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Facebook Begins Marking 'Fake News' As 'Disputed' (wdrb.com)

An anonymous reader writes: Facebook is now marking fake news as "disputed," several sites reported today. "According to Facebook's Help Center, news stories that are reported as fake by people on Facebook may be reviewed by independent, third-party fact-checkers," writes WDRB Media. "The fact-checkers will be signatories of the non-partisan Poynter Code of Principles. A story will be marked as disputed if fact-checkers find the story to be fake."

Mashable reports that the feature was rolled out quietly, and didn't gain much attention until it was noticed Friday by a reporter from Gizmodo, who tweeted a screenshot showing Facebook's new "disputed" icon. Further investigation revealed Facebook's help center now includes a page explaining how news gets marked as disputed, and another page informing users how to mark a news story as fake (which points out this feature "isn't available to everyone yet.")

208 comments

  1. Why not mark it what it really is, fake. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    What a poor move by Facebook. So basically all articles from Faux News will not say fake but will say disputed. This does almost nothing for the poor people who don't know Fox is pure conservative slanted fantasy and believe it to be fact. On top of this I see it as more ammunition for the right wingers claiming the left is trying to dispute their claims.

    1. Re:Why not mark it what it really is, fake. by lucm · · Score: 3, Insightful

      What they need is another tag: "biased". Because often news on right or left media outlets are not exactly fake, but they're presented in a way that favors a political view.

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    2. Re:Why not mark it what it really is, fake. by epyT-R · · Score: 5, Funny

      Might as well make that tag automatic for all news posts.

    3. Re:Why not mark it what it really is, fake. by Z00L00K · · Score: 1

      I suspect that the majority of all news would end up being "disputed" as long as there are more than one opinion on it.

      Left is volcano eruptions, earthquakes and weather that may escape the "disputed" label.

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    4. Re: Why not mark it what it really is, fake. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hello, CNN/MSNBC/cbs/abc watcher!

    5. Re:Why not mark it what it really is, fake. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      It should just be under the page header. "Warning. All information presented in any linked articles is subject to extreme bias, and cannot be trusted."

      Otherwise, Facebook's labeling of "disputed" will render Facebook itself legitimately biased.

    6. Re:Why not mark it what it really is, fake. by gnick · · Score: 5, Insightful

      ...Fox is pure conservative slanted fantasy and [people] believe it to be fact.

      Fox may be "conservative slanted" and it's not to my taste - I stick mostly to CNN & BBC - but it is typically factually accurate. O'Reilly having a miscredited guest on talking about Sweden was enough to make headlines and is a rare exception to the rule. Neither CNN nor Fox make a habit out of mis-stating facts and, when they do, they both have reasonable track records of correcting themselves. Both have stellar records compared to our current White House.

      All sources are slanted and there are many places you can seek out and find genuinely bogus stories, but neither CNN nor Fox should be labelled blanketly "fake news."

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    7. Re:Why not mark it what it really is, fake. by Mr+D+from+63 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      If someone marks a news item as disputed which turns out to be true, they should be eliminated from being able to mark items in the future.

    8. Re: Why not mark it what it really is, fake. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Not weather..."

    9. Re:Why not mark it what it really is, fake. by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 1

      Except there's a rather large difference between opinion (e.g. Is allowing large numbers of refugees into the country good or bad) and flat-out falsehood (e.g. The Bowling Green terror attack or the Friday night terror attack in Sweden).

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    10. Re: Why not mark it what it really is, fake. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I dispute your story about an earthquake. It was just a herd of fat-ass Americans driving by on their mobility scooters.

    11. Re:Why not mark it what it really is, fake. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think it's becoming abundantly clear that stating "Facts" or "Falsehoods" isn't the real problem with our media coverage and distribution. The problem is the biased misrepresentation / distortion of those facts, or the selective removal of facts in the story, to create false narratives. Jon Stewart was known for calling out this very thing. (On a side note, is it just circumstance that fake news became a thing only *after* Jon Stewart left The Daily Show?)

      Yes, this happens on both sides, but as someone that likes to not only keep up on, but dig into the news, Fox seems to go above and beyond the call of duty in this regard.

      When you have someone like Bill O'Reilly, or any other Fox News personality, who will state a statistic, then proceed to give a completely wrong interpretation of the meaning of that statistic to their viewers based on their own biased views/opinions, then we have misinformation being cast onto a massive population.

      For instance, remember the statistic of 47% of the population not paying taxes. Now, you could tell the complete truth and make it clear that this is only federal incomes taxes, which often applies to senior citizens, the disabled, single family or impoverished households. Instead, these people were called the "Takers". An evil bunch of characters who strive to take advantage of our system. Little did Fox viewership know that much of the Fox viewership would have qualified as being these "takers". Instead, right wing news portray the poor / takers as welfare cheating inner city folk.

      Sadly it's gotten worse with companies like Breitbart and Infowars. (now being taken seriously by our sitting president!)

    12. Re:Why not mark it what it really is, fake. by RedWizzard · · Score: 1

      The actual news part of Fox News is usually factual. The pundits often lie, and Bill O'Reilly is far from the worse offender.

    13. Re:Why not mark it what it really is, fake. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'd like to know why this was down modded...

    14. Re:Why not mark it what it really is, fake. by Chris+Mattern · · Score: 3, Interesting

      So basically all articles from Faux News will not say fake but will say disputed.

      Nope. I predict that the marking will be very quickly subverted and *all* articles will be marked disputed, regardless of source.

    15. Re:Why not mark it what it really is, fake. by Chris+Mattern · · Score: 4, Insightful

      And who gets to determine that a news item has "turned out to be true"?

    16. Re: Why not mark it what it really is, fake. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      PolitiFact disagrees with you:

      True17 (10%)(17)
      Mostly True20 (12%)(20)
      Half True31 (19%)(31)
      Mostly False35 (21%)(35)
      False49 (29%)(49)
      Pants on Fire15 (9%)(15)

    17. Re:Why not mark it what it really is, fake. by quantaman · · Score: 1

      What a poor move by Facebook. So basically all articles from Faux News will not say fake but will say disputed. This does almost nothing for the poor people who don't know Fox is pure conservative slanted fantasy and believe it to be fact. On top of this I see it as more ammunition for the right wingers claiming the left is trying to dispute their claims.

      Fox News is not fake news.

      They have a history of pushing biased narratives, often biased to the point of misleading the reader, but that doesn't make them "fake news", it just makes them a bad primary source of information.

      Fake news is simpler than that, it's news that is simply made up, it talks about events that didn't occur, uses quotes that people didn't make, and it doesn't publish corrections because it was never trying to be correct in the first place.

      There's a reason Trump has spent the last few weeks using "fake news" as his favourite new phrase, he's trying to move the goalposts from a simple question of obvious fabrications to a question of bias and mistaken conclusions. Gauging the reliability of a news source is a legitimate and challenging problem, but it's not the problem of fake news.

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    18. Re: Why not mark it what it really is, fake. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Then you learn the felonies are tearing the tag off a pillow, using a false ID to work at a job and doodling a mustache on George Washington.

      Seriously, it's the Trump administration responsible for fabrications about who they are persecuting at much as anything else.

    19. Re: Why not mark it what it really is, fake. by aussie_a · · Score: 0

      It's only a troubling pattern because you want it to be. Under Obama we saw an escalation of tensions between the US and Russia which could have likely rested in war between these two world leaders. We see Trump and his people reached out to Russia and have a good chance of averting war between these nations. Yet now the Trump administration are being undermined by the left every chance they get by the Democrats who are butt hurt over losing control of government under Obama and losing the election to Trump. They would rather see WW3 then let Trump and the Republicans improve America in a positive manner simply because they underestimated the determination of the "deplorables" and the apathy of the liberal left.

    20. Re: Why not mark it what it really is, fake. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, those are some numbers. Can you back them up with even a single example of a fake story being promoted?

    21. Re: Why not mark it what it really is, fake. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      uh huh.. like the media didn't ever misrepresent hillary..

    22. Re:Why not mark it what it really is, fake. by slashrio · · Score: 1

      I'm quite happy with their 'independent' reviews, because those will mark for me the messages that are worth reading and must be credible, because they don't want 'the truth' to be published...

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    23. Re:Why not mark it what it really is, fake. by slashrio · · Score: 0

      I'd rather take the anti-war infowars.com seriously than the war mongering CNN/BBC/et al.

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    24. Re: Why not mark it what it really is, fake. by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Under Obama we saw an escalation of tensions between the US and Russia

      Funny, I thought we saw it under Putin.

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    25. Re:Why not mark it what it really is, fake. by guises · · Score: 1

      Independent, third-party fact-checkers who are signatories of the non-partisan Poynter Code of Principles. You could at least read the summary.

    26. Re:Why not mark it what it really is, fake. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Except there's a rather large difference between opinion (e.g. Is allowing large numbers of refugees into the country good or bad) and flat-out falsehood (e.g. The Bowling Green terror attack or the Friday night terror attack in Sweden).

      Or the claim 'Trump talks about non-existent terror attack in Sweden'.

      That's totally fake as well, but I suppose it's easy for CNN and WaPo to get round that by using the word 'implied' and 'seemed to', they can always rely on their readership to not examine the facts or what was actually said but instead just rely on someone else's interpretation of them.

    27. Re: Why not mark it what it really is, fake. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Can you point to any BBC article advocating war? That's right, you can't.

    28. Re:Why not mark it what it really is, fake. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Fox ... is typically factually accurate. O'Reilly having a miscredited guest on talking about Sweden was enough to make headlines and is a rare exception to the rule. Neither CNN nor Fox make a habit out of mis-stating facts and, when they do, they both have reasonable track records of correcting themselves."

      Simply, WOW! Keep drinkin' the kool-aid, bud!

    29. Re:Why not mark it what it really is, fake. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Except that Alex Jones is a Zionist shill. The "Dancing Arabs" on 9/11? They were dancing Israelis. Five Israeli Mossad operatives filmed, cheered and danced while the twin towers collapsed and thousands of innocent people were murdered. They were not Arabs or Muslims. They were Israelis. From Israel.

    30. Re: Why not mark it what it really is, fake. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      He was asking who chacks the fact checkers. Surely if true objectivity is the goal, there should be a robust model for ensuring that the fact checkers are actually getting it correct.

    31. Re:Why not mark it what it really is, fake. by AmiMoJo · · Score: 3, Interesting

      The problem with Fox is that it isn't news, it's opinion. The reporting of factual information is just a small, unimportant aspect of their programming. They are about producing a narrative. For example, they won't just report that Chelsea Manning said something, they will mention it in passing and then spend half an hour talking about what an "ungrateful traitor" she is. The news bit is just a jumping off point for the rant, the rant being the main content.

      And then half an hour later the President tweets the same thing. That's what they are about, feeding people the narrative.

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    32. Re:Why not mark it what it really is, fake. by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      The bar isn't "is it true?", the bar is "is it widely debunked?" So it's actually fairly easy to judge. Lots of respected media outlets debunked pizzagate, for example.

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    33. Re:Why not mark it what it really is, fake. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Independent, third-party fact-checkers who are signatories of the non-partisan Poynter Code of Principles. You could at least read the summary.

      And Snopes signed that - so your "non-partisan Poynter Code of Principles" is fucking worthless.

      Because Snopes is strongly biased.

      Notice how every time Snopes is wrong - and it's quite fucking often - it's in a direction that is biased left.

    34. Re: Why not mark it what it really is, fake. by guises · · Score: 1

      Other fact checkers, of course. They did say that there would be more than one. Why are you asking this question? How many layers would it take to satisfy you?

    35. Re:Why not mark it what it really is, fake. by guises · · Score: 1

      What I'm noticing is that you linked to a google search which returns only results from very dubious sources. The first link is to redstate.com, then dailycaller, then a Facebook link which is referencing worldtruth.tv, then yiannopoulos.net... These are exactly the sort of sites which Facebook is trying to catch here. The fact that they don't like snopes is not a mark against it.

      Even Fox News is credible compared to that crap. You got anything from Fox News? Not that that would necessarily be convincing, but that should be your starting point when it comes to right-wing propaganda - if it's too ridiculous for even Fox News then you know you've really fallen down the rabbit hole.

    36. Re: Why not mark it what it really is, fake. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      OK, here's the story, Trump is so bad at speaking, he randomly babbled an incorrect expression and had to inform us he was talking about some TV show.

      Now maybe that is just an occasional thing, nobody is perfect, but maybe it is a consistent pattern.

    37. Re:Why not mark it what it really is, fake. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What I'm noticing is that you linked to a google search which returns only results from very dubious sources. The first link is to redstate.com, then dailycaller, then a Facebook link which is referencing worldtruth.tv, then yiannopoulos.net... These are exactly the sort of sites which Facebook is trying to catch here. The fact that they don't like snopes is not a mark against it.

      Even Fox News is credible compared to that crap. You got anything from Fox News? Not that that would necessarily be convincing, but that should be your starting point when it comes to right-wing propaganda - if it's too ridiculous for even Fox News then you know you've really fallen down the rabbit hole.

      Nice ad hominem bullshit response.

      Why don't you address the particulars of the claims?

      Like this one?!?!

      This is what Snopes says:

      Claim: Hillary Clinton successfully defended an accused child rapist and later laughed about the case.
              MOSTLY FALSE

              WHAT’S TRUE: In 1975, young lawyer Hillary Rodham was appointed to represent a defendant charged with raping a 12-year-old girl. Clinton reluctantly took on the case, which ended with a plea bargain for the defendant.

              WHAT’S FALSE: Hillary Clinton did not volunteer to be the defendant’s lawyer, she did not laugh about the the case’s outcome, she did not assert that the complainant “made up the rape story,” she did not claim she knew the defendant to be guilty, and she did not “free” the defendant.

      Notice how Snopes moved the goalposts there in order to say the claim was "mostly false", despite every portion of the claim being 100% factually true:

      Notice that the TRUE and FALSE sections don’t match the claim. That’s because Snopes is playing the logical fallacy game of moving the goalposts and using straw men. The claim, as stated by Snopes, is 100% true.

      Clinton did successfully defend her client; very successfully, in fact. Getting a beneficial plea bargain that is the best outcome a client can hope for is a successful defense. LaCapria is displaying her ignorance. Acquittal isn’t the only successful defense outcome.

      Clinton also laughed about the case. ...

      Again - Snopes is biased bullshit.

    38. Re:Why not mark it what it really is, fake. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Me too. I thought it contributed at least as much as my comment.

      -gnick

    39. Re:Why not mark it what it really is, fake. by eric_harris_76 · · Score: 1

      Might as well make that tag automatic for all news posts.

      It should just be under the page header. "Warning. All information presented in any linked articles is subject to extreme bias, and cannot be trusted."

      Otherwise, Facebook's labeling of "disputed" will render Facebook itself legitimately biased.

      Ding! Ding! Ding! Ding!

      We have a winner.

      Except for baseball box scores and other reporting whose content and existence and terminology is predefined in advance, there is always a potential problem with bias, manifested in adjective selection, noun selection, story selection, details selection.

      Who would tolerate, say, murder reporting which always followed a predefined published template? Those stories would be tedious as hell.

      Per the media outlet's published standard template, the story would always/never mention certain details about the deceased, unless there was a reason to vary from this, in which case it would always mention why the exception. It would always/never mention certain details about the suspect or suspects, unless there was a reason to vary from this, in which case it would always mention why the exception. And so on, for the cause of death, location where the body was found, location where the murder was apparently committed, etc.

      And it would report all murders, and per the template, whether they happen near people with surnames that match local corporation names or in housing projects or working-class neighborhoods.

      Nothing to keep the news outlet from publishing/broadcasting non-template stories, which would need to be clearly labeled.

      Neither the news outlet nor the news consumer would stand for it, of course.

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    40. Re:Why not mark it what it really is, fake. by cthulhu11 · · Score: 1

      Liability. "Disputed" is an observation. "Fake" is a value judgement and far more ripe for litigation, no matter that it would mostly be accurate.

    41. Re:Why not mark it what it really is, fake. by Maritz · · Score: 1

      Yeah mate. Sweden had a terrible terrorist attack. Obama is bugging Trump's phone. Cheers.

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    42. Re:Why not mark it what it really is, fake. by Maritz · · Score: 1

      Notice how every time Snopes is wrong - and it's quite fucking often - it's in a direction that is biased left.

      Snopes have credibility. You don't have credibility.

      I don't think that anything that you 'notice' counts as relevant to the rest of us. You notice what you want to notice.

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    43. Re:Why not mark it what it really is, fake. by Maritz · · Score: 1

      Again, Snopes have credibility, and you don't. So, do us a favour. Fuck off.

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    44. Re: Why not mark it what it really is, fake. by Maritz · · Score: 1

      Yet now the Trump administration are being undermined by the left every chance they get by the Democrats who are butt hurt over losing control of government under Obama and losing the election to Trump. They would rather see WW3 then let Trump and the Republicans improve America in a positive manner simply because they underestimated the determination of the "deplorables" and the apathy of the liberal left.

      lol. You have to be a straight up idiot to think that. I guess you get a free pass if you're 12 or something.

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    45. Re:Why not mark it what it really is, fake. by Maritz · · Score: 1

      Give us a few links to some BBC/CNN war mongering please. It'll only take you a second because there's so much of it.

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    46. Re:Why not mark it what it really is, fake. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Again, Snopes have credibility, and you don't. So, do us a favour. Fuck off.

      Awww, didems poor widdle progtard just have his favorite source of "fake facts" proven wrong?

      And is poor widdle progtard unable to actually think and follow a logical debunking of Snopes?

      And is poor widdle progtard unable to cope with not being as smart as he FEELS he is?

      Because if you think Snopes has any credibility, you're a fucking moron - Snopes is DEMONSTRABLY biased, and I just SHOWED IT TO YOU.

      Do the world a favor - DO NOT REPRODUCE.

      Better yet - next time you go to a sporting event for your favorite crappy sports team, instead of putting a paper bag over your head, use a plastic bag.

    47. Re:Why not mark it what it really is, fake. by eric_harris_76 · · Score: 1

      Some "fake news" is more obvious than other "fake news". That stuff, for instance.

      And some of what is called "fake news" is rather on the mark, but just inconvenient to the psyches or power of some people.

      And some "fake news" is not recognized as "fake news" at all.

      FB tagging using anything other that extremely objective criteria would be unfortunate. FB tagging using undisclosed criteria would be unfortunate, too.

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    48. Re:Why not mark it what it really is, fake. by slashrio · · Score: 1

      I'll have to check that out. I know about the Israeli's being there 'to document the event', as they themselves stated on an Israeli television show, but I didn't know Alex was portraying them as just Arabs.

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    49. Re: Why not mark it what it really is, fake. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Can't wait until 2020 when we can round-up and exterminate the deplorables.

    50. Re:Why not mark it what it really is, fake. by beastofburdon · · Score: 0

      The Catholic church thoroughly debunked the claims of the world being a sphere and not the center of the universe. Fools always look to authority to tell them what to think.

  2. Oh, well, as long as they SIGNED something. by ScentCone · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The fact-checkers will be signatories of the non-partisan Poynter Code of Principles.

    The very people that I see on social media passing around some of the most egregiously toxic meme "explainers" and the like also won't go a week without citing posts on Poynter about how important it is to show integrity in reporting. Being "a signatory" to something doesn't mean squat. Hillary Clinton, for example, signed all sorts of things recording her promises not to do the very things she then went right and did as secretary of state. People who illegally register to vote do so by signing a document that, among other things, asserts that they're not doing so illegally. A Facebook news moderator sitting in Menlo Park deciding whether or not some HuffPo piece should or shouldn't be considered "disputed" ... should be considered informed and neutral because they signed the thing that they were told they had to sign in order to get that gig?

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    1. Re:Oh, well, as long as they SIGNED something. by lucm · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Yes. Those who sign that should be considered informed and neutral in the context of Facebook employees, given a spectrum that starts with "anti-Trump" and ends with "supporters of violent anti-Trump demonstrations and opposed to democracy if it means Trump can get elected".

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    2. Re:Oh, well, as long as they SIGNED something. by AmiMoJo · · Score: 3, Insightful

      It's the lesser of two evils. There are too many gullible idiots out there. Look at how many people on Slashdot fell for pizzagate.

      You either have a small number of errors marking stuff as fake, or you have a tidal wave of fake news. And I'm sure if it does get abused, we will see hundreds of articles pointing it out.

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    3. Re:Oh, well, as long as they SIGNED something. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There are too many gullible idiots out there. Look at how many people on Slashdot fell for pizzagate.

      That ties in with the GP's point about people on the anti-Trump spectrum who have gone so far as to question democracy itself.

      I think I'm about 99% there, myself. Morons and nuclear weapons don't mix, so I'm thinking it's time to disempower the morons, one way or another.

    4. Re:Oh, well, as long as they SIGNED something. by sysrammer · · Score: 0

      "Being "a signatory" to something doesn't mean squat. "

      John Hancock would like a word with you.

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    5. Re:Oh, well, as long as they SIGNED something. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They signed a magic paper passed down from god Facebook, if they are just slightly* biased, they will be smitten to dust**

      * Open to discussion
      ** Banned from social media

    6. Re:Oh, well, as long as they SIGNED something. by sysrammer · · Score: 1

      "Morons and nuclear weapons don't mix, so I'm thinking it's time to disempower the morons, one way or another."

      Several of those "morons" in the past (you know, the regular people...everyone except you and the people in power) took steps that averted use of nuclear weapons.

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    7. Re:Oh, well, as long as they SIGNED something. by Kjella · · Score: 3, Interesting

      It's the lesser of two evils. There are too many gullible idiots out there. Look at how many people on Slashdot fell for pizzagate.

      The question is, does a disputed tag actually meaningfully help? I mean pretty much everyone knows that pizzagate is "disputed", that is some claim it happened and some claim it never did. The "truthers" of all colors will never care that the mainstream refute their story, it's the conspiracy/establishment/illuminati trying to censor the truth. Unless you have the balls to label it as "fake" this is pretty much meaningless.

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    8. Re:Oh, well, as long as they SIGNED something. by ScentCone · · Score: 4, Insightful

      "Being "a signatory" to something doesn't mean squat. "

      John Hancock would like a word with you.

      John Hancock was then willing to take up arms and put his life on the line to back up the liberty proclaimed in the document he risked everything by signing. Do you REALLY think you're making some sort of valid point by comparing that to a Facebook employee sitting in a cubicle clicking "disputed" when something runs against the narratives they're paid to favor?

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    9. Re:Oh, well, as long as they SIGNED something. by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      We can only hope the contrast with non-disputed stories is enough to have an effect.

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    10. Re:Oh, well, as long as they SIGNED something. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Really? Like who?

    11. Re:Oh, well, as long as they SIGNED something. by phantomfive · · Score: 1

      I can easily see the tag "Disputed by Politifact" becoming a source of pride for certain posters. Politifact is already maligned by many people (fairly or not, I don't know), and it would fit easily into people's biases, eg: "if Politifact doesn't like it, then it must be true."

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    12. Re:Oh, well, as long as they SIGNED something. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Look at how many people on Slashdot fell for pizzagate.

      Almost as many as think Russia hacked the election!

    13. Re: Oh, well, as long as they SIGNED something. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Says the courageous internet posted who might get downmodded and lose precious imaginary points.

    14. Re:Oh, well, as long as they SIGNED something. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      You are elitist. You believe you are part of that elite. I doubt you are.

    15. Re:Oh, well, as long as they SIGNED something. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Look at how many people on Slashdot fell for pizzagate."

      Seriously? Pizzagate, sadly is quite real. The Franklin Cover-Up is real. Mark Dutroux and Jimmy Savile - real elite pedos. Jerry Sandusky. The Cornwall Clan in Canada. The McMartin Preschool abuse. Jeffrey Epstien and Lolita Island are real... on and on and on...

      Please pull your head out of your ass before making such ignorant statements. And do some research, for fuck sake.

    16. Re: Oh, well, as long as they SIGNED something. by ScentCone · · Score: 1

      You know how you can tell you've made a good point? When the juvenile anonymous coward goes for the lazy ad hominem instead of even trying to address the point. So, your concern is that John Hancock and the other signers were NOT putting their property, liberty, and their actual lives on the line when they declared independence? If you think that, then you are ignorant of reality, and shouldn't express opinions on the matter or, more importantly, do dangerous things like voting. Or are you saying that a person working for Facebook who, deciding which posts deserve the distinction, clicks the "disputed" box on a web form IS somehow taking the same risks and responsibility as someone literally taking up arms against an empire's army?

      I know, all you understand is snark. So don't trouble yourself with the chore of actually thinking it through and attempting to assemble a coherent thought on the matter. Maybe you can find a meme JPG from OccupyDemocrats that will resonate with you, and you can bravely link to that, instead.

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    17. Re: Oh, well, as long as they SIGNED something. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You know how to show you've lost your way? When you start stroking your ego over Internet posts.

      Your reaction has demonstrated your foolish pettiness quite effectively.

    18. Re: Oh, well, as long as they SIGNED something. by ScentCone · · Score: 1

      Hey, look! You still can't address the substance of the matter, and are simply proving my point about your intellectual cowardice. Excellent work! Keep going, please.

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    19. Re:Oh, well, as long as they SIGNED something. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There are too many gullible idiots out there. Look at how many people on Slashdot fell for pizzagate.

      Don't forget some still believe the official story of 911. Namely skyscrapers falling from office fires and doing it free fall speeds straight down. Physics don't lie.

    20. Re: Oh, well, as long as they SIGNED something. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Still demonstrating the lack of value to your posts?

      At least a scrap of paper can wipe an arse.

    21. Re:Oh, well, as long as they SIGNED something. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Or you know, they don't believe that, and the only thing that has happened is.. surprise.. a meaningless "you're elitist!" kneejerk from a random internet douche.

    22. Re: Oh, well, as long as they SIGNED something. by ScentCone · · Score: 1

      Hey, look! Still not one word even remotely related to the subject. Thank, so much, for making your own inability to grasp and comment upon the absurdity of comparing the signing of the Declaration with checking boxes on an internal Facebook process to label an OccupyDemocrats meme as "disputed." Your craven avoidance of the matter is really quite funny. More, please!

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    23. Re:Oh, well, as long as they SIGNED something. by Maritz · · Score: 1

      And do some research, for fuck sake.

      lol. It thinks it's a "researcher".

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    24. Re:Oh, well, as long as they SIGNED something. by Maritz · · Score: 1

      Planes were flown into the buildings. Did you notice? I used to be a truther but I never came out with anything that fucking dumb.

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    25. Re: Oh, well, as long as they SIGNED something. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oh my, look at your own vaunted bravery. Oh wait, you are just randomly fuming on the Internet, showing exactly how little courage you actually possess.

      Gosh, that makes you a champ, doesn't it? Should we send you your participation award? It says YOUR SPECIAL! in big bold letters.

  3. Everything is disputed by Doctor+Morbius · · Score: 3, Insightful

    There are nuts everywhere that dispute evolution, heliocentrism, The Big bang theory, you name it. What a stupid classification. FB is just trying to have it both ways and not piss off the nut jobs.

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    1. Re:Everything is disputed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There are nuts everywhere that dispute goo safety, vaccines safety, nuclear power safety, you name it.

      Don't forget the nut jobs on the left.

    2. Re:Everything is disputed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I was with you until you mentioned the big bang THEORY. Sorry mate, but it is just a POP theory and there are many others that aren't as religiously fanatical about sprouting itself as gospel. There are too many holes in TBBT for it to be feasible, in my mind. The REAL facts about TBBT

    3. Re:Everything is disputed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      >> Big bang theory
      is actually disputed by a large percentage of physicists.

    4. Re:Everything is disputed by Maritz · · Score: 1

      You don't even know what the word 'theory' means, so forgive me (you're Christian, right?) if I ignore your rantings and quickly assume that your link is a big pile of shite. Thanks.

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    5. Re:Everything is disputed by Maritz · · Score: 1

      Nope.

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  4. what if title opposite of story? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    There's lots of content with the opposite title of the story, what happens?
    The title is false, the story is true. Skimming titles would indicate that the article is true because not disputed, social engineering win, clickbait win. The only answer is to edit titles to reflect story, but that would be unethical and a slippery slope toward rewriting the news.

    1. Re:what if title opposite of story? by Imrik · · Score: 1

      Mark it disputed for disagreeing with itself.

  5. Why not mark your business as fake by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I dispute that your business model can be sustained or is even relevant. Your shareholders need to know.

  6. This won't go over well. by DatbeDank · · Score: 1

    I find it odd that Facebook is giving people the ability to vote on the trust worthiness of the news. This will give the public a way to basically rate the mainstream media on a per article basis and as we all know most people don't trust the media. This is going to terribly blow back on all of their faces and make the MSM look even worse.

    What a time to be alive!

    1. Re:This won't go over well. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's worse than that! People will vote here or there to what fits there narrative.

  7. Only disputed when confirmed false? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2

    Anyone else seeing shades of deliberate misinformation here? This is like "teaching the controversy" all over. The side that's blatantly lying just has "an opinion equally worth our time", is that it? Anytime El-Presidente Drumpf lies through his teeth, it's merely "some people may dispute this story"?

    *FACTS*. AREN'T. OPINIONS.

    This is physically revolting. If they're going to pull this crap, Facebook has no legitimate excuse for its continued existence. Burn their HQ to the ground; nothing of value will be lost.

    1. Re:Only disputed when confirmed false? by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      Welcome to the post-factual era. It's gonna be awesome!

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?...

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    2. Re:Only disputed when confirmed false? by Notabadguy · · Score: 0

      Welcome to the post-factual era. It's gonna be awesome!

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?...

      Both Democrats and Republicans selectively use facts to support their views. Both sides are fuckwits.

    3. Re:Only disputed when confirmed false? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There's a difference between "selective facts" and "made-up bullshit" which matters a lot.

    4. Re: Only disputed when confirmed false? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you believe taht, you have already lost. "Fake News" is a red herring to distract you from the more skillful lies They tell you. Black and White thinking. If it's not "fake" then it must be substantially true.

    5. Re: Only disputed when confirmed false? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Indeed, there are many people who claim "Fake News" as a cover for their own lies, but that doesn't mean that the distinction between "This is what I believe" even if weighed selectively and "This is totally made-up shit that has no basis in reality" has no validity.

      I mean really, you tell me your in-laws are ass-holes, you can be somewhere in the ballpark of the truth. Tell me they're from Aldebaran?

      Different story.

    6. Re:Only disputed when confirmed false? by Hognoxious · · Score: 1, Informative

      Newt: The moon is made of cheese.
      Woman: My ass it is.
      Newt: But people believe it's made of cheese.
      Woman: Astronauts have been there, it's all rock & dust.
      Newt: Well you liberals can rely on statistics, which are theoretically right, but I'm with the humans on this.

      That is *not* selective use of facts. It would need at least one fact to qualify as that.
       

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    7. Re: Only disputed when confirmed false? by JWW · · Score: 1

      They should have just labeled this whole effort the "Ministry of News Accuracy" or to hit this fucking nail exactly on the head, the "Ministry of Truth".

    8. Re:Only disputed when confirmed false? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "She turned me into a newt"

    9. Re: Only disputed when confirmed false? by Kobun · · Score: 1

      Is there really a problem with News people telling you that their In-Laws are from Albebaran? Other than the Pizzagate story and the constant stream of lies from the Lunatic-in-Chief, what blatant whole-cloth falsehoods have been put out there?

      Shit like this seems a lot more pervasive to me (and if it's caught the retraction ends up on page 13 in the personals) - http://www.nationalreview.com/...

    10. Re: Only disputed when confirmed false? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Is there really a problem with News people telling you that their In-Laws are from Albebaran? Other than the Pizzagate story and the constant stream of lies from the Lunatic-in-Chief, what blatant whole-cloth falsehoods have been put out there?

      For me, personally? No, not so much, as I don't consider them to be "News People" when they concoct such fabrications. Sadly, however, there are plenty of sites and people who believe those sites. As for examples, let's see, the D,&D satanic stories from the 1980s is one, as is the Birther craze, the Clinton death list, the 9/11 truthers, even cookie recipes. I could go on, if you wanted, but I think it should be obvious, there are a plentitude of such made up stories.

      Shit like this seems a lot more pervasive to me (and if it's caught the retraction ends up on page 13 in the personals) - http://www.nationalreview.com/...

      Ah, the George Zimmerman case. You know, it was all his fault. If he had not gotten out of his car, he would have had no infamy from it, and no stain of homicide on his soul. He did, and he killed. He will pay the price for his actions. But the police did him no favors with their desultory handling of the incident. They should have held him pending identification and not let it look like they were helping cover it up. And the prosecution was nearly as incompetent as the one in the Casey Antony case. Oh wait, I think it was the same person. And they resented the job.

      Only massive public outcry forced even the pretense of proper action.

      Or the nearby theater shooting. Can you believe they just had a "stand your ground" hearing, almost three years later? This demonstrates how justice delayed is justice denied. And unlike with Zimmerman there are dozens of witnesses. Zimmerman could skate on the lack of a contradictory witness, but this guy shouldn't. Better to make a plea for senility and a medical hold. That would be acceptable. Not this farce of theater.

      The stupid Florida legislature really fucked up. They didn't save people who commit justifiable homicides any trouble, they inflicted a great stain on their justice system.

      And the reason I'm giving this is to show a presentation of opinion, versus some made up story I could tell. I wouldn't even try to construct an imaginary one though, that is just too unpleasant.

      You may disagree with me, but I'm not making up bullshit. Some people did, on both sides of that case, but that is another problem.

    11. Re: Only disputed when confirmed false? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      9/11 truthers have been vindicated. Bandar Bush did 9/11.

    12. Re: Only disputed when confirmed false? by aussie_a · · Score: 1

      "people believe it's made of cheese" is a fact. A stupid fact, but a fact nonetheless.

    13. Re:Only disputed when confirmed false? by dgatwood · · Score: 1

      Newt: The moon is made of cheese.
      Woman: My a** it is.

      Maybe I've been on the Internet too long, but I fully expected that to go off the rails in the third line, e.g.

      Newt: Your a** is made of cheese? So I guess you're telling me I can bite your a**.

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    14. Re:Only disputed when confirmed false? by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      This one doesn't get better. Quite the opposite.

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  8. Obligatory by Dr+Fro · · Score: 1

    Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?

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    1. Re:Obligatory by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The rich silicone valley elites watch the watchmen, and their political masters in turn watch them.

  9. Disputed? by ThatsNotPudding · · Score: 2

    Total race-baiting, dog-whistle propaganda is labeled 'Disputed'?

    Cowardly.

  10. A fair system by Kohath · · Score: 3, Insightful

    All it would take for a fair system is for Facebook to let news viewers vote Real/Misleading/Unknown and show the percentages underneath like "30% real/60% misleading/10% unknown". You see a large percentage of Misleading, you can double check the story.

    Why would Facebook choose to hire a group of "fact checkers" instead? Unless they wanted "fact checking" to be biased is a particular way...

    1. Re:A fair system by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      That just leads to the problem of poll-flooding.

    2. Re:A fair system by Kohath · · Score: 1

      I don't understand how that's an important "problem". So what if some people say a story is misleading when it's actually not? You check another source and verify the story is real.

    3. Re:A fair system by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't understand how that's an important "problem".

      And why am I supposed to be concerned about your lack of understanding?

    4. Re:A fair system by Kohath · · Score: 1

      Often people write or say things with the intention to be understood.

    5. Re:A fair system by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't understand how that's an important "problem".

      Again, why am I supposed to be concerned with your lack of understanding?

  11. claiming partisan bias is now sports by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Many of the social media warriors on the left and virtually all of the social media warriors on the right just shout "FAKE NEWS" at anything that doesn't fit their narrative. On the left "just ignore it" is more prevalent, whereas the right jest quotes "disputed by vincefostermurdered.com" and then views actually do differ on the shape of the earth. I think this is just the jerking off and fighting behind the gym after school phase phase of this new global social media landscape and eventually a level of "just the facts" will arise. It's was educational to have legit fact based conversations about how compromised Hillary Clinton was (she was in my somewhat researched opinion) and have the same discussion veer off the rails when Trump or Bernie was questioned. How Clinton supporters internalized that Bernie was a racist, sexist pig and Hillary was just the victim of centuries of sexism, or Bernie's supporters internalized that ... ah hell and then throw in previously reasonable Republicans who found Trump's disgusting showcase of the widow as applause bait "a sign from God".

    It's a wanker infested ocean of tantrums, hissy fits and posing tough guys threatening troll tattooed college girls who are out to "destroy gender" (via Facebook natch) with taking their country back from the thugs and snowflakes with the guns they've either stuffed into their beer bellies or caress lovingly after 6 straight hours of porn. Or both.

  12. Slashdot by ruir · · Score: 0

    Will always be marked as disputed then

    1. Re: Slashdot by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It is. Ninety percent of people here are fucking paranoid as fuck.

  13. Show me the metrics by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Would be nice to see a breakdown of the top flagged articles.

  14. Re:snopes? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Snopes has a massive and blatant liberal bias. It's hard to take any of this seriously when snopes is on the list of fact checkers.

  15. Re:snopes? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The couple that runs Snopes admitted their bias. It's generally a great site and I often reference it, but their bias is clear pretty often.

  16. President Trump calls CNN "the VERY FAKE news" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Arseholetechnica = CNN owned & Pres. Trump PWNED (Thank you President Trump) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uDFl_EdqwWI/

    See my subject: TRUER WORDS WERE NEVER SPOKEN

    APK

    P.S.=> Arsholetechnica - You gonna try downmod HIDE this again https://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=10323647&cid=53976801/ ?

    Oh yes, I know - UTTERLY PRICELESS + HILARIOUS! apk

    1. Re:President Trump calls CNN "the VERY FAKE news" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ooh, its running joke APK, ranting and lying again. You realise nobody believes anything you write dont you troll weenie?
      Hows it feel to ba a laughing stock to the entire user base, you are though of as a puss filled pimple on the the arse of Slashdot you deluded fat ass. Just another uneducated lying shit.

  17. Re:snopes? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Snoops is usually good for NON-POLITICAL facts. When it comes to anything political they are heavily bias.

  18. Re:snopes? by wisnoskij · · Score: 3, Informative

    Snopes is by far the most unbiased fact checking site. It is clear they attempt to be unbiased. All other fact checking sites in existence were created and are operated simply to disprove people they do not like. I am not saying massive is not correct, but it is still without bounds where it is a useful site. And they do a decent job of collecting and summarizing the data. It is just the Truthiness rating that is sometimes way off. Look at the "Hillary started the Birther movement" article. Sure, it is caped off with a False, but what follows is the single best summary of all the proof that the Hillary campaign did birth the birther movement. They did orders of magnitude better at proving that statement than Breitbart did.

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  19. Re: snopes? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Frankly with the multiple shitstorm of posts from wailing rabid far right anons claiming everything on the planet that they dont like has a liberal bias, its becoming easier and easier to see where the truth is.

  20. The Job of an Editor by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Facebook replaced the newspaper for many people.
    But they only half-assed it because they left the role of editor unfilled.
    The job of an editor is to apply journalistic standards and tell reporters that their story won't be published if it doesn't meet those standards.
    Facebook just became a free-for-all with no journalistic standards.
    So now they are going meta and out-sourcing the work of the editors to fact-checking sites.
    People who want to be lied to can still be lied to. But people who are genuinely seeking to be informed are helped by getting a modern version of editorial control back in the loop. It won't be perfect, because nothing humans ever do is perfect, but its a step up from everybody having to be an expert to even know if they articles they are reading are bullshit or not.

  21. Re: snopes? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    As opposed to everyone on the left disputing everything anyone on the right says as being non factual. Two sides of the same coin.

  22. Who get's news from Facebook? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Paid journalists can't produce credible news at times yet people get news from Facebook? The problem with journalism is that in the US people directing the news, reporting the news, and delivering news are skewed in their facts vs telling the whole story. Yes there is some fake news but mostly there is filtered news a viewpoint intermixed with facts. Trying to create a story out of only one part of the whole story. This is the blurring of opinions and editorials vs real factual news.

  23. Living language by Okian+Warrior · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Total race-baiting, dog-whistle propaganda is labeled 'Disputed'?

    Cowardly.

    English has always been a "living" language: new words come into being, old words suffer from disuse, and meanings change. The syntax and grammer evolves and changes with the times.

    We're seeing this right with many of the words in common usage in the media. "Racist", "sexist", "islamaphobe" and a host of other terms are losing their dictionary meaning.

    I'm seeing lots of people on gab.ai who are completely blase' about being called racist. Someone will say "that's racist" or "you're a racist", and people are like "yeah, I'm racist. Whatever". I find it astonishing how quickly this has happened. Not 1 year ago the term "racist" meant that you believed a particular race was inferior. Nowadays you are a racist for having a particular body posture - even when you *don't* think some race is inferior.

    This is similar to how past words had a stronger meaning. Terms like "you're a jerk" (person who masterbates a lot) and "you suck" (you perform fellatio) have lost a lot of their power and meaning. The phrase "St Paul’s Cathedral Is Amusing, Awful, and Artificial" was once taken as high praise.

    So the words "disputed" and "fake" will be taking on new meaning, and in a year or two will come to have colloquial definitions that match their usage, which is not the usage we assign to them right now. "Disputed" will probably come to mean "politically charged", and "fake" will come to mean "from non-mainstream sources" without any of today's connotations of meaning.

    It's just the living language, undergoing change.

    1. Re: Living language by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Yeah it's nothing to worry about, just a new way to speak! Let's call it... newspeak?

    2. Re:Living language by quantaman · · Score: 1, Insightful

      I'm seeing lots of people on gab.ai who are completely blase' about being called racist.

      Because racism is being made more socially acceptable in certain subgroups, the election of a man who is extremely reluctant to criticize actual racists (the KKK, anti-Semites, etc), and who nominated an attorney general who was rejected as a judge for racist statements, is a big reason.

      Not 1 year ago the term "racist" meant that you believed a particular race was inferior. Nowadays you are a racist for having a particular body posture - even when you *don't* think some race is inferior.

      I'm not sure what you mean about the body posture, but I think "racist" still means that you believe a race is inferior. I think a big difference in the past few years is social media. It used to be people would make racist jokes or comments and no one would call it racist because their friends had similar views, and even if they were offended it's extremely awkward to call someone racist to their face.

      But now they make those racist comments on the Internet for everyone to see, and everyone feels less awkward about calling it racist in a tweet or facebook post.

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    3. Re:Living language by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, asshole, it's because you progressives decided that anybody who doesn't chant the party line must be labeled as racist. You've mainstreamed bigotry, but it's only okay if you hate rural white people and rich white people.

    4. Re: Living language by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Look, progressives can't help it if the rural poor whites vote for Republicans who take away their health care, who don't care if they're overdosing on pills, and only bother to care about them for long enough to shout a few slogans.

      They've voted lockstep for conservatives for years, what has it gotten them? A bunch of rich dudes who mock them AND take their money to watch their comedy show?

    5. Re: Living language by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm seeing lots of people on gab.ai who are completely blase' about being called racist.

      And these people, are they racist, and if so, how? There are hateful racists, and condescending racists, and even a few ignorant racists.

      Of course, almost all racists deny it, or at least try to portray their racism as benign or even salutatory. So why would you not expect them to adopt the defense mechanism of indifference?

      Someone will say "that's racist" or "you're a racist", and people are like "yeah, I'm racist. Whatever". I find it astonishing how quickly this has happened.

      Something that has been true for longer than you have been alive is a quick change to you? Unless you're two centuries old, this is nothing new.

      Go look at some apologia for the American Civil War or anti-Semitism.

      Not 1 year ago the term "racist" meant that you believed a particular race was inferior. Nowadays you are a racist for having a particular body posture - even when you *don't* think some race is inferior.

      All your example gives me is a demonstration of your apparent ignorance, you could have learned about this in the Seventies if you tried.

      It also comes up in literature and art.

      Would you like some help in alleviating your lack of awareness, or can you bother to do some work on your own?

      Oh, and there is also sexism in NVC as well.

      Semiotics might also help inform you.

    6. Re: Living language by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      As opposed to the black vote going to Obama, whose presidency led to a mass movement of black people thinking that everyone wants to kill them. Progressives, whom I've considered myself a member of until literally a couple of years ago, have essentially made the terms rape, misogyny and various isms meaningless. Thanks.

    7. Re:Living language by Razed+By+TV · · Score: 1

      Nowadays you are a racist for having a particular body posture - even when you *don't* think some race is inferior.

      Please tell me you aren't talking about the Sieg Heil body posture.

    8. Re:Living language by pipingguy · · Score: 1

      "English has always been a "living" language: new words come into being, old words suffer from disuse, and meanings change. The syntax and grammer evolves and changes with the times."

      Spelling too!

      (Come on, fess up - you're a master baiter, arencha?

    9. Re: Living language by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nope, the concerns about the police being violently oppressive towards blacks far predates Obama's presidency. You do know that the Rodney King beating happened about 25 years ago, right?

      It didn't come from nowhere. The LA Ramparts scandal was real. So were dozens of others, including Armando Diallo and Patrick Dorismund.

      And even older is Tulsa and Rosewood. Sorry, but you are as dumb as Trump's Ohio campaign chair, the one who resigned for her stupidity in not realizing race is a long standing issue.

      Your remarks purporting upset over rape, misogyny, etc, also fail to note that the actual history of dismissing their importance comes from the regressive side that wants to deny a problem. See for example, the Brock Turner case. Or dozens of others.

      But yeah, go ahead and claim to be a disaffected progressive, which does not actually give you any credibility.

    10. Re:Living language by ebvwfbw · · Score: 1

      It became a way to shut the other person up. Call them a racist. Stupid people tended to not listen to that person anymore. When that didn't work so well, well call them a nazi, even though a nazi is a leftist. So funny, I saw "a right wing nazi". Poor fellow had no idea just how ignorant he is. A guy was a RWN because he didn't want his Trump sign stolen. Yea, that's a Nazi alright...

      We let the left redefine stuff. How about Marriage. That's been defined for thousands of years, around the world, by I think every religion out there. Yet we're allowing this very very small percentage of people to tell us to redefine it? I don't know why we're doing that. They can have the same benefits and all, just don't call it marriage.

      Sometimes I think they'll look back at this time and blame it all on the rise of pot smoking.

    11. Re:Living language by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It became a way to shut the other person up. Call them a racist. Stupid people tended to not listen to that person anymore.

      Actually, it's the "race card" card now, as in "How dare you even imply I'm a racist, shame on you" has now become the defensive reaction of the racists.

      They get quite indignant over it.

      When that didn't work so well, well call them a nazi, even though a nazi is a leftist. So funny, I saw "a right wing nazi". Poor fellow had no idea just how ignorant he is.

      Ah, so your calling somebody a Nazi is ok! Pretty hypocritical of you. But I guess you have no idea what you're doing.

      Not that your idea about the political spectrum is correct, mind you.

      A guy was a RWN because he didn't want his Trump sign stolen. Yea, that's a Nazi alright...

      Actually, false claims of persecution and oppression were pretty much the modus operandi of the Nazi's. They liked to make themselves a martyr.

      In reality, of course, the theft of campaign signs is well known to have occurred on both sides, as well as other actions.

      We let the left redefine stuff. How about Marriage. That's been defined for thousands of years, around the world, by I think every religion out there. Yet we're allowing this very very small percentage of people to tell us to redefine it? I don't know why we're doing that. They can have the same benefits and all, just don't call it marriage.

      Nope. Couldn't do that, because many states went out of their way to specifically and explicitly ban ANYTHING like a marriage, no civil unions, no partnerships, no same-sex relationships at all. Sorry, but it was the "Marriage for Hetereosexuals Only" crowd that made it no other choice at all. There was no room for accommodation and tolerance. See states like Alabama and Kentucky to blame. They tried to control, and the more they tightened their grasp, the more they get a rebellion against them.

      More importantly, however, while religions have tried to co-opt marriage, it has actually been the province of the state, and in fact, the civil processes for marriage (and divorce) are far more extensive. Sorry, but this religious obsession with control was false, deceitful, and offensive. I don't go to your church and tell you how to do things. Don't come to my government and tell me how it's going to be run according to what your church wants.

      (You may, of course, exercise your democratic rights in a non-theocratic manner, but nobody ever offered a concrete objection to same-sex marriage on those grounds. It was always the breathless exhortation that churches were in charge of marriage. They aren't. Sorry, we're not a papal state.)

      Sometimes I think they'll look back at this time and blame it all on the rise of pot smoking.

      Channeling a little Jeff Sessions, are you? The demonization of marijuana continues!

    12. Re:Living language by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Or it could be because activists pull the racism, sexism card so often on trivial events that it has diluted their meaning.
      There are people with blogs out there itching to be offended at the slightest possibility that something someone said can be misinterpreted or blown out of proportion to make a good blog story.

    13. Re:Living language by Shane_Optima · · Score: 1

      Because racism is being made more socially acceptable in certain subgroups

      This is true, but only because of what that poster was saying: people are saying "yeah, I guess I'm racist now. Whatever" and thus the taboo is weakened in "certain subgroups", and it's due primarily to the broad over-application of the term. I've termed this phenomenon the ongoing catastrophic failure of Operation Conflation: Progressives trying to fight back against a rise in visible racism by inflating the definition of the term is having the opposite effect as intended by weakening the taboo against real racism, yet the more this tactic backfires the harder they push.

      It used to be people would make racist jokes or comments and no one would call it racist because their friends had similar views, and even if they were offended it's extremely awkward to call someone racist to their face.

      It used to be that there were terms like "insensitive" or "crude" used to describe people who used words and ideas in blunt, offensive or stereotype-reinforcing ways without their usage actually supporting racism/sexism/antisemitism/etc. This middle ground has mostly disappeared. Nazi and Holocaust jokes, once thought to be merely distasteful, are now called antisemitic even if the evidence strongly indicates otherwise.

      Any reference whatsoever to an ethnic custom or stereotype is now deemed racist. I've listened as perfectly intelligent-sounding people tried to explain that the sound of a gong playing when a Chinese character walks on-screen is blatantly racist. Because... what now? What's the implicit logic behind that analysis; what's the implied (and supposedly racist) meaning? That Chinese people have no sense of musicality? That they have an irresistible racial impulse to play gongs? That the peace and quiet of wholesome white neighborhoods is being disrupted by the raucous 3 a.m. gong-playing of inferior barbarians? It's an extremely stupid thing to utterly equate cultural observation/parody and actual racism, but this is not a fringe interpretation of the concept. Give it another decade, and I wouldn't be surprised if people are arguing it's racist to ever show a Mexican eating a taco.

      (And not only that: it will be racist cultural appropriation / fetishization to show a non-Latino enjoying a taco.)

      The same exact thing is happening with sexism. Jerry Seinfeld's daughter called her mother sexist for suggesting that in a couple years, she'll probably want to hang around boys more often. Not, "you're definitely going to do this" or "I insist that you do this", just that this seemed like a probable course of events. And after Jerry mentioned this in an interview (the context being how the youth of today doesn't understand what actual prejudice is), I saw dozens of progressive-types defending his daughter's characterization of her mother's words. And not a month ago, I had an exchange on Slashdot where I basically said "She [some woman complaining about sexism] sounds like a cunt. Ok, now, *that was a joke* and the *only* reason why I make this joke was to ask whether you think that this self-conscious usage is sexist." And the person said yes, I was sexist for using the word. This is the world we live in now. Four-year-old level tattletale-ing has replaced all reflection and nuance. It doesn't matter at all that I'm a gender egalitarian.

      but I think "racist" still means that you believe a race is inferior

      We're going to see "(archaic)" next to this definition in the dictionary if things continue as they have been.

    14. Re:Living language by Coren22 · · Score: 1

      the election of a man who is extremely reluctant to criticize actual racists (the KKK, anti-Semites, etc)

      Fake news got you down, learn the real news!

      http://www.cnn.com/2016/03/03/...

      Trump nearly immediately denounced David Duke. The only reason it was nearly, and not just immediately is because he didn't even realize who was being spoken about. The environment was apparently noisy and he didn't hear what the interviewer asked. So, no Trump didn't fail to criticize anyone.

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    15. Re:Living language by Coren22 · · Score: 1

      http://abc7ny.com/politics/kel...

      That is the story I believe being alluded to.

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    16. Re:Living language by quantaman · · Score: 1

      the election of a man who is extremely reluctant to criticize actual racists (the KKK, anti-Semites, etc)

      Fake news got you down, learn the real news!

      a) Stop abusing the term "fake news" to discredit mainstream media stories you disagree with.

      b) Not only was I completely aware of the stuff you're referencing, I was actually talking about it.

      http://www.cnn.com/2016/03/03/...

      Trump nearly immediately denounced David Duke. The only reason it was nearly, and not just immediately is because he didn't even realize who was being spoken about. The environment was apparently noisy and he didn't hear what the interviewer asked. So, no Trump didn't fail to criticize anyone.

      It strains credibility to claim that Trump didn't heard the original question clearly because he actually said the name "David Duke" in his answer. But, even if he were somehow confused about the question on Sunday it still took him till Thursday to disavow Duke, and when he did it was a very dismissive denial, far less hostile than his criticisms of virtually anyone else. Many actual racists saw that and thought "he's disavowing because he has to, but his heard isn't in it", and I can't disagree with them.

      So yes, when I say he is "extremely reluctant to criticize actual racists" that is what I'm talking about it.

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  24. That's the problem with this. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Who determines what's true? Who will be the final arbiter? All this becomes is tyranny of the majority. This is no fix.

    1. Re: That's the problem with this. by Uranium+Willy · · Score: 2

      It not perfect but perfect is the enemy of good, getting your news from Facebook is not good, but people clearly are. I fail to see how letting some political interest just swamp real fact with misinformation unchallenged is better, in theory people can go to other news sources of different political position to confirm facts but don't.

    2. Re:That's the problem with this. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Facebook should employ fact-checkers like many journalistic organizations. If there is disagreement/revision on the disputed nature of an item, they come in, make the call, and then reduce the ability of people to mark further material as disputed (or not) based upon whether, in the opinion of the professional fact-checkers, a person's mislabeling was intentional or not.

  25. A small commentary. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The truth is not always a number that can easily be compared. It is often fluid with different sides seeing different aspects.
    It is unknowable, forever hidden or even purposefully obfuscated. What is going on now is simply an evolution of human understanding. Skepticism has ensued but the big barrier is the belief that you need to hold on and defend "your knowledge" as if throwing it away would somehow impinge upon your character. This barrier is being broken, the process however will be slow and it goes against most current human programming. As for those who wish to defend the (sub human beings?) from having access to all information. You know what you are doing your chance of success is ZERO.

  26. Nostalgic by SeaFox · · Score: 1

    A story will be marked as disputed if fact-checkers find the story to be fake.

    Remember when fact-checking was, like, a basic part of writing news stories as a professional journalist? Nice to see Facebook picking up the slack for something "news organizations" don't think is really necessary anymore (because they don't want to pay for the time/resources to do it).

  27. Using "disputed" ADDS credibility... by Dutchmaan · · Score: 1

    You'll just end up ADDING credibility to false stories when you say it's "disputed". Disputed can be used for things like "dark matter" where there is some evidence one can point to, but nothing concrete can be derived from it.

    Fake news is usually based on pure conjecture and hyperbole, in a very fuzzy math / connect the dots kind of thinking. People who believe fake news WANT to believe it and will use ANY wiggle room as validation.

  28. Change your diet arstechnica... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    See subject: EATING YOUR WORDS != good nutrition https://yro.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=10320833&cid=53976475/ letting /.ers do it for me!

    So tell us - how'd they taste?

    Like your foot in your mouth ramming them in (lmao) washed down by the bitter taste of SELF-defeat, perhaps?

    * :)

    APK

    P.S.=> Eat your words arstechnica UNIDENTIFIABLE worm & EAT MY DUST (as always) - now, per tradition - you just KNOW I've just GOTTA say it, don't you? Ah, but of COURSE you do:

    THIS? This was just "too, Too, TOO EASY - just '2ez'", always is vs. you dolts (you provide the ammo for me to blow you away with every single time, lol)... apk

  29. Re:Fact Checking Liberal Bias by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So, let's be clear here. You feel that Snopes is being unbiased when they declare easily provable lies to be false, instead of insisting that the absurd shit is true (because if it were true it would be bad for the Right).

    How about issues where there is a large gulf of grey area? What about their refusal to fact check certain stories? Are you quite sure your list of bookmarks of easy-to-check stories tells us what you think it does?

    Shill, proselytize thyself.

  30. what we used to call fake news by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    propaganda

  31. Disputed is more difficult to define by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Agreed, "disputed" is more vague than "fake". But fake isn't a good label. They need a full reputation system, so sources repeated proved wrong rank lower than source that are proved to be correct over time. So that each time some crazy tweets something random at 6 n the morning, it's clearly noted as from that crazy.

    To me, this is good reporting:
    http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-39168149

    It lists Trump's latest claim, the circumstances just before that claim , that led up to it, and notes the pattern it fits. What it doesn't do, is say anything false or make up your mind for you. It does contain opinion and commentary, down towards the bottom, it extrapolates the pattern forward, but that seems reasonable and is clearly opinion.

    BBC has REPUTATION behind it, and so even the opinion piece has value because of BBC's long established reputation.

    CNN, likewise, Trump attacks it because it has reputation. He wouldn't attack it if it was some random scandal sheet. They too, are full of unpleasant facts.

    http://edition.cnn.com/2017/03/04/politics/donald-trump-russia-what-we-know/index.html

  32. Re:Fact Checking Liberal Bias by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You are encouraged to provide examples of these cases you mention.
    Since you are so sure about them, surely you can list some of them, right?
    Right?

  33. No, but it may cause harm by s.petry · · Score: 1

    There is so much fake news today that people don't know what to believe. Alternative sources can at least get people who want to look a different source for facts, or often a more complete set of facts. Flagging "disputed" from a biased perspective does not help anyone return a full set of facts.

    It's really funny how the anti-Trump people bash Fox, yet ignore their own team (not really, it's quite common). FSN is often just as left leaning as CNN or MSNBC depending on the time of day and show running.

    The big problem in the US today is that there are simply no reliable sources of news. Just as rare, are reasonable opinions that argue with a full set of facts.

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    1. Re:No, but it may cause harm by David_Hart · · Score: 2

      There is so much fake news today that people don't know what to believe. Alternative sources can at least get people who want to look a different source for facts, or often a more complete set of facts. Flagging "disputed" from a biased perspective does not help anyone return a full set of facts.

      It's really funny how the anti-Trump people bash Fox, yet ignore their own team (not really, it's quite common). FSN is often just as left leaning as CNN or MSNBC depending on the time of day and show running.

      The big problem in the US today is that there are simply no reliable sources of news. Just as rare, are reasonable opinions that argue with a full set of facts.

      The problem with both Fox and CNN isn't that they don't present the facts, they do. However, they then spin those same facts during their gossip sessions with "analysts". They also tend to pick out which news stories to present. If they spent less time gossiping with analysts they would have much more time to present all news stories, not just a selection of them. The problem with this is that they found that they get better ratings through talking politics than anything else.

  34. Re:snopes? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    That's not true, troll.

  35. Will people believe anything not disputed now? by No+Longer+an+AC · · Score: 1

    I can see at least some people saying "See, it's not 'Disputed' on FB, it must be true!"

    Or maybe almost everything will be "disputed"

  36. Pizza-related map on your forgotten handkerchief by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Does the non-partisan Poynter Code of Principles think that references to a "pizza-related map" on a discarded handkerchief are perfectly normal?

  37. Appellate procedure by manu0601 · · Score: 1

    Is there an appellate procedure if you produce a news that is wrongly flagged as "disputed"?

  38. "non-partisan" Poynter Code of Principles?!?!? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    REALLY? The first tip that this is meaningless is that the far-left "progressive" fanatics at Factcheck.org, Politifact and Snopes (all three of which have nasty reputations for misleading people) are signatories.

    What a laugh. Apparently ANY warped and dishonest leftist organ can sign up to those non-enforceable and un-policed "principles" - so the whole thing is utterly meaningless. Snopes is the worst of those three I noted, not even up to the standards of the other two (Factcheck and Politifact) who themselves each have long histories of using bias in the selection of what they will or will not "fact check" and re-interpreting things and then fact-checking their interpretations of the things rather than the actual things.

    One of the major shifts in American politics that occurred in the havok of the 1960s was that "deconstructionism" and relativism took over in political rhetoric. This approximately coincided with the leftist takeover of the Democratic party at the 1968 DNC convention. Before the '68 convention, the Democrats were center-left, and while Democrats and Republicans certainly had their differences on POLICY, everybody agreed that FACTS were FACTS. Post 1968, more-left-leaning people were on the ascendancy in the Democrat party (not yet in control, but with enough influence they needed to be catered to) and in academia and in the press and "facts" became increasingly subjective. Somebody from the center-left or center-right would say something and some leftist would "deconstruct" the statement and then attack his interpretation of what was said and even deny plainly factual evidence. EVERYTHING has become hyper-political and suject to relativism as the left has ascended in politics.

    We are now at a place where POTUS Trump can TEMPORARILY (for 90 days) ban MOST travellers from SEVEN of the 50+ majority-Muslim nations, and supposedly neutral and unbiased journalists breathlessly report this as a "muslim ban"... so much for objective facts and "fact checking".../p.

    1. Re:"non-partisan" Poynter Code of Principles?!?!? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Although you'd likely call me a "leftist" (and in turn I'd describe all US politicians as right wing, including the ones you'd likely describe as "far left"), and certainly although I believe you have a psychological freak show running the US that you'd be well rid of quickly before you succumb completely to fascism (the literal kind, not the "anything I disagree with is" kind), a quick fact check reveals:

      ban MOST travellers from SEVEN of the 50+ majority-Muslim nations

      Ban applied to 7 Muslim majority countries: Syria, Iraq, Iran, Libya, Sudan, Yemen, Somalia: true
      There are 55 Muslim majority nations (>50% population): true.
      Ban applied to MOST travellers: true, but understated. Only diplomats, UN and religious minorities fleeing persecution (a 99%+ Muslim population doesn't leave many people there if the whole remainder decided to up and leave) are left, which I'd say is a little stronger than "MOST" and into "nearly everyone" (with specific exceptions). Still, it's true.

      On the point of the travel ban itself, I agree with you that it was painted as a "Muslim ban" for political effect, the problem here is that Trump almost certainly attempted to place the ban for the same political reason. A campaign pledge was "to temporarily ban most foreign Muslims from entering the United States". You can argue that the ban and the pledge have become conflated, however I'm certain that he will claim the upcoming travel ban to be living up to his pledge.

      The main criticism should have been the abrupt manner in which it was implemented, which undeniably led to chaos, confusion and causing issues for a lot of good people rather than because it was a "Muslim ban".

  39. Re: snopes? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Well let's face it, since the Trump regime took office that's turned into a pretty safe bet.

  40. Re:snopes? by quantaman · · Score: 2

    Snopes is by far the most unbiased fact checking site. It is clear they attempt to be unbiased. All other fact checking sites in existence were created and are operated simply to disprove people they do not like. I am not saying massive is not correct, but it is still without bounds where it is a useful site. And they do a decent job of collecting and summarizing the data. It is just the Truthiness rating that is sometimes way off. Look at the "Hillary started the Birther movement" article. Sure, it is caped off with a False, but what follows is the single best summary of all the proof that the Hillary campaign did birth the birther movement. They did orders of magnitude better at proving that statement than Breitbart did.

    Not quite.

    The theory started with conservatives, though didn't take off. Some Clinton supporters (and possibly some people associated with the campaign) pushed it a bit during the primary battle, but again it didn't take off.

    Where the conspiracy theory actually got traction, ie the start of the birther movement, was with Republicans.

    Realistically the start of the birther movement was Obama running for president while being a black person who was somewhat exotic and spent some time growing up outside of the US. There's a portion of the population who will view him as not being authentically American, and they look for ways to rationalize that feeling. That demographic leans strongly Republican, and the moment the idea that he might not be American came up they jumped all over it.

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  41. Do you play dominoes on pizza or pasta? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    > Look at how many people on Slashdot fell for pizzagate.

    What do you mean 'fell for'? Very few people ever believed there were kids under the pizza parlor. Lots of people thought that Podesta and Alefantis had super creepy taste in "art" (do you have "art" of naked, bound teenagers lying around?) and thought that maybe there would be enough lying around in public for an actual police investigation.

    And not many people have ever lost "pizza related handkercheifs" or wondered whether they played dominoes better on pizza or pasta. When people went looking for what kind of code words they might be, funny thing, they turned up to be pedo slang on sites like urban dictionary and well-attested long before this whole thing came to anyone's attention.

    But I guess Snopes didn't bother to cover that part in their 1-day investigation.

  42. See the problem? by CaptainDork · · Score: 2

    The problem is the fucking bubble, Facebook, wherein people log in and stay.

    Facebook is not a goddam news site.

    it's social media where relatives and friends post inane shit.

    News is at news sites.

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  43. SCUBA Bong Urban Legend marked, "Disputed!" by SlashGodet · · Score: 1

    Posted a "new to me" Urban Legend: Scuba Bong, clearly labeled Urban Legend. Next day, a dismissive label, "Disputed!" Er...is the SCUBA Bong disputed, or is the Urban Legend status of the SCUBA Bong disputed? Big Brother Facebook muddies the waters.

  44. (Fake)News on Facebook? by angel'o'sphere · · Score: 1

    How do you actually get news on facebook?
    I only get posts of friends, their timelines etc. and: advertisements. I never saw any news on my Facebook visits. Or do people consider "advertisements" as "news"? But perhaps I once checked a box: "no news" or something, no idea.

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  45. "Disputed" by the left. by sethstorm · · Score: 3, Insightful

    This is just another way to cover for their bias, especially when they're as selective on policy enforcement as Twitter.

    I guess the new bar of "making it" will be having your story 'disputed' by Facebook's favorites.

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  46. Re: factually accurate by slashrio · · Score: 1

    I stick mostly to CNN & BBC - but it is typically factually accurate.

    Yes, the BBC can be very accurate, especially when they announced the collapse of WTC building 7 even before it had happened yet.

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  47. Re: fake news = ... by slashrio · · Score: 2

    Fake news = A news story made up in whole or substantially with intentionally verifiability untrue information in it.

    I think news with deliberate omissions in it, to manipulate the people into accepting 'alternative facts' as truth, also constitutes fake news.

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  48. A Clinton organization evaluating itself? by sethstorm · · Score: 1

    Given Snopes' funding by Clinton interests, I'd be highly suspect of them [effectively] clearing themselves.

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  49. Re: factually accurate by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 1

    Confusion is to be expected during rapidly evolving, large scale events.

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  50. News Flash! by corwinsr · · Score: 1

    And now: Earth turns dark every twelve hours - Trump blames N. Korea of new secret weapon. Facebook: This is a "disputed" story.

  51. Facts are not disputable by corwinsr · · Score: 1

    Everyone is acting as if an opinion of a fact IS a fact. No. Facts are facts period. If one person says something and there's video of them saying it then it's true. Period. Someone else or that same person saying "I didn't say that" or "no, I actually said this ____". Is not an alternate fact or a valid opinion or anything other than a lie. If Trump says his phones were tapped by Obama and there's zero evidence offered as proof that's not a "disputed" story, it's a f****** lie.

  52. the glorious day is finally here by greg.mcclement · · Score: 1

    quick, someone post a story to facebook that "P == NP" so we can find out if that is true or not.

  53. Re: snopes? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Factually not a regime, buddy.

  54. Bitch Trump by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Bitch Trump is crying!

  55. Re: factually accurate by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Bullshit. BBC is an intelligence propaganda outlet, like the rest of the mainstream media. The only confusion was the timing of the scripted news piece stating that WTC7 had collapsed.

    We are being had by these phonies. Don't make excuses for them. They know exactly what they are doing. BBC is not your friend.

  56. Re:snopes? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    15 years ago everyone that wasn't an aol rtard knew snopes was bias as fuck and unreliable for anything more complex than an urban legend.

    did you forget?

  57. Re: fake news = ... by dcw3 · · Score: 2

    Agreed. To me, a lie of omission is just as bad when you can be certain the source knew that they had left it out.

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  58. 97% of relevantly qualified scientists agree by presidenteloco · · Score: 2

    Would that be enough to get someone's statement that denies human-caused global warming/climate change labelled as false?

    or does it have to be 9 out of 10 dentists who agree?

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    1. Re:97% of relevantly qualified scientists agree by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm no frothing denier, but you really should look into that 97% figure some more before using it to prop your soapbox up... maybe google "97% climate discredited" and see what pops up?

    2. Re:97% of relevantly qualified scientists agree by Maritz · · Score: 1

      Yeah you can google most things you want to be true and find an article than agrees with you. AGW is real though, despite the childishness and selfishness of the US and Aussie populations.

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  59. The final arbiter should be AI software by presidenteloco · · Score: 1

    A joint, open-sourced AI project by IBM, Google, and leading universities should be built to serve as an objective, disinterested physical and social world modeller and it can answer truth-likelihood and objectiveness/bias tendency of all statements except those whose answer is 42.

    We could call it "Oracle" - no wait, scratch that. Any other suggestions for its name?

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  60. Re: factually accurate by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Getting a detail wrong on a huge, unexpected, international disaster is hardly the same as manufacturing news stories.

  61. Re: factually accurate by gnick · · Score: 1

    Yes, the BBC can be very accurate, especially when they announced the collapse of WTC building 7 even before it had happened yet.

    If your prime example of the BBC falsifying information is a moment of confusion while scrambling around in international turmoil more than 15 years ago, I don't think I'll be abandoning them as as a news source just yet. Prematurely announcing the collapse was an understandable mistake, not remotely an attempt at propaganda.

    Surely if they were really a problem you could find something a little more persuasive.

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  62. Overused Terms That Mean Nothing Anymore by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    My favorite terminology is "independent" and "third-party".

    As if these people aren't in any way affiliated with the group paying them money. Especially when that group has a known history of political bias and has been caught using it to manipulate data more than once.

    Some other favorites of mine are: officials, representatives, experts, retired (insert agency here, they have no more access to current affairs than you and I), and of course anyone from the Hollywood circuit.

  63. Gizmodo, how amusing by Bender+Unit+22 · · Score: 1

    How amusing that someone from Gizmodo talks about "fake news" when they are quite good at writing fake news themselves. That site is a flaming pile of dog shit.

  64. Meaning of the word seems to have changed... by TheConway · · Score: 1

    It seems to me that fake, as traditionally used, means that something isn't what it says it is. A fake car can't drive, a fake laptop won't turn on, a piece of fake fruit might be made of wax. There's no element of truth other than the aesthetic. It LOOKS like the thing it is claiming to be but contains none of the content. Why, therefor, are people's extreme opinions being labelled as 'fake'? They might be lacking in truth, but all news outlets have always put their own spin on stories and further a narrative they support, in many cases lying in order to do so. In using 'fake' in such an odd way, we're now getting to a point where entire news organisations are being dismissed for some factual inaccuracies in one or two stories. Can't we go back to calling specific 'journalists' and news outlets liars whenever they produce 'lies'?

  65. Re: factually accurate by Maritz · · Score: 1

    I stick mostly to CNN & BBC - but it is typically factually accurate.

    Yes, the BBC can be very accurate, especially when they announced the collapse of WTC building 7 even before it had happened yet.

    Thanks for putting your other comments into context. I used to be a truther. Then I grew the fuck up.

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  66. Re: factually accurate by Maritz · · Score: 1

    Bullshit. BBC is an intelligence propaganda outlet, like the rest of the mainstream media. The only confusion was the timing of the scripted news piece stating that WTC7 had collapsed.

    We are being had by these phonies. Don't make excuses for them. They know exactly what they are doing. BBC is not your friend.

    LOL. The competence you imbue your dastardly enemies with is truly staggering.

    I mean you really ought to give up.

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  67. Propaganda technique by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Subtle shift in phrasing, like replacing "fake news" with "disputed" is a popular propaganda technique called "euphemistic labelling", using euphemistic language to describe reprehensible conduct is another way that individuals can morally disengage from their moral standard.
    "Disputed news" are still "fake news", but new language gives perceived legitimacy to the topic, while doing nothing to change the content.

    This feels like the first step in accepting fake news as part of regular business, worming into everyday lives on a legitimate basis, and making public unaware that it really is fake, the "disputed" gives ground for "well, if its disputed, then surely theres some truth to it from both sides, so I'll side with the other" - thus accepting fake news, even though the essence is still lies and deceit =/

  68. Re: falsifying information by slashrio · · Score: 1

    I think it's worse than that when you know it on beforehand. Had nothing to do with confusion.

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  69. Re: fake news = ... by slashrio · · Score: 1

    There is an example of the national Dutch news service showing an 'attempt' of a BBC reporter to question Putin about the terrible loss of life in Syria.
    He asks his question, camera turns away, then off.
    Newscaster: 'Putin shunned BBC reporter asking about the terrible humanitarian disaster in Syria.'
    The real, complete, version however, shows the camera turning back to the couple, with Putin attending the reporter for about 15 minutes.
    Now that is what I call a display of deliberately generated fake news by national television in order to damage somebody's character.
    To me it was of the contributions to my trust being totally gone through the window.
    I'll never trust any news service again.

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  70. Right... by PontifexMaximus · · Score: 0

    Because Facebook users are the most intelligent and discriminating of people on this planet. Well, so much for all conservative news feeds. The liberals have won the idiot war. I feel really bad for America now that entitled morons whined loud enough to get that squeaky wheel greased to their liking.

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  71. Re: falsifying information by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm sure you're trying to imply something about the BBC, but for the life of me I can't figure out what.

  72. Re: falsifying information by gnick · · Score: 1

    I think it's worse than that when you know it on beforehand. Had nothing to do with confusion.

    Oh! Now I see! Once we eliminate the absurd notion that a mistake was made during all of the confusion, we're left with the obvious conclusion that the BBC had prior knowledge of the events. It's so clear now! How did I miss it?

    Perhaps because I'm not a paranoid, conspiracy-theorist whack-job.

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  73. Now everything will be disputed... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Does anyone else see the eventuality of this? Everything will get flagged as fake and the fact checkers will be overwhelmed. I don't see this adding anything.

    Oh the inhumanity of it all... everyone building their own little insular worlds of what they consider to be true, without considering objective reality.

  74. The Clintons are getting their gatekeepers by knorthern+knight · · Score: 1

    Two news items bemoaning the lack of internet gatekeepers...

    1) http://www.breitbart.com/big-j...

    > Three years before Matt Drudge changed the world and how news would be
    > consumed, President Bill Clinton's White House feared that the Internet was allowing
    > average citizens, especially conservatives, to bypass legacy gatekeepers and
    > access information that had previously been denied to them by the mainstream press.

    2) http://www.drudgereportarchive...

    > Clinton was asked whether she favored curbs on the Internet, after the DRUDGE REPORT
    > made headlines with coverage of her husband's affair with a White House intern.
    > "We are all going to have to rethink how we deal with this, because there are all
    > these competing values ... Without any kind of editing function or gatekeeping
    > function, what does it mean to have the right to defend your reputation?" she said.

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