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Apple CEO Tim Cook Tackles Truth in the Digital Age (cnbc.com)
Apple CEO Tim Cook visited the University of Glasgow yesterday to be awarded an honorary doctorate. During the Q&A session, one audience member asked Cook to tell what the future looks like. Following is Cook's response: "The world is going through an enormous change. We used to watch three or four people tell us the news, and generally speaking most of us trusted that ... now you are growing up in an environment where everyone is telling you the news and everyone is trying to influence your opinion on something," Cook said. "Generally society hasn't moved as fast as technology has ... so all of us have been put in a position to make sure that when we hear something we automatically take it as our opinion that we think through the different views on it and unfortunately make sure it is accurate as well."
And Apple has been a great influencer itself.
Steve appears to me every night, surrounded by a bluish glow and tells me The Truth.
I don't see how this is a defense of Trump.
Even though Trump labels everything criticising him as "fake news", that doesn't mean that there _aren't_ a lot of media outlets slinging opinionated lies at us.
The most influential advisor of Trump used to run one of the most prolific such website and for every contradictory news report, you can be sure atleast one is untrue.
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Umm...does anyone else think he's really not focused on running Apple like Steve did?
Everyone the left disagrees with is a Nazi. If you took the word Nazi out of the lexicon, the left would be reduced to tears and blank stares..
5 out of 6 people enjoy Russian Roulette & 6 out of 7 Dwarfs are not Happy
No need the use the title Nazi, I don't. Fascist is perfectly acceptable.
Psst.. I'll tell you a secret.
According to the article (you read that.. right?) Mr Cook didn't use the word "truth"
Given the content of what he actually *did* say, the irony in your post is palpable.
Correct Mr. Cook "Generally society hasn't moved as fast as technology has". Some of us are still engaged in practices like keeping corporate cash holdings in off shore tax shelters and claiming that there is a tech worker shortage when in reality it's just greed driving corporate profits in the form of hiring cheaper H-1B visas that are willing to put up with unreasonable working conditions so they can make more money. Some things never change.
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Fortunately the alt-right has shown up the solution. A relatively small number of people working to spread disinformation worked very effectively. To counter that, we need a similar number of people willing to use subversion tactics to promote the truth.
30 years of the media in the US alone being partisan towards democrats, but it's suddenly a small number of "alt-right" spreading disinformation. Okie there. I'm sure that the mainstream media pumping out a bunch of articles in the last few months that were fake wasn't anything. Or how many times has it been now that sites like WAPO have had to publicly retract stories because of that fake news? Hate to tell you this, but the media tried to pull the fake news crap, and got their face rolled into it. It's the same reason why for over a decade that the trust in the media in the US is under 20% and even here in Canada it's under 25%
But let's look at some disinformation. Would that be like the migrant that was arrested in Edmonton, Alberta the other day. And the CBC uses the word "touched" when the person in question aggressively committed sexual assaulted a 14 year old? Under the definition of the law as sexual assault level 3, because they threatened and caused physical injury. Or is that simply massaging the truth because it paints them in a bad light. Or would that be like the underage refugees in NFLD, who physically assaulted a 15 year old girl, and the response from the media was bending over backwards to claim "cultural issues" and the two people "not knowing that assault was wrong." We don't even have to start from there, we can just look over the media like the letter networks and see how much garbage they've been pumping out over the last 15 years.
I know that the "alt-right" is some great invisible bogeyman for you. But you guys over in Europe have far more to worry about with the government engaging in active censorship, and trying to hide information from the public in order to ensure their political power remains intact.
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"Truth" is when someone tells you a thing is so, and then invites you to verify it for yourself, using sources of your own choosing. Refusing to believe the truth is when you are told something is so, and you reject it out of hand or use sources you know will tell you what you want to hear. In other words, truth cannot be handed down. If you really want it, you will have to go out and find it for yourself.
Reality has a well known left-wing bias.
This is because conservatism is the politics of nostalgia and ignoring things that only affect other people. Trump wants things to be like the 1950s again. It's even in his campaign slogan: Make American Great Again, as in it used to be great and should go back to that state.
The alt-right like this, because after all it is a movement that started with white supremacists. In the 1950s, white people had more rights and power than others. Of course it sucked if you were not white, but... meh, it's those people's own fault or something. Whatever makes you comfortable.
And that's what the new alt-right media offers: comfort. If all those people who are losing out are bad people, and Trump keeps reminding you that they are, then you don't need to feel bad for them. In fact, you should be happy about it, because bad people got what they deserved.
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SJW, n: "Someone I don't like, and by the way I'm a fuckwit" - AC
Right now the world has a lot of very loud assholes. this encourages others to be assholes.
Stay away from anyone acting extreme right and left, just shut them completely out of your life as they are the scummiest of people.
If they cant have a civilized and calm discussion, eject them from your life rapidly. yes even family.
My problem is these people are infecting everything, A discussion about antenna theory and basics turns into a shitshow of aggressive posturing when you mention something like "you should not use a wire wound resistor like that because it can introduce unwanted reactance" is met with... foaming at the mouth insults and turd throwing. People refuse to back up their statements contrary to known science and education and start blathering on to prop up their strawman.
Honestly I'm really done with people in general, americans are empowered right now to be assholes and I want nothing to do with it.
Do not look at laser with remaining good eye.
We used to watch three or four people tell us the news, and generally speaking most of us trusted that ... now you are growing up in an environment where everyone is telling you the news and everyone is trying to influence your opinion on something
What he did way is that you should trust the mainstream media ('three or four people"), and he implies that, in the past, those people weren't "trying to influence your opinion". If you believe that I have a bridge in New York you might be interested in buying.
Cook is way too optimistic. If all of us stopped for a minute to think things through, we wouldn't have been in the mess we are in. Can't blame him though. A large part of the man's job is to think, so he thinks (pun intended) it comes natural for everyone. It's the reverse Dunning–Kruger effect.
Someone told Democrat presidential candidate Adlai Stevenson in the 1950s, “You are doing great. All thinking men are with you.” “No,” Stevenson replied. “I need a majority.”
What does objective 'truth' even mean in a postmodern era, where 'your truth' is not 'my truth' and reality is just a competing set of narratives supported by carefully-selected information?
He most certainly did *not* say that you should trust the mainstream media.
He said that's what happened in the past and that's what we trusted. There's no "should" or "this was correct" about it.
He's merely saying that there are many more people (hyperbolically "everyone") that are trying to influence your opinion. ie. it's coming at you from all sides. So take extra care and try to learn the accuracy of what you're being told.
The Alt-Right is just a faction on the Right that has differences w/ other conservatives. Breitbart hardly equals all, or even most of the portion of the media that is conservative
Point Cook made was that in the past, only 3 or 4 people told us the news, and all of them were, for want of a better term, Left-of-Center. This had been borne out election after election, where 90+% of journalists would reveal that they voted for the Democrats. In no walk of life do you get such homogeneous opinions, so when that happens, people who disagree w/ them are justified in wondering whether they are lying to them. That's why we had things like Rush Limbaugh, Fox News, Drudge Report, Blaze TV, Breitbart, et al. While that may look like a lot, keep in mind that if you have just basic TV, FNC is not a part of the deal, in which case your only choices are ABC, CBS, NBC and PBS. Even the Fox Broadcast Channel does not have the same bent as FNC, and even FNC has its share of Liberals like Sheppard Smith, Juan Williams and Julie Rogansky. So even w/ all this, the Left certainly had an overwhelming advantage when it came to the media.
The way Social Media changes all this is that everybody is a potential news source, and w/ that, comes all the trolling, but seriously, this is no different from Usenet - for those who remember. Flame wars are just a part of it. Also, w/ media bias being what it's been, people on the right who are disgusted by it have left them in droves, and are either turning to these alternate sources, or even hearing directly from the horse's mouth. I mean, why would a Trump supporter go to CNN or NBC or even FNC when they can directly read his Twitter account. And the same goes for Trump haters - they can go to Hilary, Bernie, Schumer, Warren or any number of Trump haters out there.
The thing that the Left is bitter about is that their monopoly and control on information flow is gone. If anyone can pull out their smartphone, videotape something and then put it on Facebook, how do their 'journalists' who simply sit in their studios and bloviate justify their 6-7 figure salaries?
You mean that "left-wing bias" which gives rise to things like 20 years of screaming "the nazis/white supremacists are coming." Or "it's okay to punch nazis/etc" or "everyone is a racist/sexist/homophobes if you don't agree with us" type of bias? Or "pepe is a racist hate symbol" type of left-wing bias. We can keep going down this form of reality you're pushing, but that doesn't make it true. And if anything, it simply paints the left very unhinged. How about the "kkk are on the rise again" type of bias? You know when their actual membership is so tiny, that they're smaller in organizational size then that group of leftists at UC Berkeley stood along side.
Yep, I know, it's very comforting for you to think that there's this mythical "alt-right" that's lurking behind everything on the right side of politics these days. But then again, considering that Trump's message resonated with every sector of the electorate and he did better then the last candidates. Seems like it's not a "1950's idea. It's a 1980's idea, where people weren't having their jobs outsourced to 3rd world labor.
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This is what he means by a few alt-right spewing lies.
Don't let reality hurt you. It's a very harsh mistress. When you decide to look, you can also note how the tone of media has changed as it's been consolidated into particular hands. I recommend the washington post as a starting point, then move onto NBC.
Yeah, we're trying to prevent that BEFORE it happens, not after.
Too bad it's already happening isn't it? That it's been going on for years. That you can look at Germany and see the government leaning on media and police not to report statistics. That one can look at Sweden where police officers are threatened with "racism" charges for reporting facts. Where the governments make demands of social media to censor things which are contrary to the presented viewpoint. Or police threaten and dox people for not wanting refugees in their backyard, or having particular points of view on sexuality. Or universities and student unions engaging in no-platforming, or threatening speakers because their view points no longer fit the radical agendas that are being pushed. Yes, very much trying to prevent what's already happening and encouraging a "further" counter-pendulum swing with your actions.
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Actually, the 'alt-right' is real, but not in the way that Leftist clowns like to depict it. It's a genuine fissure on the Right
Traditional Conservatism - of the type that the Bushes and the GOP establishment loved - was the international, free trade, open borders & immigration, service Wall Street policies across the board. Also, they were stuck in the Cold War era, and Russia simply succeeded the Soviet Union as the #1 enemy. For those who think it's a personality issue w/ Putin, they were not supportive of Yeltsin either. But even though Communism was dead - at least in terms of losing the Soviet Union and all of Eastern Europe, they pretended that Communism was still the major ideological enemy. Granted, it's making a strong showing in the US w/ Sen Warren and in the UK w/ Jeremy Corbin, but it's not the threat to the rest of the world the way it was during the Cold War. Islam has replaced it in that aspect, but the traditional Conservatives are still cozy w/ the likes of Saudi Arabia, Qatar and Islamic countries.
The Alt Right has for the first time put a lot of these sacred cows to the slaughter (being a Hindu, I don't like this analogy, but it's all I can think of at the moment). They recognize that Islam is the biggest threat to the West, which is why they're not obsessed w/ Russia in the way that the Republican establishment is. They recognize that trade deals like NAFTA haven't worked for the US, and are happy to revisit it. They are the only ones looking at H1B abuse: the traditional Conservatives want to service the businesses that want them, while the Liberals want the future votes of the new citizens. They are the ones questioning whether NATO is still relevant, given its inclusion of Turkey, which is on the Islamic side of this conflict.
While Trump may have moved this a bit, and Bannon is key in getting a lot of alt right policies in, the party as a whole hasn't yet shifted that way, except maybe in the Rust Belt states that Trump won this time around. Hopefully, by the next elections, they succeed in taking over the GOP, and purging the likes of McCain, Graham, Collins and so on.
Maybe it's because today's republicans are fucking nuts?
People who are ok with much higher death rates of mothers because of Planned Parenthood.
People who are ok with companies being allowed to poison the water & air for tax breaks
People who are ok with destroying American education because it's not perfect today
People who are ok with bribery for tax breaks
People who are ok with racists being in charge of just about everything
People who are ok with fucking over the less well off for tax breaks
Fuck off with your pretentious idiocy. The press tone hasn't changed, it's just that the republicans have moved from conservative to fascist.
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Actually, this is a problem w/ Apple and Microsoft's news apps. I've deleted them from my phones. In Windows 8, Microsoft had a somewhat good system where you could enter any news site that you wanted, and get the news only from there, but they got rid of that flexibility in Windows 10.
Let's skip the crazy and go right to the insane.
The press tone hasn't changed, it's just that the republicans have moved from conservative to fascist.
Uh-huh. Republicans are fascist. Oh boy! Look at all those progressives and so on openly supporting actual fascism. What shall the world ever do in the face of such hypocrisy and failing self-realization that they're everything that they claim the opposition is.
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Fuck off with your pretentious idiocy. The press tone hasn't changed, it's just that the republicans have moved from conservative to fascist.
How do you know it's not the left that's changed from being "liberal" to basically Stalinist? My politics haven't really changed since the mid 90s and nobody ever called me a racist or a fascist until about two years ago.
We don't have a state-run media we have a media-run state.
Unless Donald Trump is trying to bring about the Fourth Reich, etc then he's probably not a Nazi.
The simplest explanation is usually the correct one, and that is Trump is just a regular old sack of human waste stuffed into a suit.
Human Waste for President 2020! -- They say I'm inhuman. But I'm at least half human. More. Maybe the most human ever.
“Common sense is not so common.” — Voltaire
Obama neither is nor was he ever left wing.
The US political landscape is so enormously skewed to the right it is no longer even funny.
There is no actual left wing with any voice to speak of in the US.
The spectrum begins at right-wing (D), continues via very right-wing (most "reasonable" conservatives) and heads off to ludicrously right-wing (the current band of lunatics in power.)
This is when comparing to the world as a whole, mind you. If you look at things only relatively, then you are bound to have stuff both to the left and to the right of you.
But make no mistake, the whole US is phenomenally right-wing, D and R alike.
Reality has a well known left-wing bias.
People unironically believe this.
No, reality doesn't conform to anyone's politics. Reality has a fascist bias. Your ideology doesn't mean shit when Achmed is sawing your head off.
That said, a political ideology that at least tries to take reality and human nature into account is going to do better than one that tries to force its preferences onto reality. There are not 47 genders, men and women are different, human evolution is real and did not magically stop in everything but skin color when man stepped out of Africa meaning racial differences are more than skin deep. This is reality, but neither left-wing politics nor your corporate media pals on CNN or MSNBC acknowledge this reality.
To say reality has a left-wing bias is to top ignorance with hubris. Now add in belligerence and you're right at home with your antifa friends.
We don't have a state-run media we have a media-run state.
Only if you assume that Obama was the perfect embodiment of left wing bias.
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SJW, n: "Someone I don't like, and by the way I'm a fuckwit" - AC
That's the new cliche of you people - that 'reality has a Left Wing bias'.
Yeah. New. As in "from 2004". Thanks for proving that "new cliche" utterly true and in fact a fact. http://www.slapnose.com/archiv...
Of course news about a fake are Fake News.
Did we ever have nonbiased journalists? Yellow news wasn't some 21st century invention. There has always been a tilt and agenda in anything for public consumption. Town cryers were propaganda agents before literacy kicked in. If we drop the fallacy that news services are somehow neutral observers, and read it for what it's worth, we would all be better off. Skepticism and multiple sources are great. Automated news feeds showing you the same echo chamber is creating a dangerous bubble.
I don't want to be rude or troll, I sincerely believe what I will reply to your comment
There is a huge fraction of the population (at least in my country, .mx) that do not want to be told what to think, but people are pragmatic, since it looks terribly complicated or even likely that the things will change for good, the simply let the world/humanity go on, that does not mean people are happy, or that they will accept much more crapy things from gobernment/media/etc
Let's go with something "new" as example: the fake news issue. In México we had in the recent months a lot of issues with fake news, in politics, violence, clown jokes, etc. People all over the place came telling the terrible things that were happening here and there, only to eventually see that they were fake, so, in the last 3-4 months we passed from 50% of the people believing a lot of fake news, to current maybe 10% of them believing only those fake news that are quite plausible.
Is not that they wanted to be told what to think, they were over confident on the sources, but that changed a lot in very few months, I think that is a probe in favor of most people.
Yes, even in México we have racism, classism, and some other -isms, but by far they are not the majority, you can see a lot of poor/uneducated/whatever-classifier people that actually understand the tricks of politics and economics, and they are pretty conscious on what the real problem is about all the difficulties we are facing, so it is really likely that the last paragraph you wrote will happen a lot in the next months years.
I'm positive, don't belive me look at my karma
Maybe you've been a racist and a fascist, but no one called you out because people felt you were one of the isolated cases that would eventually learn of your mistakes or you never spoke out until recently. An admittedly large oversight and fatal mistake but hindsight is 20:20. Instead, you were largely ignored and labeled an unharmful relic of older US culture and left alone to continue your ways, expected to be phased out. Now, every racist, bigot and fascist feels empowered as if that behavior is now acceptable, largely thanks to President Bannon and his pet Donald Trump.
Disclaimer: Idk you or pose this is as truth for your case, but this is a reasonable hypothetical possibility. I know I wasn't aware how many bigots were near me until recently they started vocalizing their opinions and referencing sheer conspiracy theories, using tabloids and evidence. They were always quite nice in person. To be fair, the very same events brought out ignorant ultra left wing liberals that support ideas with no apparent rationale.
The problem is it's impossible to defend CNN when they do shit like this. When Trump calls CNN "fake news," he's not wrong.
We don't have a state-run media we have a media-run state.
his first name is Robert, and he used to work for Bill clinton. He can now be seen, like most left-wing flunkies, "teaching" the young-and-gullible at a university.
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I thought you were looking for 1/4th Reich.
My bad
There's no "should" or "this was correct" about it.
Pay close attention to what he said: ... now you are growing up in an environment where everyone is telling you the news ... So take extra care and try to learn the accuracy"
"We used to watch three or four people tell us the news
He's contrasting what "used" to be with "now" - which I interpret to mean that now is different from what used to be. Then he points out the difference - that now you can't trust what people tell you.
Or maybe it's because the left changed the definitions of racism and fascism to suit themselves? When I was a kid I was taught to judge a man by the content of his character and not the color of skin. So, when a black man is shot by a white cop, I observe that in this instance the black man happened to be a violent criminal who was attacking the officer and the officer was defending himself, so I judge the content of this particular black guy's character as "dirtbag" and so I don't care about the shooting. Good for the officer. The left insists that no, I must judge the white cop by the color of his skin as white (and therefore bad and in the wrong) and the dirtbag by the color of skin as black (and therefore good and oppressed) and demand the head of the cop.
This isn't what racism used to be. You fuckers on the left changed the definition so you can call your political opponents racist. Doesn't make it so. The right didn't go insane. The left went off the goddamn deep end with their 47 genders and race riots for thugs and white privilege bullshit.
We don't have a state-run media we have a media-run state.
You have some strange ideas about the political left.
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SJW, n: "Someone I don't like, and by the way I'm a fuckwit" - AC
No, I mean the left wing bias that infuriates people and causes them to say things like "I'm not racist, but..." or scream "stop calling me a Nazi all the time just because I like Hitler and ethnic cleansing".
Seriously, that Richard Spencer guy is actually annoyed that people point out that "peaceful ethnic cleansing" and an admiration for Hitler and a tendency to associate with neo Nazis is getting him labelled unfairly. And Steve Bannon, poor guy, all he does is repeatedly say the things that a white supremacist would say and people start accusing him of actually being one! As if the things he says somehow indicate what his beliefs are!
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SJW, n: "Someone I don't like, and by the way I'm a fuckwit" - AC
This is because conservatism is the politics of nostalgia and ignoring things that only affect other people.
There's nothing wrong with a country putting its own interests first, and that is not incompatible with caring about and helping others.
Trump wants things to be like the 1950s again. It's even in his campaign slogan: Make American Great Again, as in it used to be great and should go back to that state.
Straw man. You seem to be implying that he supports racist/sexist/homophobic action when that's not true. Being great does not mean completely without flaws, and being great again does not mean reverting to the exact same state (see links).
http://netrightdaily.com/2016/...
The alt-right like this, because after all it is a movement that started with white supremacists. In the 1950s, white people had more rights and power than others. Of course it sucked if you were not white, but... meh, it's those people's own fault or something.
As a conservative, I only started hearing the term alt-right a few months ago on Reddit, so I have no idea about its origin, but most of what I saw were reasonable people unhappy with the way things are going (though of course there were also a few crazies, like in any community). Trump got more minority votes than any Republican candidate in 40 years. Don't tell me that him or the majority of his supporters are white supremacists when they cheer him for telling him like it is.
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http://edition.cnn.com/2016/04...
And that's what the new alt-right media offers: comfort.
I actually agree that the alt-right media offers comfort, because I find comfort in the truth. I find comfort that there are people out there publishing well-reasoned arguments because I'm tired of being force-fed a narrative. I find comfort when I see people rationally debating over things without screaming and violence. I find comfort that when an alt-right journalist says that it's insane that we can be accused of racism for saying "I don't see race." I find comfort in the fact that half of my fellow Americans haven't been completely brainwashed even if many are afraid to speak up because of a violence-promoting left, as was recently shown in Berkeley.
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Reality has a well known left-wing bias.
Left-wing liberalism is a very recent phenomena in the history of mankind, having only been around since the 20th century. It's also a very localized phenomena, afflicting only the rich white-man countries of Western Europe, N. America and Australia. To the vast majority of the human population, liberalism is an utterly foreign concept.
In other words, it's a fad.
Don't believe me? Let's take all the refugees/illegal immigrants that liberals love so much. In the U.S. they are mostly from Mexico, China, Middle Eastern countries. Yes these recent arrivals all vote Democrat, but is it because they're actually liberal? Or is it because they just want free stuff and the ability to bring in more of their friends/family into the country, which the Dems promise them?
I'll start with China since I'm actually from there and very familiar with the culture. There is NO FREAKING LIBERALISM THERE! The culture is very conservative. Hard work, family values, obeying the laws. Drugs? Sex? Rock and roll? If you get caught selling drugs they will EXECUTE YOU. Women's rights? Yeah we treat our women decently, but when it turns out that the entirety of high ranking government officials are all male, or 95% of business leaders are all men, nobody gives a shit and there is no outrage that women are not represented in leadership positions. That's because people just expect that men make better leaders than women. We are also quite patriotic and proud of our culture. We don't burn our nation's flag and indulge in self-hatred, maybe because we didn't enslave blacks or kill off native Indians and therefore don't carry this massive guilt around.
I'm not as familiar with Muslim culture, but from what I've read it's even less liberal than Chinese. At least we don't stone women to death for showing some skin or whatever. And I'm pretty sure gay rights movement is not a thing in Muslim countries.
Mexican culture does seem somewhat more liberal than Chinese or Muslim, but that could just be osmosis from being next to USA. Also Mexico is partly white from their Spanish heritage. But again, I don't see much liberal activism there, there's no big welfare culture there and there wasn't any outrage from Mexican liberals when the government of Mexico started building a wall on its southern border to keep out illegal immigrants from El Salvador.
So yeah, liberalism is recent, it's confined to white man countries, and probably will die off in the near future. Any nation that goes full liberal really can't last very long. Hating your own country, wanting to destroy your own culture, hating your nation's founders and historical heros, this is the symptom of a nation wanting to commit suicide.
I spent five yeas in school learning how to eliminate bias from my observations.
What's unfortunate about making sure something is accurate? The former "gatekeepers" weren't that good at it.
Eh, tl;dr version: We are on our own
“He’s not deformed, he’s just drunk!”
Even Cronkite read some fake, and lots of slanted, news. This is nothing new, yellow journalism launched the Spanish-American war. The golden age of television tried to bring the appearance of integrity to its news, but that was just to make the crowd control more effective when it was deemed necessary.
Now we've got crowdsourced news, and it's totally out of control - the major outlets have more or less abandoned "equal time" and "neutrality" and just feed their audience what they want to hear. People are putting more and more faith in direct person-to-person communication, it's an interesting trend, potentially destabilizing.
So you're saying a white kid playing with a toy gun is just as likely to get shot by a police officer as a black kid?
Because no, that insanity doesn't happen. If there was no problem with police violence and racism, then people would judge them by the color of their skin. You have cause and effect reversed.
The news about the right wing wingnut in Canada shooting up a mosque is equally ignored compared to the stories you say are suppressed. The right has no right to demand that their own hateful propaganda is supreme over the factual news which is what you people are arguing for. The problem is not that there are bad people in any community you care to mention. The problem is that there are fucking racists like you cunts who want to pick a fight with someone who is not white and Christian because you are hiding among white Christians who you can scare into a holocaust against a minority. No doubt you are driven by a need to end the world because of your particular religion but the rest of us would quite like to bring up our families and not to engage in war and persecution which fuckers like you are constantly demanding. 30,800 people a year die in automobile accidents in the United States but racist fuckers like you spend their entire lives inciting lynching of minorities - of which precisely two who killed in recent history may have come from a foreign country. You just do not like people who have a different colored skin do you, you nasty spiteful little boy.
Facts are history now plebs have politics for religion on social media.
Oh yeah, the 21st century version of 'The Soviets were not true Communists'. That famous 'No true Scotsman' argument
men and women are different
About 99% of the time when people say that, they mean "me and women are different in a way exactly given by the social norms in the country I identify with in the 1950s golden age which never actually existed as I think it did". Of those, about another 99% are using it as an excuse to make a judgment call on someone purely on the basis of their genitals.
SJW n. One who posts facts.
Throughout the 90s, nobody even thought about Islam: everybody assumed that since the Cold War was over, we would live happily ever after. That despite things like the First WTC bombing, the Khobar Towers bombing, the Embassy bombings in Kenya & Tanzanya, the USS Cole and finally 9/11.
And since 9/11, there have been more that 30,000 deadly Jihad attacks worldwide, this before there were any US troops in Afghanistan or Iraq. Yeah, there were US troops in KSA, but that was at the behest of the Saudi government in response to Saddam Hussein's 1991 occupation of Kuwait. People make the same assumptions you do b'cos they know nothing about the Islamic doctrines of Jihad, and the necessity to keep spreading Islamic law worldwide until Islam becomes supreme
Your "fact" is a reference to a blog about a blurb from The Daily Show? Thanks for proving just how smug and asinine that cliche is.
... in the comment section.
The fucking "press," died a few years ago. Journalists have all but disappeared.
"Reporters," are actually actors who go from the makeup chair to the anchor desk on visual media to read the teleprompter.
MSM is tapping into external content like YouTube as filler. I tell my wife, while watching David Muir talking up a cute kid tublet, "That video snippet was viral two days ago in the intertoobs.
"News," has been monetized and is actually, "entertainment."
Know who's fault all that shit is?
Surprisingly, it's you and me.
We are served that which which attracts our eyeballs.
We don't want no fucking real news.
We want sensational stories and we enjoy criticizing ourselves for our goddam tastes in "news."
It little behooves the best of us to comment on the rest of us.
The press tone hasn't changed, it's just that the republicans have moved from conservative to fascist.
Nope. It's that democrats and academia have gone so radically left, defending traditional liberal arguments has become a conservative position.
The terms 'racist', 'bigot', and 'fascist' are so abused by the left nowadays they hardly mean anything at all.. Basically they hurl those epithets whenever someone disagrees with their platform and has the temerity to point out why.
Your "fact" is a reference to a blog about a blurb from The Daily Show? Thanks for proving just how smug and asinine that cliche is.
It proves the "new cliche of you people" is over a decade old. Thanks for being fact free since 2004.
Of course news about a fake are Fake News.
The "I'm not racist but" prefix is to stave off the irrational stampedes that occur when one of your precious 'oppressed class' is criticized by one in one in your 'oppressor classes'. The irrationality is rooted in your ideology, not in individual people expressing their opinions and/or making arguments. The latter example is just an ad hominem as well as a non-sequitur. Every large political position has its loons.. For every neo-nazi you can find, there are likely many times the number of feminists supporting mandated castration and black lives matter people shouting "kill whitey". Why? Because the former hasn't been acceptable for half a century now, while the latter's expression is celebrated as emancipation. Of course, you will likely deny this hypocrisy and try to justify it with all the logical loop twisting antics of Kent Hovind and his banana.
hate speech
Eat twelve hundred dicks and die.
We don't have a state-run media we have a media-run state.
Ever think maybe the norms of society grew out of the ways in which men and women are biologically different?
We don't have a state-run media we have a media-run state.
Actually no a white man confronted by cops is more likely to get shot than a black man confronted by cops, because you can kill the white guy and an angry mob isn't going to burn down your city, assassinate your character and ruin your career.
We don't have a state-run media we have a media-run state.
Facts are no longer important do to a misinformation/confusion primarily campaign attempting to remove the validity of rational, evidence based thinking.
The fact that the parent has been modded down as "Overrated"--when in fact it's spot-on--is a symptom of this.
Il n'y a pas de Planet B.
Horseshit. You wouldn't know actual left-of-centre if it came up and bit your arse.
And US companies were not searching for *talent* abroad, they were searching for *cheap labour*.
Il n'y a pas de Planet B.
And Steve Bannon, poor guy, all he does is repeatedly say the things that a white supremacist would say and people start accusing him of actually being one! As if the things he says somehow indicate what his beliefs are!
Let's be fair, now--he's only spouting such things when he's not busy rooting for a war with China.
Il n'y a pas de Planet B.
I know it isn't new, but that's hardly a basis to claim the cliche is "utterly true and in fact a fact" just because a poster wasn't familiar with it's earlier use.
It is difficult for people with a political bias that requires they conform to a narrative to put that aside and examine the world though a scientific lens, like evolutionary biology or some such. They cannot be unfaithful to their party even if the facts directly contradict what they have been told by their leaders and cohorts. This is merely one example of why I consider people who label themselves according to other people's terms, especially political labels, as mentally compromised.
They will sell out the truth to defend a lie that furthers a cause that cares nothing for them. This behavior is completely illogical, self destructive, and fundamentally divisive and I cannot begin to fathom why someone would do this.
When the only tool you have is a claw hammer every problem starts to look like the back of someone's skull.
Ever think maybe the norms of society grew out of the ways in which men and women are biologically different?
Having looked a bit at history and other cultures, I'd say: no.
1950s America is not the definition of Humanity. Deal with it.
SJW n. One who posts facts.
Feminists supporting mandatory castration... What the hell are you smoking? Feminism is all about control over your body, e.g. regarding abortion rights, and that includes objecting to ritual genital mutilation.
This is the most batshit thing you have said for quite some time. New supplier?
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SJW, n: "Someone I don't like, and by the way I'm a fuckwit" - AC
Better realize that the only thing that modern feminism supports is their own supremacist ideology. Because feminists supporting castration? Yeah that exists. Then there's the ones that support killing large segments of the male population because "reasons." And then there's the ones that support infanticide of male babies, and the other ones that are in support of using abortion directly against male babies. Then there's the feminists who are openly in support of FGM because you can't speak out against that backwards culture that believes in it. All the while supporting the same people who beat their wives is fine, as long as they aren't western.
Perhaps it's time to get out of your bubble.
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Not to back-up whomever you're responding to, but Germaine Greer has proposed mandatory sterilization for all men. Of course, that's not quite the same thing as castration. And, well, it's Germaine Greer, knowwhatimean? But I wonder if the GP heard that Greer proposed that filtered through a game of telephone.
You are not alone. This is not normal. None of this is normal.
I know it isn't new, but that's hardly a basis to claim the cliche is "utterly true and in fact a fact" just because a poster wasn't familiar with it's earlier use.
The fact that you complain after shifting the goal post proves it is a fact. Because else you wouldn't complain about how facts get in the way of your "reality".
Of course news about a fake are Fake News.
I'm not shifting the goal post. I was not the original poster that you replied to, and it was you who claimed the cliche was "utterly true and in fact a fact" while linking to a blog about a blurb from The Daily Show. If you want to make grandiose claims, try linking to something substantial.
Not to back-up whomever you're responding to, but Germaine Greer has proposed mandatory sterilization for all men. Of course, that's not quite the same thing as castration. And, well, it's Germaine Greer, knowwhatimean? But I wonder if the GP heard that Greer proposed that filtered through a game of telephone.
There's quite a few feminists hold extremist view points. It's actually become bad enough that the less radical feminists call them out for it, and are attacked for their trouble. Whether said attack is via social media, peer pressure, doxing or threats. It much like the broader scope of social justice is so far down the marxist rabbit hole, that anything right of Lenin is considered extremism in their eyes.
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No, I mean the left wing bias that infuriates people and causes them to say things like "I'm not racist, but..." or scream "stop calling me a Nazi all the time just because I like Hitler and ethnic cleansing".
You know the whole "I'm not racist, but..." bit is mainly prevalent in left-wing politics don't you? Most people on the right rejected identity politics for a reason, and the left decided to eat, breath, and shit it out for breakfast. That is if they're not engaging in overt racism in and of itself, or trying to claim that "diversity quotas" and "preferential hiring" instead of hiring based on race instead of merit isn't actually racism or sexism.
Yeah, I can't find anything that Bannon says outside of far-leftist or social justice circles that is considered "white supremacy."
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Their ideas aren't "strange" about the political left. Those are the ideas that the left espouse on a regular basis. Pick your favorite search engine, and you'll find that those aren't minority opinions among the left. They're majority opinions, and it's also the reason why the left is losing their foothold in nearly every western country. You're living in a political bubble, go read a years back opinions on a site like samizdat and get back to everyone.
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Oh, so it's okay if you just declare another goal the actual goal, because you are joining a game already running? If you don't want to stay on a discussions topic, you are off-topic. Period.
Of course news about a fake are Fake News.
You, the fact that you keep quoting "alt-right" aka fascists hardly supports your point that you aren't a fascist.
Of course news about a fake are Fake News.
Having looked a bit at history and other cultures, I'd say: no.
1950s America is not the definition of Humanity. Deal with it.
Haven't looked very hard then. I suggest looking at the existing matriarchies in the world. When you do, you'll figure out that western society did in deed grow out of the norms. Most other societies have not, which is why women aren't allowed to drive in Saudi Arabia. And in islamic countries, they're considered not only inferior, but worth less then children in the eyes of the law.
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Oh yeah, the 21st century version of 'The Soviets were not true Communists'. That famous 'No true Scotsman' argument
I think you're not a dim-witted person, so I'll respond to this with the assumption that you're just making a disingenuous argument against someone you yourself consider to be dim-witted.
Claiming that the Soviets weren't true Communists is an arguable point from many angles, starting with Marx, and ending with Trotsky.
Also, Claiming that they were is equally valid.
Of course if someone is interested in the real facts of the case and wants to find out where they really went so wrong, you'd arrive at the conclusion that Leninism, practiced in any form, in favor of any economic model, is pretty much bad for everyone.
I suspect that today, in the 21st century, very few self-proclaimed leftists are Leninists. Vanguard parties and dictatorships suck.
At the end of the day, there was very little difference between Hitler and Stalin. They had different theories about what would work best economically for their war machines, but they were both slime bag dictators. Neither libertarian, nor communist beliefs requires a dictatorship. The fact that a lot of Communist revolutions have ended in one is for the same reason that nearly all right-wing revolutions have ended in one- because the people who orchestrate a revolution tend to do it for the sake of seizing power. They're not seizing power for the sake of a revolution.
The fact that you complain after shifting the goal post proves it is a fact.
No, it does not. It just proves that he's willing to be deceitful in his argument, as are you. It does however prove that you have no fucking idea what the word fact means.
You mean that "left-wing bias" which gives rise to things like 20 years of screaming "the nazis/white supremacists are coming."
I'd hardly say they were wrong, as of today.
Not that I think Trump is either of those things, really, but it really is undeniable that a lot of his political power comes from people with fascist and white supremacist leanings. To ignore that is to try to alter reality.
You posted an article by a person and ascribed it to a movement that obviously doesn't support that viewpoint.
I mean, that alone indicates you're either woefully stupid, or highly manipulative.
The part you don't realize, is in doing this, you put someone making the argument that all Trump supports are racist coneheads on equal moral and intellectual honesty footing as you... Which limits our choices for your description to either woefully stupid, or woefully stupid and shitty at manipulation.
Come on, dude.
Ever think maybe the norms of society grew out of the ways that men are culturally raised to be violent and controlling?
I'm not saying that argument is better than yours, but I think you may have fired off yours as if it somehow held more weight than conflicting viewpoints.
Can you point me to a successful civilization with significantly different gender norms to our own? And some jungle tribe doesn't count, I mean some place that invented the wheel at least.
We don't have a state-run media we have a media-run state.
This behavior is completely illogical, self destructive, and fundamentally divisive and I cannot begin to fathom why someone would do this.
Indoctrination and social conditioning. And the human brain didn't evolve to be logical. It evolved to survive. If your social and political survival are dependent on looking at Australian aborigines and the Japanese and repeating "I DO NOT SEE ANY DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THESE PEOPLE THEY ARE BIOLOGICALLY EQUIVALENT" then you'll do it, damn your lying eyes.
We don't have a state-run media we have a media-run state.
Economically, perhaps, but culturally it's off the charts.
We don't have a state-run media we have a media-run state.
Do you have actual statistics on that?
I don't have statistics, but I've observed that a police officer can shoot an unarmed black child with no warning and no time taken to evaluate the situation and get away with nothing more than paid administrative leave. Last I heard, those police haven't had their cities burned down, their character committed suicide before it could be assassinated, and they're doing just fine.
Your facts would appear to be alternative.
"When you have eliminated the unacceptable, whatever is left, however improbable, must be the truthiness" - Holmes
Not my observation. My observation is that there's a lot of racism and bigotry in the country that people don't want to admit to, and that some Republicans are working on the sort of state-corporation alliance that characterizes fascism. Trump, in particular, seems to want to be Fuehrer rather than President.
"When you have eliminated the unacceptable, whatever is left, however improbable, must be the truthiness" - Holmes
"The Femitheist", note the spelling, note the singular.
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SJW, n: "Someone I don't like, and by the way I'm a fuckwit" - AC
Interesting. A quick Google didn't turn up anything, do you have a reference? All Google gives you is her anti-trans views when you combine her name with "sterilization".
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https://mobile.nytimes.com/201...
Mr. Fryer found that in such situations, officers in Houston were about 20 percent less likely to shoot if the suspects were black.
You appear to not have any facts, you just watch how the media turns any shooting of a black person into national news and ignores the shooting of whites. Cops are therefore more likely to shoot an unruly white person because nobody cares about another dead cracker.
Your media sources would appear to be fake news.
We don't have a state-run media we have a media-run state.
Most people on the right live by identity politics. They perceive the world from a point of privilege, and attempt to shoot down any way of reducing the privilege gap. People like them deserve consideration, and people not like them don't. The status quo is that they're more privileged, and they see no reason to stop that. It's not identity politics as much on racial grounds as on social grounds, so the racism is to some extent incidental.
White privilege exists. I consider it decent treatment that should be normal for everyone, but it isn't. It includes being taken seriously, getting some automatic respect, being punished less for the same crimes, that sort of thing. It doesn't mean getting anything you want just because you're a white man.
If you can't find anything on the right wing that is some form of white supremacy, you've drunk gallons of the Kool-aid. Some of it is old-fashioned "whites are better". Much of it is assuming that people have equal opportunity, and that lower performance by disadvantaged groups is their own fault. A lot of it is assuming that the world as they see it is normal and
"When you have eliminated the unacceptable, whatever is left, however improbable, must be the truthiness" - Holmes
C'mon, give us credit for having many more ways to insult you than that. However, "Nazi" is much more appropriate with our current President evidently believing in the Fuehrerprinzip, basically that he's the leader and it's everyone else's job to do what he says, and the resemblances of Trump's rise to Hitler's rise.
"When you have eliminated the unacceptable, whatever is left, however improbable, must be the truthiness" - Holmes
It was in her Guardian column, which should date it quite a bit because, IIRC, she stopped writing there after that spat she had with Suzanne Moore. I just tried the Guardian's own website but I don't think they host archives of her column alas.
Her argument went something along the lines of "Men and women want to have sex all the time, right now the onus is on the woman to avoid getting pregnant if either the man or woman doesn't want to become a parent yet. What we should do instead is have all men bank their sperm, get the snip, and then everyone can fuck as much as they want. When it's time to have a baby, they can get the sperm from the sperm bank."
It makes sense in a horrifying kind of way...
You are not alone. This is not normal. None of this is normal.
Oh, I see. Yes, rather extreme, almost wonder if she was serious. In any case, it's not really sterilization, certainly not castration.
I'm not trying to be argumentive, it's just that the right does love to misrepresent what people say. I'm mostly concerned with the facts.
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SJW, n: "Someone I don't like, and by the way I'm a fuckwit" - AC
Well, sterilization was the word she used IIRC. She may well have been just being provocative, I mean, like I said, it's Germaine Greer, she tends to do that.
I understand what you're trying to do, and yeah, the right really has a truth problem at the moment. And I don't think they care.
You are not alone. This is not normal. None of this is normal.
Gosh man. Read your own posts and try to understand what you're saying.
"It is no measure of health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society." - Jiddu Krishnamurti
Oh, so it's okay if you just declare another goal the actual goal
No, that was you when you made the grandiose claim. I was responding to your claim.
And now you make shit up like all good conservatives. Trump must be so proud.
Of course news about a fake are Fake News.
The fact that you complain after shifting the goal post proves it is a fact.
No, it does not. It just proves that he's willing to be deceitful in his argument, as are you. It does however prove that you have no fucking idea what the word fact means.
Says the alt-facter.
Of course news about a fake are Fake News.
Says the alt-facter.
lol- excellent rebuttal, Donald.
Naw, it is easier than that, once all technological actors and technology prone families have been identified, the remaining anthropoids can evolutively select against it, eliminate all such genes, and sink again in their comfortable Antiquity where only Church and Priest mattered and King was just warlord you knew exactly what to expect from according to your role in society: Information? Disinformation? What are you talking about? You are crazy! Guards! We have another incoherent maniac Barbarian heretic here!
Fascinating, Thanks for the cite, and for answering my request for statistics.
What that means is that, in an arrest, police in the studied cities were less likely to shoot blacks they stopped, and more likely to use less lethal violence. The paper also points out that police are more likely to stop blacks than whites.
So, which of my media sources would be fake news? There are two fairly recent highly publicized cases of a police officer coming up to a black child and killing said child and not being prosecuted. You should be able to find sources yourself if you doubt mine. They make much better cases for BLM than people like Michael Brown. Aside from that, I didn't say anything that needs a source.
Chill, guy.
"When you have eliminated the unacceptable, whatever is left, however improbable, must be the truthiness" - Holmes
And you deny that you said something that's a digital record of fact, like a good libtard: "Thanks for proving that "new cliche" utterly true and in fact a fact."
Clinton must be proud.
Stalin must be proud of you since that doesn't say what you claim it does. Yes, you are a true conservative like Stalin.
Of course news about a fake are Fake News.
Says the alt-facter.
lol- excellent rebuttal, Donald.
How nice of you to sign your posts. Now you only have to sign it wth your real name: Mr. Bannon.
Of course news about a fake are Fake News.
What does it say, then? "Thanks for proving that "new cliche" utterly true and in fact a fact."
Stalin, like a true leftist authoritarian, would be proud of you, not me, for trying to pass off this Orwellian doublethink. The only problem is you have no power, so it just comes off as petty bullshit.
It says what it says, not what you claim it says, you Stalinist pig.
Of course news about a fake are Fake News.
Then what does it say that is different than what I claim it says? Who do you think you are fooling? It's a black and white statement.