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Enemy Number One is Netflix: The Monster That's Eating Hollywood (business-standard.com)

From a WSJ report: Tara Flynn, a rising star at a TV production unit of 21st Century Fox, walked into her boss's office last August and told him she was quitting and joining streaming-video giant Netflix Inc. The news was not well-received. "Netflix is public enemy No. 1," said Bert Salke, the head of Fox 21 Television Studios, where Ms. Flynn was a vice president, according to a Netflix legal filing. When Netflix finalized Ms. Flynn's hire a few weeks later, Fox sued, accusing it of a "brazen campaign" to poach Fox executives. In response, Netflix argued Fox's contracts are "unlawful and unenforceable." The ongoing legal battle is just one sign of the escalating tensions between Netflix and Hollywood as the streaming-video company moves from being an upstart dabbling in original programming to a big-spending entertainment powerhouse that will produce more than 70 shows this year. It is expanding into new genres such as children's fare, reality TV and stand-up comedy specials -- including a $40 million deal for two shows by Chris Rock. The shift has unnerved some TV networks that had become used to Netflix's original content being focused on scripted dramas and sitcoms. Netflix's spending on original and acquired programming this year is expected to be more than $6 billion, up from $5 billion last year, more than double what Time Warner Inc.'s HBO spends and five times as much as 21st Century Fox's FX or CBS Corp.'s Showtime.

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  1. Good. by OffaMyLawn · · Score: 5, Interesting

    At least the majority of what Netflix is doing is actual original programming. Hollywood needs someone to kick them swiftly in the ass and stop doing remakes of old shows and movies (some of which aren't actually old, Matrix reboot?)

    Their Marvel based offerings are quite good, and Stranger Things is phenomenal.

    Amazon is creating some genuinely entertaining original content as well. I think it's time for a changing of the guard.

    1. Re:Good. by postbigbang · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Oh, poor Hollywood. Got some competition. The MPAA might have to change their draconian thinking.

      Hollywood hasn't had a new idea in decades. Whether it's Netflix, Amazon, whoever, I hope they eat Hollywood's lunch and burp afterwards. The sooner, the better.

      Then the TV networks will have to look at their tawdry monopoly and figure out how to compete with both the cord cutters and those that aren't going to use an antenna anymore. Oh dear. Here, let me see if my heart bleeds for them. Nope.

      Hollywood and the networks had a nice long run. Goodbye.

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    2. Re:Good. by citizenr · · Score: 5, Interesting

      cable companies have fantastic metrics, there is a reason cable card died - they want you to use their spying always logged in cable box. It tracks every channel switch, every mute, every volume change.

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    3. Re:Good. by OffaMyLawn · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I don't know if it's so much that they're not appealing to new content creators or that they're afraid to take the risks investing in new IP.

      My guess would be a mixture of both. They're probably not actively seeking people looking to launch new properties, and when someone offers up something new and original those ideas are probably met with a mountain of skepticism and dread that they're going to lose their investment.

      Look at all the barriers that were put in the way of creating Deadpool. From a terribly screwed up version in Origins: Wolverine, to Ryan Reynolds having a terrible history in superhero movies (Green Lantern was...painful.) It took some serious fighting to get that movie made, and made right, despite the character himself having a relatively sizable fan base.

      Sometimes I think the creators think the battle isn't worth it, and sometimes the studios think the risk isn't worth it. Both combined have given us the situation we have today, but thankfully we have Netflix and Amazon willing to pick up the slack.

    4. Re:Good. by cayenne8 · · Score: 4, Interesting
      Per the article:

      It is expanding into new genres such as children's fare, reality TV and stand-up comedy specials

      PLEASE Netflix, don't go down the route of fscking "reality tv"....please....

      If it gets overrun by reality crap, I"ll drop netflix.

      Hell, if they ever syndicate something awful like the existing kardashain shit out there, I"ll possibly pull the plug on NF.

      I like a lot of what NF is doing, I do wish they'd get back a little more of the commercial movie stuff, but in all I'm fairly happy with their offerings.

      But geez, "reality" tv type stuff has ruined what used to be good networks.

      DIY...dead to reality stuff, no longer DIY stuff.

      Cooking Channel and FoodTV...I rarely see a show on there where someone actually cooks recipes to show and educate the view...it is some fucking contest or reality type cooking thing.

      More and more seems to fall to this crap and it makes me sick.

      The latest victim I've heard about, is the show I really used to like to watch, Wheeler Dealers on the Velocity channel.

      The main part of the show, was with Edd China doing the mechanical work and explaining what was going on.

      Well, apparently a US company has bought them off, and was going to cut the actual "meat" of the show drastically....and I envisioned, having Edd and Mike argue like the fucking Tuttle's did on that chopper show...?

      I respect Edd...who QUIT the show. I'll not be watching it anymore.

      So, Netflix...keep up the good work and leave the CRAP reality/contest shows to the regular networks that are rapidly becoming non-relavent anymore to anyone that wants to view something worth watching.

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  2. Good by MightyMartian · · Score: 4, Interesting

    The film and TV industry have been in a stasis for decades. TV, in particular, hasn't really changed significantly since the early 1960s, and Hollywood has basically functioned the same way since the collapse of the Studio System. It's time for a big shake up and if companies like Netflix and Amazon can deliver that shakeup, then so be it.

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    1. Re:Good by TWX · · Score: 4, Interesting

      TV has changed though. TV seemed to have mostly avoided the serialized nature of shows from the movie houses and radio programs ending on a cliff-hanger, "Tune in next time to find out what happens!" to an episodic format where each individual program told a whole story that was reasonably self-contained. One could enjoy the show without having to know too much about what happened previously, so the threshold for new viewers was low. Unfortunately for the studio this also meant that it was easy for viewers to stop watching the show if the quality took a dip, as there was no need to find out where the plot or arc was going. Obviously not all TV followed this model (thinking of soap operas in particular) but if you look at shows like M*A*S*H or The Honeymooners or Star Trek or The Odd Couple you find most episodes are self-contained, and that it's fairly rare for most stories to directly span more than one episode. Even if characters change out it doesn't affect the ability to start watching.

      Sometime in the nineties this shifted, and TV became serialized like those old radio shows and old movie house pre-movie filler shows. There were some elements introduced and resolved in a single episode but a lot more of the plot, if not most of the plot, directly tied into a long-term direction that the season or the whole show was building toward. It's a lot harder to just pick up a show like this, but if the studio manages to attract an audience then that audience might stick around for more episodes even if some are subpar along the way because they want that conclusion that appears to be coming. PVRs and streaming the existing episodes helps make it easier for the viewer to get into the show in the first place.

      I prefer the episodic model, as I don't feel compelled to watch if I don't want to, and I don't worry if I miss an episode or if I watch them out of original order. Unfortunately this model is increasingly relegated to half-hour sitcoms, and anything with dramatic content is now serialized whether it needs to be or not.

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    2. Re:Good by Daetrin · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I prefer the episodic model, as I don't feel compelled to watch if I don't want to, and I don't worry if I miss an episode or if I watch them out of original order. Unfortunately this model is increasingly relegated to half-hour sitcoms, and anything with dramatic content is now serialized whether it needs to be or not.

      Everything you say is a very valid concern for the old model. There are a number of shows i stopped watching because i missed enough episodes that i didn't feel like i'd know what was going on currently. Some of those i would try to catch up later on DVD, but that means you're now running at least a season behind, especially since back in the day it took forever for TV shows to come out on video.

      However Netflix actually does away with a lot of the downsides of such serialized content. If it's on Netflix (or Hulu, or Crunchyroll) you start the show when you want, watch as much as you want, and wait as long as you want between episodes without worrying about missing anything. (Well, barring breakdowns in license negotiation, but that's not an issue with their in-house content.)

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  3. If they really want to piss Fox off.. by Sri+Ramkrishna · · Score: 5, Interesting

    They should do a Firefly spinoff or actually do Firefly and then make it one of the most successful blockbuster shows in the 'verse.

    1. Re:If they really want to piss Fox off.. by Baron_Yam · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Use the 'verse and make an anthology series. The actors are less expensive if you don't keep them too long.

  4. Lack of originality did the deed. by gurps_npc · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Go look at Hollywood movies and try to find one that is not:

    1) a Remake
    2) a Sequel
    3) Based on a book/videogame or similar items.

    And traditional TV isn't much better - Riverdale, Lethal Weapon, Supergirl, etc. etc.

    Now check out Netflix's stuff.

    Yes, Netflix is pumping money into it - because they are making more money than Hollywood because they are MAKING GOOD, ORIGINAL SHOWS.

    Don't blame the winner for earning more money and reinvesting it. Blame the loser for losing their market share.

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    1. Re:Lack of originality did the deed. by ravenshrike · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Training Day was actually shaping up to be pretty decent, if formulaic. Then Paxton died.

  5. Well blame Hollywood for creating their own enemy by UnknowingFool · · Score: 5, Interesting

    The only reason Netflix makes their own content is they were being squeezed by Hollywood for higher and higher licensing fees. Back in 2011, when Netflix had to raise fees for streaming and mail-in service to cope with raising licensing fees, their customers revolted. So Netflix did two things: 1) split their business into two with DVD mailing separate from streaming and 2) offer fewer and more outdated movies. However content stagnated. I suppose that Netflix could have shown TV shows in syndication but that would not distinguish themselves enough from other players or even cable. Creating their own content was the only to keep themselves relevant in the streaming business. Netflix started with TV shows like abandoned properties (Arrested Development) and original new TV shows (Orange is the New Black) which has brought in many new and returning customers. Now they are branching into films.

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  6. Massive presumption by JustNiz · · Score: 2, Interesting

    The article is based on one massive, ludicruous presumption that we all actually want Hollywood to survive.
    Hollywood clearly have a stranglehold on the market, but the only output they can create is mindless, formulaic dross aimed at the lowest-common-denominator. They are also a breeding ground for radical left-wing socialists, scientologists, and talentless, shallow, manufactured "celebrities" that are famous just for their "lifestyle", not for actually achieving anything of real merit.
    I say the world, especially the US, would be a MUCH better place totally without Hollywood.

  7. Re:Old business models don't die, they are killed by ravenshrike · · Score: 4, Interesting

    What's really amusing about the B&N/Amazon thing is that as B&N falters against Amazon(I will point out that TradPub is as big of a problem for B&N here as anything they're actually doing wrong) the tiny bookstores that B&N pushed out of the market are starting to come back. They won't thrive nearly as well as they used to of course, but they'll at least exist.

  8. They have the audiance already... by BlueCoder · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Finally a company ready to actually spend money and do the right thing by their customers.

    Netflix is sending a message to all the old guard cable stations. They can and will cut out the middle man. They will not be extorted for content.

    You keep trying to milk us more and more... fine, we'll make the shows ourselves.

    It also wouldn't surprise me if netflix started up a sister company to cover and stream sports. More likely to partner with a company already in the biz though.

  9. Re:Well blame Hollywood for creating their own ene by timholman · · Score: 5, Interesting

    The only reason Netflix makes their own content is they were being squeezed by Hollywood for higher and higher licensing fees.

    Exactly so. The Law of Unintended Consequences in a nutshell. The networks and studios decided to shut down Netflix and monetize their old movies and TV shows on their own. And for a while, it worked. Netflix lost subscribers, and their movie selection was absolutely abysmal. But unlike the networks and studios, Netflix was able to adapt, and it became exactly the type of company that the networks and studios could no longer hurt.

    It's such a pleasure to watch Hollywood being devoured by the monster it created.

  10. Re:Innovation by UnknowingFool · · Score: 3, Interesting

    And what would you have done instead? When Netflix launched their streaming service on browser in 2007, do you know how many TV appliances like AppleTV existed? Just AppleTV. That was it; there was no Roku, there was not Amazon Stick. There was no Chromecast. Sure they got themselves onto Blu-ray players and that took time as well. These days, the browser doesn't make as much sense as it did when Netflix first launched.

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  11. This is actually dangerous by MobyDisk · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I know everyone wants to back the little guy, but Netflix is actually recreating the very monopolies we are trying to break-up:

    The common complaint about cable was that they bundled everything together. You had to pay a monthly fee, you couldn't pick your channels a la carte, and if you wanted to watch "Game Of Thrones" you had to subscribe to HBO and pay monthly, even for just one show. In addition, nobody liked having to pay for cable TV & internet both, since it felt like the same service from the same company. Then to make matters worse, you had to buy HBO on cable just to stream the show on HBO's web site, which made no sense. (HBO might have fixed this, but the same goes for other channels, and sporting events.) This drove piracy mainstream.

    But the bigger issue is that telecommunications companies are buying out content providers. This merging is dangerous, because a telecom company controlling say, a media news outlet, can't be unbiased. And there is nothing to stop them from offering certain content on their networks only.

    Netflix threatened to break that all up. I could buy my internet from anyone, subscribe to Netflix, and have so much content we didn't need cable TV. We no longer paid for TV "channels" we didn't need. But then Amazon Prime came along, and then we needed to buy Netflix + Amazon. Oh, and buy Hulu for your TV watching. So now, we need to again buy all these services in order to have access to a full catalog of content. We are back to premium TV channels again. But at least we gained our a la carte stations!

    But if Amazon and Netflix start to offer exclusive content, we get back to the media companies (Amazon, Netflix) being content providers too. I want to watch just one show, and I have to subscribe to Netflix. I's the HBO Game-of-thrones scenario all over again.

    The solution is, and has been for 40+ years, to break apart the monopolies. We must separate content delivery companies from content creating companies. That no longer just means the telecom monopolies shouldn't be content providers, but it also means the streaming companies can't be content creators, and transitively, the telecom can't be either one. This gets us back to the ideal world where we choose our telecom company, choose our streaming service, and choose our content - all separately. Every streaming service should be able to provide all content, or nearly all of it. Competition comes back, we no longer have the zero-rating problem..

    So cheer Netflix's success, but be careful what you wish for. At the present rate, we will all be paying $50/month for all these streaming services just to get the content we need.

    P.S. We also need to stop each streaming service provider from using their own protocol. You bought a Roku box last year huh? Well, you can't access the newest coolest streaming service because they didn't make a firmware update for that service. If 20 years ago, you told people that their TV or cable-box needed a firmware update every time a new channel came-out, they would be attacking the telecom companies with pitchforks. Yet that is happening today and people accept it.