames · · Score: 1

      IIRC, when separated from all the other crap in cigarettes, nicotine is about on the level of caffeine as far as harmful potential (though it's easier to overdose). It's also a lot less addictive without the MAOIs found in cigarettes.

    14. Re:nicotine is evil ! by Kitano123 · · Score: 1

      Go talk to some drinkers. Very few consider alcohol to be "fun". 90% of drinkers started before they were 18. The alcohol industry depends on getting children addicted before they have the maturity to make a rational decision. They deserve to be denounced, and we have a fascist imperative to do so.

      See how dumb your statement is now? Most people smoke because they enjoy it, they stop because its bad for them. We don't need fascist ass holes like you telling us what to do its one of your fucking business.

    15. Re:nicotine is evil ! by s122604 · · Score: 1

      I think you may be overstating it. Nicotine presents cardiovascular issues not found in affine.

    16. Re:nicotine is evil ! by sjames · · Score: 1

      There may be some effects, but there is nothing so far suggesting a problem for healthy users. People with cardiovascular disease are often advised to reduce or eliminate caffeine as well.

  12. This explains a lot... by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    No wonder I'm the only sane person in my family. Everyone else smokes.

    1. Re:This explains a lot... by ZiakII · · Score: 1

      Or they are all sane and you are the crazy one......

    2. Re:This explains a lot... by Oligonicella · · Score: 1

      Or the poster is just as crazy as they are but they're self-medicating. Part of schizophrenia is not seeing the world as it is.

    3. Re:This explains a lot... by budgenator · · Score: 1

      The point of the research wasn't that nicotine caused schizophrenia, but that nicotine was a common and somewhat effective self-medication for schizophrenia. When someone says "I'm the only sane person ..." we tend to worry about him.

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  13. How is this only coming to light? by EmperorOfCanada · · Score: 1

    A friend of mine worked with schitzos. The medical and government policy was to pile on the tobacco as they all knew it was mostly good for their condition. Even the schitzos knew this as they would do whatever the hell they could for more.

    Is this the sort of science that wasn't done as it was so obvious that everyone assumed that it had already been done.

    1. Re:How is this only coming to light? by afxgrin · · Score: 1, Insightful

      I suspect it's nicotine withdrawal that exacerbates the symptoms of schizophrenia, not nicotine use reducing the symptoms. They're just maintaining their addiction.

    2. Re:How is this only coming to light? by budgenator · · Score: 1

      I suspect it's nicotine withdrawal that exacerbates the symptoms of schizophrenia, not nicotine use reducing the symptoms. They're just maintaining their addiction.

      I read a Paper, " "The Endochronic Properties of Resublimated Thiotimoline", once that described how an event can happens before it's cause; must be like that.

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  14. Schizophrenia versus Cancer by backslashdot · · Score: 1

    Umm, I'll take schizophrenia instead. So will myself. And me.

    *Yes Yes I know you can inject nicotine instead of smoking cigarettes and getting lung cancer. There are after all other types of cancer one could want.

    1. Re:Schizophrenia versus Cancer by sjames · · Score: 2, Informative

      Nicotine isn't the least bit carcinogenic. It's the other stuff in cigarette smoke(and in chewing tobacco but not snus) that causes the cancer.

  15. bullshit by TimMD909 · · Score: 1

    That's not what the voices in my head tell me...

  16. Oh thank goodness by GerbilKor · · Score: 1

    Did not RTFA. I'll just stick with the headline and assume I'm all good from here. Cough cough

  17. Looks like I picked the wrong week... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1
  18. Re:Nicotine Shown To Reduce Symptoms of Schizophre by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Bleh, kissing a smoker. Been there, done that, no desire for a repeat.

  19. Smoking and religion by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    So, smoking tobacco may cure religion.

  20. I Knew it! by nospam007 · · Score: 3, Funny

    I always knew, that people standing in Minus temperatures before buildings in a storm to smoke, were mentally ill.

  21. Re:I can believe it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    I vape all of the time and have never had that problem. In fact, vaping helped me to quit smoking and my lung capacity is much better now and improving all of the time.

    It sounds like you weren't doing something right, maybe your vape was spitting because you were using dirty atomizers or you weren't cleaning your gear regularly or you were vaping at too low of a wattage. If you are doing it right, it should feel almost like you're pulling air.

    And no, vapour is not harmful, otherwise people who live by the sea, who live in foggy or humid areas or areas would have problems. Not to mention people who cook or go to saunas or take hot showers regularly or use facial steamers or use inhalers.

  22. See Also! by neoshroom · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Interesting, I suspect that increased Norepinephrine in the prefrontal cortex mediated by the activation of Nicotinic receptors increases prefrontal cortical control over the limbic system. I wonder if Atomoxetine would do the same thing.

    Also see this earlier Slashdot article: https://science.slashdot.org/s...

    On that article I responded to:

    The title says peppers but it says nicotine is actually the chemical at work. There are actually a few positive effects nicotine possesses, the negative effects of smoking are mediated by the oxidation products of cigarettes.

    Which makes me wonder if electronic cigarette products may not only be not bad for you, but even potentially beneficial as they give you a low dose of nicotine through vaporization without the oxidation caused by burning.

    https://slashdot.org/comments....

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    1. Re:See Also! by jabuzz · · Score: 5, Interesting

      While probably much safer than traditional cigarettes, electronic cigarettes still carry risks. For starters the flavoured ones produce toxic and carcinogenic compounds when they are vaporized. See following link for peer reviewed paper on the subject.

      http://pubs.acs.org/doi/abs/10...

      Here are three peer reviewed papers that show that e-cigarette vapour causes DNA damage

      https://academic.oup.com/toxsc...

      http://www.sciencedirect.com/s...

      http://www.nature.com/ebd/jour...

      If you need a low dose of nicotine then I would suggest gum or patches would be safer than e-cigarettes but I doubt even then that it is a zero risk choice because in general there is no such thing as zero risk choice.

    2. Re:See Also! by silentcoder · · Score: 1

      I switched to vaping when my wife fell pregnant. As a vaper I'm under NO illusions that this is a HEALTHY alternative, that's bullshit. Healthier yes, but not healthy.

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    3. Re:See Also! by jabuzz · · Score: 1

      I never said that vaping was not better than traditional cigarettes I just said it was not without some risk. There was a suggestion that you could vap all you wanted and there was *ZERO* risk from it, it is clear that is highly unlikely to be the case.

    4. Re:See Also! by easyTree · · Score: 1

      How does it compare to the control of vaping only on air ?

  23. Re:By "reduce symptoms" do they mean "die earlier" by BlackPignouf · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Indeed. Suicide, accidents and overdoses have been shown to be very effective at reducing lung cancer rates!

  24. Re:Only reduce? by silentcoder · · Score: 1

    What ? In the same way that a 45 Luger can eliminate a migraine ?

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  25. Re:I can believe it by demonlapin · · Score: 1

    There's more in most vaping liquids than just nicotine and water. I wouldn't call it harmless. But if the choice is between smoking and vaping, the latter is a lot cleaner.

  26. Photos or it's fake by Provocateur · · Score: 1

    All these links to stories about declassified photos, yet all *I* want to see is one ONE measly photo of the mice, stepping out of this lab, taking a smoke break, just hanging out with these guys in their lab coats. Maybe showing off their "tracks" from other labs, or something.

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  27. Vaping: how to go out with a bang by fyngyrz · · Score: 1

    And no, vapour is not harmful

    Well, but there is this...

    Technically, this is a hardware problem and may be resolved at some point, but as it is presently integral to the process, I'm pretty comfortable with "vaop(u)r is extremely harmful"

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    1. Re:Vaping: how to go out with a bang by BlueStrat · · Score: 1

      Technically, this is a hardware problem...

      Actually, in the vast majority of cases where a vaping rig explodes/catches fire, it's entirely the fault of idiots doing idiotic things with the gear. Things like using sub-Ohm range heating coil(s) on a battery/control unit not designed or rated for sub-Ohm use, attempting to wind their own coils and creating a short-circuit and then trying to use that shorted-out unit on a 'pro' box-mod without current/wattage limiting, and other types of user-error scenarios in direct opposition to all the warnings included in boxes and on the hardware itself. Some people are just determined to win a Darwin Award and if it doesn't happen when these geniuses screw around with vaping gear, they'll find something else to endanger themselves and others with. You should be thankful it's vaping gear they're abusing and being idiots with and not something like firearms.

      You cannot idiot-proof the world.

      There was a Slashdot item just the other day about researchers discovering a way to include fire retardants in lithium batteries, so hopefully this will mitigate the dangers of lithium battery fires/explosions for vaping gear as well as other hardware that uses lithium battery tech (like Samsung phones).

      Strat

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  28. Re:Only reduce? by alexo · · Score: 1

    That's what I like about /.

    You make a stupid joke, and from the discussion that follows learn some obscure facts on a completely unrelated topic.

  29. Re:Cat food by hackwrench · · Score: 1

    What do cat lovers have to do with anything? Isn't it a documented and indisputable fact that crazy old ladies eat cat food after they have run out of human food in the house? Kind of like: "I'm eating cat food? Must be running out of food... gotta go to the store again!"

  30. Re:Healthy by hackwrench · · Score: 3, Funny

    In other news, life is a series of tradeoffs.

  31. Re:Healthy by silentcoder · · Score: 1

    Indeed. I could have tried to quit, with a very high risk of failure, and put my daughter at risk - or I could take the much more guaranteed but not 100% effective option. I opted for the latter.

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  32. Re: I can believe it by skids · · Score: 1

    Also, people showing those effects while high should forget about ANY substance that plays with serotonin levels.

    I'm not going to go into details, but from personal experience I don't think that's a good rule... I'll just say effects of different drugs are, well, quite different from each other, even if they both alter serotonin levels.

  33. Re:Nicotine Shown To Reduce Symptoms of Schizophre by borcharc · · Score: 1

    Smoking calms people because they are effectively engaging in deep breathing exercises as they smoke. Nicotine is a stimulant and by itself should not calm people.

  34. Re:Healthy by TheFakeTimCook · · Score: 1

    I just want you to look at yourself and what you just said - you could have tried to quit, and put your daughter at risk... only a severe addict could ever rationalize a statement like that. Keep trying...

    News flash: Nicotine is physically addictive, and the act of smoking is psychologically addictive.

    Film at eleven.

  35. Reduces By Killing Patient by BrendaEM · · Score: 1

    My mother's psychiatrist gave my mother a nod for smoking. I wish her psychiatrist was there to also hold her hand while she needed 6 liters of oxygen a minute. She's died at 66.

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  36. Re:I can believe it by TheFakeTimCook · · Score: 1

    I tried vaping, it filled my lungs with clear goop and was hard to breathe when I woke up. That shit is very bad for you. I feel it's almost worse than cigarettes. I'm pretty sure you're not supposed to fill your lungs with liquid vapors. At least not that much at a time.

    Well, considering that one of the standard treatments for those with COPD involves using a Nebulizer (generally with something like Albuterol infused in the vapor), I would suggest that it is WHAT is being vaporized (the "flavor" chemicals and perhaps the frickin' GLYCOL) that is the issue, rather than "wet lungs" from the vapor itself.

  37. Re: I can believe it by Dread_ed · · Score: 1

    Here's the connection:

    1) People generally start smoking weed in their teenage years.
    2) Schizophrenia generally becomes symptomatic in the teenage years
    3) An diagnosed schizophrenic can have psychosis symptoms from smoking weed

    Therefore, to uninformed fucks, weed causes schizophrenia. So far studies imply correlation with zero causation. The rate of schizophrenia does not increase with smoking weed, but some people first notice symptoms concurrently with smoking weed.

    This wouldn't even be a discussion if the US government wasn't completely psychotic in its scheduling laws.

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  38. Re: lesbian cat owners dont eat catfood by Type44Q · · Score: 1
    Q) What did the lesbian vampire ask the other lesbian vampire?

    A) "Same time next month?"

  39. Re: Only reduce? by Type44Q · · Score: 1

    45 Luger

    Mom, is that you?? I've told you not to try telling jokes...

  40. Re: Nicotine Shown To Reduce Symptoms of Schizophr by Type44Q · · Score: 1

    Ever kissed a meateater... down there? I will state, for the record... that vegetarian chicks definitely taste better.

  41. Re:I can believe it by Highdude702 · · Score: 1

    Youre probably very correct, seeing as the ingredients in vape jizz is all oil bases. I figured after a month it wasnt worth it having to "build" coils and shit was a waste of time. plus it was making me feel like crap, so i just stopped it. I highly recommend not trying any of the vape "mods" or anything thats for "blowin' clouds" i figure it will eventually be outlawed.

  42. Re: Only reduce? by silentcoder · · Score: 1

    How disrespectful. What a way to talk to your mother. Go to your womb !

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  43. Re: Nicotine Shown To Reduce Symptoms of Schizophr by cellocgw · · Score: 1

    Ever kissed a meateater... down there? I will state, for the record... that vegetarian chicks definitely taste better

    To borrow from another joke, I respond: Wrong Hole!

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  44. Re:Only reduce? by demonlapin · · Score: 1

    ... that's not exactly an obscure fact if you know anything about guns. Nothing wrong with being ignorant of a field - god knows I'm a babe in the woods about a lot of things - but seriously, those are two of the most popular pistol rounds ever, for two of the most famous pistols ever.

  45. Re:I can believe it by TheFakeTimCook · · Score: 1

    Youre probably very correct, seeing as the ingredients in vape jizz is all oil bases. I figured after a month it wasnt worth it having to "build" coils and shit was a waste of time. plus it was making me feel like crap, so i just stopped it. I highly recommend not trying any of the vape "mods" or anything thats for "blowin' clouds" i figure it will eventually be outlawed.

    I would imagine that the vapes that are designed around Tobacco might be targeted at temps different for those that are designed for vaping Marijuana. At least that would be what I would hope.

    But once you start listening to the modders and coil-winders, all bets are off. Most of those people don't even know the difference between vaping and combusting. They just want a big "cloud", as you said.

  46. Re:Only reduce? by budgenator · · Score: 1

    What ? In the same way that a 45 Luger can eliminate a migraine ?

    OMG the assault rifle ban is going to cause a migraine epidemic!

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  47. Re:Nicotine Shown To Reduce Symptoms of Schizophre by budgenator · · Score: 1

    Smoking calms people because they are effectively engaging in deep breathing exercises as they smoke. Nicotine is a stimulant and by itself should not calm people.

    Yeah that's why they give kids amphetamines so they can sit still isn't it.

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  48. Re:Only reduce? by silentcoder · · Score: 1

    A pistol is now an assault rifle ?

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  49. Re:I can believe it by Highdude702 · · Score: 1

    Google "vape juice ingredients" and you will see that I fact I'm right and you made yourself look like a moron. I looked into making my own and I know people that make their own.

  50. Re:I can believe it by Highdude702 · · Score: 1

    Well that goes back to 90% of youtubers are morons and have nfi what their talking about most of the time. I watched a few videos a while back and the guy was trying to explain ohms law. I'm an electrician by trade for 16 years.. I had to turn it off it was so misinforming

  51. Re:I can believe it by TheFakeTimCook · · Score: 1

    Well that goes back to 90% of youtubers are morons and have nfi what their talking about most of the time. I watched a few videos a while back and the guy was trying to explain ohms law. I'm an electrician by trade for 16 years.. I had to turn it off it was so misinforming

    LOL! I feel ya!

    I am an electrical engineer by trade (or I was before I pissed-off my boss for outing him as a poser...). One of the warning signs I have always used to determine when someone is just b.s.-ing is when they start sticking-together terms-of-art that don't go together. I am SURE that laughable YT video had a metric buttload of that "fun-ness"...

  52. Re:Only reduce? by budgenator · · Score: 1

    Lugers are 9mm not 0.45 inch; shoot someone in the leg with a 9mm an ambulance takes them to the hospital, with a 45APC, the leg probably comes mostly off and they bleed out. A lot of anti-gun people would consider the Thompson an assault rifle.

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  53. Marketing? by easyTree · · Score: 1

    A last-ditch effort to attract the only customer deemed worthy of the product?

  54. Re:Healthy by easyTree · · Score: 1

    What worked for me was picturing some giant overbearing asshole behind a big desk (potentially wearing some kind of cowboy hat) leaning over the desk to bark an order to a minion re. enforcing his will over the world's population solely for his own financial gain. What a fucker. Don't buy him another five-pool yacht.

  55. Re: I can believe it by easyTree · · Score: 1

    Hopefully he's smart enough not to take that advice. There aren't as many studies; but weed can trigger psychosis symptoms.

    Smoke weed mixed with tobacco!?

  56. Re: I can believe it by easyTree · · Score: 1

    * 'weed causes psychosis'
      * 'tobacco fixes it'
      * weed can't be taxed as easily as tobacco
      * therefore weed is bad

  57. Re:I can believe it by easyTree · · Score: 1

    If you are doing it right, it should feel almost like you're pulling air.

    Which, presumably is the next logical step?

  58. Re:Only reduce? by silentcoder · · Score: 1

    Actually, wrong, 45 Cal Lugers DO exist. They are very rare and only a few were ever made, but they are a thing. At least one was plated in gold and last sold at auction for over a million dollars.

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  59. Re:By "reduce symptoms" do they mean "die earlier" by BlackPignouf · · Score: 1

    Many (all?) antipsychotic drugs have some heavy side effects. Patients pretty much have to decide between illness, obesity, parkinson symptoms or any combination of those 3. No wonder they might get heart diseases.

  60. Re:I can believe it by Highdude702 · · Score: 1

    Yes, One of my favorites who is intelligent and knows what hes talking about whether its from a previous education or just researching before he makes his videos, is AvE That guy is awesome. Most others that talk about anything technical just fuck shit up. Also got to remember part of job security is covering your bosses fuck-ups and inexperience. Im from Las Vegas, NV The land of the Self Proclaimed Journeyman. Makes my job hard, My main job when im not running a job of my own is to travel from job to job fixing peoples fuckups.. Makes for a nice job for me as i get to fuckoff and use my brain to figure out what the guy was attempting to do. Also stressful, so i smoke weed(and its legal here now!)