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China Developing Manned Space Mission To the Moon

China is building a manned spacecraft capable of sending astronauts to the moon as well as near-Earth orbit flight, according to Chinese state media. From a report on CNBC: The official newspaper of the Ministry of Science and Technology of China cited system chief architect Zhang Bainan who claimed the craft is being designed to carry as many as six astronauts. The newspaper, Science and Technology Daily, quoted Zhang Bainan as saying China wished to catch up with international standards of space exploration. The fresh announcement follows a separate Chinese ambition to bring back samples from the moon before the end of this year.

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  1. Hey everybody... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...It's a moon party!

    1. Re:Hey everybody... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A communist moon party

    2. Re: Hey everybody... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I love communism, where they truly care for lowly working people, and shoot corrupt assholes.

    3. Re: Hey everybody... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I love communism, where they truly care for lowly working people, and shoot corrupt assholes.

      except the corrupt leadership, because if you point that out , you are corrupt and must be shot.

    4. Re: Hey everybody... by eric_harris_76 · · Score: 1

      Picky, picky, picky.

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  2. You're in luck! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The newspaper, Science and Technology Daily, quoted Zhang Bainan as saying China wished to catch up with international standards of space exploration.

    Shh, nobody tell him we lowered our standards.

    1. Re:You're in luck! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hardly. The new standard is to raise the QOL so far that private citizens can do this without having to wait for the government.

    2. Re:You're in luck! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oh, of course, that's why there are so many private citizens going to the moon. Since the Government did it so many times so flawlessly and continues to do so. Of course, none of that is remotely true.

      I see what you're saying, sort of, but it's not really applicable.

      Also, how many private citizens do you know who can land on the moon in Kerbal Space Program, much less real life?

    3. Re:You're in luck! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How many private Chinese citizens have launched something into orbit? Or even into space? Or even started their own aircraft company? (I don't know, maybe a lot)

  3. Good for them by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Good for them. At least someone is interested in getting out into space.

    1. Re:Good for them by Joce640k · · Score: 2

      Yep. I really hope they do it. Just to show up the USA for what it's become since the 1960s.

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    2. Re:Good for them by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What's so great about space as opposed to the bottom of the ocean, or drilling deep into the Earth?

    3. Re:Good for them by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What's so great about space as opposed to the bottom of the ocean, or drilling deep into the Earth?

      If a big rock shows up to obliterate Earth, we won't survive by being in a hole or on the ocean floor.

    4. Re:Good for them by Maritz · · Score: 4, Insightful

      If our species learns to live in space, it will have potential to go on indefinitely. If we stay on earth, maybe a century or two tops. That's what's "so great" about it.

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    5. Re:Good for them by fustakrakich · · Score: 1

      The view is better

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    6. Re:Good for them by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      By the end of 2018 we are scheduled to have

      SpaceX Falcon Heavy around the moon
      SLS around the moon.
      And maybe New Glenn nearing its flight around the moon.

      That is what USA has become since the 1960s... why didn't you know that?

    7. Re:Good for them by Maritz · · Score: 4, Informative

      This is 2017. Ever since the shuttle retired you've been hitching a ride to the ISS with the Russians. That's what you've become since the 1960s. In addition to flaunting ignorance as the highest of all possible traits, of course.

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    8. Re:Good for them by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Meh, not all Americans wear a MAGA hat. If China gets space travel going to the Moon, so much the better. It might be cheaper to use their state-of-the-art rockets to get real payloads into orbit.

      Of course, it would be nice if the US was hitting the moon again, rather than wasting cash on walls, private prisons, and no-bid contracts. However, until corporations are taxed the way they are in every other developed nation, that revenue just flies out of the US and to other countries.

    9. Re:Good for them by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Get back to me when another country has multiple rovers running on Mars for years on end. Launching to ISS and moon landings is old hat at this point.

    10. Re:Good for them by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The chinks aren't there yet. I welcome a new space race.

    11. Re:Good for them by GLMDesigns · · Score: 2, Informative

      MAGA hat != anti-science.

      Time to start thinking for yourself.

      You do realize that the religious right (social conservatives) were not supportive of Trump. Trump was losing Utah up until the last 2 wks (not to Hillary but to Evan McMullin).

      Wanting legal (as opposed to anything-goes) immigration is not equal to anti-science and anti-technology.
      Being for free markets and capitalism as opposed to a government directed economy is not equal to anti-science and anti-technology.
      Being for individualism as opposed to SJW group-identity politics is not equal to anti-science and anti-technology.

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    12. Re: Good for them by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If we can't learn to live on Earth for more than "a century or two" longer, having a few people preserved up in tin cans outside the biosphere won't matter.

      It ain't your Buck Rodgers future that's ahead. Humanity cannot survive as some sort of rarified species separated from the Eaeth.

    13. Re:Good for them by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "... maybe a century or two tops..."

      Citation?

      The sun goes red giant in a couple of billion years, around that time the Earth becomes uninhabitable. Other than that, what sources do you have that the earth is non-sustainable in a couple of centuries? And, most importantly, do not quote things that show simple linear progressions, we all know things reach asymptotes or other cycles.

      Not to say I am not with you, I am, the Human Race needs to keep exploring and finding new places to live, true, and good for the Chinese. Though I seriously doubt they will be doing it (as our astronauts famously said, "for all mankind".

    14. Re:Good for them by gatkinso · · Score: 1

      The manned spaceflight gap is an artifact of funding, nothing more.

      So... why not highlight what YOUR country has done in space.

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    15. Re:Good for them by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not to mention Hubble, Kepler, Spitzer, Cassini, Mars orbiters, New Horizons, Dawn, and a flotilla of other active advanced missions. China needs to pass India in space first, and they have their hands full.

    16. Re:Good for them by WrongMonkey · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Our species has been living on this planet for over 200 millennia, mostly without the benefit of technology. Similar hominid species were thriving for over 3 million years. What *exactly* do you expect is going to change in the next century or two? Even if the Earth were to be hit simultaneously by global warming, nuclear war and a comet, it would still be infinitely more habitable than any known planet. We have an entire continent (Antarctica) that hasn't even begun to be colonized and you're ready to write off the whole planet.

    17. Re:Good for them by gatkinso · · Score: 2

      When I worked there I used to ask the folks at Goddard why not explore the seabed.

      They all pretty much said because that is much harder to do.

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    18. Re:Good for them by thrich81 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Well, right now in 2017, the USA's space program has two (2) functioning rovers on Mars, a spacecraft operating in orbit around Jupiter, a spacecraft operating in orbit around Saturn, a spacecraft operating in orbit around Ceres, a spacecraft on the way to its second encounter with a Kuiper belt object (after its flyby of Pluto), etc. If you want to review what the USA has done since the 1960's -- Since the 60's the USA has had successful missions to every planet in the Solar System, and orbiters around all of them from Mercury out to Saturn, plus five USA spacecraft are currently on their way out of the solar system. No other spacefaring nation will be able to say that anytime soon.

    19. Re:Good for them by Grishnakh · · Score: 1

      Of course, it would be nice if the US was hitting the moon again, rather than wasting cash on walls, private prisons, and no-bid contracts

      Spending money on those things is Making America Great Again. Spending money on the Moon is not. If you disagree, you're unAmerican.

    20. Re:Good for them by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Well, given what we've seen out of the Trump administration we can indeed conclude: MAGA hat == Anti-science

      The people he's recruited for appointments clearly stated they reject scientific consensus and evidence based conclusions about many very serious scientific topics.. Why just today we have the head of the EPA saying that Co2 is not a primary contributor to global warming.

      I find it even more interesting that the support you offer in evidence of your argument is a bunch of unrelated politically charged assertions and claims about a past election.

      I'm forced to conclude, indeed, MAGA hat == Anti-science

    21. Re:Good for them by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, we're just concentrating on more important things

    22. Re:Good for them by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Oh look, some fuckwit with the SJW boogeyman again

    23. Re:Good for them by thrich81 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Replying to my own post because I should have added this -- with all that said about the USA space program, I fully applaud these Chinese efforts and those of all other nations (and private organizations). There is plenty of space out there for everyone. On the plaque which the Apollo 11 mission left on the moon in 1969, it says, "We came in peace for all mankind." Totally true or not, it's the right sentiment.

    24. Re:Good for them by tinkerton · · Score: 1

      Now that's a point which is worth emphasising. Even with nuclear war(and i'm pessimistic enough to consider it likely in the long run) humanity is hard to wipe out completely, and it will remain easier to support a million people here than elsewhere. There's still something to be said for not putting everything in one basket though. The idea of moving away is ridiculous, the idea of spreading out is not.

    25. Re:Good for them by sit1963nz · · Score: 1

      Actual quite a few nations have permanent bases there. Whats stopped colonisation is the Antarctic treaty which prevents nations from setting up shop in a bigger way, mining, polluting etc.

    26. Re:Good for them by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You should research what SJW means because you didn't use it correctly.

    27. Re:Good for them by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      He doesn't need a citation; it's a religion.

    28. Re:Good for them by WrongMonkey · · Score: 1

      Since when in the history of Western Civilization has a piece of paper ever prevented the exploitation of an economic resource? You're either being delightfully naive or willfully ignorant. The only reason the Antarctic treaty is even enforceable is because the technology doesn't exist to further develop Antarctica beyond a few bases that would quickly die without outside support. And if we can't colonize Antarctica, then we sure can't colonize dead rocks in space.

    29. Re:Good for them by sit1963nz · · Score: 1

      This (so far) has probably been the first example though the seas around it are illegally exploited by some nations. So I guess there may be some (small) hope for mankind. As alternative energy sources become more viable there is less reason for oil exploration which is probably the only resource worth exploiting, and the costs of permanent habitation are high enough that there are cheaper options.

    30. Re:Good for them by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Make America Grate Again? - like it ever stopped. For one thing, the USA isn't 'America'.

    31. Re:Good for them by Gavagai80 · · Score: 1

      Mormons are a very different group from the rest of the religious right. They don't like Trump because they're a historically persecuted religious minority. The rest of the religious right voted for him because they're the dominant religious group.

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    32. Re:Good for them by Gavagai80 · · Score: 1

      There is no likely scenario within the next billion years where it wouldn't make more sense to build an underground habitat than a space habitat, if survival of the species if your only concern. Space exploration and yes even colonization should be pursued in the name of adventure and inspiration, not by pretending it's the most logical way to save the species.

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    33. Re: Good for them by Maritz · · Score: 1

      Notice the "if". That makes the statement conditional. It's not a belief that I espouse. If you could read properly, it wouldn't need saying. My belief is that civilization will end in the next 100 years or so.

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    34. Re:Good for them by Maritz · · Score: 1

      In a word, nukes.

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    35. Re:Good for them by Maritz · · Score: 1

      If you think I'm talking about AGW then I'm afraid you're just a moron. Global warming is real, and it will damage the biosphere, but it won't end us. Nukes will end us.

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    36. Re: Good for them by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not to mention the weather satellites, including GOES-R, fantastic images. And the antis Cienega crowd hates it because it shows climate change and global warming is real.

    37. Re:Good for them by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The Terminator was a *movie*.

    38. Re:Good for them by GLMDesigns · · Score: 1

      Aren't you the pedantic one.

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    39. Re:Good for them by GLMDesigns · · Score: 1

      Global warming. I mean Climate Change isn't the only topic that relates to science. I, for one, am far more concerned with dioxins and other pollutants than I am about released CO2. Especially since carbon as an energy source is going to be greatly reduced over the next 20-40 years.

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    40. Re:Good for them by GLMDesigns · · Score: 1

      Take a look at the primaries and you'll see that wasn't so. They voted for him over Hillary but not over other Republicans. And the religious right is less than 20% of the Republican Party. It doesn't represent the party as a whole.

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    41. Re:Good for them by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wow. Typical self inflicted ignorance by someone fooling himself into thinking his view is enlightened because it lays further on a vector than views held by most. By most people who have considerable education and ability that is.

          Clearly you have no conception of just how dependent we are on the earth at this time. NO. I don't just mean our simple presence here. We rely upon the current earth chemistry to a huge degree. Our processing of about any metal is completely dependent upon it. It's chemistry so having a heat sink, active carbon cycle, plentiful water is just the start. Imagining we will just conjure up a complete chemistry cycle to create even the most rudimentary items for spaceflight in space itself without centuries of gradual effort is insane. That's if we can even get over the hump and create a metallurgical process that will work in a closed system for anything at all. I don't mean "oh look, we can heat things in a microwave." I mean start to finish metallurgy for any one metal where it won't kill the atmosphere budget of even the most palatial of space dwellings. Same goes for the energy, waste heat and water budgets. Simply put we've got nothing and there really isn't anything on the horizon to suggest we will have anything anytime soon.

      So enjoy your dreams. But don't confuse them with fact. Also don't consider your ignorance driven hallucination to make your views superior to even the average Joe that knows little. They are inferior. There is less than zero after all.

    42. Re:Good for them by strikethree · · Score: 1

      On the plaque which the Apollo 11 mission left on the moon in 1969, it says, "We came in peace for all mankind."

      Every time I think about that plaque and the words on it, I get a tear in my eye. This is a perfect example of why Americans believe in America the country (not the government of America).

      Life consciously chose to exit the gravity well in which it had evolved in and touched the Universe itself outside of life's birth place. This is easily the most amazing thing that has ever happened up to this point in history... and it was not "my country did it", it was, "we (as in all humans) did it".

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    43. Re:Good for them by WrongMonkey · · Score: 1

      Even if there were full nuclear exchange with 15,000 nuclear warheads raining down across the planet, Earth would still be the most habitable planet in the solar system. There is no plausible scenario where colonizing another would would be easier or cheaper than rebuilding society on Earth.

    44. Re: Good for them by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'll be back anyway.

    45. Re:Good for them by WindBourne · · Score: 1

      You are overrated.
      30 years ago, America owned the commercial launches, which allowed us to launch massive numbers. Then the shuttle, combined with ULA, conspired to allow Russia and Europe to take over the Commercial launches. Now, SpaceX owns 2/3 of the commercial launch, and once BO hits that market, it will lead to competition that is designed to lower our costs even further.
      At the same time, we are quickly moving towards private space. Now, you may not like it, but with the bulk of the commercial launches happening in America, combined with the vast majority of commercial sat building (one-way is coming on line now) about to start-up in America (98% of all sats that have been made, are about to be , made in America), combined with an inflatable private space station, I would say that is who we are.

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    46. Re:Good for them by WindBourne · · Score: 1

      Actually, MAGA hate is very anti-science. Just like the far left is.
      The far right continues to deny AGW, amongst other things.
      The idea that you can restart coal would indicate that not only do you not believe in AGW (science), but do not understand how capitalism works. Coal has been diminishing in America DUE TO CAPITALISM. And this will continue so that by 2020, less than 15% of our electricity will come from coal. Maybe less.

      Time for your far righties to start thinking since you have obviously shut down on it.

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    47. Re:Good for them by WindBourne · · Score: 1

      sadly, so few ppl understand this. The same illogical ppl that knock India or Brazil for having space programs, are the same sets of idiots that say that we must take care of earth first. Yet, many of our solutions are tied together.

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    48. Re:Good for them by GLMDesigns · · Score: 1

      You miss the point about coal. It's not coal per se. It's about blue collar jobs. It's about the contempt that city folk have for country folk; that all they need is to be retrained; that if they, too, become hipster sophisticates then all would be good.

      This foolishness opposing the pipelines is a clear example of this bs.

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  4. On the One Hand... by sycodon · · Score: 1

    ...China has made impressive advancements in technology (I'll let you argue how that happened).

    On the other, they have persistently shown that state propaganda goals are a higher priority than safety.

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    1. Re:On the One Hand... by hey! · · Score: 2

      Well, not caring much about safety will be a cost savings, not that they need it. China's current GDP is 9x larger than the US GDP was in 1969. That and given that technology has made many things cheaper, and the general outlines of how to do it have been proven, and it should be very feasible for them to mount an impressive mission.

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    2. Re:On the One Hand... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That is from 21 years ago, when mobile phones cost an arm and a torso, weighted more than a dog and had about the same processing capacity as a pocket calculator. Read: it's oooooooold news.

      How's about a more recent data point to support your assertion?

    3. Re:On the One Hand... by istartedi · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I don't think the Chinese will cut corners on this one. It's one thing to make a piece of military equipment cheaper and accept higher casualties. It's a different ball game in space. You can just throw more soldiers into a battle. You can't just throw more astronauts at the Moon. They're worth too much. It's not *just* a human life on the line. It's the cost to their international prestige and the value of contracting services to other nations. We don't use Soyuz rockets just to save money. They're also one of the most (the most?) reliable man-rated boosters. I'm sure the Chinese would love to have a business like that.

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    4. Re:On the One Hand... by WindBourne · · Score: 1

      we are using Soyuz rockets because we do not have a choice.
      Once we have a choice, that will stop.

      And while I have issues with putin and trump, I am hopeful that Russia will be part of the lunar mission.

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  5. Not much different by sjbe · · Score: 2

    On the other, they have persistently shown that state propaganda goals are a higher priority than safety.

    That would be no different than the current US president.

    1. Re:Not much different by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Or any previous US president in recent history.

    2. Re:Not much different by Maritz · · Score: 1

      Seems more like Turmp is interested in 'safety' to the detriment of literally everything else. Hell, he has to make up imaginary terrorist attacks, he's that keen on 'safety'.

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    3. Re:Not much different by WindBourne · · Score: 1

      really?
      What recent president has thrown astronauts safety away to get missions to happen?
      Or are you just another lying tea-bagger/neo-con type.

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    4. Re:Not much different by WindBourne · · Score: 1

      u mistake racism for safety.

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  6. Joke's on them by frovingslosh · · Score: 0, Troll

    The joke will be o them when they find out humans can't survive above low earth orbit or pass through the Van Allen belt.

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    1. Re:Joke's on them by Maritz · · Score: 1

      Already happened a bunch of times. (six?) SpaceX will be sending a pair of rich twats around the moon in 2018, be sure to come back then and post about how they couldn't get through the Van Allen belt.

      Oh, and stop getting your science from shitty Fox documentaries. The moon landings happened and only tinfoil hat dickheads think otherwise.

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    2. Re:Joke's on them by iris-n · · Score: 1

      And after they do land in the Moon you will no doubt invent new conspiracy theories to deny it.

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    3. Re:Joke's on them by frovingslosh · · Score: 0

      You should let NASA know: https://www.youtube.com/watch?...

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    4. Re:Joke's on them by tinkerton · · Score: 1

      When the Chinese return they'll will finally show us footage of all the studios we built there to film the moon landings. For real.

    5. Re:Joke's on them by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I have seen the video and he says we don't go past the van Allen belt with the ISS, which is true. This has nothing to do with the Appollo mission (nor with any other mission, BTW).

      Also, in one related video -- talking about the flatness of Earth -- a guy talks about a 7.2 degrees angle measured by Eratosthenes as if it were the angle between two Sun rays directed at the two cities he considered. Well, that's not correct, me thinks. AFAIU that is the angle between two radiuses coming from the center of the Earth to both cities. If so, it even gives the approximate correct size for Earth's radius (that is, assuming the Earth is an sphere).

      Another video claims it's not possible to circumnavigate the Earth along a meridian. I believe that has already been done and, in fact, is one of the way to travel faster to some destinations (which is called "Polar Route").

      Another video claims the North Pole is at the center of the known world and that Antarctica is all around the whole thing (like a rim).

      Well, someone is doing a circumnavigation of Antarctica: http://spi-ace-expedition.ch/

      If you can go around something, doesn't it mean you went around a center point? Which would also mean Antarctica is a convex polygon...

      It's very hard to prove the Earth is flat, it seems.

    6. Re:Joke's on them by frovingslosh · · Score: 1

      OK. I hear you. You are saying that there are some nonsense videos on the Internet, therefore no video can be trusted, not even ones made by NASA engineers. Thanks for clearing that up.

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    7. Re:Joke's on them by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > You are saying that there are some nonsense videos on the Internet,

      Yep.

      > therefore no video can be trusted,

      Logic won't allow that generalization, but sorry for grouping you with flat Earthers. That was uncalled for and I apologize.

      > not even ones made by NASA engineers. ... yes, anybody can make mistakes, though NASA has an excellent reputation.

      BTW, the van Allen belts is not the main worry. We are kind of unprotected in space, because the belts (and their protection) ends. This is the real problem, but that won't prevent us from traveling to the Moon. More exposure could be hazardous in the long term, but there have been ideas like creating an artificial belt for Mars, for instance.

      > Thanks for clearing that up.

      Actually, I don't know much, but I'm fairly confident we will create ways to overcome the health and technical problems which make space travel difficult. Also, I don't believe the van Allen belts are an impediment to our exploration. Finally, being inside the belts give us an extra protection which we don't have outside them.

      You were talking like the belts themselves were "nec plus ultra" and that seems not to be the case, since we sent lots of things to other planets already.

  7. Rip out American Flag by coinreturn · · Score: 3, Funny

    I think it'd be funny if they decided that they would rip out the American Flag and put theirs in it's place. What you going to do about it, bitch?

    1. Re:Rip out American Flag by fiannaFailMan · · Score: 1

      I think it'd be funny if they decided that they would rip out the American Flag and put theirs in it's place. What you going to do about it, bitch?

      The American flags on the moon would all be bleached white by now.

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    2. Re:Rip out American Flag by arth1 · · Score: 1

      I think it would be funny if they brought back some of the items left on the moon, and which were subsequently sold in auctions, like a Hasselblad camera.

    3. Re:Rip out American Flag by GameboyRMH · · Score: 1

      I wonder if China will use a flag with structural colors.

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    4. Re:Rip out American Flag by HornWumpus · · Score: 0

      They turned into French flags decades ago.

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    5. Re:Rip out American Flag by frovingslosh · · Score: 1

      Even if there is a god and an Easter Bunny and we made it ti the moon 48 years ago, you don't get to plant a flag, abandon the place, and then get indignant if someone else gets there and tries to claim it. In addition to stupid statements that the U.S. made at the time, we failed to colonize the moon. If you want to claim ownership of a place you have got to go in and kill the natives and start exploiting it. We dropped the ball on any claim to the moon. Get over it.

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    6. Re:Rip out American Flag by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Or instead bring a bit of red and yellow paint...

    7. Re:Rip out American Flag by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      I'd bring it back and hand it to Trump. "Found this, thought you might want it."

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      const int one = 65536; (Silvermoon, Texture.cs)
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    8. Re:Rip out American Flag by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      Even better, just say "We went where they said they landed, and there was nothing. Whole thing must have been hoax."

      Give it a week to let the conspiracy theorists go nuts, then tweet "LOL jk".

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      const int one = 65536; (Silvermoon, Texture.cs)
      SJW, n: "Someone I don't like, and by the way I'm a fuckwit" - AC
  8. Re:Astronaut Names... by Maritz · · Score: 1

    Don't give up the day job buddy

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    I do not want your cheap brainburning drugs. They are useless for work. And I am a working man today.
  9. And it's only by kilodelta · · Score: 1

    Forty eight years after the United States did it. That seems to always be the case with China. For example nuclear weaponry - we had it in 1945 - they got it thirty years later.

    1. Re:And it's only by coastwalker · · Score: 2

      Presumably this explains why you posted this comment on an iPhone made in China? Get real, the tech playing-field is tilting away from the West if anything. This is cultural will power, whilst you are busy building a wall against the Mexicans the Chinese will be on the moon advertising for business and guess where everybody will be going shopping?

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      Facts are history now plebs have politics for religion on social media.
    2. Re:And it's only by angel'o'sphere · · Score: 3, Informative

      Looks more like twenty: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

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      Cost free eBook I read (by iBook/Kobo/Amazon/ObookO/Gutenberg etc.): "The Green Odyssey" by Philip Jose Farmer.
    3. Re:And it's only by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Maybe you should hurry to end the Great Wall that Trump mentioned. China's was made about 400 years ago.

    4. Re: And it's only by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And the Chinese wall didn't help! The emperor opened the gate, and Khan walked in. And killed all the men and raped the women.

    5. Re:And it's only by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      China's wall was to keep outsiders in. Mongolian raiders could cross the wall going south, sure, but with a strong army unit at the breach the Chinese more mobile forces could pin the raiders against the wall, where they could either be wiped out or desperately scale the wall with no loot.

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      "When you have eliminated the unacceptable, whatever is left, however improbable, must be the truthiness" - Holmes
  10. I welcome this by Zontar_Thing_From_Ve · · Score: 2

    I welcome this and hope they do it because as the film "Gravity" explicitly said and the recent National Geographic series "Mars" implied if you read between the lines (the first crew to go to Mars had a Russian on it but the only Asian was Korean American... hmmm....) it's going to take this before the US ever gets serious again about manned exploration of space.

    1. Re:I welcome this by Baloroth · · Score: 2

      Manned exploration of the Moon is honestly kinda pointless. It's close enough that signal delay isn't an issue for robots, and that's one of, maybe even the *only*, advantage humans have over robots for exploration. Robots are cheaper, simpler, lighter, less fragile, easier to handle, and less likely to malfunction. Even in the 60s manned Moon missions were as much a pissing match between the US and USSR as they were a valid scientific goal. Now, if they send people to the Moon and keep them there for extended periods of time (weeks to months), I'll be impressed, and cheering them on the whole way. Long-term manned space travel, with the eventual goal of colonization, is a practically necessary step forwards in human development. Mars has some attractive aspects over the Moon, but colonization of it is well outside our capability in the near future. But we could have a long-term lunar scientific colony operating right now, if we really wanted to, and it's almost an embarrassment to mankind that we don't, nearly 50 years after Apollo 11.

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      "None can love freedom heartily, but good men; the rest love not freedom, but license." --John Milton
    2. Re:I welcome this by religionofpeas · · Score: 1

      But we could have a long-term lunar scientific colony operating right now, if we really wanted to, and it's almost an embarrassment to mankind that we don't, nearly 50 years after Apollo 11.

      Not really. It would have cost a great deal of money for comparably little scientific value.

    3. Re:I welcome this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Manned exploration of the Moon is honestly kinda pointless.
      The point of space exploration is to get humans off this rock! We need to get out there and expand for our species to survive long-term. Robots are nice little toys, but the real goal is to make humanity eternal.

    4. Re:I welcome this by Oswald+McWeany · · Score: 1

      A mars colony would never work. We all know men are from Mars and women are from venus. You need both to have a self-sustaining colony.

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      "That's the way to do it" - Punch
    5. Re:I welcome this by balbeir · · Score: 1

      On the other hand the Iraq war had an enormous amount of scientific value. Money well spent !

    6. Re:I welcome this by thinkwaitfast · · Score: 1

      Humans need to merge with computers and become pure energy so that we can become eternal.

      How's that for another whacked out idea that has an almost infinite higher probability of succeeding. Stop watching so much tv and take some upper division physics classes.

    7. Re:I welcome this by Gavagai80 · · Score: 1

      People are inspired by astronauts and dream of becoming one. That's a big point. You might as well say art is pointless.

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    8. Re:I welcome this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Pick one. You can't merge with computers AND also become pure energy. Besides, why assimilate yourself into an inferior technology?

  11. Re:Astronaut Names... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Too late. He's here all week.

  12. Security vs security theater by sjbe · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Seems more like Turmp is interested in 'safety' to the detriment of literally everything else.

    Trump has no interest in actual safety. He has a strong interest in "security" theater. Big difference between the two. One keeps us safe and the other keeps him elected. He cares about the later. Putting a wall on the US/Mexico border will do almost nothing for safety but it will do a lot to make paranoid conservatives happy.

    1. Re:Security vs security theater by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Posting AC...

      Why the hell a wall? For that cost, one could make a bunch of drones that just watch an area and then call the border patrol people when someone intrudes. Done right, it is the same protection, with a lot less of an environmental impact.

      Take the cost savings and use it for infrastructure and perhaps some better diplomatic relationships with Mexico... Mexico's economy is booming, and is 15'th in the world for GDP. Might even be wise to set up a Schengen Agreement allowing for US/Canada/Mexico free travel. This would make Baja California boom, and benefit all three nations.

    2. Re: Security vs security theater by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      We are so glad you have Trump all figgered out for us. Thanks!!

    3. Re:Security vs security theater by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Because a wall gives you bonuses towards great generals and keeps barbarians out.

    4. Re:Security vs security theater by Tablizer · · Score: 1

      You are trying to use logic to figure out Trump?

      Proof of a manned mission: you just arrived from another planet.

  13. Time for Trump to beat them and beat them to mars by Joe_Dragon · · Score: 1

    Time for Trump to beat them and beat them to mars!!

  14. Re:Time for Trump to beat them and beat them to ma by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    Time for Trump to beat them and beat them to mars!!

    Agreed. I for one would love to see him go. :-)

  15. moon success inversely proprtional to space progs by micahraleigh · · Score: 0

    The more space programs the less likely a human is to ever set foot on the moon again.

    In other words, the more people are talking about it the less anyone is actually doing it.

    The 60's were an unusual time where people believed in Jesus, did what he told them to do, worked as if they were motivated, and cared about each other. When that eroded the government failed to replace it with anything that made any kind of difference.

    Anyway, I'm not sure what good a space program will ever do any ordinary person, so I say can it and let people pocket their tax money.

  16. Pointless walls by sjbe · · Score: 2

    Why the hell a wall?

    Because it makes a bunch of racist, idiot conservatives think they are solving an actual problem. People coming here to work - the horror... Ironically they could keep all the brown skinned people out much more effectively by helping Mexico boost their economy. They come here because there aren't jobs back home. What we should worry about is if the immigrants stop wanting to come here.

    Done right, it is the same protection, with a lot less of an environmental impact.

    Conservatives don't generally give much a shit about environmental impact. They think clean air is nothing more than a liberal plot to cost them their jobs.

    Mexico's economy is booming,

    Mexico's economy is something of a mixed bag and is significantly dependent on oil prices. It's a good sized economy but has rather drastic inequality between rich and poor. Those poor are the ones coming to the US because of limited opportunities back home.

    Might even be wise to set up a Schengen Agreement allowing for US/Canada/Mexico free travel.

    WAY too much racism and paranoia in the USA for that to be realistic though I agree it isn't a bad idea. There really isn't much point in having a guarded border between the US and Canada either.

    1. Re:Pointless walls by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You think conservatives are bad, you should see how the Mexicans treat the Guatemalans.

  17. Re: Astronaut Names... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Also: the veal sux.

  18. We left the keys in it... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I love and hate this commercial. https://www.youtube.com/watch?...

  19. Sounds Expensive by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Thank you WalMart shoppers.

  20. Bets, anyone? by Rick+Schumann · · Score: 1

    Anyone want to take a bet the Chinese will try to claim they 'own' part of the moon (if not the whole thing), just because they landed on it and planted a flag, regardless of any international agreements to the contrary? South China Sea, the Moon, what's the difference, right? Just 'build' something on it, and stand there with a rifle claiming it's yours now, right?

    Old and busted: The Middle East, Ukraine, ISIS
    New hotness: Moonwars

    1. Re:Bets, anyone? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Historically, the moon has always been part of the Chinese empire. Emperor Xjaki Chan first claimed the moon as part of the Chinese empire in 300AD when most western civilizations were not yet established. China has a long standing president for owning the moon and you Westerners would best realise that. Why do you think you've never been back? It's because China expressed their ownership rights to the west and the west cowered in fear.

      The moon belongs to China and always has despite any western propaganda to the contrary.

    2. Re:Bets, anyone? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If they put a fence up there who's gonna kick it down? As soon as somebody does? BOOSH you got borders, just like this fucked up mudball.

      Universal friendship & cooperation my ass, humans are way too greedy for that shit

    3. Re:Bets, anyone? by Rick+Schumann · · Score: 2

      Stopped reading at 'president', you mook; the word is PRECEDENT.

      Oh, and by the way, I forgot to mention: We (the U.S.) has already been there, repeatedly, and we left our flag planted there. We could lay claim to the Moon if we really wanted to, but we wanted to play nice with everyone else.

      Now, get your crap out of the South China Sea already; NOT YOURS, EITHER.

    4. Re:Bets, anyone? by thinkwaitfast · · Score: 1

      NO, but I'll bet that they don't.

  21. updated by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    There will be fire. What happens if China puts a city the size of NYC on the moon, and is the only nation to do so? Could they dominate all of terrestrial access to space including to Mars? If nuclear weapons go optical/beam (think star wars), then the moon returns to being a strategic high-ground. Don't go killing civilians.

    1. Re:updated by Oswald+McWeany · · Score: 2

      There will be fire. What happens if China puts a city the size of NYC on the moon, and is the only nation to do so? Could they dominate all of terrestrial access to space including to Mars? If nuclear weapons go optical/beam (think star wars), then the moon returns to being a strategic high-ground. Don't go killing civilians.

      The moon would be almost like a star of death if that happened. We would have to team up with Ewoks to take down the shielding protecting it and destroy the moon.

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      "That's the way to do it" - Punch
  22. Actually a good thing by argStyopa · · Score: 1

    ...with Trump's ego driven presidency, this news might be *just* what we needed to see substantial actual presidential pressure to advance the US space program.

    Sometimes the cards just fall right.

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    -Styopa
  23. Preproduction filming by Provocateur · · Score: 1

    Filming will begin this summer, giving enough time for "moon landing" conspiracy theorists to sow the seeds of doubt and uncertainty coupled with a healthy dose of conviction.

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    WARNING: Smartphones have side effects--most of them undocumented.
    1. Re:Preproduction filming by supremebob · · Score: 1

      It would be nice of the Chinese could land in the same location(s) as the US did just to prove that we were there first.

      You know, for those people who don't believe that we put a mirror up there and we have been bouncing laser beams off of it to accurately measure the distance of the moon from us.

  24. Re:6 like 3 by Grishnakh · · Score: 1, Informative

    60s-era NASA astronauts couldn't be any taller than 5'11". Gus Grissom was only 5'5"; quite tiny if you ask me. Americans in general back then weren't that tall, and looking around me (I'm over 6') they still all look short to me, especially on the east coast.

  25. Re:moon success inversely proprtional to space pro by Grishnakh · · Score: 1

    The 60's were an unusual time where people believed in Jesus, did what he told them to do, worked as if they were motivated, and cared about each other.

    So the way they kept black people from voting, and beat them mercilessly when they tried to peacefully walk across a bridge, that was people doing what Jesus told them to do and caring about each other?

  26. I thought they did that already? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Let me guess;just 10 years away?

  27. China, could you please... by Seor+Jojoba · · Score: 1

    Please clean up your space debris mess while you're up there? You know... from the time you blew up your own satellite like ridiculous assholes? Thank you.

    1. Re:China, could you please... by ghoul · · Score: 1

      They should have blown up a US satellite. Than the EPA would have made the owner do the cleanup which would be the US govt in that case.

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      **Life is too short to be serious**
  28. One Day, Alice ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    One day
    Pow!
    In the kisser
    To the moon, Alice
    To the moon

  29. A new space race... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I think this is awesome... good for them. May I suggest we (humanity) abandon our military race and instead join a new space race.

    Lets get that Moon base going, build a space elevator, and get to Mars, and do all the other things we should be doing instead of wasting money developing new and ingenious ways to kill each other.

    Yes, I like to dream.

  30. Frist step by Trogre · · Score: 1

    First step when they get there:

    Kick over the American flag.

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    "Nine times out of ten, starting a fire is not the best way to solve the problem." - my wife
  31. Artists impression by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    <|-) = a chinky

    (| = moon

  32. HERE is why a wall is needed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Presidents, senators, and house members of BOTH parties have gotten elected over the past several decades by promising a wall. They have raised taxes to pay for the wall. They have passed laws requiring the wall to be built (most recently in 2006 and with the support of both Hillary Clinton and Chuck Schumer). Bill Clinton famously campaigned with promises to deport illegals and secure the border.

    The political hacks and liars in BOTH PARTIES have been doing this and then not following-through for so many years that it is now utterly politically impossible to solve any immigration issue with any big "reform" bill - too many voters have come to believe any such bill is yet another lie that will provide another flood of illegals and NO security, just like the 1986 amnesty.

    Promises of a "virtual fence" or surveillance and drones etc in place of a real wall are also now known to be a lie. Barack Obama spent 8 years proving to voters that a president will flagrantly refuse to uphold his oath and enforce such non-physical barriers - Obama ordered border patrolmen who were SUPPOSED to be enforcing the border and keeping illegals from entering, to care for illegal children and do diaper duty etc and even become traffikers themselves by putting immigrants onto federally-funded flights to locations FURTHER inside the USA. Obama made it so NOBODY with a brain would ever trust a non-physical barrier

    The ONLY political path left to solve any illegal immigration problems is a solid physical barrier as promised by the creatures inhabiting Washington DC for the past 30 years. That's it. The time it takes to build a wall no longer matters, nor does the financial cost - the credibility of the entire federal government is now on the line. If no wall is built this time, there will likely be a large number of people who conclude that there is no way to get DC to behave and that armed rebellion is the only remaining option. Deceit can only be rewarded for so long before the peasants rebel and it's very sad that the US Federal government has been so two-faced on this issue for so long that it is no longer trusted on this subject. To be clear: NOBODY (including me) should want an armed uprising, but it is the historic norm that societies whose governments become this dishonest and dysfunctional eventually get overthrown.

    Whether you like the wall or hate the wall, at this point you should get on board with it as a necessary tool to restore the faith in government that is required to enable much needed immigration reform. Trump seems to get this, as illustrated by his numerous statements about getting criminal aliens out, building the wall and THEN reforming the system and finding a solution to the "dreamers". When congress last tried to do it all at once several years ago, the voters freaked-out at the obvious trickery and scared the congress away from the bill.

  33. Garbage by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You clearly lack any credible argument, as established by your poo-flinging (calling people racists).

    If a wall will not do anything about the millions of hispanics, asians, etc who are citizens of the country or are here on green cards, then how is it racist?

    While we're on the subject: "Hispanic" is not even a race (assuming you were stupidly presuming the wall was just aimed at one ethnicity and that it is targeting Hispanics. Consider:

    (a) Mexicans are technically of a number of "races" (assuming you thing there ARE different races, which I do not), have varying skin colors, and speak several different languages. This is also true of all the other peoples south of the USA

    (b) There are Mexicans who are nearly pure descendants of the original Asian immigrants and who speak various little-known languages NOT Spanish.

    (c) There are Mexicans who are a mix of locals and the Spaniards who took over centuries ago and who therefore speack Spanish - making many of them every bit as European as most "white" Americans.

    (d) Many immigrants sneaking over the US southern border are from further south and have only transited through Mexico.

    (e) Immigrants from places like Argentina and Brazil have ancetry and languages etc tracing back to Germany and other European nations, making THEM no more "Hispanic" or "Mexican" than somebody from Japan.

    Tell me: Why do you people who demand open US borders and unlimited immigration while calling any opponent a racist never apply that standard to a non-majority-white county? I have never heard a leftist denounce Japan, China, South Korea, any African Nation, etc as "Racist" even though many of them are more homogenous and more resistant to dissimilar immigrants than the US is. I have never heard a leftist demand that Mexico have "open borders" allowing white Americans to flood in and get involved in politics, demand free schooling and healthcare etc. (Mexico does not allow white people or black people from the USA to own land in their country, and is very strict on immigration)

  34. No women? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    A few days after the birthday of Valentina Tereshkova, and you're still using that 60s/70s "manned spaceflight" thing..

    Human spaceflight, if you please.

  35. Time to start building a monument? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Never too early to start building a monument to the brave astronauts that will lose their lives in this endeavour.. unless they press-gang their Apple, Dell, etc. guests to provide a modicum of quality discipline to th eprogram.

  36. Re:moon success inversely proprtional to space pro by micahraleigh · · Score: 1

    Well, that was in the South, which was run by the democrats back then.

    You know, the same democrats who seceded from the country because they wanted to keep their slavery.

    The only democrat I know from that era who wan't a racist was JFK who, you know, believed in limited government, limited taxes and (to come full circle) started the Apollo program.

  37. Re:moon success inversely proprtional to space pro by Grishnakh · · Score: 1

    What do Democrats have to do with anything? You're the one trying to claim the 60s were some kind of wonderful time when "people cared about each other". I simply proved you wrong.

  38. Re:Chomp by WindBourne · · Score: 1

    only if you are dumb enough to let your food float freely so that it destroys your computers and other electronics.

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  39. Re:moon success inversely proprtional to space pro by micahraleigh · · Score: 1

    "Proof" is a word that has no basis in anything outside math.

    I'm saying your claims are only true for a slim exception of cases, which will always exist with any generalization as with this case and the racist Democrats.

  40. 3....2...1... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Ground control to Major Chong...