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Scientists Find 'Oldest Human Ancestor' -- A Big-Mouthed Sea Creature With No Anus (bbc.com)

An anonymous reader quotes a report from BBC: Researchers have discovered the earliest known ancestor of humans -- along with a vast range of other species. They say that fossilized traces of the 540-million-year-old creature are "exquisitely well preserved." The microscopic sea animal is the earliest known step on the evolutionary path that led to fish and -- eventually -- to humans. Details of the discovery from central China appear in Nature journal. The research team says that Saccorhytus is the most primitive example of a category of animals called "deuterostomes" which are common ancestors of a broad range of species, including vertebrates (backboned animals). Saccorhytus was about a millimeter in size, and is thought to have lived between grains of sand on the sea bed. The researchers were unable to find any evidence that the animal had an anus, which suggests that it consumed food and excreted from the same orifice. The study was carried out by an international team of researchers, from the UK, China and Germany. Among them was Prof Simon Conway Morris, from the University of Cambridge. The study suggests that its body was symmetrical, which is a characteristic inherited by many of its evolutionary descendants, including humans. Saccorhytus was also covered with a thin, relatively flexible skin and muscles, leading the researchers to conclude that it moved by contracting its muscles and got around by wriggling. The researchers say that its most striking feature is its large mouth, relative to the rest of its body. They say that it probably ate by engulfing food particles, or even other creatures. Also interesting are the conical structures on its body. These, the scientists suggest, might have allowed the water that it swallowed to escape and so might have been a very early version of gills.

136 comments

  1. "A Big-Mouthed Sea Creature With No Anus" by mmell · · Score: 0, Troll

    Well, that lets the current POTUS out . . . near as I can tell, he's all anus!

    1. Re:"A Big-Mouthed Sea Creature With No Anus" by jfdavis668 · · Score: 1, Funny

      No, he is definitely all mouth, since that is where all the shit is coming out.

    2. Re:"A Big-Mouthed Sea Creature With No Anus" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Building a wall!

    3. Re: "A Big-Mouthed Sea Creature With No Anus" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hey! How's TempleOS going?

    4. Re:"A Big-Mouthed Sea Creature With No Anus" by mmell · · Score: 1

      My mistake. I stand corrected.

    5. Re:"A Big-Mouthed Sea Creature With No Anus" by magarity · · Score: 1

      It's much more accurate to say this creature was clearly from the time before politics in general was invented.

    6. Re:"A Big-Mouthed Sea Creature With No Anus" by Rick+Schumann · · Score: 1

      All mouth

      Oh, you mean like this?

    7. Re: "A Big-Mouthed Sea Creature With No Anus" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You two and a half stupid n1ggers share one common anus and a vagina, the same as obamas

      Well, I'd wager that they are still getting laid a lot more than you............unless you're counting your right hand.......

    8. Re:"A Big-Mouthed Sea Creature With No Anus" by Opportunist · · Score: 2

      It certainly had to be from a time before politicians if they couldn't find an asshole.

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    9. Re:"A Big-Mouthed Sea Creature With No Anus" by jazzdude00021 · · Score: 1

      A quick study of most politicians shows that the mouth probably served both functions....

  2. Not me! by oddaddresstrap · · Score: 1

    Like I told my kid the other day, "You might be a descendant of a big-mouthed sea creature with no anus, but I certainly am not!"

    1. Re:Not me! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Your kid's mother has no anus? Must be liberating never to worry about banging backdoor by accident.

    2. Re:Not me! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Eww you pervert, you banged a mermaid!

    3. Re:Not me! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      you banged a mermaid

      in the mouth

    4. Re: Not me! by Type44Q · · Score: 1

      So you accidentally slide into your lovers' anuses regularly? If so, you can be pretty sure you're either afflicted with needledick or they're afflicted with gape-ass...

    5. Re:Not me! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Maybe he found one with girl bottom and fish top. They don't talk.

    6. Re: Not me! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      G-ape-ass is the obamas nickname in certain pedophile jihadist circles.

    7. Re: Not me! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Like I told my kid the other day, "You might be a descendant of a big-mouthed sea creature with no anus, but I certainly am not!""

      She originally had one but then I met her and destroyed it.

    8. Re:Not me! by ClickOnThis · · Score: 1

      you banged a mermaid

      in the mouth

      A mermaid .. unfortunately divided lengthwise.

      [apologies to Woody Allen]

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    9. Re: Not me! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Bass to mouth.

  3. Cue the POTUS jokes.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ..... so predictable.

    1. Re:Cue the POTUS jokes.... by CaptainDork · · Score: 1

      Done.

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    2. Re:Cue the POTUS jokes.... by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      Why?

      At least read the summary, it clearly said NO ASSHOLE.

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  4. I know that guy by chuckugly · · Score: 1

    Pretty sure that guy sits a few cubes over.

    1. Re:I know that guy by antdude · · Score: 1

      It can't be me since I'm not there. :P

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  5. That is totally unsurprising! by jjeffries · · Score: 1

    NT

  6. Dammit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I was going to post that I had found the anus. It has been masquerading around as my ex-wife, but the Trump trolls beat me to the draw.

  7. Big-mouthed creature with no anus? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Sounds like one of my ex-girlfriends.

  8. Also discovered by MrKaos · · Score: 4, Funny

    The evidence for why some people talk out of their anus.

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    1. Re:Also discovered by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's called the Trump Phenotype

    2. Re:Also discovered by ausekilis · · Score: 1

      I was going to make the more tasteless joke targeting eating disorders... I think yours is better.

  9. it wuz a liberal... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...of course

    1. Re:it wuz a liberal... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      nah. They're total assholes.

    2. Re:it wuz a liberal... by ClickOnThis · · Score: 3, Insightful

      News flash: assholes exist across the political spectrum. No matter what side you're on, rise above them.

      That is all.

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    3. Re:it wuz a liberal... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No matter what side you're on, rise above them.

      That assumes the person preferring a top position. Many voters apparently don't.

  10. Don't deuterostomes form the anus first? by jfdavis668 · · Score: 5, Informative

    I know this comes later in evolution, but doesn't the first orifice for the anus, and the second the mouth in a deuterostome? I realize this creature has only one opening, so it uses it for both. If so, it shouldn't be called a "big mouthed sea creature with no anus" but a "big anus sea creature with no mouth."

    1. Re:Don't deuterostomes form the anus first? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      What comes out the anus if it has no mouth?

    2. Re:Don't deuterostomes form the anus first? by jfdavis668 · · Score: 1

      It works both ways.

    3. Re:Don't deuterostomes form the anus first? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I know this comes later in evolution, but doesn't the first orifice for the anus, and the second the mouth in a deuterostome? I realize this creature has only one opening, so it uses it for both. If so, it shouldn't be called a "big mouthed sea creature with no anus" but a "big anus sea creature with no mouth."

      You must be a glass half full kind of person ;)

    4. Re:Don't deuterostomes form the anus first? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's one of the great embryology exam trip up questions.

    5. Re:Don't deuterostomes form the anus first? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      You are 100% correct.
      [ Insert rant about science journalism here. ]
      (Seriously though, the article just missed a great opportunity to educate and make people think for no good reason.)

    6. Re:Don't deuterostomes form the anus first? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      On the contrary. The article definitely made me think for no good reason.

    7. Re:Don't deuterostomes form the anus first? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Obviously, only real BS comes out. Because that thing doesn't talk its way out, but sh*t its way out.

    8. Re:Don't deuterostomes form the anus first? by syntotic · · Score: 1

      200 million years from microscopic devil (devils have no anus), to Dinosaurs? Arent these people lost in fake figures? I guide myself by what I learned when I was five, I dislike how time is being shortened recently in this matter... I see a forced guideline behind this to avoid having people lost in time so everything had to just have happened in this civilization recently irregardless...

  11. Ancient Slavers? by Chmarr · · Score: 1

    So... these were the evolutionary ancestors of the Slaver race? (From Larry Niven's Known Space stories)

    1. Re:Ancient Slavers? by jfdavis668 · · Score: 1

      No, life on Earth developed from their food yeast.

  12. "Big-Mouthed Creature With No Anus" by Tablizer · · Score: 1

    Must ... resist ... Trump ... jokes ...

    1. Re:"Big-Mouthed Creature With No Anus" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Trump is at least second generation. Assuming he has evolved an anus, but obviously only uses the one hole.

  13. A Big-Mouthed Sea Creature With No Anus by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Well, that explains some things.

  14. Now just hold one goddamn second by Wraithlyn · · Score: 2

    A gaping mouth and a weird posterior...

    AND NOT A SINGLE MOM JOKE ANYWHERE?

    Internet, I am disappoint.

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    1. Re:Now just hold one goddamn second by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sounds like Mooschell Obama!

    2. Re:Now just hold one goddamn second by ClickOnThis · · Score: 1

      A gaping mouth and a weird posterior...

      AND NOT A SINGLE MOM JOKE ANYWHERE?

      Internet, I am disappoint.

      Your mom and I are also.

      There, how's that?

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    3. Re:Now just hold one goddamn second by Citizen+of+Earth · · Score: 1

      I was expecting Trump jokes, like "Does it has wispy blonde hair?"

    4. Re: Now just hold one goddamn second by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A gaping mouth is better than a gaping anus. I was very disappointed to not see any goatse references in the comments. What has trolling come to these days?

  15. Jokes by valnar · · Score: 0

    Came here for the Trump jokes. Not disappointed so far.

  16. The last time the human race could actually claim by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Of course libtard are clearly evolved from something else

  17. Chose a bad day to post this topic by jfdavis668 · · Score: 1

    Not that fun wouldn't be had with this subject any time, but I think this week was a particularly poor time to post this article.

  18. 540 Million years ... by PPH · · Score: 3, Funny

    ... to grow an anus. And now the mouth and anus are difficult to tell apart.

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    1. Re:540 Million years ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Exactly, as of last November we've come full circle as a species.

      Congrats humanity!

    2. Re:540 Million years ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You also-ran Americans who think you make up the whole species...

      In some other parts of the world, we've had that for ages!

    3. Re:540 Million years ... by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      Did they make yet another human centipede movie?

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    4. Re:540 Million years ... by Neuronwelder · · Score: 1

      I think I understand your difficulty. When you listen to politicians it's all the same..

    5. Re:540 Million years ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Don't blame me. I didn't vote for him.

  19. In a related story... by riskkeyesq · · Score: 1, Funny

    researchers discovered a complete anus with a mouth at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue.

  20. no anus? look closer.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The researchers were unable to find any evidence that the animal had an anus, which suggests that it consumed food and excreted from the same orifice.

    This one traits makes it more closely related to humans than anything else in the universe.

  21. Aww . . . did 'ums get 'ums feewings huwt? by mmell · · Score: 0, Flamebait
    So easy to get a Drumpf supporter's goat - their Emperor has no clothes and they have no minds!

    Karma to burn - waste your points downmodding me all you like (besides, I really kinda hate having to moderate all the time).

    1. Re:Aww . . . did 'ums get 'ums feewings huwt? by Stonent1 · · Score: 2

      Looks like his detractors are fare more triggered than his supporters.

    2. Re: Aww . . . did 'ums get 'ums feewings huwt? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Just like Rosie O'Donnell

  22. I guess this is why by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    My English teacher told me to shut up and stop the diarrhea of the mouth.

  23. Resemblance is uncanny! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I can totally see it! That's what it looks like in Spore anyway.

  24. Obligatory: by bmo · · Score: 0

    âoeThe Talking Asshole Routineâ from Naked Lunch

    William S. Burroughs

    Did I ever tell you about the man who taught his asshole to talk? His whole abdomen would move up and down you dig farting out the words. It was unlike anything I ever heard.

    This ass talk had sort of a gut frequency. It hit you right down there like you gotta go. You know when the old colon gives you the elbow and it feels sorta cold inside, and you know all you have to do is turn loose? Well this talking hit you right down there, a bubbly, thick stagnant sound, a sound you could smell.

    This man worked for a carnival you dig, and to start with it was like a novelty ventriliquist act. Real funny, too, at first. He had a number he called âoeThe Better âOleâ that was a scream, I tell you. I forget most of it but it was clever. Like, âoeOh I say, are you still down there, old thing?â

    âoeNah I had to go relieve myself.â

    After a while the ass start talking on its own. He would go in without anything prepared and his ass would ad-lib and toss the gags back at him every time.

    Then it developed sort of teeth-like little raspy in-curving hooks and started eating. He thought this was cute at first and built an act around it, but the asshole would eat its way through his pants and start talking on the street, shouting out it wanted equal rights. It would get drunk, too, and have crying jags nobody loved it and it wanted to be kissed same as any other mouth. Finally it talked all the time day and night, you could hear him for blocks screaming at it to shut up, and beating it with his fist, and sticking candles up it, but nothing did any good and the asshole said to him: âoeItâ(TM)s you who will shut up in the end. Not me. Because we dont need you around here any more. I can talk and eat and shit.â

    After that he began waking up in the morning with a transparent jelly like a tadpoleâ(TM)s tail all over his mouth. This jelly was what the scientists call un-D.T., Undifferentiated Tissue, which can grow into any kind of flesh on the human body. He would tear it off his mouth and the pieces would stick to his hands like burning gasoline jelly and grow there, grow anywhere on him a glob of it fell. So finally his mouth sealed over, and the whole head would have have amputated spontaneous â" (did you know there is a condition occurs in parts of Africa and only among Negroes where the little toe amputates spontaneously?) â" except for the eyes you dig. Thats one thing the asshole couldnâ(TM)t do was see. It needed the eyes. But nerve connections were blocked and infiltrated and atrophied so the brain couldnâ(TM)t give orders any more. It was trapped in the skull, sealed off. For a while you could see the silent, helpless suffering of the brain behind the eyes, then finally the brain must have died, because the eyes went out, and there was no more feeling in them than a crabâ(TM)s eyes on the end of a stalk.

  25. Re:Don't deuterostomes form the anus first? MOD UP by shoor · · Score: 4, Interesting

    So far, jfdavis668 is the only person to make a sensible comment. (As opposed to some lame, obvious, snarky, schoolboy type joke.)

    I was thinking about that deuterostome angle myself. I wondered if this critter was supposed to be before the deuterostome/protostome split. But they explicitly say in the article that it is a deuterostome. Well, the article didn't say there was no anus, just that they hadn't found one (yet).
    .

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  26. no assholes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    and we've been making up for lost time for the last 50,000 years.

  27. Evidence of Evolution by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Creature with no anus? Now the assholes are everywhere, but now, no balls anymore.

    1. Re:Evidence of Evolution by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      But lots and lots of dicks.

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  28. Trump Fish by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Finally spotted in the wild.

  29. No news here. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    That's Obama. Full of it since there was no anus.

  30. So basically Donald Trump. by Gojira+Shipi-Taro · · Score: 0

    Swinging at the low hanging fruit since 1968

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  31. /. is deteriorating by InterGuru · · Score: 2

    At level 2 and above, I saw 22 comments, only three of which were serious. The comments by jfdavis668 and associated replies.

    If this continues, I will just stay off the site.

  32. Irony by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Ironic since people are nothing but assholes nowadays.

  33. How do I banged mermaid? Like a mammal by tepples · · Score: 1

    Presence of hair, breasts, and other evidence points to merpeople being mammals. Their privates (including anus) resemble those of a dolphin, seal, manatee, or other marine mammal, once you get a mermaid to unfasten her scaled swimsuit.

    1. Re:How do I banged mermaid? Like a mammal by bickerdyke · · Score: 1

      Presence of hair, breasts, and other evidence points to merpeople being mammals.

      They may be like Platypuses and still lay eggs?

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    2. Re:How do I banged mermaid? Like a mammal by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's not hair, it's tentacles... very thin tentacles!!

    3. Re:How do I banged mermaid? Like a mammal by RockDoctor · · Score: 2
      Nope. Breasts developed AFTER the development of internal development.

      Look at your pet platypus or echidna and you'll see that they exude milk from modified patches of sweat glands, which is then lapped up from the skin by the infant. Breasts (with internal milk channels leading to one nipple per breast) developed after the ancestors of the monotremes diverged from the ancestors of the marsupials and the placentals.

      Or were you being facetious?

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  34. I have a 3B year old Stromatolite by thinkwaitfast · · Score: 1

    It's is older and also an ancestor

    1. Re:I have a 3B year old Stromatolite by RockDoctor · · Score: 1
      [Jealous]

      My stromatolite is only a billion (maybe up to 1.2 billion) years old. It's not far structurally below a meteor impact ejecta layer though, so it's descendants probably died in an interesting way.

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    2. Re:I have a 3B year old Stromatolite by thinkwaitfast · · Score: 1

      I have a slab of Acasta (sp?) gneiss too. :) (I was bored one day on ebay)

    3. Re:I have a 3B year old Stromatolite by RockDoctor · · Score: 1
      Ah, but I collected my stromatolite samples from the field a couple of hours and a cold lunch after a morning of clambering over the impact ejecta sheet. No eBay involved.

      I did use eBay for my meteorite slab - Brennan Pallasite. And rust fragmented it in a couple of years. Verily does the universe extract it's revenge.

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    4. Re:I have a 3B year old Stromatolite by thinkwaitfast · · Score: 1

      Haha. Sounds like more fun than ebay. I'm an engineer, not a paleontologist or geologist, but I used to work for some

    5. Re:I have a 3B year old Stromatolite by RockDoctor · · Score: 1
      Most of the people on the weekend trip (we did other geological stuff the previous day) were non-geologists too. The trip was led by a professor who worked on the meteorite impact structure (whose accommodation and travel costs we paid) ; I'm a professional geologist who is paid to look at uninteresting sludge ; the trip organiser was a school geography teacher. About 1/3 of the others were mature students of some sort (geology, geography, oceanography). the rest - just Joe Random Soap (including spouses and/ or children of the students). All in all, a well mixed bunch. It's fun, if you like that sort of thing.

      The previous time I was out with this bunch (some of the same people ; same organisation) we had a fun day gold panning and another day collecting fossil fish in the horizontal rain. Vive la difference!

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  35. Please, no political jokes by mnemotronic · · Score: 1

    I know; the temptation is undeniable, but resist. I'd like just one slashdot story without a "my guy is bigger than your guy" political flamewar.

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  36. Seriously, and not Trump for a moment by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    On what basis do we know this is the "oldest human ancestor", even theoretically?

    What evidence is there that history is:

    Saccorhytus -> ... -> Human ...rather than...

    Saccorhytus -> ... -> extinction

    Some earlier organism -> something vaguely similar to Saccorhytus -> ... -> Human

    Is there actual evidence for the first scenario over the second, or is this basically "sciencey clickbait"?

    1. Re:Seriously, and not Trump for a moment by MightyMartian · · Score: 2

      "Earliest ancestor" is a bit of scientific short hand. In long form it means "the fossil we've found is related to and a lot like we expect the earliest ancestor to appear." The odds of any fossil we find actually being that of a direct ancestor of any extant population is pretty small, but it isn't a vast leap to state that seeing that this earliest known deuterostome was hanging out in the sand 500-odd million years ago, it was likely representative of the earliest members of the superphylum, and the actual common ancestor to all extant deuterostomes would have looked a lot like it.

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    2. re: Seriously, and not Trump for a moment by tkjtkj · · Score: 1

      Actually, your offerings do not jibe with how evolution happens .. Eg, a gorilla did not evolve to be homo sapiens : Rather, a PRECURSOR of the gorilla evolved to be a PRECURSOR (most likely) of humans .. So, Saccorhytus did NOT evolve to be human ... That is the basis for the general design of the 'evolutionary tree' ..

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    3. Re: Seriously, and not Trump for a moment by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The article says "earliest human ancestor".

      If you do not take that to mean there is a reproductive "ancestor" relationship there, what does "ancestor" mean to you?

      "Saccorhytus is something that existed before humans did"?

      A rather weak claim, and rather weak "science news".

  37. Isn't that a myth? by Shane_Optima · · Score: 2

    I thought that the "embryo development parallels/replays evolution" thing was a myth? So the anus forming first in the embryo has nothing to do with when it first evolved.

    (This shouldn't be confused with studying similarities in embryo development to infer evolutionary relationships.)

    1. Re:Isn't that a myth? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Ontogeny recapitulates phylogeny"

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

    2. Re:Isn't that a myth? by jfdavis668 · · Score: 4, Informative

      This is the biological definition of deuterostomes. As the embryo changes from a mass of cells to an organized body, the mass starts to cup and folds around to form an internal cavity. This becomes the body cavity. The hole left eventually becomes the anus. The mouth forms later. All deuterostomes form this way till today, including all chordates/vertebrates and sea stars and related other sea creatures. Protostomes do the opposite, the initial hole becomes the mouth. These are the arthropods and mollusk and the like. It is not an evolutionary hold over, but the body forming process that continues to this day.

    3. Re:Isn't that a myth? by RockDoctor · · Score: 1
      Although they have 45 specimens, they only range over a little more than a factor of 2 in size, and seem to be a single size distribution. Or, to put it another way, only one part of the life cycle of these organisms has been identified and assigned to this organism (there may be other parts of the life cycle in recovered samples, but they haven't been assigned to this morphological species ; it's a general problem in palaeontology).

      Latest-Ediacaran ("Neoproterozoic" - terminology has changed over time) metazoan embryonic fossils have been identified in other phosphorite-rich rocks from further south in China (http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v391/n6667/full/391553a0.html) ; but linking such few-hundred-cell stage fossils to fossils that can be as large as 1.2mm is going to be hard. but that would be needed to compare modern concepts of "deuterostome" with these ancestral organisms.

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  38. I've had some good jobs, and some bad jobs.. by sheramil · · Score: 1

    .. but I've never had a supervisor direct me to find an anus, and therefore I've never had to report to a supervisor "Sorry, couldn't find it."

    1. Re:I've had some good jobs, and some bad jobs.. by RockDoctor · · Score: 1

      Hand in your nerd card until you've revised your Derek & Clive.

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  39. They have named it... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    the Feminist.

  40. Creationists by Rick+Schumann · · Score: 0

    If you thought Creationists had fits over the idea we're descended from primates, just imagine how much of a conniption fit they'll have over this.

  41. Ancestors of Schlock by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    He did come from Earth!

  42. Jaba the Hutt by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Have you seen it's picture? Proof that humanity is descended from Jaba the Hutt!

  43. Proof that ... by Laxator2 · · Score: 1

    ... assholes appeared only in recent times. Back then creatures were more civilized.

  44. I know who that is by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    It's Pac-Man

  45. Bible ReWrite In The Works? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What Will God Do Now That He Has Been Exposed As A Fraud?

    1. Re:Bible ReWrite In The Works? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      God Created Man. The Bible says so. However, nothing is said of HOW God created Man. God, I am sure, was perfectly capable of designing Man an then putting the processes into place that would cause Man to be. After all, God created the Universe, and the Laws of Physics, before He created Man. We also know that God does not renege on his own covenants, of which the Laws of Physics and the Universe are a part. So, He must have created Man in a way that complied with His own covenants. If that meant waiting 13 Billion years for His creation to come to pass, so be it. He has time, after all; He created it.

    2. Re: Bible ReWrite In The Works? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nicely written.

    3. Re:Bible ReWrite In The Works? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    4. Re:Bible ReWrite In The Works? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > God Created Man. The Bible says so. However, nothing is said of HOW God created Man.

      And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

      It never made much sense to me why God would need to make man from dust. He made the dust out of nothing, didn't he? Why the extra step?

  46. Re:It's come back by jellomizer · · Score: 1

    Hey don't make fun of the Grand Nagus.

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  47. Re:Don't deuterostomes form the anus first? MOD UP by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

    Years ago I was watching a TV show where a professor was arguing that a nothing could live in a 2D universe because there would be no way for it to feed, as feeding required both a month and an anus. I thought it sounded wrong at the time, why not just regurgitate waste through the mouth? I must have been pretty young at the time, but it's kinda nice to get confirmation all these years later.

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  48. Re:Don't deuterostomes form the anus first? MOD UP by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Years ago I was watching a TV show where a professor was arguing that a nothing could live in a 2D universe because there would be no way for it to feed, as feeding required both a month and an anus. I thought it sounded wrong at the time, why not just regurgitate waste through the mouth? I must have been pretty young at the time, but it's kinda nice to get confirmation all these years later.

    In a 2-dimensional universe you are an isosceles triangle, sir.

    Cheers from the Great Circle.

  49. Demoncrap ancestor by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "which suggests that it consumed food and excreted from the same orifice"

    For this reason many have suggested that the Saccorhytus is the ancestor of all Democrats.

  50. That is irrelevant to this discovery by Shane_Optima · · Score: 1
    You seem to be implying that just because the embryo of deuterostomes develops the anus first, that somehow means that orifice must have evolved first. That is an incorrect assumption.

    Just because the anus forms first in the embryo does not necessarily mean that the embryo of a proto-deuterostome used that same hole "first" before evolving the second one. Embryo development itself changes with evolution; there's no reason to suspect that each evolutionary step could only add features onto the very end of gestation.

    An AC has helpfully linked Wikipedia's sourced article on recapitulation theory, which says:

    The theory of recapitulation, also called the biogenetic law or embryological parallelismâ"often expressed using Ernst Haeckel's phrase "ontogeny recapitulates phylogeny"â"is a largely discredited biological hypothesis that the development of the embryo of an animal, from fertilization to gestation or hatching (ontogeny), goes through stages resembling or representing successive stages in the evolution of the animal's remote ancestors (phylogeny). Since embryos also evolve in different ways, the theory of recapitulation is seen as a historical side-note, rather than as dogma in the field of developmental biology.

    1. Re:That is irrelevant to this discovery by jfdavis668 · · Score: 1

      The paper is not calling this a proto-deuterostome, it calls it a deuterostome. To fit the definition of deuterostome, the first hole evolves into the anus of all decedents. If that is not the case, the paper is using the wrong terminology.

    2. Re:That is irrelevant to this discovery by Shane_Optima · · Score: 1

      To fit the definition of deuterostome, the first hole evolves into the anus of all decedents.

      Citation needed. The definition of deuterostome as I understand it is that the first hole that the embryo develops eventually turns into the anus. The definition of deuterostome makes no claim about whether the anus-hole or mouth-hole evolved first. Evolutionary development is not synonymous with embryological development.

      The fact that all organisms that have embryos which follow this sequence of development share a common ancestor does not necessarily mean that this hole was the one that first appeared, evolutionarily speaking.

      The only way I can make sense of your claim is if you're claiming that this creature is an immature deuterostome embryo. But if this is a fully gestated creature with only one orifice, and if it is indeed an ancestor of deuterostomes, you cannot say for certain that orifice must correspond with the first orifice that deuterostomes develop embryologically.

      Because there isn't any direct, temporal parallel between evolutionary changes and embryological changes.

  51. The Mouth of Sauron? by Walter+White · · Score: 1

    I think whoever did the artist's concept must have been an LOTR fan.

  52. genus name by siamesevodka · · Score: 1

    Wait for it..... Donaldus Trumpus although Hilarus Clintus came in second....

    1. Re:genus name by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Butthole McButtface.

  53. Why not call it .... by tkjtkj · · Score: 1

    From the data: "The researchers were unable to find any evidence that the animal had an anus, which suggests that it consumed food and excreted from the same orifice." https://slashdot.org/ it appears that a more-relevant name might be Republicanus Fascisti

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  54. Worked With One of These by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm pretty sure I've worked with one of these deuterostomes...

    Big mouth... Check.
    No anus... Check (I have to assume, considering what came out of the Big Mouth. I did not and will not check).
    Sea creature... OK sure, why not.

  55. Re:Don't deuterostomes form the anus first? MOD UP by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Well yeah. Every time you spout your cancerous progressive drivel, you're regurgitating waste through your mouth.

  56. And ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ... if you go to the Whitehouse, you'll find a big-mouthed land creature who is *all* anus.

    Boom, boom, you've been a great audience, I'm here all week :-)

  57. Harlan Ellison by coinreturn · · Score: 1

    To paraphrase Harlan Ellison, "I have no anus, and I must shit."