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Reddit Bans Far-Right Groups Altright and Alternativeright (theguardian.com)
An anonymous reader quotes a report from The Guardian: Social media site Reddit has banned two of the largest far-right "subreddits" groups it hosts, altright and alternativeright. The subreddits have been used in the organization of America's resurgent neofascist movement but the final straw for Reddit was the two groups' participation in what is known as "doxing": sharing private personal information without permission as a form of online harassment. The subreddits were specifically banned for breaking Reddit's content policy, according to a message posted by the site admins, "specifically, the proliferation of personal and confidential information." Reddit did not make it explicit which content infringed its rules, but it is believed to be attempts to dox the protestor who punched a white nationalist during a TV interview at Donald Trump's inauguration. Speaking to the Daily Beast, one Reddit moderator claimed that the ban was instead a result of its "record monthly traffic" (Reddit moderators, like the creators of individual subreddits, are all volunteers with no official relationship to the site's staff). "It's clear that Reddit banned us because we were becoming very popular and spreading inconvenient truths about who's ruining our country and robbing our children of a future," the moderator said.
If you think that "alt right" means "far right", you have no idea what kind of shitstorm the left is busily trying to summon by calling for assassination, coup, and terror.
See that "Preview" button?
Why yes, let's ban them, that'll show them. I'm sure they are disbanding as we speak.
Or Reddit just drove them underground, removing the possibility that their ideas could be challenged in an open forum. That's real smart, *golf clap*; why don't you try running for President next? I'm sure the US government needs your assistance in its follies.
"It's clear that Reddit banned us because we were becoming very popular and spreading inconvenient truths about who's ruining our country and robbing our children of a future," the moderator said.
The go-to response of the alt-right: we reject your reality and substitute our own.
And it is fascists anti-fascists. Because not only they are fascists, but they are also a semantic contradiction.
Don't take me wrong, the ban is perfectly justified, but it's always right-wing fascists who get punished. This guy had no right to punch whoever it was in the face, and this is not an isolated case. Even moderate trump supporters get constantly beaten up with no consequences. A young college girl got pepper sprayed while giving an interview at UC, and several innocent bystanders were beaten up by the anti-fascist crowd, which was destroying everything b/c they didn't like a speaker the Republican student association had invited. These people are dividing the country, and creating a climate of tension and violence way more than the alt-right.
The media coverage is ridiculous, and focus instead on actual fake stories of people who are pretending to be assaulted by Trump supporters, a claim, as far as I know, always unfounded. End of rant. Good luck America.
Propaganda doesn't work well shared in secret.
We should just trust you on this right? No need to ask an AC for sources.
That's fine. Let them go to Stormfront. You have a right to your views and to discuss them with likeminded people. Major online portals have no obligation to help you.
If the White Supremacists are pushed back to their web forums which the rest of the world doesn't have to view, that's fine by me. I don't want to shut Stormfront down, I just don't want the sites I visit turning into Stormfront colonies.
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Also, much like your average Slashdot poster, they hate any change and pine for the halcyon days that never actually existed.
White nationalist?
White? What do they mean?
Also how is the skin color of that person relevant?
Because of racist SJWs and BLM people who think it's ok to attack white people?
If you start publishing personal details it is.
Stop being fucking stupid.
While I prefer to challenge people like Yiannopoulos in public, in this case I can see a reasonable justification for not inviting him to speak.
The guy is a serial outer of trans women. At previous tasks he has held up photos of women attending those colleges, repeated their names and mocked them for being trans.
Such attacks are unacceptable and you have to prioritize the safety of students over the desire to offer them a chance to hear him speak.
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SJW, n: "Someone I don't like, and by the way I'm a fuckwit" - AC
Whatever. You're still banned,and whining about secret 'persecutorial' motivations won't do anything to change that.
Stormfront will probably host you and not bat an eye. Why do you feel so deprived? If you wanted to stay on Reddit you could simply have stamped out the doxing problem and, you know, followed Reddit's 'pretextual' rules.
Here's the real inconvenient truth: the people in power only have one thing in common and it's money.
And they're doing all they can so that you idiots fight amongst yourselves instead of seeing that the rich are the real problem.
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Oh? Where are those folks? I remember them from previous elections. It seems that the main thing they're doing now is to stand by in the hope that the fascists in power will give them what they want. But the collateral damage is going to be so big, that it's hardly going to be a win for them.
Bruce Perens.
Given that people like Bannon and papers like Breitbart have been denounced as white supremacists and anti Semitic, it's obvious that the term has lost all meaning. Frankly, I don't care anymore whether people call me a racist or white supremacist; it's about as ridiculous as calling me a zoophile or cannibal.
Banning these people from Reddit only means that progressives will be even more out of touch with mainstream America than they already are. That kind of ignorance doesn't hurt Republicans, it hurts Democrats and progressives. You can't effectively advocate your point of view from a position of ignorance, or by demonizing the people you want to persuade.
Learn to listen, people, or keep losing.
Reddit tolerates all kinds of shit, they just don't tolerate doxxing (apparently, I'm not a user). There's plenty of weird stuff on there, the alt-right isn't necessarily any worse than a lot of the other stuff. So when they get banned but other things are still there, maybe that deserves a bit of quiet introspection rather than spouting off politically.
It's clear that Reddit banned us because we were becoming very popular and spreading inconvenient truths
They spelled "incorrect" wrong.
"Our two-party system is like a bowl of shit looking at itself in a mirror." - Lewis Black
Sure, "White Supremacists" can be blocked from Reddit, but what about the leftist nutjobs who believe that you should destroy other people's property and physically assault people with a different political viewpoint? I don't look at reddit as a rule, but I'd be willing to bet that extremist left wing groups exist on reddit and will not receive the same treatment as the "alt-right". That is true with Facebook and Twitter, so I assume it true on Reddit. Feel free to prove me wrong on that, I'll be happy to read about Reddit banning left wing nut jobs.
Frankly, if I had to look at who is worse right now I'd say it's the extremist progressive leftists who see no issues using violence against people simply because they have a different political view. In the last couple years, I have seen no valid reports of white supremacists out beating people. We have seen dozens of faked claims, and many of those have resulted in charges, but the "Right" has not been rioting and beating anyone. I have seen countless instances of leftists doing just that, and worse. Last night you have a young lady being interviewed on ABC punched in the face and pepper sprayed by one of these "oppressed" liberals. You have another pulled out of a car and beaten for no reason.
When you have a Government not prosecuting, or even arresting people, who are terrorizing people and preventing their free speech you will end up with a whole lot of violence from the other side. Hence you have a Trump supporter shooting an agitator at a separate rally after protesters started throwing bricks and rocks at people supporting the speaker showed up to counter protest.
People need to pay close attention to the rhetoric being used by the left right now. Sadly, the useful idiots really can't see the irony and hypocrisy in shutting down other people's free speech by committing physical violence while carrying signs and chanting slogans claiming the other side is fascist. They are claiming that words are violence, and a teacher who is an advocate for violent protests claimed that words from someone raped her. I wish I was joking, but both of those are factual. The claims that words are somehow causing physical harm is being used to justify violence against anyone not agreeing with (or bending over for) the leftists.
Trying times we are in right now, and in places like California I envision it getting worse before it gets better.
-The wise argue that there are few absolutes, the fool argues that there are no probabilities.
From where I sit, external to the US but in a first world country. It doesn't look like it is foreigners that are trying to take advantage of you as an American. It looks like it is a small section of the American people that are taking advantage of the rest.
You have no safety net for your people. There is nothing that stops people falling so far that crime, even violent crime, becomes the best option. Your healthcare system lets people rot. Your regulatory system is crazy complex and yet at the same time appears totally ineffectual in so many ways. Things like guns, abortion, gay marriage are all still topics for conversations rather than just settled and not even thought about.
As a people you seem to hate your own government. The whole guns argument of needing to rise up against your government is just crazy from an outsiders perspective. You claim history, but America is far from alone in having had a war for independence. Your police force are terrified of the people they are meant to look after, so they themselves have become terrifying.
Sure there are countries out there that would like to see the US gone. Comes of being a super power and stomping around in other peoples countries. But the vast majority of the world would actually like to see the US grow, be stable and prosper. Because weirdly enough, when the US is doing well, the rest of the world does well as well. It's not a I win you lose situation.
You are so concerned about some hateful shit of a girl getting pepper sprayed... where were you when peaceful protesters on college campuses were getting hosed down with pepper spray by an agent of the state for a simple sit in?
Some of us are appalled by both events. That's the problem here, and what people on "the left" keep missing: there are plenty of us out here who aren't racists, who aren't misogynist, who think Trump is a disaster-in-waiting, but who are frankly sick and tired of the political climate where we're called misogynist racists because we simply disagree with your "progressive" politics.
You lost the election because of people like us. Instead of taking the lesson to heart, you've doubled down on it.
What part of "shall not be infringed" is so hard to understand?
I'm going to go out and a limb and say I don't think Trump won because majorities in the Rust Belt, or even in more traditional Red states, are a pack of white supremacists. Obviously there is that element (and up until Nixon's South Strategy, that element was more associated with the Democrats, or at least on the fringes like the Dixiecrats), but it sure looks to me like a lot of people were very pissed off (and not without good reason) at what they viewed as the Washington establishment, at a pack of elites who had grown so comfortable in their ivory towers that even if they wanted to help the average person on the street, were so detached that they wouldn't even know where to begin.
So, to put it in rather blunt terms, the notion that Breitbarts, Milo, Bannon, and ultimately even Trump himself somehow represent the New America is absurd, to the point where Trump has entered the presidency with the lowest approval ratings of any new President since anyone started measuring that. I really do get the impression that he actually has damned little overarching political support outside his base. At best, general support seems to be of the "monkey wrench in the machinery", as in "we sure hope he fucks up the Washington establishment", but there seems little evidence that most Americans believe he's going to be a great president. I simply think the Alt-right, like the out and out White Supremacists, are delusional on this point.
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How about the "Muslim scare", where anyone with brown skin is automatically assumed to be a dangerous terrorist, and that people who belong to a one-billion member religion that isn't even in and of itself homogeneous are all declared to be part of some "Muslim hoard" that's going to take over America and declare Sharia law (meanwhile, ironically, some Evangelical and Conservative Catholic hold positions that would be more compatible with Sharia).
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The kind of 'common sense' that leads to violent riots at Berkley? Sorry, but I'm not overlooking human rights, decency, and free speech and I am not supporting fascism in any form, or from any political construct in the US.
As far as I am concerned, anyone who is partisan in America these days is a fool. Your "party" and your "ideology" are nothing more than focus-group-honed brain candy. The narratives they push are engineered to keep you emotionally off balance, stressed, and at the throats of your fellow Americans. Angry sheep are still sheep, no matter how "justified" and "right" you feel you are.
I swear to god its like watching 50 million Soros finger puppets fight 50 million Bannon finger puppets. Not a one of you have a single idea of your own. You just get the info pumped straight up your asses, completely bypassing your brain.
When the only tool you have is a claw hammer every problem starts to look like the back of someone's skull.
What you call common sense is just an extreme yet equally retarded opposite of the right's take on common sense.
I don't think it is common sense to ascribe the sins of ancestors to the descendants in the present for the purpose of shaming them and insulting them,
especially (but not exclusively) when you can't prove any such ancestral connection with a person without getting to know their individual family history or ethnic origins.
But then again, wasting time to know individuals and their histories is not common sense when your purpose is to "progressively" command how they should lead their lives and think according to your political religion of "greater good" and "progressiveness".
We live in the world of common sense where Feminism has become a moral-policing parody of Religious Puritanism, and are ready to join Muslims in chanting Allahu Akbar, while women are being stoned and killed for not wearing the correct clothes in over a dozen Muslim countries because the same Muslims who are supposed to fight to change those countries are now comfortably washing their hands from the responsibility and joining Western feminists in entertaining marches.
Common sense. Two words you could wipe your ass with and get it even more stained.
All the riots do were draw attention to Milo and increase his books sale. They would have been smart to just ignore him... which is really what these narcissists fear more.
He's a hero to some elements of the Left. The Left, like the Right, isn't a singular, and there are a helluva lot of people in the more centrist progressive category (like myself) who find the Chavistas to either be complete fucking morons, or in the case of Chavez and Maduro, just out and out criminals. Further, the whole "Bolivaran Revolution" crapola Chavez spent years spouting was little more than reanimating Bolivar's corpse for personal ingratiation and political gain (to the point where they literally dug the poor bastard's body up in what has to be one of the most grotesque displays in recent memory).
You see, this is the problem with talking purely in terms of "Left" and "Right", as if these vast monolithic adjectives were actually ideologies in and of themselves, and they're not. The "Right" often includes everything from right-of-center moderates all the way to frothing-at-the-mouth white supremacists, and somehow Libertarians get chucked in there as well, whereas the "Left" is everyone from left-of-center moderates through to wingnut Communists, often with certain anarchist socialist types thrown in as well (despite these groups being more like Libertarians).
So to say "the Left supported Chavez" is about as accurate as saying "the Right supported Pinochet". Clearly in both cases, large numbers of these supposed groups did not support these people. The people who I associate most often with, who might be called "progressives" and "social democrats" found Chavista populism and the incredibly short-sighted economic policies that Chavez instituted to be somewhere between incompetent and malevolent. My personal view is that Chavez may certainly have started out, like all such men, believing he was helping the Venezuelans, but in a pattern that Latin American political movements have partaken of for a couple of centuries now, ended up helping himself and his buddies in the process, thus simply transferring the kleptocracy from a right wing regime to a left wing regime.
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You call it a Muslim ban, yet:
- It doesn't encompass all Muslims but merely 7 countries.
- Those 7 countries are precisely the ones Obama listed as a risk to the USA.
- Obama banned travel from Iraq for 6 months to reconfigure the vetting and security system because overhauling a system requires a temporary stop,
while Trump extended Obama's own system on Obama's 7 listed countries and is doing the same presently.
Did you even know of these details? I'm guessing not.
Were you present to call it a "Muslim ban" and throw shit at Obama when he did this? I'm guessing not.
Do you go online and research and validate the words of people, instead of blindly believing them just because they sound righteous or emotionally good?
I'm guessing not, because if you did, you wouldn't be calling it a "Muslim" ban, and you certainly wouldn't spew so much hypocrisy in a post for validation points.
Reddit tolerates pretty much anything as long as it matches their political leanings. Not sure why anyone who values a neutral platform would visit the site.
"Literal Nazis"? I wasn't aware George Soros was actually in the government? I can't even think of anyone in Trump's group old enough to have been a Hitler Youth, let alone actively involved with the party back then. Was there someone there alongside Soros inventorying the possessions of Jewish households to make sure they all got confiscated properly?
The government's taking "extreme action"? Who's been shot? "with total disregard for the law"? Really? That's difficult to do by executive order - possible, I guess, but seems unlikely.
All I hear is "ZOMG, someone who disagrees with me is in power! The world is literally ending!". The right was just as worried about Obama, but you didn't see us randomly attacking Obama supporters on the street.
Socialism: a lie told by totalitarians and believed by fools.
When Rolling Stone publishes a rape account without diligently investigating and verifying the facts as reported, the magazine and the author get sued by the associate dean, the fraternity, and the frat members involved. So consequences are a thing. What's your point?
The OP was exaggerating, but he's probably referring to the Trump supporters who were literally making Hitler salutes at an alt-right convention:
http://www.theatlantic.com/pol...
I don't know that any of these actual neo-Nazis are in any government positions, but many of Trump's people do have ties to people in these groups.
So yes, the comparisons between Trump and his administration and supporters and Naziism are quite well justified.