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Movie Industry Wants Irish ISPs To Block Pirate Movie Streaming Portals (torrentfreak.com)

The Motion Picture Association is trying to have three popular streaming portals blocked by Irish Internet providers. In a new court case, the movie studios describe movie4k.to, primewire.ag and onwatchseries.to as massive copyright infringement hubs, with each offering thousands of infringing movies. From a TorrentFreak report: RTE reports that the MPA's fresh blocking demands are targeting a total of eight ISPs -- Eir, Sky Ireland, Vodafone Ireland, Virgin Media Ireland, Three Ireland, Digiweb, Imagine Telecommunications and Magnet Networks. Based on yesterday's hearing it appears to be only a matter of time before the three sites will be blocked. None of the ISPs have raised principle objections against a court determination in this case. That said, reports suggest that there are still a few finer details that have to be worked out, which could include issues regarding costs and the technical implementation.

55 comments

  1. Let's hope they don't succeed... by admin7087 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Otherwise my girlfriend will get very, very angry, and I'm going to be the one who has to 'fix' the streaming for her *again*...

    (Before someone asks: No, the obscure old TV series she likes to watch are not available for purchase where we live.)

    1. Re: Let's hope they don't succeed... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      God needs to stay out of my tv rights, unless he is a registered voter.

    2. Re:Let's hope they don't succeed... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Fuck off republican

    3. Re:Let's hope they don't succeed... by Errol+backfiring · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Copyright violation is not theft. And if it were, it would be pretty hard to steal something that is not (lovemaking or otherwise) available anyway. And if the girlfriend was born on this side of the pond, she had the right to see anything she wanted to see. After WW II, we were granted the right to receive all signals as a basic freedom (the Germans had made listening to free radio stations a crime). I know the industry wants to take all rights away, including the fundamental ones, but for now the radio freedom is still a fundamental part of being a free citizen.

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    4. Re:Let's hope they don't succeed... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      That does not mean it's OK to steal them. Stop trying to rationalize your theft. If they are not available, the are not fucking available. You are not entitled to them, your girlfriend was not born with the god-given right to watch those particular TV shows.

      But clearly they are available. The issue of entitlement is arguable, but not that.That is exactly the problem when "pirates" provide not just a cheaper service, but a fundamentally better one, than commercial operators. You would presumably have us just pretend that those obscure series aren't available on unofficial streams, just pretend that it's impossible to watch a movie without forced trailers shown before it, just pretend that the movies and music you paid for can't be delivered in a form that can readily be watched on your tablet or played in your car. But you know what? Some of us don't like to pretend - reality is better.

    5. Re:Let's hope they don't succeed... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Just as no company was born with the god-given right to prevent me from copying their content and giving it to my neighbours.

    6. Re:Let's hope they don't succeed... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Of course they weren't given a god-given right to that. They cried to mommy government that all those meanies weren't paying them money, and mommy government decided to step in and use force to ensure that all of its subjects were goodwatching doubleplusgood entertainment media as selected by their doubleplusgood elites in the doubleplusgood way that the people paying the legislators demanded, including the unskippable ads for 20-year-old movies.

    7. Re:Let's hope they don't succeed... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    8. Re:Let's hope they don't succeed... by Kernel+Kurtz · · Score: 2

      The RIAA, MPAA, and their equivalents in other countries are THE ENEMY. Anything that works against their interests is A Good Thing.

    9. Re:Let's hope they don't succeed... by diesalesmandie · · Score: 1

      Otherwise my girlfriend will get very, very angry, and I'm going to be the one who has to 'fix' the streaming for her *again*...

      That's pretty condescending towards your girlfriend, oh wise wizard of all things computer. If finding a new stream is simply a matter of a 'fix' to you (*again* suggests you have done this at least once before) then you are also a drama queen. Sheesh.

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    10. Re:Let's hope they don't succeed... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "but a fundamentally better one". this is opinion, therefore a rationalization for commtting a crime. Pirating is pirating. Period. You're taking food out of my kids mouths. You're trying to take away the roof over my kids heads. Now its time to reciprocate.

    11. Re:Let's hope they don't succeed... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If the RIAA and MPAA are your enemy, you're already as good as dead. They own most of the US government and have forced entire countries to alter their laws (see Sweden, a neutral country and a member of the EU, literally forced at gunpoint to change its laws as ordered by the MPAA); what hope do you think you have against such might? Give it up now, computers are not your life. Movies are not your life.

    12. Re:Let's hope they don't succeed... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No one is taking food out of your kids mouths.

      For one thing, I don't believe (or want to believe) someone of your intelligence has children. I think you just said that because "OMG children" might get a response. For another, he's talking about something unavailable not by actual limitation, but by market manipulation.

      Let me explain it so you can understand.

      You agree to do a job for a cost. You get paid, your kids get to eat. (First of all, that solves problem one... unless you think you should be paid more.. but that's a different story)

      The company makes money by selling the combination of your work and others to a local market. They are better at this than you are, and that's totally OK. Everyone is happy, the customer has a place to buy, you get paid, and the middle man makes a small cut for facilitating. The system works!

      Now they see there is another market that will buy your goods. They could easily enter that market, but decide it's not worth their time. They won't make enough money. Sure, if they expand they will make money, and you will also benefit, but they say it's too expensive to bother.

      Then someone comes along and does this big, horribly expensive, nigh impossible task for free. In their spare time. Maybe they toss it to a friend or co-conspirator who slips in some advertising on the site and they make a quick buck.

      So at this point, someone is lying. Either the pirate isn't able to do this (but the evidence is clear that they can) or the company easily could have made money in the new market.

      In the end though, one thing is correct. Two people lose out in this scenario-- the customer, who has to resort to blackmarket options, and the original worker, who now won't see any increased value from their work.

      So now the big question, who stole from you, the worker? Was it the guy who as a fucking hobby managed to do what a massive multi-million dollar distribution company could not? Or is it the bureaucrats in charge of the system who decided that the only way to distribute is through them, for exorbitant fees, making it impossible for your family to make more money since they write the laws which consolidate money for them and their friends?

      I'll give you one guess, and I'll tell you right now it's not the pirate.

      Limited international distribution in a digital age is a joke.

      If someone makes a law that says all sticks must be sold by official stick sellers and stick selling licenses cost 1 million dollars, I'm not blaming the guy down the street who picks them off his lawn for free and tosses them by the curb with a tip jar. That guys isn't the problem. It's the whole dumb system that's the problem.

    13. Re:Let's hope they don't succeed... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Get your kids to trough on an MPIAA sausage. Also *****MANY***pirates are willing to pay for stuff, it's just that some smug MPIAA chap has his sausage dangling out and no wanting this money just because your poor kids prefer a Bratwurst

    14. Re:Let's hope they don't succeed... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Piss off you sanctimonious twat. Anyone that uses computers professionally will tell you they're first call for support for everyone that knows them, and anyone that knows them in turn. Not everyone can be bothered to trawl through forums, IRC, newsgroups et al to find where streams are hiding. Clearly the OP is talking in jest, but a jest based on having to do it several times. Now fuck off and tweet your pathetic dweeb keyboard warrior crap elsewhere, eh?

    15. Re:Let's hope they don't succeed... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You fail elementary logic. If you cannot buy something, you cannot get income for it. Therefore no money is lost. Perhaps if you learned a little grammar, you could get a real job instead of pretending to be doing something of value and expecting income from it forever. So come on, what are you pretending you created, published and are selling?

      If you want money, how about taking Holywood accounting through the courts and not settling. How about doing a full discovery, and including TV companies and music producers too. Top to bottom across all media where accounting means the money is hidden, taxes aren't paid, but we the public have to make up the numbers *you* are stealing from us. Anyone using "Period." is a moron, loooser, loooser, hahahaha, booo hooo. FACT!

    16. Re:Let's hope they don't succeed... by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 1

      You can't have it both ways. If something is not available for licensing, there no loss in not licensing it. Anything else would be inconsistent logic.

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    17. Re:Let's hope they don't succeed... by OrangeTide · · Score: 1

      Everything on TV, past and present, isn't your fucking property.

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    18. Re:Let's hope they don't succeed... by OrangeTide · · Score: 1

      Listening to satellite transmissions without permissions is a crime. So I guess the Germans won.

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    19. Re:Let's hope they don't succeed... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You must be fun at parties. But it's true, she's too lazy to look for the streams herself and I have to do it when a site no longer works. Not that it bothers me much.

    20. Re:Let's hope they don't succeed... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No one is taking food out of your kids mouths.

      Perhaps you've confused a rhetorical device with a literal statement?

    21. Re:Let's hope they don't succeed... by Ravaldy · · Score: 1

      That does not mean it's OK to steal them. Stop trying to rationalize your theft. If they are not available, the are not fucking available. You are not entitled to them, your girlfriend was not born with the god-given right to watch those particular TV shows.

      Although I agree with you about the "entitlement" status people have given themselves, I have however changed my view on this topic in recent years.

      Content makers must allow streaming services to have more flexibility. I don't see a problem with movies being dealt with the same way music is. Buy a copy for $1 or whatever a reasonable price is. That's a model I can get behind. Fact is, most people are paying upwards for $20/month for movie channels on cable. If they aren't willing to pay the PPV price to own a title then there's no winning with those people.

    22. Re: Let's hope they don't succeed... by CaptainDork · · Score: 1

      God doesn't care about that fucking shit.

      S/he didn't care about this fucking shit.

      About the Photo of the Dead Boy on the Beach

      #priorities

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    23. Re:Let's hope they don't succeed... by Kernel+Kurtz · · Score: 1

      The laws where I live are still reasonable. The *IAs are mostly irrelevant and we are always working to keep them that way.

      And Trump just killed the TPP, that had all sorts of nasty copyright overreach in it so very good to see it dead. That does not make me like him though, I'm sure he had no idea regardless.

      And movies are entertainment. Hardly worth censoring the internet for.

    24. Re:Let's hope they don't succeed... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Just like when your job is outsourced to a Bangladeshi robot it won't be theft either. Nerds, so happy to fuck over everyone else on the planet as long as they get some free shit.

    25. Re: Let's hope they don't succeed... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      WTF are you going on about?!

  2. Block Slashdot by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Block it! NOW! Call the government!

  3. "...a few finer details..." by turkeydance · · Score: 0

    Dat's where dah Debil stays!

  4. Participation zero by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    All the "celebrities" taking political stands these days has turned into a nice money saving opportunity. Bring on the torrents!

  5. Where one falls... by Lemmeoutada+Collecti · · Score: 3

    Where one falls, two shall rise in its place.

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    You can have it fast, accurate, or pretty. Pick any 2.
    1. Re: Where one falls... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Im Irish and a big Trump supporter.
      From my cold dead hands will they take my piracy and privacy. Theres always a way.

      Not paying sh** for movies at exorbitant prices to fuel my other halfs interest in liberal holywood BS movies.

    2. Re:Where one falls... by Negafox · · Score: 1

      ... with even more pop-up, redirect and page ads.

    3. Re:Where one falls... by No+Longer+an+AC · · Score: 1

      I read this almost at the exact same time as I heard someone on the news say "Jamais deux sans three" (Never two without three).

  6. marry me by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Same for dumpster diving. That store throwing out the food meant it to go. You are stealing from them by not buying the fresh stuff. Companies are entitled to profits and you are entitled to deal with it.

    1. Re:marry me by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Mostly, this is not true. In most cities in the US, once you toss into the garbage, you cease to "own" it. I'm pretty sure this came about for cops to rummage through your cups to get DNA. ;)

  7. Vpn by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Its time for vpn., and busoness as usual.
    Its stupid steps to block. They cant stop the supplier, so they focus now on the consumer. It will be efficient only 15%, no more.
    Torrents is another alternative, its not as smooth as streaming, but gets the job done. Webtorrent+vpn, all u need. I recommend "pia vpn".

  8. Title fix by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Movie Industry Wants Irish^H^H^H^H^HALL ISPs To Block Pirate Movie Streaming Portals

    There, fixed that for you.

  9. Today I Learned ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    TIL of movie4k.to, primewire.ag and onwatchseries.

  10. 3 good leads by karlandtanya · · Score: 5, Funny

    For those who haven't heard the joke (it's an old one):

    Tommy O’Connor went to confession and said, “Forgive me father for I have sinned.”
    “What have you done, Tommy O’Connor?”
    “I had sex with a girl.”
    ”Who was it, Tommy?”
    “I cannot tell you father, please forgive me for my sin.”
    ”Was it Mary Margaret Sullivan?”
    “No father, please forgive me for my sin but I cannot tell you who it was.”
    “Was it Catherine Mary McKenzie?”
    “No father, please forgive me for my sin.”
    “Well then it has to be Sarah Martha O’Keefe.”
    “No father, please forgive me, I cannot tell you who it was.”
    ”Okay, Tommy go say 5 Hail Mary’s and 4 Our Fathers and you will be absolved of your sin.”

    So Tommy walked out to the pews where his friend Joseph was waiting.

    “What did ya get?” asked Joseph.
    “Well I got 5 Hail Mary’s, 4 Our Fathers, and 3 good leads.”

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    1. Re:3 good leads by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Thanks that's a good one.

  11. How it should be done. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Go to court specifically for each site and rule specifically for each site. Proof required of infringement. That is how it should be handled instead of blanket shutdowns upon simple requests.

    Then the plaintiff should pay all legal costs of the ISP as well as execution costs.

    1. Re:How it should be done. by myowntrueself · · Score: 2

      Go to court specifically for each site and rule specifically for each site. Proof required of infringement. That is how it should be handled instead of blanket shutdowns upon simple requests.

      Then the plaintiff should pay all legal costs of the ISP as well as execution costs.

      I was thinking the ISP should reason like this
      "Obviously the MPA think these movies are worth a lot of money. So they should be willing to PAY A LOT OF MONEY for us to block access to them. Ca-ching! $$$$$$$"

      and then charge them the same amount the MPA claim to be losing to piracy.

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    2. Re:How it should be done. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I was thinking the ISP should reason like this
      "Obviously the MPA think these movies are worth a lot of money. So they should be willing to PAY A LOT OF MONEY for us to block access to them. Ca-ching! $$$$$$$"

      and then charge them the same amount the MPA claim to be losing to piracy.

      nah it should be like this: you charge them the same amount that the pirates will pay, with a contract that say that they must pay as long as they want their copyright to be protected, any halt in payment means that they allow their copyright to be hosted by their services.

  12. What a coincidence! by Opportunist · · Score: 1

    The rest of the world wants ISP all over the globe to finally block the Movie industry from interfering with our streaming.

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  13. Thanks for the leads by OneHundredAndTen · · Score: 2

    I did not know about those sites. I will make sure to bookmark them. Thanks, MPA.

  14. So I don't get it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What I don't get is this:

    1) For those in the US, and have access to the a public library - you can get many of these series by just requesting at your library. Yes, your tax payer money paid for the public library but

    2) If that is the case, why isn't the movie industry getting mad at public libraries? They are pissed just because people are making it easier? That they don't buy their $5 a month crappy service?

    3) You can do the same with Music as well.

    Does anyone have any common sense any more?

  15. Horror film movies by pigsycyberbully · · Score: 0

    Watching feature films movies is like watching paint dry. I never did understand the attraction of "movies" oh dear, I just do not fit in with this type of stuff.
    I think I will try one of these horror films and try to find one without bad music and lots of annoying screaming.

    The names are corny and the picture on the front of them is silly and probably has nothing to do with the film.
    They all seem to be the same. Somebody tell me a name I want to try to fit in.

  16. Thanks RIAA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Is always nice to update your list with extra streaming sites.

  17. This has been tried in Greece by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    In Greece the equivalent of MPAA/RIAA tried to force all the national ISPs to block access to various torrent sites domestic ones and foreign(eg kickass piratebay) via the courts. But the courts denied it. The reasoning was(amongst other things) that citizens have a right to information and the right to communicate. You cannot blanket ban all connections to such sites regardless of the content moved via individual connections. I think the fact that these sites also had legal content(eg linux isos) played a role in the decision. Also the judges seemed to understand the concept of the bittorrent protocol pretty well. They understood that the sites didn't have the infringing content nor did they serve it. They understood that .torrent files are metadata files and infringing content sharing happens between peers/users.

    Also another reason is that such a ban puts a big burden on the ISPs to maintain ip black lists. And finally, they didn't award any restraining measures(ie forcing ISPs to ban specific IPs/domains) because the understood the fact that it is incredibly easy to circumvent those by moving the domain or changing domain. So any measures awarded wouldn't actually protect the rights of the offended party.

  18. Thanks! by jenningsthecat · · Score: 2

    Most folks here probably wouldn't have known about these three sites had they not been given free publicity courtesy of the MPAA!

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  19. It's over ... by CaptainDork · · Score: 1

    ... anyway.

    Owners can play whack-a-mole through the courts, but binary is public domain and don't give a shit.

    As soon as IP is digitized, it's in the public domain "est quod est."

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    Another mother fucker with a computer. ~ © 2017 CaptainDork

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  20. I'm rather curious by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

    Although Arkell v. Pressdram was a libel case in Egland, the principle is still applicable here.

    Namely, what would happen if the ISPs told the MPAA to fuck off?

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  21. Blocked in Northern Ireland by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The UK/Virgin censorship firewall has already blocked those sites. Apart from the slow internet speeds and high crime, I miss living in Honduras. They don't block sites there.

    1. Re: Blocked in Northern Ireland by easyTree · · Score: 1

      Why not express your absence of support by ceasing to give them money? Support businesses who behave in a manner you agree with.