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Reddit Bans Far-Right Groups Altright and Alternativeright (theguardian.com)

An anonymous reader quotes a report from The Guardian: Social media site Reddit has banned two of the largest far-right "subreddits" groups it hosts, altright and alternativeright. The subreddits have been used in the organization of America's resurgent neofascist movement but the final straw for Reddit was the two groups' participation in what is known as "doxing": sharing private personal information without permission as a form of online harassment. The subreddits were specifically banned for breaking Reddit's content policy, according to a message posted by the site admins, "specifically, the proliferation of personal and confidential information." Reddit did not make it explicit which content infringed its rules, but it is believed to be attempts to dox the protestor who punched a white nationalist during a TV interview at Donald Trump's inauguration. Speaking to the Daily Beast, one Reddit moderator claimed that the ban was instead a result of its "record monthly traffic" (Reddit moderators, like the creators of individual subreddits, are all volunteers with no official relationship to the site's staff). "It's clear that Reddit banned us because we were becoming very popular and spreading inconvenient truths about who's ruining our country and robbing our children of a future," the moderator said.

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  1. Re:Rad Left by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    If they're doxing, they will. You do realize of course that the bans were because of that and not because of their political leanings. I mean, you're a Slashdot user, so you of course read at least the story description.

  2. Doxing by AmiMoJo · · Score: 4, Informative

    It's the fact that the moderators failed to clamp down on it, and even encouraged posting personal data that really forced Reddit to ban the entire boards, rather than just individual users.

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    1. Re: Doxing by amicusNYCL · · Score: 4, Informative

      I wouldn't say it's "just as likely". What he did was wrote code to automatically change references to himself, to the moderator. Because everyone kept calling him a pedophile while they were discussing how it's likely that a child sex ring was being run out of a pizza parlor. Having code that trolls the users by changing things so that they're calling their own moderator a pedophile instead of the guy in charge of Reddit is completely different than fabricating an entire campaign of trying to dox some guy who hit some other guy in order to get an entire group of people banned. It's not "just as likely". That's a false equivalence if I've ever seen one. I realize that people like to try and call out "false flag" whenever something happens, but I don't think this is the flag you're looking for.

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    2. Re:Doxing by deadwill69 · · Score: 4, Informative

      "The government's taking "extreme action"? Who's been shot? "with total disregard for the law"? Really?"

      at least eight women and seven children, ages 3 to 13, had been killed
      https://theintercept.com/2017/...

      Her father had been killed years ago. This was uncalled for by any stretch of the imagination. She , as well as her father were both American citizens. While I'm not saying he didn't need to be dealt with, (which should have been through a court of law) this was just uncalled for.

      And before you call me a bleeding heart liberal, I'm retired usmc with 23 years and 3 combat deployments.

    3. Re:Doxing by kilfarsnar · · Score: 3, Informative

      You call it a Muslim ban, yet: - It doesn't encompass all Muslims but merely 7 countries. - Those 7 countries are precisely the ones Obama listed as a risk to the USA. - Obama banned travel from Iraq for 6 months to reconfigure the vetting and security system because overhauling a system requires a temporary stop, while Trump extended Obama's own system on Obama's 7 listed countries and is doing the same presently.

      Did you even know of these details? I'm guessing not. Were you present to call it a "Muslim ban" and throw shit at Obama when he did this? I'm guessing not. Do you go online and research and validate the words of people, instead of blindly believing them just because they sound righteous or emotionally good? I'm guessing not, because if you did, you wouldn't be calling it a "Muslim" ban, and you certainly wouldn't spew so much hypocrisy in a post for validation points.

      Oooh, hoisted on your own petard!

      http://www.snopes.com/president-obama-ban-muslims-2011/

      President Obama slowed down the approval process for one type of visa from one country. He did not ban travel from Iraq for any amount of time. Kellyanne Conway is a bald faced liar. And you, sir, are misinformed.

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  3. Re:LOL by MightyMartian · · Score: 2, Informative

    Explain the difference to me. I'm having a hard time seeing the difference, other than that, in the immortal words of Walter Sobchak, "at least National Socialism is an ethos."

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  4. Re:Why yes, let's ban them by Zaelath · · Score: 3, Informative

    Yeah, Reddit isn't government, your first amendment rights to pretend you can combat radicalization by shitposting on forums do not apply.

  5. Re:Nobody asked them to come to slashdot? by Berkyjay · · Score: 3, Informative

    Nah, we're still here.

  6. Re:LOL by AmiMoJo · · Score: 3, Informative

    White nationalist Richard Spencer coined the term in 2010 to define a movement centered on white nationalism.

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  7. Banned for Doxxing by jxander · · Score: 5, Informative

    The groups were banned for doxxing political opponents. That is, sharing personal information (name, phone number, home address, etc.) This behaviour is explicitly against the Reddit terms of service.

    The political leanings of the groups are unrelated to the ban (unless you assume a correlation between "alt-right" mentality and disregard for the established rules of a privately owned website)

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  8. Re:LOL by will_die · · Score: 3, Informative

    That is a popular lie that various alt-left sites say however the truth is that the term was coined years before that, go check google, set the dates and search.
    It was originally used as shortcut the the full term "alternative right" and described various groups that were did not want to be associated with the main right group. white nationalist groups did start applying it themselves afterwards.

  9. Re:The Guardian goes full racist by MightyMartian · · Score: 3, Informative

    The argument, and not an unreasonable one, is that African-Americans remain an economically disadvantaged group. Now we can certainly debate how much of that is due to intrinsic versus extrinsic factors, but if you're not willing to at least admit that many people in the inner cities, who primarily have been for decades poorer groups and often from minorities, live in poor economic conditions, then what you're fundamentally asserting is "black people are criminals who deserve to be shot."

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  10. Re:LOL by amicusNYCL · · Score: 4, Informative

    Here, let me help you out with the research, scanning the first page of Google results can be difficult:

    http://www.thedailybeast.com/a...

    Here's one:

    We know that from the platform from where the President was sworn in to 4th Street holds about 250,000 people. From 4th Street to the media tent is about another 220,000. And from the media tent to the Washington Monument another 250,000 people. All of this space was full when the President took the oath of office.

    That's not true.

    Here, here's another one:

    Spicer said 420,000 used the D.C. Metro public transit on Jan. 20, 2017, compared with 317,000 for President Obama’s 2012 inaugural.

    Not only is that not true, but both of those numbers are wrong.

    Here's another one:

    It was the “first time” that floor coverings were used to protect the grass on the National Mall, which had highlighted empty spots in the inaugural crowd, an effect not experienced in past inaugurations, he said.

    That's not true either.

    You asked for one, but there's three things he said which are demonstrably untrue. But instead of just admit that, she had to double-down and claim that they were alternative facts. If you want to re-watch that video where Conway and Todd discuss those specific statements made by Spicer then let me know so I can look that up for you too.

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  11. Re: The Guardian goes full racist by ooloorie · · Score: 1, Informative

    Best thing is you look at the data yourself; that's what I did.

    Academic studies find the same thing; here is a good summary: http://townhall.com/columnists...

    Here is another article debunking other claims of strong racial bias: http://www.nationalreview.com/...

    Misattributing the problems of African Americans to systemic racism is really dangerous. It's like insisting your doctor treat you for cancer when you're really suffering from heart disease.

  12. Re:LOL by Nostalgia4Infinity · · Score: 1, Informative

    Most of the left are stupid enough to call a ban on 7 countries that doesn't affect 87% of the muslims in the world a "muslim ban". Worrying about what perceptions people like that have is pointless, their perceptions are not based on reality to begin with.

  13. Re:LOL by Rakarra · · Score: 4, Informative

    The difference is that the "alt-right" is not actually a political ideology.

    It largely consists of 4chan anons and Twitter eggs saying outrageous things they do not necessarily fully believe in order to intentionally get a rise out of people because "fuck political correctness and fuck SJWs".

    The Alt-Right is a white nationalism movement, coined by Richard Spenser (the guy who got punched in a street interview recently) in 2010. He's been promoting it ever since. It certainly has roots in 4chan and 8chan, though it's always hard there to tell what is trolling and what is sincere, but it wasn't until the presidential election that the alt-right got much exposure with the selection of Steve Bannon last August to Trump's team. Bannon claims Breitbart is "the platform of the alt-right," and it's hard to dispute him on that.

  14. Re:LOL by CronoCloud · · Score: 4, Informative

    Pat Buchanan was one of the peoplethe GOP's âoeSouthern Strategyâoe, which is to this day subtle racism:

    In American politics, southern strategy refers to methods the Republican Party used to gain political support in the South by appealing to the racism against African Americans harbored by many southern white voters.[

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wik...

    So yes, you did support a bigot. How could you not know? As for the Cheeto in Chief, he basically re-used Buchanan's strategy.

  15. Re:LOL by vell0cet · · Score: 1, Informative

    According to wikipedia (with five citations):

    "White nationalist Richard Spencer coined the term in 2010 to define a movement centered on white nationalism, and has been accused of doing so to whitewash overt racism, white supremacism, and neo-Nazism"
    - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alt-right (second sentence)

    I feel like people on the right adopted it as a reaction to Clinton's speech without fully understanding the history of the term. They probably felt that anything that Clinton was against, they wanted to be a part of.

    I could be wrong though. Can you cite your claim that "It was originally used as shortcut the the full term "alternative right" and described various groups that were did not want to be associated with the main right group."?

  16. Re:LOL by AthanasiusKircher · · Score: 4, Informative

    He claimed the audience (total number of people watching) was greater. And this was, according to Akami, the largest live streamed event ever. So Spicer was correct: the audience for Trump was bigger.

    That is PART of what he claimed. Here's his actual quote:

    This was the largest audience to ever witness an inauguration, period, both in-person and around the globe

    And if you look at the transcript of what he actually said, that sentence was prefaced by several other sentences going into detail about the IN PERSON CROWD.** He did NOT say anything else about internet streaming or whatever other than hinting at it in "around the globe" in that sentence there. So, claiming that he was entirely or even primarily talking about internet audience is simply wrong. Yes, it may be true that more people streamed this inauguration online than ever before, but more streaming devices are also available to people than ever before in history. On the other side of things, maybe crowd numbers were muted a bit due to the rain forecast. There are all sorts of things that could have played into the numbers here.

    But two things are certain: Spicer was primarily making claims about the in-person crowd in his press conference, and the in-person crowd WAS NOT the largest ever at an inauguration.

    "Alternative facts" are the things the media leaves out of their reports so they can lie by omission to create a false narrative ("lol no one likes Trump") instead of a true narrative ("Trump's audience was fine and he is supported by many people.")

    This is truly ironic, because you are doing precisely what you're accusing the media of here. I could just as easily say: Alternative facts are the things meta-monkey leaves out of his posts so he can lie by omission to create a false narrative ("lol Spicer was right") instead of a true narrative ("Spicer was actually wrong about the in-person crowd, but he mentioned the global audience in passing and might have been correct in terms of streaming, even if that wasn't his point at all.")

    Remember, the mission of the media is to persuade with propaganda, not to inform with facts.

    Remember, the mission of internet posts is to win an argument, not to inform with facts.

    --- ** P.S. In case you are going to claim Spicer was talking about something else, here's an extended quotation in context of what he said, which was later defended by Conway for the "alternative facts."

    Secondly, photographs of the inaugural proceedings were intentionally framed in a way, in one particular tweet, to minimize the enormous support that had gathered on the National Mall. This was the first time in our nation's history that floor coverings have been used to protect the grass on the Mall. That had the effect of highlighting any areas where people were not standing, while in years past the grass eliminated this visual. This was also the first time that fencing and magnetometers went as far back on the Mall, preventing hundreds of thousands of people from being able to access the Mall as quickly as they had in inaugurations past.

    Inaccurate numbers involving crowd size were also tweeted. No one had numbers, because the National Park Service, which controls the National Mall, does not put any out. By the way, this applies to any attempts to try to count the number of protestors today in the same fashion.

    We do know a few things, so let's go through the facts. We know that from the platform where the President was sworn in, to 4th Street, it holds about 250,000 people. From 4th Street to the media tent is about another 220,000. And from the media tent to the Washington Monument, another 250,000 people. All of this space was full when the President took the Oath of Office. We know that 420,000 people used the D.C. Metro public transit yesterday, which actually c

  17. Re: LOL by Pfhorrest · · Score: 2, Informative

    "genderqueer", whatever that is

    "Genderqueer" just means "doesn't fit neatly into any other gender categories", "queer" being in the older sense of "weird".

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  18. Re:LOL by haruchai · · Score: 3, Informative

    "Most of the left are stupid enough to call a ban on 7 countries that doesn't affect 87% of the muslims in the world a "muslim ban"

    Trump, Conway & Spicer started off calling it a ban

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  19. Re:Make it fair by DogDude · · Score: 5, Informative

    In the last couple years, I have seen no valid reports of white supremacists out beating people

    Oh, you silly, mis-informed little boy. What planet do you live on?
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...
    http://www.cnn.com/2016/10/14/...

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  20. Re:LOL by GLMDesigns · · Score: 3, Informative

    Socially libertarians are live-and-let-live. The government, according to Libertarians, should not have the power to legislate your sexual life, what you consume (even if considered harmful), etc...

    Fiscally we're small-market mainly for the reason that the more power one gives to the state to "do good", to help "solve a problem" the more it can be used against you. (See sig) Secondly because government meddling, while it may do some good at some times, ultimately devolves into a cabal who uses the power of the purse and the police to enhance their own position.

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