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Can Technology Prevent Cops From Forgetting To Turn On Their Body Cameras? (fastcompany.com)

tedlistens writes from a report via Fast Company: Axon, Taser's growing police camera division, has announced a new wireless sensor for gun and Taser holsters that can detect when a weapon is drawn and automatically activate all nearby cameras. The sensor, Signal Sidearm, is part of a suite of products aimed at reducing the possibility that officers will fail to switch on their cameras during encounters with the public. It happens more than it should: Last year in Chicago, for instance, an officer apparently forgot to turn on his camera before fatally shooting and killing an unarmed 18-year-old named Paul O'Neal. Taser isn't alone in trying to address this and other technical and procedural issues with cameras, but reformers emphasize that just as body cameras won't solve problems with policing, new sensors won't prevent officers from failing to record. Fast Company adds: "Automatically-activated cameras won't be completely effective at providing oversight of police encounters: As happened when Baton Rouge police shot Alton Sterling last year, cameras can fall off during physical encounters, a problem that Taser has worked to address. They can also malfunction, or videos can be deleted. And civil liberties advocates complain that cameras are only as effective as the rules that guide their use: [...] the ACLU has complained that current city policy allowing officers to switch cameras off for privacy reasons gives police too much discretion over when to record. Other issues with cameras being resolved at the local level include the heavy costs of cloud video storage, and the question of whether officers are allowed to view their footage immediately after violent encounters -- a privilege not extended to the public."

167 comments

  1. Probably by Zontar+The+Mindless · · Score: 1

    See $subject. And why is this even a question?

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    1. Re:Probably by arglebargle_xiv · · Score: 3, Insightful

      This is a non-solution to a "problem" that those involved don't want solved. If you can't accidentally forget to turn off your camera just before you accidentally kill someone by accidentally shooting them by accident in an accidental way that accidentally doesn't get recorded, police will either find some other way to bypass it (it malfunctioned, ignore the hammer marks on the case) or refuse to use it.

    2. Re:Probably by dougdonovan · · Score: 4, Interesting

      hr and dispatch will have the schedules and should automatically turn the camera on for you at the beginning of your shift when you start so you can get paid to carry a gun and a badge. at the end of your shift, hr and dispatch will turn the camera off no matter what time of day it is.

    3. Re: Probably by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Just don't pay overtime for unfilmed shootings. There is no excuse to lose revenue on youtube hits just because some dopey cop forgets to turn his camera on.
      Same for the militaries. And Nancy Pelosi.

    4. Re:Probably by gweihir · · Score: 2

      Indeed. As long as Cops do not get a "go to jail directly" card when their cameras are off in such a situation, this is not going to change.

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    5. Re:Probably by ThomasBHardy · · Score: 1

      I think there's probably some subtleties in there, more granular than full-day coverage.

      Perhaps the camera are remote activated at the start of each dispatch call, if they are not already on and cannot be turned off until dispatch closes the call. That way between calls, the camera does not have to b on when some poor schmoe in blue is taking a leak or eating his lunch. We all deserve some "off time".

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    6. Re:Probably by drinkypoo · · Score: 2

      Indeed. As long as Cops do not get a "go to jail directly" card when their cameras are off in such a situation, this is not going to change.

      Even that isn't necessary, although I am on board. All that has to be done is to assume the cop is lying about every statement they make while the camera is off. We should have a legal requirement for this: the cop's word is never enough, there must always be evidence. (It doesn't have to be video evidence, but there has to be more than their word, which is provably not good.) Problem solved.

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    7. Re:Probably by mwvdlee · · Score: 1

      "Hold it right there, scum! I said hold it... just a few more minutes... any second now..." *click* Pow!

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    8. Re:Probably by whitlocktj · · Score: 1

      Assuming of course that the reason cops forget to turn on their camera is that they want to go shoot someone.

    9. Re:Probably by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      In places where the cameras are always on the cameras break at a ridiculous rate.

      The cameras need to be on when handed to the officer at the beginning of the shift and not turned physically able to be turned off until after they are turned back in at the end of the shift. Failures need to be aggressively investigated and intentionally damaging them in order to prevent recording needs to be a felony. This may sound "anti-cop" but its the only way to bust the culture that is allergic to oversight in many LEOs.

      source: I used to work in the industry.

    10. Re:Probably by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Then we (as their employers) can refuse to hire them.

    11. Re:Probably by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Off time"? I've never met a cop that doesn't want to be treated like a cop even when they are at a BBQ. What do we do about the cops that are off duty and "try to help"? Are we going to require they use a specific gun and ban them from owning any other firearm? After all, why can't they grab their own glock and claim they were acting as a professional?

    12. Re:Probably by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Simplest solution: personal and professional responsibility as mandated by a new law. If you do not turn your camera on and an incident occurs then you're automatically up for manslaughter (as a civilian) for lack of evidence. And ALSO immediately kill their payroll until the matter is completely closed - no paid desk duty, etc.

      After the first case the cops will all MAKE sure their [redacted-expletive] cameras are turned on.

      Or, improve the tech so that the cameras will run for a solid shift (with no on/off button, and day-glo-colored so it'd be impossible to lose or not to notice). If an incident happens then make it the responsibility of THE CHIEF (not some uniformed monkey of any lower rank) to goto the scene, and immediately swap that cop's camera for an empty, freshly charged one, and secure it as evidence.

    13. Re:Probably by gweihir · · Score: 1

      Indeed.

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    14. Re:Probably by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I agree with the payroll idea. The camera is YOUR responsibility and if you drop or lose part of your kit then there's a painful penalty - it would be like leaving your gun in the car and not being able to stop a badguy shooting someone else.

      WHY in all this is no one talking about the rights of Citizens filming cops? Public place, and all that, even if it's forbidden to show in public (i.e. internet) there could be a branch of the Judicial system to accept evidence (DEFINITELY don't turn it over to the COPS who could be proved guilty!) to record it and maintain its chain-of-custody for use in a trial.

  2. Easily by El_Muerte_TDS · · Score: 1

    Just shock them if they move while the camera isn't on.

    1. Re:Easily by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This would be a double-duty taser! Synergies, sustainability, Internet-of-blah.

      Fully buzzword compliant. You're brilliant!

    2. Re:Easily by BlueStrat · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Just shock them if they move while the camera isn't on.

      This would be a double-duty taser! Synergies, sustainability, Internet-of-blah.

      Fully buzzword compliant. You're brilliant!

      But we all know, with government's history of naming acts and such to mean the exact opposite (USA-PATRIOT Act, anyone?), it would end up with government twisting it around 180 degrees to civilians receiving the shocks if they're not under surveillance, not police.

      But seriously, the problems with US domestic police forces run far deeper than what these programs address. It's the entire culture and mentality that must be addressed.

      It used to be that in the US there were no such things as police sergeants, lieutenants, captains, etc. The quasi-military rank structure came into being IIRC in Los Angeles California(?). It seems that since this change to quasi-military ranks and organization it has contributed heavily to a 'war' type 'us vs them' mentality. A military organization is good to occupy, pacify, and destroy. It's not good as everyday local domestic law enforcement in a non-wartime/revolution, peacetime setting.

      The 'war on (some) drugs' also greatly exacerbates an already-bad problem.

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    3. Re:Easily by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      > But seriously, the problems with US domestic police forces run far deeper than what these programs address.

      Yes. I was following along with the tongue-in-cheek, but you are right. The militarization of police (and the parallel degradation of the judiciary, in part driven by the "justice is revenge" frame of mind, instead of something trying to hold society together... don't get me started on jails!) is absolutely scary.

      Especially because many people seem to favor that, especially the revenge part. The whole monster has democratic support.

    4. Re:Easily by dave420 · · Score: 1

      Then why don't countries which also have such ranks suffer from a similar problem? Your explanation doesn't seem to account for this.

    5. Re:Easily by kaatochacha · · Score: 1

      It really started following the North Hollywood shootout which happened almost exactly 20 years ago.
      A prime portion of that was the underarmed cops having to borrow rifles from a nearby gun store, as shots with pistols and shotguns did nothing to the two criminals involved. Reading up on that incident makes it easier to understand why they decided to militarize. Not saying I agree, just makes it less "They wanna kill us all now!"

  3. Make it illegal to not turn them on by future+assassin · · Score: 2

    If they got nothing to hide they have nothing to worry about.

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    1. Re:Make it illegal to not turn them on by Calydor · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The issue only arises if the video is required for a future trial. Hell, high-def video of what she looked like when the officers arrived on the scene might even be used as evidence IN HER FAVOR.

      If the video is never requested for trial (maybe nothing happened, maybe there was a plea bargain or whatever) it just sits and collects proverbial dust on a hard drive somewhere.

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    2. Re: Make it illegal to not turn them on by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes.

    3. Re:Make it illegal to not turn them on by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Yes, because you really want video proof to put those bastards behind bars for a long time.
      No, I don't think they should be shot on the spot. I want a functioning justice system, and that means that the cop shouldn't pass judgement or act as executioner.
      What we need to do is to stop taking a cops witness-report as more reliable than any other.
      They should use that camera to collect evidence that is more reliable than just their words.
      If the video handed in to the courts contains gaps it should be treated as if the video has been tampered with.

      The video isn't something that should be available for everyone to tap into whenever they like. It is evidence that should be handed to the court to back up, clarify or disprove other reports given.

    4. Re:Make it illegal to not turn them on by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That is unrealistic. You can either you have an "always on" rule or you automate the activation/deactivation of the camera, but you cannot give control to a human being and expect him to balance the need for privacy and the need to record things flawlessly. Especially not when the recording is most needed, namely very tense situations where the cop will most likely be preoccupied with other matters, like his own, and other people's, safety.

    5. Re:Make it illegal to not turn them on by TheRaven64 · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Yes. The system should be designed so that everything is recorded and encrypted with one of a rolling set of asymmetric keys. Nothing can be played back without accessing the decryption key, which should not be available to the individual police precinct without oversight. Everything recorded should be stored and, unless needed, deleted a month later. Any decryption keys that are not used within this period should be deleted without ever being released, so even if someone takes an unauthorised copy of the video, they can't decrypt it.

      It absolutely should not be up to the judgement of an individual in a highly emotionally charged situation to decide what should be recorded.

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    6. Re:Make it illegal to not turn them on by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      Yes. It's not like the recording is for the evening news, it's for evidence gathering. When I lie beaten up in a pool of my blood dressed in a pink elephant costume in a tutu because that's what turned my tormentor on, I sure as fuck want that recorded and secured as evidence.

      If you show it to anyone who isn't concerned with solving the case I'll step on your balls while you're watching me do it, though.

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    7. Re:Make it illegal to not turn them on by Opportunist · · Score: 3, Informative

      We're not talking about average citizens. We hand these people a LOT of power. Essentially they have the power monopoly in the country (in most countries at least). They are granted powers above and beyond what the average person may do. But those powers are not granted to them as individuals but as their function, and they are not granted to be used at their whims.

      These powers are handed to them so they can use them to protect our common interests.

      The same applies to politicians, by the way. Oddly enough you never see anyone wonder why they aren't under surveillance, considering their ability to harm our interest is by some margin greater.

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    8. Re:Make it illegal to not turn them on by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      What we need to do is to stop taking a cops witness-report as more reliable than any other.

      That would be step one. Better would be to assume by default that if he "forgot" to turn the camera on, he is hiding something.

      A CFO doesn't get to say "oh, I forgot to do the bookkeeping, just trust me when I say that the mission $5 million was not used to buy my new private yacht", why does a police officer get to say "oh, I forgot to turn the camera on, just trust me when I say that the suspect was not shot for walking while black"?

    9. Re:Make it illegal to not turn them on by JaredOfEuropa · · Score: 2

      Cops have a right to privacy too, to some extent. That doesn't mean the camera shouldn't be always on, but it does mean that there should be some rules and regulations to protect the privacy of everyone being filmed, including the cops themselves. Rules that determine when the footage may be used and for what purposes. For example: not to be used for job performance reviews, nor to check how many donuts each cop consumes on the job. Only to be used for training purposes with the consent of everyone in the video (or properly anonymized). Proper process for using the videos in after-action reviews. Access to the videos to be regulated and audited. Etc. The cops should be certain that if they harass someone or use undue violence, it will be on film and can be used against them. But they should also be certain that the videos will only be used as evidence in case of complaints or interventions where some violence occurred, and that they won't be done for publicly picking their nose or not being polite enough to a member of the public.

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    10. Re:Make it illegal to not turn them on by jellomizer · · Score: 2

      There is a difference between a police person and the private individual rights. Once the police person is off duty they are allowed their personal freedoms and privacy. However when they are on duty they are acting as part of the government and the community. While on duty they are granted extra rights and privileges, as they can cross the line to catch the bad guys. Also if hurt in the line of duty the punishment for the person who hurt them is often more severe as it is considered more than an attack on the individual but on the community.
      That said, unlike many other careers to become a police there is only a 6 month academy for training, for a job that requires them to be an athlete, lawyer, investigator, public servant. In a high stress environment, all for low/mid middle class salary. Then you combine it with the standard motivation to become a police officer is to be able to fight people. That means most people who become officers may not be the best person for the job that society demands of them. And that extra power they have while on duty can easily be abused, even with the best of intentioned officers.
      The course of work requires a lot of judgment calls, in judgement calls your prejudices and feelings are strong factors. So these police body cameras are actually an important tool.
      1. It shows the activity from the point of view of the officer. Mistakes will be made, but that you tube video taken at a different angle may put the officer in a bad light where if shown from his point of view you could see that the actions may had been more menacing.
      2. Being that they just can't get away with it. Means they will be more apt to follow correct policy and procedures. Some say it may stop the officer from making the quick decisions however American justice system is suppose to protect the innocent even at the expense of letting the guilty go.
      3. Most of the time the police are fighting the bad guys in the act. So having actions on film can stop the word of mouth evidence. Causing the guilty to be more easily punished.
      4. Help increase faith in our police that they are there to protect us In many areas and community the fear of police means that they will try to solve their problems their own way, or let them slide

      Now that we have the technology for police body cameras it really should be a normal tool. Or we will need to find a harder fix towards the systemic problems we have with our police force.

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    11. Re:Make it illegal to not turn them on by jellomizer · · Score: 1

      Unfortunately that image would be evidence. Also often with abused victims they may protect the person who hurt them. So without that camera view of the officer walking into the scene of the crime seeing what he saw. The victim may lie in court accusing the officer of raping her protecting the actual rapist.

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    12. Re:Make it illegal to not turn them on by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      People use that train of logic to justify illegal search and seizures.

    13. Re: Make it illegal to not turn them on by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you are not recording you are not a police officer.

    14. Re:Make it illegal to not turn them on by sheramil · · Score: 1

      "Ah, it's such a pain.. the bodycams turn on when we deploy a pistol or a gun, so we have to kick them to death now."

    15. Re:Make it illegal to not turn them on by sheramil · · Score: 1

      i meant "pistol or a baton". give me a break, i just woke up.

    16. Re:Make it illegal to not turn them on by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Everything recorded should be stored and, unless needed, deleted a month later.

      Of course, proven police misconduct is so rare that it is not worth the effort to introduce procedures that will ensure that the video is released within this month whenever someone accuses a police officer. Even if such procedures were set up, they would often fail because they are rarely used correctly.

    17. Re:Make it illegal to not turn them on by Gilgaron · · Score: 1

      Make it GLP and archive for 5 years to be safe.

    18. Re:Make it illegal to not turn them on by Antique+Geekmeister · · Score: 1

      > That doesn't mean the camera shouldn't be always on

      It does present a privacy issue for police who are off duty and have not yet taken off their uniforms. When an officer is working double or triple shifts in an emergency, I'd concede them some private time in between those shifts without having to switch uniform, or even personal time on their way home in their own vehicle. As long as they've taken off their badge and are clearly off duty, I can understand it.

      There are difficulties when they go "on" duty in the midst of their off duty time, again for an emergency of some sort.

    19. Re:Make it illegal to not turn them on by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Slight problem here is that police have a long history of misplacing evidence that makes them look bad. If the video is deleted automatically whenever it's not specifically demanded, police will forget to place the holds.
      For this system to work, and it's surely a good intent, the keys have to be taken from police hands entirely. You say it shouldn't be up to an individual, and I totally agree. But I'll go a step further and say it shouldn't be up to an individual or anyone under the same authority.

    20. Re:Make it illegal to not turn them on by Merk42 · · Score: 1

      If you show it to anyone who isn't concerned with solving the case I'll step on your balls while you're watching me do it, though.

      What if that's what turns me on?

    21. Re:Make it illegal to not turn them on by 140Mandak262Jamuna · · Score: 2

      Of course, proven police misconduct is so rare

      Have you ever wonder why so much of the misconduct allegations have not been proven? If you are predisposed to think ALL the accusations are false, and ALL the police officers are saints ALL the time, you are biased.

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    22. Re:Make it illegal to not turn them on by tsqr · · Score: 1

      If they got nothing to hide they have nothing to worry about.

      Really? Keep that in mind the next time a law enforcement officer asks you to unlock your phone.

    23. Re:Make it illegal to not turn them on by tsqr · · Score: 1

      Of course, proven police misconduct is so rare

      Have you ever wonder why so much of the misconduct allegations have not been proven? If you are predisposed to think ALL the accusations are false, and ALL the police officers are saints ALL the time, you are biased.

      I saw no such predisposition. Ponder the difference between "rare" and "non-existent" or "so much" and "all".

    24. Re:Make it illegal to not turn them on by king+neckbeard · · Score: 1

      No, because it's easier to resolve the presented issue with reasonable laws on access than to grant an exception for a hypothetical that will inevitably be abused.

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    25. Re:Make it illegal to not turn them on by myowntrueself · · Score: 1

      If they got nothing to hide they have nothing to worry about.

      Its a cop in the USA. If they do something illegal I'd assume nothing happens.

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    26. Re:Make it illegal to not turn them on by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      Cops have a right to privacy too, to some extent.

      A much, much lesser extent.

      Rules that determine when the footage may be used and for what purposes. For example: not to be used for job performance reviews, nor to check how many donuts each cop consumes on the job.

      Bullshit. There is no reason why that footage should not be used for performance reviews. In fact, if it is made mandatory then that should have a significant positive impact on police behavior.

      But they should also be certain that the videos will only be used as evidence in case of complaints or interventions where some violence occurred, and that they won't be done for publicly picking their nose or not being polite enough to a member of the public.

      No. Those videos also need to be used as evidence to determine whether cops are telling the truth, every time they make a statement, because they are so prone to lying in court.

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    27. Re:Make it illegal to not turn them on by myowntrueself · · Score: 1

      Of course, proven police misconduct is so rare

      Have you ever wonder why so much of the misconduct allegations have not been proven? If you are predisposed to think ALL the accusations are false, and ALL the police officers are saints ALL the time, you are biased.

      I saw no such predisposition. Ponder the difference between "rare" and "non-existent" or "so much" and "all".

      Its essentially the same apparatus that investigates them as protects them. It cannot be relied on. Its like investigating top politicians for organised child abuse (as they are trying to do in the UK and not really getting anywhere).

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    28. Re:Make it illegal to not turn them on by myowntrueself · · Score: 1

      Cops have a right to privacy too, to some extent. That doesn't mean the camera shouldn't be always on, but it does mean that there should be some rules and regulations to protect the privacy of everyone being filmed, including the cops themselves. Rules that determine when the footage may be used and for what purposes. For example: not to be used for job performance reviews, nor to check how many donuts each cop consumes on the job. Only to be used for training purposes with the consent of everyone in the video (or properly anonymized). Proper process for using the videos in after-action reviews. Access to the videos to be regulated and audited. Etc. The cops should be certain that if they harass someone or use undue violence, it will be on film and can be used against them. But they should also be certain that the videos will only be used as evidence in case of complaints or interventions where some violence occurred, and that they won't be done for publicly picking their nose or not being polite enough to a member of the public.

      Simple solution to the problem of them forgetting to turn the camera on: Make it so they can forget to turn it off.

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    29. Re:Make it illegal to not turn them on by Enigma2175 · · Score: 1

      If they got nothing to hide they have nothing to worry about.

      Really? Keep that in mind the next time a law enforcement officer asks you to unlock your phone.

      THAT'S THE JOKE. Since the police are always using that line on citizens who just want their 4th amendment rights respected, I think it's only fair to turn it around on them.

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    30. Re:Make it illegal to not turn them on by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You can tune into the official US Senate and House of Representatives livestreams. It's not everything, but it's at least everything when they're executing their primary duty.

    31. Re:Make it illegal to not turn them on by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Solution: They have to write a report when they have fired shots outside of the practice range. So demand that the video is handed over to "internal investigation" along with the report. If they don't do that, they have failed to do their duty by failing to report. A cop must do his paperwork.

    32. Re:Make it illegal to not turn them on by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Public officials executing their duties do not generally have a right to privacy. While they're on duty, they are instruments of the state, not private citizens.

    33. Re:Make it illegal to not turn them on by tsqr · · Score: 1

      Here's the thing. Police are allowed by law to lie to, play tricks upon, and intimidate persons of interest in the course of an investigation. Persons of interest who use those tactics on the police, on the other hand, are in violation of the law. It's not symmetrical, so saying, "It's only fair to turn it around" is not true, and if it's a joke it's a poor one.

    34. Re:Make it illegal to not turn them on by AK+Marc · · Score: 1

      Why is it that you would give them no-camera-time, but not give them not-reviewed-time? Seems the best balance is to have the camera on all the time, and a "private time" button that can be pressed, to "request" that it not be reviewed.

      They can have all the private time they want, but if they are in the public toilet in uniform and something happens, it's better that 1000 poops be recorded and ignored than one fatal shooting be lost.

    35. Re:Make it illegal to not turn them on by painandgreed · · Score: 1

      The issue only arises if the video is required for a future trial. Hell, high-def video of what she looked like when the officers arrived on the scene might even be used as evidence IN HER FAVOR.

      Depends on the local laws. Here in Seattle there was discussion on this topic because such video was public info and discoverable by Freedom of Information requests.

    36. Re:Make it illegal to not turn them on by swillden · · Score: 1

      We're not talking about average citizens. We hand these people a LOT of power.

      Yes and no.

      Police officers actually have remarkably little legal authority that citizens don't have. The details vary a little, but for example in my state, if you examine the statutes the only things they can do that you can't are (1) to use deadly force against a fleeing felony suspect, with reasonable belief that the force is necessary to prevent harm, (2) they don't need to get a concealed weapons permit to carry a concealed weapon, (3) they can ignore traffic laws when they use lights/siren, (4) they can dress like cops and call themselves cops and (5), they can issue citations.

      Other than (1) above, they don't actually have any legal right to use force on people that you don't have, nor do they have greater arrest powers. On (1), you have to have a reasonable belief that not using deadly force will result in imminent and serious bodily injury or death (of someone; doesn't have to be you).

      But there's the law, and then there's practice.

      In practice, the system gives them the benefit of the doubt in virtually every way possible. For example, when they shoot someone in the line of duty, they're almost never prosecuted for murder, even if the shoot is determined to have been bad. It has to be a really egregiously bad action to get them any punishment stronger than an immediate retirement with full pension. They also have significant resources available to defend them if they are prosecuted, since their union dues generally cover legal defense for any situation arising on the job. And in court, their word is hardly ever questioned. I once tried to fight a speeding ticket which was completely bogus (I was *not* speeding, at all, and the officer who pulled me over had no proof that I was since he neither paced me nor radar'ed me) and when I told the judge my story the judge said "My officer wouldn't lie, so that means you're lying" and gave me the maximum fine allowed. I had a witness to back my story up, so it was two against one, but the cop's word won.

      So, according to the law we don't give them a lot of power. In reality, we do.

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    37. Re:Make it illegal to not turn them on by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Pretty much,

      This IMO is why the best solution would be to let the cop have control over the camera, but to hold them to "video or it didn't hapen" when they testify. That way the camera's main job it to replace that "a cop wouldn't lie" nonsense with "a cop has a camera on their chest lets look at the footage and see what happened", so we have an evidence based system for trusting cops rather than one based on wishful thinking.

      Really this would be an extension of "innocent until proven guilty". The prosecution is expected to prove their claims not just make them.

    38. Re:Make it illegal to not turn them on by zlives · · Score: 1

      yes

    39. Re:Make it illegal to not turn them on by sound+vision · · Score: 1

      Perhaps false reports of police abuses would go down too, the accusers knowing the evidence would show the truth?

    40. Re:Make it illegal to not turn them on by Antique+Geekmeister · · Score: 1

      Because records can be, and are, stolen. Some are even "stolen" legally, with Patriot Act warrants, and could put the officer's life and those of people near him at risk.

    41. Re:Make it illegal to not turn them on by AK+Marc · · Score: 1

      So video of the officer pooping would endanger his life. And if the police can't keep their videos from being stolen, we need new police. And it'd be trivial to make them FOIA exempt.

    42. Re:Make it illegal to not turn them on by Antique+Geekmeister · · Score: 1

      Poorly secured video of an officer's family and home, or their personal vehicle, could endanger their safety. Video of an officer's day to day patrol patterns or their favorite place to get breakfast could also aggravate such risks. And managing the security of such content is burden both to software data access management, and to the budgets for police departments. Making them "FOIA exempt" is not helpful if it's being stolen or requested by such poorly managed legal means as a Patriot Act request. Even police in local departments have been caught abusing their powers to violate the privacy of other local officers.

      Please note that I am not automatically saying that such data is valueless. The existence of police misconduct, and the availability of reliable information to aid prosecution, are factors in favor of constant surveillance of the police themselves. But this does not eliminate the risks of having and of maintaining and securing this data.

    43. Re:Make it illegal to not turn them on by AK+Marc · · Score: 1

      Why is the officer going home while on-duty, driving their personal vehicle?

      And someone planning on executing a cop spending years methodically studying video of route and habit only happens on CSI. The actual people who do that walk in the front door, and start shooting every cop they see, hoping to get the one they wanted before they die. So worrying about that (or even bring it up conversationally) demonstrates a great rift between you and reality, not supporting some insane theory.

    44. Re:Make it illegal to not turn them on by Antique+Geekmeister · · Score: 1

      > Why is the officer going home while on-duty, driving their personal vehicle?

      Many officers do their laundry at home, and wear their uniforms to and from work. Others do extra hours on paid details, and may only have time for a meal or a nap before that paid duty shift: returning from patrol to the station, rather than proceeding to a paid detail to or from home, may make little sense.

      And yes, an officer on longer shifts may need gear, medication, or tools that are not available at the station but is at home. I'm particularly thinking of socks and shoes: I've personally seen police working during poor weather whose shoes or boots were _soaked_, and who would definitely need fresh shoes and socks to protect their feet to do a necessary second shift.

  4. Cops are unaccountable by nature by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Cops are unaccountable by nature. They're specifically trained to deceive, lie, entrap, and kill. Cops are brainwashed into thinking "cops don't rat cops out" so you end up with widespread corruption and resistance to external pressure for accountability and transparency.

    Even with their body cameras ON they only show THEIR angle of story. We all know how it is the perspective that makes the story.

    More technical solutions means more technical solutions used as scapegoats. "Now it didn't work. It's not my fault, because it is supposed to work automatically! It's Taser's fault!"

    The only way out of the prison society is to IMPRISON those who infringe upon our God-given human rights. In a free, liberal society citizens shouldn't be afraid of cops. THEY should be afraid of US.

    1. Re:Cops are unaccountable by nature by tsqr · · Score: 1

      Even with their body cameras ON they only show THEIR angle of story. We all know how it is the perspective that makes the story.

      The obvious solution is to have everyone everywhere recording everything they do, all the time. Wait, wasn't there a Black Mirrror episode where they did that?

  5. Betteridge's law of headlines by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Any headline that ends in a question mark can be answered by the word no.

    So, I can say with confidence cops will continue to 'forget' to turn on their cameras, and 'accidentally' wipe the tapes, if they didn't 'forget' to empty them before duty, of course.

  6. No by rsilvergun · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Was talking about this with my brother and he brought up the best Upton Sinclare qoute of all time:

    "It is difficult to get a man to understand something when his salary depends upon his not understanding it."

    You'll always have footage go missing and cams get shut off because it's part of the system. The public is complacent in the whole thing. So a higher up comes along and tells the techies to make the footage disappear and it does. Period. And we all look the other way when a black guy in a poor neighborhood gets shot and 3-5 officers have a camera malfunction instead of demanding they all get fired for not maintaining their equipment. Hell, even when they do get fired they just move to another precinct...

    I'm reminded of long haul truckers. I couldn't figure out how they cheated their books with GPSes and electronic logs. The answer: They only spot check individual logs of individual drivers and they warn the driver being checked before hand. My buddy hated it because he never cheated a log so his driver manager made sure he was always the one to get checked. He eventually gave up the line of work because he couldn't find a way to do it without cheating and he's the paranoid type.

    This is the same damn thing. We don't need more tech. We need to use the tech we already have.

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    1. Re:No by silas_moeckel · · Score: 1

      It's not hard if camera video unavailable for any reason it should be no different than civil court if you refuse to produce records you assume they show things in the worst light possible.

      This means by law a fatal shooting without camera footage means the cops is automatically tried and convicted for murder unless other footage is available so show his innocence. Oddly they will start insuring their camera's work.

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    2. Re:No by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "You'll always have footage go missing and cams get shut off because it's part of the system. The public is complacent in the whole thing. So a higher up comes along and tells the techies to make the footage disappear and it does. Period. And we all look the other way when a black guy in a poor neighborhood gets shot and 3-5 officers have a camera malfunction instead of demanding they all get fired for not maintaining their equipment. Hell, even when they do get fired they just move to another precinct..."

      Some of the public may be complacent with it, others not so much. When enough police kill enough unarmed people without accountability, bad things start happening to the police. See the past few years of the police getting killed by a disgruntled public who has had enough of their bullshit. I would venture a guess that the police who died were not the ones deserving of it. ( If you knowingly shoot and kill an unarmed individual out of " fear for your life " while carrying a variety of lethal / non-lethal tools, body armor and training to even BE a police officer, you're either a coward or incompetent. Certainly unfit to wear the badge. Since the courts won't hold them accountable, public anger can certainly put a stop to that behavior in a hurry. )

      Tip to police: Weed out your bad apples. Their behavior is putting YOUR life at risk because the public doesn't differentiate between Joe the Good Cop and Bob the Bad one. To the public, you're Police. Period. The military figured this out a long time ago. The public doesn't see Soldier or Sailor X. They see US Military. You f*ck up while in uniform and the UCMJ will come down on you like a Hammer from God for smearing the reputation of the Services. You can kiss your military career goodbye.

      While the officers don't seem to understand it, the cameras HELP them as much as they hold them accountable for any actions they may take. It does nothing but look bad for police when footage goes " missing ". I doubt they really want to reawaken the slumbering dragon that is effectively an open season on all police officers again.

    3. Re:No by Merk42 · · Score: 1

      It's not hard if camera video unavailable for any reason it should be no different than civil court if you refuse to produce records you assume they show things in the worst light possible.

      This means by law a fatal shooting without camera footage means the cops is automatically tried and convicted for murder unless other footage is available so show his innocence. Oddly they will start insuring their camera's work.

      Guilty until proven innocent?

    4. Re:No by myowntrueself · · Score: 1

      It's not hard if camera video unavailable for any reason it should be no different than civil court if you refuse to produce records you assume they show things in the worst light possible.

      This means by law a fatal shooting without camera footage means the cops is automatically tried and convicted for murder unless other footage is available so show his innocence. Oddly they will start insuring their camera's work.

      Guilty until proven innocent?

      That could actually work.

      For everyone else its innocent until proven guilty.

      For people like politicians, cops, lawyers its the other way around. I mean thats what ordinary people assume anyway, right?

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    5. Re:No by silas_moeckel · · Score: 1

      No you just like civil court it's assumed to be what the other side says it is if you do not produce it.So if the sum total if 2 people down an ally then yes you would be fighting an uphill battle. If it's lost in some IT snafu again yes. You're not assuming guilt your assuming evidence if it's not produced. Cops intentionally do stupid things with data I say that working with many branches over my career. They fail to follow normal corp protocols for this sort of thing, make copy's asap lock them away and ensure it's on unalterable media. Hells I know of one PD who you can easily access the evidence file server via the library public wifi (vlans are hard but blocking dhcp from one building to the next is a "solution") the effective standards for digital evidence are poor.

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    6. Re:No by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's not hard if camera video unavailable for any reason it should be no different than civil court if you refuse to produce records you assume they show things in the worst light possible.

      This means by law a fatal shooting without camera footage means the cops is automatically tried and convicted for murder unless other footage is available so show his innocence. Oddly they will start insuring their camera's work.

      Guilty until proven innocent?

      No, ballistic evidence will trivially prove whether the officer's gun fired the shot and usually the officer will have confessed in their report.

      The question is almost never "did the cop kill the victim?" it is instead usually "was the cop allowed to kill them under police authority?"
      It's the difference between determining if the cop is the shooter (presumed not, but proven by confession and evidence) and whether the shooting was a murder (presumed yes, unless proven otherwise).

    7. Re:No by Merk42 · · Score: 1

      " automatically tried and convicted for murder unless..."
      sounds like Guilty until Proven Innocent to me.

      Also, in Civil Court it is still Innocent until Proven Guilty, just that the bar to prove guilty is lower.

  7. Uh.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    yes, "forget to turn on." That really is the problem. Right. Yep. Nothing to see here. Keep moving on. Stop resisting!

  8. Would you wear a body cam? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    There'll be a shortage of cops down the track. No-one will want to do the job with all this and the media demonising them.

    1. Re:Would you wear a body cam? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Maybe stop doing your job in a way that gives the media reasons to demonize it? Somehow other countries manage to do it.

    2. Re:Would you wear a body cam? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      there will never be a shortage of cops unless there is a shortage of angry, disempowered young men who get hard at the idea of forcing people to obey them.

    3. Re:Would you wear a body cam? by silas_moeckel · · Score: 1

      Thats a good thing, it should be very hard to find people willing to risk their life to serve the community. Making it hard to be abusive is a good thing. If we want to reduce crime statistically that's end the drug war not more cops, and yes I find that distasteful but idiots love to alter their body chemistry.

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    4. Re:Would you wear a body cam? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Maybe stop doing your job in a way that gives the media reasons to demonize it? Somehow other countries manage to do it.

      You want the fake news to control what you get to do? What they decide to demonize makes no goddamn sense most of the time.

    5. Re:Would you wear a body cam? by AK+Marc · · Score: 1

      Already not enough want to do it. They are down to the unemployable veterans and psychopaths. The police have spent so much time convincing people it's dangerous, that people don't want to do it, unless something is wrong with them. Wasn't that always the goal?

  9. No context by ratpick · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Depending on scenario, turning on camera(s) when gun is drawn could provide little to no context of actions leading up to shooting rendering video next to worthless in determining whether excessive force was used. Adoption of this tech by police departments would very likely encourage leaving cameras off and many recordings wouldn't provide anything of value.

    1. Re:No context by NormalVisual · · Score: 1, Interesting

      Most police cameras are actually constantly recording, and preserve the X minutes of video recorded prior to being turned on.

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    2. Re:No context by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      Queue the wild wild west music.

    3. Re:No context by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      Depending on scenario, turning on camera(s) when gun is drawn could provide little to no context of actions leading up to shooting rendering video next to worthless in determining whether excessive force was used. Adoption of this tech by police departments would very likely encourage leaving cameras off and many recordings wouldn't provide anything of value.

      What an incredibly fascist suggestion. Instead of leaving them on all the time to make sure they will get context, they will leave them off all the time to make sure they get no context? No, instead what is needed is a gun cam used in addition to a body cam, which cannot be turned off. The privacy issues are best handled cryptographically. It might well be that we need the footage from a cop's time in the bathroom.

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    4. Re:No context by ratpick · · Score: 1

      I made no suggestion(s). Only commented on potential problems with technical solution being proposed. RTFA

  10. They should really be always on. by queazocotal · · Score: 0

    Yes, there may be a privacy button - which switches the camera to recording in a different encryption key that is only available through a process with adequate safeguards. Allowing the cop the opportunity to review the video is in general a terrible idea, if done before they have given a statement.
    Otherwise, their statement will always precisely match the video, with an interpretation of the events that make the cop look good, or a description of what happened off camera view. The person being recorded on the other hand will likely have to give a statement from memory, so his statement will seem to have more clear errors that are obviously not what happened (as all statements do), and be less credible.

    1. Re:They should really be always on. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why not make it always encrypted? There is no reason anyone should be able to look at the footage unless it is needed in a court.
      But that is a bit excessive. It's not like the cops can't just store the video to a memory card and keep it in a safe place until requested.
      They already have a system for collected evidence that random people can't just go in and grab. Storing the relevant video footage with that shouldn't be hard or create any significant extra workload. Video footage disappearing shouldn't be treated differently from any other evidence disappearing.

      There is also no real need to always record everything cops do.
      Sure, it happens that a robber shows up to rob the restaurant where four cops happened to be on break but that is rare and there have not really been a need for video evidence there.
      It would probably be sufficient that the cop starts video recording when responding to a call and ends it when they get back into the vehicle.

    2. Re:They should really be always on. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      *Ends when their shift is over. There is a lot of police brutality after getting back into the vehicle/department.

  11. How about by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The death penalty for not? That'll get them to turn it on, or rather, to not not turn it on.

  12. "heavy costs of cloud video storage" by physicsphairy · · Score: 2

    A 256 GB micro SD card weights 0.4g, is less than 2cm in width, and costs around $40. I have 1080p movies on my computer that are about 1 hr/GB. So I'm quite sure that one of these body cam devices could record a couple weeks of continuous footage and probably much, much more. That's plenty of time for legal action to initiate and the data to be uploaded if there is any debate over what has happened during an arrest. Privacy is not an issue if the data is stored encrypted. You just require that a judge has to sign off on it before the decryption key can be accessed by anyone (including the cop).

    1. Re:"heavy costs of cloud video storage" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Backpack of batteries?

    2. Re:"heavy costs of cloud video storage" by jabuzz · · Score: 2

      I am not sure where you get a microSD card that is really 256GB in size (rather than a fake) for $40. More like $150, but that is just a minor detail.

    3. Re:"heavy costs of cloud video storage" by avandesande · · Score: 1

      Another solution is to have two modes, on/buffering and on/saving. If the camera is on/buffering (what off would be) and a gunshot is detected the entire buffer is saved. Detected a gunshot should be very easy to do....

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    4. Re:"heavy costs of cloud video storage" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Mine real. Buy it from my ebay account & Ignore lack of review. People don't have time to leave review when they are trying to fil such big SD. $39.88 260GB card. All space for you. ENJOY!

  13. Charge with destruction of evidence by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Simple: charge them with destruction of evidence. Also shooting a gun with the cam off should mean the policeman looses his/her job immediately.

  14. Yes by fph+il+quozientatore · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Step 1: remove the off switch. Step 2: there is no step 2.

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    1. Re:Yes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Should definitely include an "off" switch. It should just save the resulting video to a a hidden file system for later IA review.

    2. Re:Yes by cdrudge · · Score: 2

      And when the officer enters a locker room or rest room? Not in the course of their job but in the course of their life? Do they or anyone else in the room not have an expectation of privacy? Or since recordings could/should be subject to FOIA requests, what if a person (victim, perpetrator, bystander, informer, etc) being recorded also has an expectation of privacy or confidentiality? Or if the officer is officially off duty and is just a private citizen prior to starting his day, or has just ended it?

      Not saying that I necessarily disagree with you, but there are circumstances where just not having an off button may not be appropriate.

    3. Re:Yes by silas_moeckel · · Score: 1

      Consider that most states never stop a cop from being a cop there is no off duty. When they no longer have any more powers than any other citizen can they remove the camera.

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    4. Re:Yes by budgenator · · Score: 1

      Consider that most states never stop a cop from being a cop there is no off duty. When they no longer have any more powers than any other citizen can they remove the camera.

      Just what powers do you think a beat Cop has that you don't?

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    5. Re:Yes by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      Just what powers do you think a beat Cop has that you don't?

      The power to detain. A citizen can only detain you by making an arrest, and that not even in all states. A cop can detain you without making an arrest. States which do not have firearms carry laws also permit the police to enjoy constitutional rights which are denied to everyone else. California is notable for this not least because it is the most populous state.

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    6. Re:Yes by Spamalope · · Score: 1

      Anyone not complying with any order the Officer chooses to give, lawful or not, can be charged with obstructing. Recording the incident can be charged under wiretapping laws. In any altercation with the officer, the other party is charged with resisting arrest and often assaulting an officer. The officer can demand any recordings of events under the threat of arrest and then destroy them (and the device they're on) if they're unfavorable.

      That little list of only the really common ones is enough, don't you think? We didn't even have to touch on qualified immunity.

    7. Re:Yes by myowntrueself · · Score: 1

      Consider that most states never stop a cop from being a cop there is no off duty. When they no longer have any more powers than any other citizen can they remove the camera.

      Just what powers do you think a beat Cop has that you don't?

      The power to shoot you dead without being effectively investigated. Especially if you are non-white. Though in states with a 'stand your ground' law this point is moot.

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    8. Re:Yes by Enigma2175 · · Score: 1
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    9. Re:Yes by spiritplumber · · Score: 1

      A couple years ago I saw a roadside fire, probably caused by a cigarette butt. I called 911, and then stopped and proceeded to use my truck's fire extinguisher to start dealing with it (California during the drought, plenty of dry grass so you want to catch those as soon as possible). Cop shows up. Starts questioning me very aggressively about whether I started the fire. I tell the guy that I don't smoke, and also tell him to go get HIS fire extinguisher and help me. He keeps hovering around me and asking me whether I started the fire, instead of helping. Eventually demands that I pay attention to him rather than the fire, and grabs my shoulder when I keep dealing with the fire after telling him that we can just talk like that. That doesn't work because I'm a fairly big critter, so grabbing me by the shoulder only works if I allow it to work. Cop keeps yelling. Eventually a fire truck shows up. The fireman shakes my hand for a job well done and tells me where to go to get a free refill for my extinguisher. When I left the cop was still yelling at one of the firemen while the others got rid of the fire. Very weird experience.

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    10. Re:Yes by silas_moeckel · · Score: 1

      How many examples do you need both legal and practical?

      I would say we would all be better off if they had less powers than the average citizen. They are after all trained and equipped to deal with violent and deadly situations so should be held to a higher standard regarding the use of force that your average person not a lower standard they have now.

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  15. No by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

    Disciplinary action can - along with a rule that if it's not on camera, and there's no corroborating evidence, the cop is assumed to be "confused and/or mistaken".

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  16. Not really by aepervius · · Score: 1

    They do not forget to turn it on, they do "forget" to turn it on. In my experience nobody likes to get watched over and will try anything to escape such surveillance, even if the surveillance is warranted.

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  17. Simple by OpenSourced · · Score: 1

    Movement-activated cameras that upload their video feed directly to mobile networks. If we are talking low-quality video or even stills if the connection is bad, and better quality when the situation improves or the officer gets to the car again, the battery doesn't need to be huge.

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  18. That depends by Opportunist · · Score: 1

    It can. Provided it simply turns the camera on instead of just reminding the cop.

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    1. Re:That depends by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That seems to be the idea from the summary, and not just the cop pulling the gun, it will activate the ones of other nearby cops too.

      Personally I think they should just have them running for the whole shift, even when they go for a toilet break. On the condition that they are only viewed if there is an incident that needs to be reviewed, so if there are no incidents while doing their private business, their privacy remains intact.

  19. Symmetry is the key here by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    In any surveillance situation asymmetry means you loose. Cops will always decide if the evidence is in their favor or not and act accordingly. Would all people have their own cameras that cops do not control, the scene would be leveled.

  20. Police Lie by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The reality is that police lie. Whether or not they are wearing a body camera, whether or not it is turned on, you must always make your own video recording of any and all police interaction with you. Always document police behavior. It's not worth taking the risk that the police will lie about how they behaved.

    1. Re:Police Lie by spiritplumber · · Score: 1

      A problem is that some judges will go full Francis E Dec and say that an officer's word is worth more than video evidence. https://www.techdirt.com/artic...

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  21. Solving the Destruction of Evidence problem. by geekmux · · Score: 3, Insightful

    "cameras can fall off during physical encounters"

    Really? I wonder how often badges fall off during encounters. They're wearing a uniform. Make it a uniform standard to secure it in a field-proven way. Problem solved.

    "They can also malfunction"

    Make it the responsibility of the officer to check their equipment prior to going on duty, as they should do for ALL of their equipment. Any malfunction that impacts a legal case or fails to record a violent act will be thoroughly investigated by Internal Affairs and subject to 3rd party review. Cameras are evidence gathering devices, so any officer that purposely causes a "malfunction" will face charges of destruction of evidence.

    "or videos can be deleted."

    Cameras are the responsibility of the officer. Any reports of deleted data will be subject to investigation. If it is determined that the loss of data was not caused by malfunction, then the officer will face mandatory suspension without pay for 2 weeks. If the data loss interferes with a legal case, then the officer will also be charged with destruction of evidence.

    If you're going to create a standard, then enforce the fucking thing. Otherwise, quit pissing taxpayer money away.

  22. Tape to cover camera by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's to prevent mud from dirtying the camera!
    No, I forgot to remove it before starting my patrol!

  23. Job requirement by Dunbal · · Score: 1

    You don't do it, you're fired. Problem solved.

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    1. Re:Job requirement by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You don't do it, you're fired. Problem solved.

      Unfortunately crooked police are never fired, they are just moved to another department (in another city) and their personnel file (which contains any disciplinary records) just never quite makes the move.

      The solution is obvious, in any case where video evidence is "not available" FOR ANY REASON is automatically found against the police, their version of "the truth" is thrown out, the officer(s) involved gets a 30 day vacation in the county jail WITHOUT PAY. The sentence to double every time they are involved in a "no video incident". If criminal conduct on the part of the officer(s) is suspected, a full investigation is performed by an independent (non-police) party. The only way to gain compliance in this situation is to make it extremely expensive for the police/city to do otherwise.

  24. Taser cams in New Zealand by twosat · · Score: 1

    In New Zealand, police Taser guns are fitted with a camera that starts recording video as soon as the Taser is switched on. Footage of some incidents has led to police being criticised for their excessive and illegal use of Tasers.

    Weapon of choice: Are Tasers being abused? http://www.stuff.co.nz/good-re...

    Police Taser use against man ruled excessive http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/n...

    1. Re:Taser cams in New Zealand by myowntrueself · · Score: 1

      In New Zealand, police Taser guns are fitted with a camera that starts recording video as soon as the Taser is switched on. Footage of some incidents has led to police being criticised for their excessive and illegal use of Tasers.

      Weapon of choice: Are Tasers being abused? http://www.stuff.co.nz/good-re...

      Police Taser use against man ruled excessive http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/n...

      Do you get ACC coverage if the cops tase you?

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  25. "forgetting" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    lol

  26. Forgot the air quotes by sjbe · · Score: 2

    Can Technology Prevent Cops From "Forgetting" To Turn On Their Body Cameras?

    The title is missing some air quotes around "forgetting" because it's very unlikely that they forgot to do it. Only way they will stop "forgetting" is if there are real consequences with real teeth. Like all charges get thrown out, evidence inadmissible, suspension from job without pay, etc. Otherwise you are going to continue to see a rash of camera failures with curiously convenient timing to the benefit of the officer.

  27. Not a tech problem by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Can Technology prevent cops from forgetting to put their pants on?

  28. Easy solution by stealth_finger · · Score: 1

    If a cop "forgets" to turn his camera on and shoots some one then the victim (if surviving) gets to shoot the cop, if they are dead a family member gets to do it. Or just sack them if they don't turn it on but that's never going to happen in the blue boys club.

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    1. Re:Easy solution by Baron_Yam · · Score: 2

      Don't be foolishly reactionary.

      Just imagine you roll up on a scene where there is an armed and dangerous person. How likely are you to be thinking about turning on your camera and ensuring it's working before you're dealing with the problem?

      Or, from another perspective... someone's pointing a gun at you, and you see a cop arrive but he spends 30 seconds or more in his cruiser pushing buttons before he comes to help you.

      Something like a 'GoPro for guns' is probably the best possible solution. A little bullet cam mounted like a scope, that activates when pulled from the holster. There'd still be the issue of keeping it charged and checking that it works, but that could be a start-of-shift check (and there'd be a convenient record of that check, too).

    2. Re:Easy solution by stealth_finger · · Score: 1

      Don't be foolishly reactionary.

      Just imagine you roll up on a scene where there is an armed and dangerous person. How likely are you to be thinking about turning on your camera and ensuring it's working before you're dealing with the problem?

      This is the problem. It shouldn't be 'oh better record this' or 'shit shoulda recorded that' they should have enough memory to be switched on when their shift starts and switched off when it ends. The sd card or whatever gets handed in and filed for a week or so, if anything of note happened or any complaints are made the footage can be looked at whatever steps taken. Basically the way a lot of cctv systems work. Yeah they'll probably still delete or tamper with them after the fact unless they make them get backed up and remotely stored some place but that's getting off the point. They should be always on and record everything the officer does on duty otherwise its a hollow gesture that is only going to be used by the people its not meant to catch.

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    3. Re:Easy solution by Baron_Yam · · Score: 1

      >they should have enough memory to be switched on when their shift starts and switched off when it ends.

      The technology isn't there yet. Cops often work shifts that exceed 12h. Storage? Sure. Transferring it to central storage, cataloguing it all? Exists but is relatively expensive to do right. Lightweight battery to keep a decent camera recording for more than half a day? Not yet.

      And they have the right to go to the bathroom or just take a lunch break without being on camera.

    4. Re:Easy solution by stealth_finger · · Score: 1

      It doesn't need recording in full 4K or anything. There is definitely the storage capacity available and the power, maybe not in an off the shelf solution but it's doable, or possibly use some kind of wireless tether to the car that triggers recording to start when they go out of range, why does it need to be a light weight battery? Why can't it get wired to a more substantial battery carried on their belt or something? Anyway I'm not going to start proposing device designs or specs or anything but if thats what they wanted to do it could be done. Always on or don't bother IMHO. (It wouldn't be hard to hard to put on a lens cover they can use when they go for a piss or a little button that pauses recording for 5 mins or something. Why turn it off during lunch? Do cops get a lunch hour like a regular job? Unless something actually happens then it's not going to be watched anyway and if they are not on duty then they should take their uniform off).

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    5. Re:Easy solution by budgenator · · Score: 1

      A more ideal solution would be to bluetooth the camera to the radio or the units laptop, and only use the camera 's storage for buffering, having the radio transmit the video to a centralized storage as data traffic permits. Turn the camera off it automatically turns back on after 3 minutes and chirps every 15 seconds while off.

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  29. yea by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "forgetting"

    -FTFY

  30. Too complicated by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Just keep it on all the time, except when if the wearer press the stop button for 5 sec, then the recording will stop for 120 sec. If during engagement, all cops shut off their cameras, then someone needs to come up with a really good explanation fast.

  31. Not sure it really matters by Zontar_Thing_From_Ve · · Score: 1

    I realize that this is going to end up getting comments that digress, so sorry in advance.

    I'm an American white person and I don't consider myself a SJW but I'm sympathetic to the concerns of African Americans regarding their dealings with the police. I can understand, as best as is possible given my background, that they are really tired of seeing police shoot and kill unarmed African Americans. The police do this to white people too. They just don't do it in big enough numbers to attract the wrath of White America, but it definitely happens to white people too. I absolutely believe that it happens disproportionately to African Americans. The point that cops kill lots of people without justification is important for my next point.

    After reading about many of these cases, I've come to the conclusion that as long as the cop in question doesn't act like a complete sociopath on the witness stand, all they have to do is say "I was scared for my life". It doesn't have to be true. They just have to say it. And once they say those magic words, 90% of the time they're going to be acquitted by the jury. All the evidence in the world is not going to change the jury. We've seen trials that have proved this. I read what the cop said in the infamous Ferguson, MO trial and his account of events was not credible. I'd put it at maybe 1 in 1000 that what he said really happened. I'm positive he's lying. But the jury completely bought it. There have been other cases too where there is video evidence contradicting the cop's story but once the cop says "I was scared for my life" the jury finds the shooting to be justified. So I'm sure that some of the solutions proposed will work in terms of getting the video cameras on, but we've already seen that juries really don't care what the video shows and all they really care about is if the cop says he/she was scared at the time.

    1. Re:Not sure it really matters by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      On average, twice as many whites are shot by police than blacks.

    2. Re:Not sure it really matters by myowntrueself · · Score: 1

      On average, twice as many whites are shot by police than blacks.

      Thats an interesting statistic especially since there are WAY more than twice as many whites in the USA as there are blacks. 72% vs 12%

      You are saying HALF as many blacks are shot by police than whites. Thats very disproportionate shooting of blacks by police.

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    3. Re:Not sure it really matters by budgenator · · Score: 1

      I read what the cop said in the infamous Ferguson, MO trial and his account of events was not credible. I'd put it at maybe 1 in 1000 that what he said really happened. I'm positive he's lying. But the jury completely bought it.

      After the trial, the Officer's video was released and it showed Brown entering the Police car through the window and wrestling with the Officer.
      It doesn't matter what color your skin is, a police encounter isn't a contest you will be allowed to win; this isn't the movies, it's real life.

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    4. Re:Not sure it really matters by spiritplumber · · Score: 1

      I find that if you win a police encounter, it's really awkward for everyone afterwards. Although a cop screaming about "resisting arrest" while being handcuffed to a lamp post is amusing. I mean, in that case who arrested who?

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    5. Re:Not sure it really matters by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "After the trial, the Officer's video was released and it showed Brown entering the Police car through the window and wrestling with the Officer."

      Link?
      Because I think you are a liar.

    6. Re:Not sure it really matters by budgenator · · Score: 1

      Sorry I did mis-remembered, there was no video of Michael Brown wrestling inside the vehicle, but there was Brown's DNA from both blood on the inside door handle and tissue outside the driver's door, Brown also had the Police Officer's DNA on his left Hand.

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    7. Re:Not sure it really matters by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      OK, got it.
      You are a liar.

      These issues are big enough.
      We don't need assholes like you spreading astroturf F.U.D. all over the place.

      Eat shit.

  32. Leave the cameras running all the time by Applehu+Akbar · · Score: 1

    Have each camera continuously record the latest X hours of activity, like a flight recorder. After an incident occurs, management would retrieve and replace every camera that could have caught the action. This policy would ensure that major events get recorded while automatically editing out all the hours of nothing happening.

  33. The real answer,,, by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    is to have the cameras always recording, but allow the cop to mark areas that should be non-public and why using the computer in the car. Still record them. Then this doesn't come up.

  34. voice stress analyzer by swell · · Score: 1

    It must be decades ago that people were using a voice stress analyzer to detect lies, etc. They weren't perfect, might never be, but should be fairly reliable now. When a policeperson says "Hands up!", such a miniaturized detector would trigger the camera without requiring deliberate action. OTOH when the policeperson gives a happy sigh of comfort and joy while savoring a jelly doughnut or receiving a much needed massage from her partner, the camera would shut off, saving the department some embarrassment.

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  35. There's a very simple technology by Chris+Mattern · · Score: 2

    It's called "not installing an off switch".

    1. Re:There's a very simple technology by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Everything as an off switch known as depriving it of power.

    2. Re:There's a very simple technology by Chris+Mattern · · Score: 1

      But with a built-in battery, you can make it so you can't deprive it of power unless you disassemble it or don't charge it ever. It is not necessary to make it impossible to disable these things; we merely have to make it difficult, and impossible to say, "Oops, it was an accident."

  36. "Forgetting" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    While this "technology" could help in situations where good officers in the heat of the moment forget about the little piece of electronics, those are probably the not all that significant. What is a much bigger issue is the bad officers who don't WANT the devices to record. I believe there was a story not all that long ago about the LAPD that found after a review most of their dashcams/mics had been purposely disabled, those dashcams were there by the way due to a series of high profile abuses years ago. As others are noting the "fix" is simply to have the device always record on a loop and upload the entire shifts footage to a central server (preferably to a one held by a third party such as the Courts/Clerk/DA). The only input the officer should have via a button is a "force save" flag that marks the footage around the button press as something never to delete. Even the "on/off" function should be simply removing/replacing it from/to its charging base. With todays storage technology it should be trivial to store an entire departments footage for weeks, perhaps months. The only really useful thing would be an automated database system which would toss the footage of least priority (officers on lunch, driving in their car, etc) and keep footage of higher priority (public interactions good and bad).

  37. Always on, there is no off by DigiShaman · · Score: 1

    Just pack enough battery and flash memory to record non-stop. Only special events of importance get's indexed so dumping the relevant feed back at the office becomes easier.

    This is a solved solution. You just need to change the paradigm of how you want to go about this.

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  38. Make qualified immunity conditional on body cams by Spamalope · · Score: 1

    Simply make qualified immunity available only with the presence of body cam footage. "forget" or have a records dept. "accident" or wipe the server with a cloth and it's gone.

  39. Military ranks are not militarization... by denzacar · · Score: 1

    Nor are ranks from California.

    It used to be that in the US there were no such things as police sergeants, lieutenants, captains, etc. The quasi-military rank structure came into being IIRC in Los Angeles California(?).

    http://www.ci.richmond.va.us/P...

    1807: The Richmond Police Department officially was established as one of the first formally organized law enforcement agencies in the United States.
    ...
    1861: Virginia seceded from the Union. The president of the newly formed Confederate States of America, Jefferson Davis, established Richmond as the capital of the CSA Officers began wearing badges and were considered members of the militia.
    1863: With the city's population swollen to almost 100,000 by the Civil War, the Richmond Police Department was overwhelmed. As a result, the Department was reorganized with 13 day officers, one of whom was designated the Chief of Police. The night watch was given one captain, three lieutenants and 40 privates.

    https://web.archive.org/web/20...

    As the oldest police department in the country, the Boston Police Department (BPD) has a rich history and a well-established presence in the Boston community. The initiation of a formal department began in 1838, when the General Court passed a bill allowing the city of Boston to appoint police officers. The department was structured after the model developed by Sir Robert Peele for the London Police force.
    ...
    The first police force consisted of 260 officers and a chief. Each division had a captain and two lieutenants; sergeants were not appointed until 1857. In these early days, an officer on duty carried a six-foot pole, painted blue and white to protect himself, and a "police rattle" to call for assistance.

    Ranks were there back in the day when police officers were armed with RATTLES.

    Ranks are NOT militarization. Police all around the world have ranks. Fire brigades have ranks.

    Militarization is when regular police starts employing military weapons, tactics and equipment on daily basis.
    I.e. When police thinks that it actually needs those "5,638 bayonets ($307,769) and 36 swords and scabbards", or when campus police thinks it really needs those M16s there is something terribly wrong both with their internal philosophy AND their purchasing program.

    Could it possibly be that the USA has been staging these huge military operations around the globe since... oh... the Desert Storm?
    And could it be that such huge military operations overseas create an increase in surplus of military equipment - while at the same time draining the budget of money that could be spent on local law enforcement, among other things?
    Could it also be that unloading all those hundreds of millions of dollars of military equipment onto law enforcement agencies is hiding actual holes in the law enforcement budgets?
    And is there a chance that, besides all that surplus military gear, police has also been getting

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  40. Cameras falling off eh? by Neuronwelder · · Score: 1

    Not buying it. Put additional cameras on guns and tasers.

  41. Combine two of Taser's products - problem solved.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If the "supposed" police officer (aka Criminal) forgets to turn on their camera, beep 3 times, if the officer hasn't turned their camera on by the time of the 3rd beep, tase their sorry ass.

    If the camera cannot "see" anything (covered by black tape, paper, donut filling), tase their sorry ass.

    Problem solved.

  42. Completely useless by whitlocktj · · Score: 1

    If a cop is unholstering his weapon, isn't it too late? Isn't one of the largest reasons for the camera to detect what instigated the use of the weapon? This doesn't show moments before if all you're recording is the cop shooting someone.

  43. Step 1 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Step 1: Make cops wear cammera.
    Step 2: Make cammeras turn on when a gun is drawn.
    Step 3: Make device that turns on cammera when gun is in holster.
    Step 4: ???
    Step 5: Profit.

  44. "forgetting" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Lol, love that euphamism.

  45. Why is this even a possibility? by hackel · · Score: 1

    Cops should not have access to disable their cameras during working hours. Either a central server needs to have their work schedules loaded to automatically turn the cameras on, or they should have to "punch in" to turn them on when they start their shifts. This is just a sacrifice of privacy we must *make* them accept, if they want to do this extremely privileged job. We can't keep pretending like it's a normal job and entitled to the same protections as people in other fields.

    The ACLU is right, as usual.

  46. Oh come on... by denzacar · · Score: 1

    You can't compare a piece of tin with a sensitive electronic device.

    Even a fully ruggedized military-grade camera is still susceptible to various forms of damage or malfunction.
    FFS, a drop of paint (or blood, or ketchup, or mud...) can make it completely useless as a video recording device.
    Hell, turn it ever so slightly in a wrong direction and the recording is a useless shot of the sky or of the ground. Expose its sensor to a strong light and it's equally useless.
    Even mounted on the head, so it records from police officer's angle of view, it can be knocked off. Particularly when the "perp" wants to knock it off on purpose.

    Just because you can strap a camera on something doesn't mean it will work in 100% of cases.
    Much more likely, most of them won't work properly.

    A DNAinfo Chicago review of city records revealed the extended warranty on the city's original $12.5 million contract for COBAN dashcams (a contract that guaranteed keeping the in-car video systems in working order) expired in September 2012.

    It's unclear whether the expired warranty contributed to what police called a "high number" of malfunctioning cameras, including many that fail to record audio.

    Public records show Mayor Rahm Emanuel signed a new $1 million deal with COBAN to fix broken in-car systems on Dec. 3, 2014.
    That was more than two years after the warranty expired and about six weeks after Laquan was killed.

    Regardless of the reason why the camera was malfunctioning in the first place.

    In that case, even "holding people accountable" and "hitting some officers and supervisors with formal reprimands and up-to-three-day suspensions" still only increased the number of end-of-shift uploads by 70%.
    Not the quality of video (and sound) or the condition the cameras were in.

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  47. You mean "foegetting" (quote/end quote), Right? by BlytheBowman · · Score: 1

    fix that for ya

  48. You mean "forgetting" (with quote/end quote), Righ by BlytheBowman · · Score: 1

    Fixed that for ya

  49. Sue them by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If the price they pay is high, no police officer will allow themselves to forget.