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Canada's RCMP National Police Force Reveals Use of Secretive Cellphone Surveillance Technology (www.cbc.ca)

An anonymous reader quotes a report from CBC.ca: The RCMP for the first time is publicly confirming it uses cellphone surveillance devices in investigations across Canada -- but at the same time says the potential of unauthorized snooping in Ottawa, as reported by CBC News, poses a threat to national security. The RCMP held the briefing in the wake of a CBC News investigation that found evidence that devices known as IMSI catchers may be in use near government buildings in Ottawa for the purpose of illegal spying. After shrouding their own use of the technology in secrecy for years, the RCMP took the unprecedented step of speaking publicly about the devices -- also known as Stingrays or Mobile Device Identifiers (MDIs) -- to address public concern amidst mounting questions about their use. The RCMP says that MDIs -- of which it owns 10 -- have become "vital tools" deployed scores of times to identify and track mobile devices in 19 criminal investigations last year and another 24 in 2015. [RCMP Chief Supt. Jeff Adam] says in all cases but one in 2016, police got warrants. The one exception was an exigent circumstance -- in other words, an emergency scenario "such as a kidnapping," said Adam, whose office tracks every instance where an MDI has been used by the RCMP. He says using an MDI requires senior police approval as well as getting a judge's order. And he says the technology provides only a first step in an investigation allowing officers to identify a device. He says only then can police apply for additional warrants to obtain a user's "basic subscriber information" such as name and address connected to the phone. Then, he says, only if the phone and suspect are targets of the investigation can police seek additional warrants to track the device or conduct a wiretap to capture communications. Adam says the RCMP currently has 24 technicians trained and authorized to deploy the devices across Canada. He knows other police forces own and use them too, but declined to name them.

38 comments

  1. Reveals Cell Monitoring Policy by turkeydance · · Score: 1

    fits nicely.

    1. Re: Reveals Cell Monitoring Policy by slick7 · · Score: 1

      Quis custodiet ipsos custodet?

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      The mind conceives, the body achieves, the spirit manifests.
    2. Re: Reveals Cell Monitoring Policy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      First rule of corporate training is to not talk about confidential information over the cellphone. When you call the canada revenue agency they say don't call using a cell.

  2. In other news, water is wet. by mykepredko · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I've been following this story since it broke a few days ago and other than the period in 2015 when the RCMP got lax, their use of the Stingrays as well as the controls put in place for their use seems reasonable.

    Police are going to look for ways to monitor criminals' communications and this is one of the tools for doing that. As long there is a process where a judge approves the need for using the device and the rights and privacy of individuals caught as "incidental collections" is protected I don't see any problems here.

    Maybe I'm imagining a perfect world that organizations like the RCMP don't live in, but if devices like cellphones are out there, police organizations are going to want to tap/track/monitor them.

    1. Re: In other news, water is wet. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Slippery slope. If you allow RCMP to monitor criminals' cellphones, then next thing you know they'll start monitoring who is using the transgender bathrooms. From there is only a short step to putting all the Muslims into holding camps (just like they did to Japanese-Canadians in the 1940s and 50s).

    2. Re: In other news, water is wet. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I have a problem with the police effectively running their own base stations pretending to be a telco to see who connects.

      It is like trawling with a net, impacting everyone in the vicinity rather than just the intended target.

      If they have a warrant, why not have telcos collect and provide just the information authorised by a judge.

    3. Re:In other news, water is wet. by misexistentialist · · Score: 2

      As long there is a process where a judge approves

      oooh "a process" that always results in approval and can't be questioned, almost as if it's really about reassuring police that they won't get in trouble even if they know what they are doing is wrong

    4. Re:In other news, water is wet. by Imrik · · Score: 1

      I would be a lot less suspicious about stuff like this if they made this announcement when they first acquired the devices instead of when they got caught. Even if there is a legal warrant process, hiding them makes it look like they're doing something wrong.

    5. Re:In other news, water is wet. by ddtmm · · Score: 3, Insightful

      To me the concern is not that the RCMP has the ability to monitor and record all voice and text communications in a cell, it's that so can anyone else who has the equipment. The fact that it's happening in the capital among all the government buildings is pretty concerning as it could be foreign governments, or whoever, spying on the Canadian government. Spying in this generation is nothing like the cold war and James Bond days of the 60s and 70s. The RCMP spying on my phone is the last of my worries. This is pretty serious stuff.

    6. Re:In other news, water is wet. by thunderclees · · Score: 1

      This has interesting consequences in a legal system with no presumption of innocence.

    7. Re:In other news, water is wet. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      if you understand what these stingrays are, then you'll understand there's no reasonable way to protect me from being caught up. They are fake cell towers that your phone (entirely out of your control) will connect to.

      This ignores the fact that all of the information they want is located right inside the telco/isps logs and there's no need to setup these devices OTHER than to circumvent the warrant process.

    8. Re:In other news, water is wet. by Windowser · · Score: 1

      As long there is a process where a judge approves

      Yeah, because it's really hard for the police to get a judge's approval
      http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/...

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  3. Hosers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Used in Ottawa near parlement buildings for exigent circumstances but they have 24 technicians across the country. Total hosers.

  4. This is my surprised face. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Seriously though, fuck those fuckers. Where will it all end? I want a new timeline - one where people inherently understand this shit is WRONG . Why is it so hard for these people to grasp??? It's really not difficult.

    1. Re: This is my surprised face. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Might makes right.

  5. Canadian ICMP by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    In Canada, ping counters run backwards eh?

  6. IMSI catchers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    have been in use since 2003 according to wikipedia. I actually thought it was longer but maybe that was something similar with a different name.
    But they have been readily distributed amongst the underground already.

    1. Re:IMSI catchers by AHuxley · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Different names, mil grade. The US and UK have had devices like that since the creation of cell phone networks.
      Its just the cost got low for national police forces to buy on the one market.
      Also telco law had to catch up to allow the comment on such devices in open court. The US and UK did not want any open court discussion of such methods in the 1980-90's.

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      Domestic spying is now "Benign Information Gathering"
    2. Re:IMSI catchers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Throughout the 1980s and most of the 1990s in the US, all you needed to monitor a cell phone conversation was a fucking police scanner.

    3. Re:IMSI catchers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You had a police scanner? We just used the rotary dial on the UHF band of our CRT.

  7. Day trader who would notice... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I day trade stocks and literally would notice if even a few millis of latency slipped in. I sit and monitor realtime HFT stock prices down to the sub-microsecond level with self-written software speaking to many brokers and exchanges.

    Similar to KimDotCom noticing when he was tapped due to his ping suffering in online gaming (he is super competitive actually if you didn't know), I would also notice. I watch laptops on local wifi, the cellphone, and of course devices at home are also monitoring things and will alert me over ham radio freqs which my handheld would pick up if I was nearby shopping (licensed ham).

    So I think I monitor too many networks to effectively fall victim to this. Plus I kinda helped write one of the stingray detector tools (ISMI catcher-detectors). One thing for sure as a law-abiding software developer, I hate pigs and love writing software and using technology to stop them.

    1. Re:Day trader who would notice... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Thank you for your confession to being a financial scammer who has absolutely no productive value whatsoever. Please kill yourself and provide your notarized certificate of suicide.

    2. Re: Day trader who would notice... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Dejected basement-dwelling nerd is green with envy, news at 11.

    3. Re:Day trader who would notice... by _merlin · · Score: 2

      If you were really doing low-latency trading you'd have your box in the colo with fibre to the matching engine. You're talking shit.

    4. Re:Day trader who would notice... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What ^^^^^^ he said

  8. And you all are worried about your ISP by SuperKendall · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Things like this is why it's so utterly laughable that anyone is worried about ISP privacy.

    You have none; even the thin illusion of privacy we liked to maintain as a pleasant fiction had been shattered. Your TV is spying on you. Everyone in the world has access to your computer camera and microphone. The government long ago started recording every use of mobile devices along with location data.

    Lots of people, between government, corporations and criminals know everything about you. So why on earth are you worried about privacy? That ship has sailed. If you really cared you would disconnect; the FACT that perhaps .0000000001% of the people that say they care do anything of the sort exposes them for the laughable hypocrites they truly are.

    The only sane way forward is to proclaim that at least everyone's information is just as visible as yours, so why worry? When people say "dance like no-one is watching" it's not because people are not watching. It's because to be truly free anymore you must stop caring what others think of what you do, because "they" will know.

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    1. Re:And you all are worried about your ISP by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Tin foil hat time. You're a clueless fucking idiot.

    2. Re:And you all are worried about your ISP by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      That's such a defeatist attitude. Privacy is possible.

      -You can avoid Windows' data collection, and possibly some NSA backdoors, by using GNU/Linux exclusively
      -You can avoid googles' profiling by using a competing search engine: duckduckgo.
      -You can mitigate some of the danger of using webmail by using Protonmail
      -You can make the web far more private by disabling cookies and javascript then blocking ads. It breaks some webpages. I don't mind.
      -jabber + OTR encryption for messaging.
      -7zip actually has strong encryption. make use of it when sending or archiving files
      -Avoid social media like the plague it is.

      Your cell phone...sorry... you'll probably have to throw it into the ocean.

      These nine companies: Apple, Google, Microsoft, Facebook, Yahoo, Youtube, Skype, AOL, Paltalk. They betrayed our trust. Give them no quarter.

      I'm very open to more useful suggestions and alternatives, so if anyone has some don't be shy about it.

    3. Re:And you all are worried about your ISP by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      If there was any police force in the world that I would trust to follow proper procedures, its the RCMP. I'm not saying they're perfect, but they are the gold standard in procedural matters - so long as you're not aboriginal and living north of 60

  9. Canada - Great place to visit by Kernel+Krumpit · · Score: 1

    Canada, a great place to visit but, not for the whole weekend. (Thanks Henry).

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    May the lies we live by make us strong, healthy, happy and wise - Kurt Vonnegut.
  10. Amused by redundancies in title by asjk · · Score: 0

    nt

  11. IMEI by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    That's why I always randomize my IMEI number every morning.

  12. Et tu, Canada? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Seems there is no safe place left on Earth. Perhaps Rangoon?

  13. Kevin Mitnick by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Kevin Mitnick (Yes, THAT Kevin Mitnick) has a book that talks all about the different ways that you are under surveillance - whether it's via cell phones, web browsing, emailing. While the book talks about how one can try to mitigate some of this BS that's going on, he also goes into detail of what and some of this technology does. I feel that it's written in a way that anyone could understand. Unfortunately to ways of protecting ourselves are still very difficult to implement...

    https://www.amazon.com/Art-Inv...

    1. Re:Kevin Mitnick by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Forgot to post the link. It's called "The Art of Invisibility"

      https://www.amazon.com/Art-Inv...

  14. Prepaid phone? by Frederic54 · · Score: 2

    Go in any Petro-Canada or Loblaws, buy cash an unlocked cellphone with a $25 voucher, and that's it, no name or address associated with the phone.

    You can also buy any used phone on kijiji and put a petro SIM inside, phone metadata will be connected to previous owner!

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    "Science will win because it works." - Stephen Hawking
  15. Sent from your iPhone by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Sent from your iPhone