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Anonymous Takes Down 10,613 Dark Web Portals (bleepingcomputer.com)

An anonymous reader writes: Anonymous hackers have breached Freedom Hosting II, a popular Dark Web hosting provider, and have taken down 10,613 .onion sites. In a message left on all Freedom Hosting II sites, the hackers claim to have found massive troves of child pornography imagery hosted on the company's servers. The hackers dumped 74GB of server files (half of which they say contained child pornography) and a database dump of 2.3GB. Security researcher Chris Monteiro has analyzed some of the dumped data. He says he discovered .onion URLs hosting botnets, fraud sites, sites peddling hacked data, weird fetish portals, more weird stuff, and child abuse websites targeting both English- and Russian-speaking buyers. Freedom Hosting II hosts about a fifth of all .onion URLs. The first Freedom Hosting service was targeted by Anonymous in 2011 and eventually shut down in 2013 after the FBI also found child pornography hosted on its sites.

120 comments

  1. Good job by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Normally I would not approve, but that much child stuff...good for them. Shut it down.

    1. Re:Good job by ArmoredDragon · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Well, in all of this, I did learn a new word: Vorarephilia.

      At some point, you have to wonder: How on earth do people come up with these different philias? Some things you can kind of understand at some level, like necrophilia and zoophilia because the requisite body parts are at least present in some form...but how the hell do you get sexual satisfaction out of swallowing somebody whole?

    2. Re:Good job by Fragnet · · Score: 1

      Vorarephilia

      Eh?

    3. Re: Good job by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Troll

      I made up "cisphobia" in a recent post. I'm now thinking of cisphilia, which is akin to being hetero. But I don't want to say it too much to not exclude constructive gays.

    4. Re:Good job by SciFurz · · Score: 3

      how the hell do you get sexual satisfaction out of swallowing somebody whole?

      Welcome to human nature.
      I guess this fetish is sort of like the one for asphyxiation. The thrill of getting close to death or dying.

      Anything that can cause a physical reaction can also be a trigger for a sexual reaction when the link has established in the brain. It might be best for your sanity to not search for these things on internet.

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    5. Re:Good job by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Dude, don't google every word you don't understand. Goatse was a low yield demonstration of that, it gets way worse.

    6. Re: Good job by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The US is going to be pissed they cannot take credit!

    7. Re:Good job by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You'll be next.

      "First they came on the Socialists, then they came on the Jews, then they came on me..."

    8. Re: Good job by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And all over their faces!

    9. Re: Good job by Noah+Haders · · Score: 2

      now if only anon would finally release the trump tax returns!

    10. Re:Good job by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So why do you want to be executed like a rabid dog? Fetishes are so weird.

    11. Re: Good job by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yep. Terrorists have weird feitshes.

    12. Re:Good job by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sounds like somebody needs some cock in his ass.

    13. Re:Good job by lucien86 · · Score: 1

      Things people get exposed to in childhood.. Vorarephilia is simply an extreme form of eating-digestion fantasy. If you want to know more about weird sexual fantasies just type 'fetishes' into Wikipedia... :)

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    14. Re:Good job by lucien86 · · Score: 1

      You should join ISIS. I hope you suffer a long and painful dead as a jihadi.. That kind of thinking is why we call you people 'Christian Taliban'.

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      Below the speed of light Special Relativity is one of the most accurate theories in physics - above the speed of light..
    15. Re:Good job by CommanderRyalis · · Score: 1

      I forgot who said it (maybe Adam Corolla) "If you can think it, some one some where in Los Angeles is doing it"

    16. Re: Good job by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Its pronounced ices, not isis. Or Gilgamesh.

    17. Re:Good job by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm not surprised that paraphilias exist. What I wonder is how people come up with these names for them. Using the Latin infinitive for a neoclassical compound is clearly wrong. It should be vorophilia.

  2. Tough break for Trump Administration... by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The FBI will have to find a new way to entrap people into child poornography, as they operate all the child pornography websites on the Internet.

    1. Re:Tough break for Trump Administration... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      When you say ALL, did you really mean it?

    2. Re:Tough break for Trump Administration... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      I hear certain 2016 presidential candidate losers don't mind child rapists as long as they pay their legal bills.

    3. Re:Tough break for Trump Administration... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Is their any footage of Russian prostitutes urinating for their clients?

    4. Re:Tough break for Trump Administration... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You might want to ask Podesta for some tips...

    5. Re:Tough break for Trump Administration... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      https://motherboard.vice.com/en_us/article/talking-to-the-hacker-who-took-down-a-fifth-of-the-dark-web

      The hacker said they had released a dump of system files from Freedom Hosting II, but not user data. They didn't want to publicly distribute this because, as mentioned, it allegedly contains a high amount of child pornography. But the hacker said he will provide a copy to a security researcher who will then hand it to law enforcement.

      Well, that's going to be useless for the FBI as there's no way to verify the authenticity of the data. Good job, asshole.

    6. Re:Tough break for Trump Administration... by HiThere · · Score: 1

      Yeah, but if they *could* validate it, he'd be the person they'd prosecute, so what're the options.

      --

      I think we've pushed this "anyone can grow up to be president" thing too far.
    7. Re:Tough break for Trump Administration... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      He could left the site up and tipped off the FBI as to its vulnerabilities so that they could have proceeded to open an investigation. OTOH, maybe the FBI was already investigating, and the hacker took down the site to give its users time to cover their tracks/destroy evidence.

    8. Re:Tough break for Trump Administration... by Billly+Gates · · Score: 1, Offtopic

      I hear certain 2016 presidential candidate losers don't mind child rapists as long as they pay their legal bills.

      Funny, the other one already is in court for just that

    9. Re:Tough break for Trump Administration... by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 3

      When you say ALL, did you really mean it?

      I read it on /., so it must be true.

      https://yro.slashdot.org/story/16/11/11/2138201/fbi-operated-23-tor-hidden-child-porn-sites-deployed-malware-from-them

    10. Re: Tough break for Trump Administration... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      BS. They can validate since they uploaded their own files. They just will pretend they know nothing.

    11. Re:Tough break for Trump Administration... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      The winner doesn't mind it either. Haven't you heard the types of comments he makes about 10 year old school girls? Or the comments he made about his own infant daughter's legs and breasts? The so-called president Cheeto Tweeto is a sicko.

    12. Re:Tough break for Trump Administration... by zedaroca · · Score: 2

      They admitted in court about running over half of the child pornography websites. It's not a crazy bet that the other half is theirs too (or at least part of it), but it is not a known fact.

    13. Re: Tough break for Trump Administration... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Its not like the CIA and George H W Bush and Ronald Reagan were CREATING the cocaine.. they were just organizing its international sale and distribution as part of a multilevel drugs for arms deal. No biggie.

    14. Re: Tough break for Trump Administration... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Your link says 23 and a hell of a lot more than that just got shut down. So no, not all.

    15. Re:Tough break for Trump Administration... by Noah+Haders · · Score: 2

      > It's not like they're out there creating the CP.

      #PIZZAGATE

    16. Re:Tough break for Trump Administration... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Just the tip...

    17. Re:Tough break for Trump Administration... by Trogre · · Score: 1

      But clearly Anonymous want Donald Trump in power.

      After all, last year they bragged about how they could ruin his campaign any time, and then did nothing.

      So either they're full of crap, or they didn't really want to do it in the first place. Which is it, guys?

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      "Nine times out of ten, starting a fire is not the best way to solve the problem." - my wife
    18. Re: Tough break for Trump Administration... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I love that turn of phrase... "Not a known fact". So a fact, just not known. At least it isn't alternative!

    19. Re:Tough break for Trump Administration... by Xenographic · · Score: 1

      Pizzagate?

      Why do you believe the FBI has anything to do with Podesta talking about a handkercheif with a 'pizza-related map' in leaked emails or with weird pictures found on Alefantis' now-defunct Instagram account?

    20. Re:Tough break for Trump Administration... by Noah+Haders · · Score: 1

      a lot of people say that TPTB in government are part of a wid-ranging conspiracy to exploit children in a sexual way. I think the FBI would have to be implicated in some way, because there's no way that TPTB would let FBI get the drop on them.

    21. Re: Tough break for Trump Administration... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      someone is new here....

  3. Am I missing something here? by Fragnet · · Score: 2, Insightful

    They did a data dump, a torrent, with all these sites on? Isn't that, you know, a bad idea?

    1. Re:Am I missing something here? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Re-read the article. They only torrented the database dump and system file dump. User data aren't in the torrent for obvious reason you mentioned.

  4. Link please by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What is the link to the torrent?

    1. Re:Link please by Notabadguy · · Score: 1

      He's asking for you know...scientific and research purposes.

    2. Re:Link please by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/1617245#loadmorebutton

      in this site somewhere, there has to be a link to the actual dump, but what im reading from people that are looking into the dump, the anons removed the cp before dumping it, there should not be any, tho i would not touch it with a ten foot pole just in case im reading it wrong

      they are saying its conversations and stuff like that, a lot of it seems to be the exact kind of expressions podesta used in his emails, like "having pizza for an hour"

      things are getting clearer, these organizations that go to the third world to "help", many of them are there to rape people, kidnap people, and steal the money from the donations

  5. Re:Misidentification of "sexual" stimuli by hackwrench · · Score: 3, Interesting

    The problem is one of taxonomy. When certain impulses are usually triggered by sex, they are labeled sexual, no matter whether the fact remains that they can be triggered by other neurological pathways. A lot of the social arguments are ones of taxonomy. Whether or not someone is male or female, or the less appealing classification of neuter, or whether the bonding of two or more individuals should be classified under the term, "marriage". ]

  6. Re:For Science! by hackwrench · · Score: 1

    And of course you want to know this for Science!

  7. Re:You too? by hackwrench · · Score: 1

    The timing of our two posts is incredible, especially considering the time between when I first saw his comment and when the urge to make this sort of comment on it became irresistible.

  8. It has to be said by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Over 9,000!

  9. Irony by lucasnate1 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Anonymous are attacking a hosting service that allows people to host things anonymously? Weren't these guys touted as the anti-establishment pro-freedom guys? Why does "FOR THE CHILDREN!!!" suddently the basic freedoms of all the non child abusers in the service?

    1. Re:Irony by Notabadguy · · Score: 5, Funny

      You had me for the first two thirds of your post, but then the words both stopped being words, and stopped being assembled in a fashion resembling a sentence, so your overall thought was lost.

    2. Re:Irony by lucasnate1 · · Score: 1

      I was asking why does the moral panic caused by "for the children" take priority over everything else?

    3. Re:Irony by Cmdln+Daco · · Score: 1

      Some things are hardwired into humanity, and one of those things is the protection of children.

      Moral relativity withers away when children are involved.

      Yes, I know it's not very postmodern, and childless 'libertard'* nerds living in mom's basement won't understand.

      (*A libertard is very different from a libertarian.

    4. Re:Irony by AmiMoJo · · Score: 0

      I'm expecting Mashiki to rant about these free speech hating, authoritarian, intolerant SJWs any minute now.

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    5. Re:Irony by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "suddenly trump the basic freedoms"
      FTFY. Someone forgot to turn their Trump filter off before hitting submit.

    6. Re:Irony by Oligonicella · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Cmdln Daco gave you the biological reason, here's a moral one: What is happening to these children is equivalent to someone, say you, being taken and tortured and forced to perform sexual acts. My guess is you would very much want someone to intervene and then punish. So do the children. I would also add that it's not a panic at all but a cold decision that the law looks at those people especially dark because the children are incapable of defending themselves and many times of even speaking out.

      I believe you're laboring under the assumption that someone who supports the idea that you shouldn't be tracked needlessly across your web travels must also support people directly harming children or providing cover in digital form for those that do. This is not the case.

    7. Re:Irony by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Which is ironic, because it allows people to misuse our drive to protect children to destroy the future of other children. As a parent, I deeply understand wanting to protect children above everything. I also see that my own children will need freedom in the future.

      Relativity does not whither away when children are involved. We are just blinded from it by the strength of our gut reaction.

    8. Re:Irony by lucasnate1 · · Score: 1

      Oh well, I guess I just need to learn from the conservatives and wait until they are 18, then we can have the state conscript them and forcefully send them to die.

    9. Re:Irony by lucasnate1 · · Score: 1

      Let's say that I do get tortured and abused, and someone gets pictures of it and puts them online, say in liveleak, or even in some "well respected" news site. Who is responsible for torturing me? The one who did it? Or the jerks who hosted the pics?

    10. Re:Irony by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If we look at history and current events, then you would be incorrect claiming that protecting children is hardwired into humans.

    11. Re:Irony by rtb61 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      'Anonymous' is anyone who wants to take a political action through the name of 'Anonymous'. So 'Anonymous' quite legitimately can be a team of FBI Agents and NSA agents who felt there were a group of foreign web sites that could not touch but that could be brought down by exposure, not quite legal but certainly within the spirit of 'Anonymous'. Where public justice fails private 'Anonymous' action can still succeed.

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    12. Re:Irony by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Cmdln Daco gave you the biological reason, here's a moral one: What is happening to these children is equivalent to someone, say you, being taken and tortured and forced to perform sexual acts. My guess is you would very much want someone to intervene and then punish. So do the children. I would also add that it's not a panic at all but a cold decision that the law looks at those people especially dark because the children are incapable of defending themselves and many times of even speaking out.

      That's a huge misrepresentation perpetuated by the police, media and antis that want to take the worst monsters and present them as the average pedophile. While there's certainly a small amount of material produced by use of force, threats, blackmail or knock-out drugs the vast majority of material is produced by girls they like to call groomed. Which is another way of saying that the so-called "abuse" is conducted through activity the children find enjoyable and do voluntary with people they love and trust. They're neither taken, tortured nor forced to perform. Our position is that if "make daddy squirt" is a fun game for a 3yo then it's not wrong. I've seen six year olds beg to be eaten out. Nine year olds who love rubbing one out in front of a webcam. Twelve year olds who want the dick. And this is supposedly all our fault. Children are asexual, pristine beings who'd stay innocent virgins until the age of consent and ideally all the way into the marriage bed. The only reason they have sexual thoughts and feelings are because they've been corrupted by evil pedos. Oh please. They are not idiots, if you ask first graders how babies are made many will know it's because daddy puts his pee-pee in mommy's pee-pee. Maybe the very youngest only think of it as fun and games, but most are perfectly aware it's sexual in nature.

      The moral panic is because society is blasting on all channels that the important thing for young adults is to be sexy. To have sex. To enjoy sex. Sex feels good. Sex can be just for sex. And way down in the tweens they start thinking about sex, experimenting with sex and having sex. Since they can't blame the kids, they blame us. Don't get me wrong, we love it. We think kids should learn all about giving and receiving pleasure as early as possible. We're just getting a lot of undue credit. There's no huge new wave of webcam cappers praying on young girls. There's a huge new generation of girls that with little or no coaxing will show off on cam, even just to get likes or subscribers to their channel. And they can't be arrested, they're just banned and start a new account. Adult producers are a different story, I just read about a producer today that got 135 years in prison. Was she abducted? Raped? Infected with STD? Tortured? Killed? No. They just had regular sex for a few years, but the moral panic brigade has decided that is the absolutely worst thing that could happen to a human being ever. And I don't expect the situation to improve, only for the moral panic to get worse. OMG your kids are sexting, here's a hint.... if they're sexting they're probably not your "little kids" anymore. In a sane world we'd say kids are waaaay more informed than they used to be, age of consent should probably be 10-12 like it was before the last round of moral panic in the late 19th century.

    13. Re:Irony by Xenographic · · Score: 1

      Even a hardcore libertarian can find reasons why possession of CP should be illegal.

    14. Re:Irony by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Isn't a libertarians goal maximum personal liberty?

    15. Re:Irony by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think you have reading problems if you think the conclusion of the article is that possession should be illegal.

    16. Re: Irony by Kkloe · · Score: 1

      Saying something anti cp seems always to be like spot the vegan, instead here you get the pedophile

    17. Re: Irony by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, it's not hardwired. Up until very recently children were essentially property, and while child abuse was socially frowned upon, it wasn't even really illegal.
      In some parts of the world, it's still that way.

    18. Re:Irony by arth1 · · Score: 1

      Indeed. Societies have used infanticide as a method of birth control (and some still do). Children have been used as slave labor (and some still do).
      It's not hardwired at all - it is cultural.

      If I were driving and suddenly was faced with a choice of hitting an adult or hitting a child, I'd run over the child. Children is a renewable resource.

    19. Re:Irony by Mashiki · · Score: 1

      You can hang yourself by your own petard all you want then. Even us "free speech" folks have lines that get drawn at the abuse of children.

      Maybe you can tell everyone why you're pro-child rape?

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    20. Re:Irony by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Anonymous has always been a blanket term for separate cells.
      Most of them don't get along.
      LulzSec were one that split off to go after more high profile targets and "make a name for themselves", how's that working out, Sabu?

      These ones in particular are the breed of Anonymous that started out with Chanology, the attacks against Scientology for censorship of a Youtube video which escalated to crazy levels.
      They are unironically not Anonymous half the time, simply because they are meme-kiddies wanting to belong and don't understand the concept of Anonymous. (like that Barret moron)

      And as someone said below, even Sec agencies have used the label in attacks. (both government and private ones)

    21. Re:Irony by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      lol. So true. Just don't take it personally if the adult kills you there and then. I sure as fuck would.

    22. Re:Irony by joboss · · Score: 1

      Anonymous attacking anonymity.

    23. Re:Irony by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Meet "Anonymous" and "WikiLeaks", our world's Ministry of Truth.

      Hint: these "anti-establishment" figures are bankrolled by actors which are, unsurprisingly, against our establishment!

    24. Re:Irony by strikethree · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Where public justice fails private 'Anonymous' action can still succeed.

      Vigilante Justice: Always torturing the correct person. GG WP.

      Meh. As long as someone suffers terribly for a crime not being properly addressed through official channels. The situation is even better when the person being tortured didn't actually do it but is socially unpopular anyways. The reason being is that TWO problems have been taken care of, not just one. Of course, the original criminal is still out there ready to do evil again, but that is just random. There is no way to take care of that. Fuck yeah! Vigilante Justice for the win.

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      "Someone needs to talk to the tree of liberty about its ghoulish drinking problem." by ohnocitizen
    25. Re:Irony by hairyfeet · · Score: 1

      Then you are not pro free speech then because if you allow truly anonymous speech to help those in oppressive regimes you have to allow the CP scumbags because otherwise it ain't fucking anonymous and those people actually trying to get information out of those shitholes might just disappear in the middle of the night, got it?

      Can't have your cake and eat it too, either you have zero anonymous communications, which means all those trapped in repressive regimes have no way to get news of atrocities and war crimes out, or you have anonymous communications in which case there will always be some CP scumbags that come along with that because in many places you will get more time for a CP video that for blowing a kid's brains out.

      So which is it, do you support using the Internet to find out about the evil regimes and hopefully build enough momentum that they can be overthrown and can be gotten for war crimes, or do you support keeping those millions gagged "for teh childrenz!"

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    26. Re: Irony by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This really resonates with me as a parent. Already my kids think it's fine to have the TSA search you every time you go through an airport. They don't even know what freedom looks like

    27. Re:Irony by omnichad · · Score: 1

      Except that they believe that other people's personal liberties should be allowed to trump your own. Whereas most people use government for protecting personal liberties by limiting the effects of others on you. It's really a question of which people are deemed important.

    28. Re:Irony by omnichad · · Score: 1

      Which is another way of saying that the so-called "abuse" is conducted through activity the children find enjoyable and do voluntary with people they love and trust.

      Which is another way of saying Stockholm Syndrome.

    29. Re:Irony by Xenographic · · Score: 1

      Memory problems, actually. I was thinking about Ken's reply in the comments (which Randazza used to agree with) and I conflated the two.

      The part I was thinking of isn't the article, but this comment:

      https://www.popehat.com/2017/01/17/randazza-legalize-child-porn/#comment-1352363

    30. Re:Irony by Mashiki · · Score: 1

      And you've managed to contradict yourself three times in the first sentence. Did you figure out where? Or do you need me to draw a diagram for you.

      I'll give you a hint: (1)

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    31. Re:Irony by hairyfeet · · Score: 1

      And you just ignore the entire post so you can have a pedantic circle jerk...we have seen your kind before..

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      ACs don't waste your time replying, your posts are never seen by me.
    32. Re:Irony by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I accidentatlly the verb.

    33. Re:Irony by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It can hardly be "hardwired into humanity" to consider everyone under 18 a child and too young for sex. Historically most societies have had lower age limits that that. If there is a "natural" limit it can only be puberty.

  10. Re:Gary Johnson, Gary Johnson... by hackwrench · · Score: 0

    Everything is Gary Johnson with you... There were other candidates that lost too, like, um a Green party candidate I can't be bothered to look up and I don't know whether the contrast between the effort put into making this joke and the sheer apathy involved in not looking up or remembering the candidate's name, Jill something? makes it funnier or lamer, and now I've gone completely meta, but then I like it when I go completely meta, and anyone who doesn't like it, tough. You can get over your bad self, or not. It's not like I care about that aspect of things. You be you. I'm here for the amusement of the joke. Thank you. Go to a place that has waiters and order something and tip them. Good night, Gracie.

  11. Still a thing? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Anonymous still exists? Perhaps if they had a singular focus they could galvinize more people behind it. Until then, they still just a bunch of kids playing whackamole on random bullshit.

    Not in anyway saying the emlimination child porn is a bad thing, I'm all for it!. But to be relevent as a long standing entity, you must also have a cohesive vision and focus. Play the long game, not the random mob seizure game you have always played.

    1. Re:Still a thing? by Fragnet · · Score: 1

      I thought Anonymous was just this one guy with goggle-eyes staring vacantly into the camera with his mouth open.

    2. Re:Still a thing? by _merlin · · Score: 1

      Anyone can be "anonymous" - that's the thing. It's a label different people use at different times.

  12. Dark Portels by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Why are Trump supporters sister fuckers? The Douchebag in Chief's travel ban has been found illegal in a court of law. His supporters are ignorant inbred meth head losers. They are also sexual assault supporters but would be pissed if Trump raped one of their their own family members so we can add hyprocrosicy to their list of unfortunate traits.

  13. Congratulations! Great Job Anonymous! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Now to get me some pizza.

  14. Re:Congratulations! Great Job Anonymous! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Oh My!

  15. Commercial. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So, Anonymous is now a commercial operation. Donate untraceable bit coins and here is your data.

  16. The Commons by labnet · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Let's say that I do get tortured and abused, and someone gets pictures of it and puts them online, say in liveleak, or even in some "well respected" news site. Who is responsible for torturing me? The one who did it? Or the jerks who hosted the pics?

    They are both responsible, provided no party is a common carrier.

    I read a very interesting article recently on the law of the commons. It essentially said that knowing someones real identity in a public commons, makes for polite (read socially acceptable) behaviour. This is why facebook is generally very polite; but anonymous blog comments can be abusive.

    The issue is, we have a great tussle between our valid fear of governments, and even private businesses, abusing their knowledge of you; and our need as a society to protect those that cannot protect themselves by revealing the identity of those that abuse. This is not only children, but the elderly, and those with physical and mental impairments.

    There is currently no answer to this problem as the two requirements will always oppose each other.

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    1. Re: The Commons by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      By your logic, the Allied forces who took pictures of the Nazi Concentration Camps were responsible for the Holocaust.

    2. Re:The Commons by liquid_schwartz · · Score: 1

      It essentially said that knowing someones real identity in a public commons, makes for polite (read socially acceptable) behaviour. This is why facebook is generally very polite; but anonymous blog comments can be abusive.

      The challenge of not being anonymous is that today the level of social conformity being forced is at a sixty year high. Stated another way, probably not since McCarthyism in the 1950's has the danger of not having the "correct" opinion been so high. Probably the best example of this is people being harassed for political donations in 2008. Think about that for a moment, how you campaigned or voted now impacts your job options. Anyone who subscribes to tactics like these is clearly not mature enough for democracy. If you feel the need to punish people who don't vote the "right way", which is of course your way, then you're just not a good fit for a democracy nor an open and civil society.

      Citation: http://www.heritage.org/marria...

  17. Low hanging fruit. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Anonymous only picks the low hanging fruit. The declared war on Trump, and failed, and then abandoned "Operation Trump."

    Skiddies.

  18. Wiener wasn't entrapped, he tweeted publicly by Xenographic · · Score: 2

    How exactly do you think this constitutes entrapment? What, precisely, did the FBI allegedly do here that forced people not already predisposed to visit CP sites to visit their sites? It seems to me that you're simply promulgating an old myth about entrapment, in that merely giving someone the means to commit a crime they were already predisposed to commit is 'entrapment', when this is not so. If that's what you think, please read this guide written by an actual lawyer.

    There's a reasonable discussion of harm minimization here as to whether the interest in catching predators using the sites outweighed allowing them to continue to exist, but the idea that giving would-be criminals an opportunity to commit crime somehow constitutes "entrapment" is one of the most common myths.

    Now, it is true that the standard reasoning given for why possession (as opposed to production) of child pornography is illegal is very much at odds with the idea of keeping the site live, in that they're ostensibly re-victimizing those portrayed in the CP sites they permit to live. However, that is by no means the only rationale as to why mere possession should be illegal. But if you want to argue that, you'd do well to discuss it in more detail rather than simply dashing off some ill-premised missive regarding an FBI operation that happened months ago.

    1. Re:Wiener wasn't entrapped, he tweeted publicly by Kjella · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Now, it is true that the standard reasoning given for why possession (as opposed to production) of child pornography is illegal is very much at odds with the idea of keeping the site live, in that they're ostensibly re-victimizing those portrayed in the CP sites they permit to live.

      From what I understand operating a site means they didn't just enable people to download what was already posted, but also to continue creating new posts and distribute more material. I think the best analogy would probably be knowing about a drug smuggling tunnel and take over operation with undercover agents rather than shut it down, even though they can't control what is smuggled or where it'd end up.

      Nobody is entrapped, because it takes bad intent to use a smuggling tunnel in the first place. The drug lord and the junkie would still exist and they'd find other routes, but how responsible are you if the junkie OD'd on drugs you intentionally let through? Morally, it stinks pretty bad. Legally, no tunnel operator could pin all the blame on the mules. The cops are in on the conspiracy, they have their share of the guilt for the results.

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      Live today, because you never know what tomorrow brings
    2. Re:Wiener wasn't entrapped, he tweeted publicly by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > The cops are in on the conspiracy, they have their share of the guilt for the results.

      http://lawcomic.net/guide/?p=633

      Read the link above, please. Legally, they are not entrapping anyone. There's strict liability for possession of CP, so mens rea ("bad intent") is not relevant in the slightest. All you have is a safe harbor for people who stumble onto CP and either destroy it or show the cops. Don't go showing it to *anyone* else.

      Regarding entrapment, what the police cannot do is to make you commit a crime you would have refused to commit given the opportunity. If you weren't planning to refuse to do the crime (with anyone, not just police), you weren't entrapped.

      They can deceive you. They can participate in the crime (within limits, they cannot, for example, kill people). They can give you the opportunity to commit the crime. They can let you commit the crime. That comic is written by a lawyer. It very clearly explains all of the myths about entrapment and you just indicated that you believe several of them.

    3. Re:Wiener wasn't entrapped, he tweeted publicly by Xenographic · · Score: 1

      > The cops are in on the conspiracy, they have their share of the guilt for the results.

      As far as moral guilt goes, I feel you. I don't like the idea of the cops operating CP sites, I'd rather these all died. I can see the case for harm minimization though--the pedos would just move to other sites if they killed it. They're not involved in the creation of new CP, which is, at least in my mind, even more wrong than possession. So it doesn't sit well with me at all, but on the other hand, there is a reasonable case here that they've minimized the harm to the public by catching people creating new CP even as they permit a different evil to exist for a while longer.

      That said, as far as legal guilt goes? No. Within limits, the cops can commit crime during a sting. The cops didn't do anything to the site as far as I know, they just let it continue to exist while they rounded up users.

    4. Re:Wiener wasn't entrapped, he tweeted publicly by Xenographic · · Score: 1

      As a correction to the above, I should have linked more specifically to this comment by Ken:

      https://www.popehat.com/2017/01/17/randazza-legalize-child-porn/#comment-1352363

      Here's the essence of the rationale I wanted to refer to -

      Actual child pornography is an artifact of the illegal abuse of children. That distinguishes it from other pornography, the production of which is legal. Child pornography is more like the fabled snuff film in which someone is murdered on camera. It's an artifact of not mere harm, but criminal harm. To me, possessing it is the equivalent of buying and possessing a child's severed head on a plaque for your wall.

  19. When the hell does Freedom Hosting III start up? by Joviex · · Score: 1

    Because we obviously dont learn the first, second, third, fourth, fifth, ....

  20. massive troves by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    pics or it didn't happen

  21. Re:Congratulations! Great Job Anonymous! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Apparently pizza and hot dogs are the preferred cuisine for pedophiles.

  22. Soon all over the media by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    In a day, maximum 2, this story is ALL over the media. Of course, just randomly, with focus ONLY on the CP. The rest about fraud sites etc is too hard to explain. Common people understand two words "shutdown" and "CP". And of course no mention of how TOR can also be a useful function. My guess could be that TOR will soon be illegal because of something like this. Oh, and the people trading CP will soon be active again. Maybe using pigeons and exchanging physical CDs.

  23. TAKE DOWN THOSE PIZZAGATE SITES!!!!!!!!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Take down their entire House of Cards!!!!!

  24. Please hack Sallie Mae by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    While I appreciate Anonymous' action in this latest hack, I wish they would hack into the student loan data base and release millions of borrowers from their loan burdens.

  25. Little fish. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Hey Anonymous! Why not stop focusing on the little fish and actually go after big sharks, like that Great White (and orange) sexual predator/child molester Drumph! Actually affect some positive change for once and flex some real muscle.

  26. Clearly you have unresolved issues of some sort by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You should join ISIS. I hope you suffer a long and painful dead as a jihadi.. That kind of thinking is why we call you people 'Christian Taliban'.

    So you hope people die painfully and slowly. Yes, indeed you have some issues to resolve!

  27. The Nose Knows? by Xenographic · · Score: 1

    The people in charge change regularly enough that I wouldn't label the FBI as some monolithic block when there must be thousands of people in there with different motivations, knowledge, and leadership.

    Besides, more than a few high ranking pedos have been taken down, for example former Republican Speaker of the House, Dennis Hastert. I'm surprised Podesta would still want to hang out with that guy, but then again, they do have a long history together.

  28. More like just the FBI by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The real Anonymous probably had nothing to do with this. More likely, it was all the FBI.