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New Destructive Malware Intentionally Bricks IoT Devices (bleepingcomputer.com)

An anonymous reader writes: "A new malware strain called BrickerBot is intentionally bricking Internet of Things (IoT) devices around the world by corrupting their flash storage capability and reconfiguring kernel parameters. The malware spreads by launching brute-force attacks on IoT (BusyBox-based) devices with open Telnet ports. After BrickerBot attacks, device owners often have to reinstall the device's firmware, or in some cases, replace the device entirely. Attacks started on March 20, and two versions have been seen. One malware strain launches attacks from hijacked Ubiquiti devices, while the second, more advanced, is hidden behind Tor exit nodes. Several security researchers believe this is the work of an internet vigilante fed up with the amount of insecure IoT devices connected to the internet and used for DDoS attacks. "Wow. That's pretty nasty," said Cybereason security researcher Amit Serper after Bleeping Computer showed him Radware's security alert. "They're just bricking it for the sake of bricking it. [They're] deliberately destroying the device."

163 comments

  1. I commend the effort... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    carry on.

    1. Re: I commend the effort... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Dark Knights are real!

    2. Re:I commend the effort... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      +1... carry on

    3. Re:I commend the effort... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I second that.

    4. Re:I commend the effort... by Zocalo · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Ordinarily, I'd condemn this kind of vigilante action, but in this instance I'm hardly struggling with it at all. Mirai kicked off in early September 2016. It's now April 2017. That's six full months, almost to the day, that device owners, ISPs, and vendors have had to secure their devices, filter inbound scanning/outbound end-user traffic, and produce update firmware, yet there's very little evidence any of that is happening at scale (shocking, I know), so it's clearly not going to. The rest of us, meanwhile, have been subjected to continual port scanning and DDoS attacks. Taking vulnerable devices out of commission, placing the cost of that on owners and vendors, plus pressure from both on ISPs to start to filter the malicious traffic, is clearly the only approach that is going to work at this point, and might even encourage vendors to put a little more thought into security in future.

      Carry on indeed. Hell, post the code like the original Mirai author did - we might as well wrap this up as fast as Mirai and its clones were able ramped up. Open Source, ftw!

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    5. Re:I commend the effort... by Zocalo · · Score: 2

      Oh, yeah. Just in case the author(s) are reading this, for v2.0, you might want to consider looking into the following popular IoT ports as well (there are others, but these are the ones with the most activity):
      22 - SSH
      2222 - alt. SSH
      2323 - alt. Telnet
      5358 - Web Services API
      6789 - Dahui admin port?
      7547 - TR-069 management port
      23231 - alt. Telnet
      37777 - CCTV port forwarding

      You're welcome.

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    6. Re:I commend the effort... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hi, author here and sorry for only noticing this humorous Slashdot thread now. Thanks for this info, but I've been at this since around 20 Nov 2016 (the InfoSec folks are slow to catch on - if you avoid their honeypots you don't exist) and I was aware of these. Other interesting ports are also 23123 (more old Dahua telnet stuff) and 19058 (common alternative for 6789). Some ISPs use port 5555 for TR-069 but I'm not sure either 7547 or 5555 are that useful any more. On the web side 80, 81, 82, 8080, 8081, 5000, 9000, 8888 and 88 are worth scanning as well (and some others), they're all commonly used for things like IP camera and DVR web interfaces. As of last morning my rig had been through 1.65 million unique IPs and the numbers are going up very quickly due to Imeij and Amnesia. My top objective is to try to secure a device rather than brick it and I'm currently using 84 different device or protocol-specific payloads. Luckily a lot of the professional ISP gear can be secured (otherwise there would have been huge outages over the past year) but unfortunately I'm now stuck managing the networks of hundreds of ISPs who apparently don't care if they can access their routers or not ;) Around 80% of IoT devices aren't possible to secure permanently in any meaningful way so hence the 'sledgehammer approach' with them. I'll write a little report about what I've learned so far in the next month or two, that should hopefully make for some interesting reading.. Fun teaser fact: Of the hundreds of thousands of Internet-connected Avtech units I've seen so far 86.9% of them were deployed with the default web login admin/admin! Btw what's up with Slashdot saying a 26-character password is "too long" ? If they hash their passwords securely it shouldn't matter how long they are (as they would only be storing the salted hash), which makes me think that they're storing them insecurely (plaintext??) in a fixed size table..

    7. Re: I commend the effort... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Usually maximum lenght is used to preventi DOS attacks. If you send them 1Gb of password they would have to hash it all

  2. Sledgehammer approach. by mlheur · · Score: 5, Informative

    Despite how malicious this is, I'm oddly OK with it.

    1. Re:Sledgehammer approach. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      As a BoFH I also am. Secure your crap or higher somone to do it.

    2. Re:Sledgehammer approach. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Scorched earth policy against DDOS? The lesser of 2 evils.

    3. Re:Sledgehammer approach. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Indeed, it was inevitable, hopefully it prompts some effort towards producing more secure devices.

    4. Re:Sledgehammer approach. by mellon · · Score: 1

      Yeah, this is wrong, so wrong, and yet I'm having a lot of trouble getting worked up about it. If your device is that hackable, it probably needs to be bricked for the sake of humanity. The Internet of Things That Go Bump In The Night gets exorcised...

    5. Re:Sledgehammer approach. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Same here. I feel sorry for the person who's equipment no longer works, but these idiot companies have got to get off their ass and secure their shit.

      I hope this creates a global class action lawsuit against all manufactures of any IoT device.

    6. Re:Sledgehammer approach. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      hopefully it prompts some effort towards producing more secure devices.

      Sadly, it will not. There is a tremendous amount of money to be made selling insecure crap and absolutely no penalty for the companies producing and selling insecure crap.

    7. Re:Sledgehammer approach. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You should hire someone to spell check your posts.

    8. Re:Sledgehammer approach. by DontBeAMoran · · Score: 1

      If DRM has taught us anything, it's that the law is on the side of the weak-ass locks.

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    9. Re:Sledgehammer approach. by GerryGilmore · · Score: 1

      Exactly my first thought! Insecure "IoT" devices NEED to be disabled from accessing the internet and fucking it up for the rest of us. Besides, how can we watch our ads?!?

    10. Re:Sledgehammer approach. by Snotnose · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Yeah, came here to say this. Surprised I'm in the majority on this.

      If you can't figure out how to secure your device, or you are unable to do so, then so sad too bad. Hope a bunch of IoT vendors go tits up.

    11. Re:Sledgehammer approach. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      get off their donkey?

      what is that going to do?

    12. Re:Sledgehammer approach. by networkBoy · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I'm not.
      I think most here on /. are of this general opinion. It's machiavellian for sure, but really does have the whole "Ends justify the means" feel to it.

      Hopefully (though doubtfully) the OEMs will be eating a lot of warranty returns. It is only if this costs the OEMs money that the problems will be fixed. If it only costs the end users money then not a ton will really happen.

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    13. Re:Sledgehammer approach. by marka63 · · Score: 3, Informative

      That depends on where you are in the world.

      Here in Australia a full refund of the purchase price is codified in law. Retailers will pick better suppliers as it costs them to refund.

    14. Re:Sledgehammer approach. by Anonymous+Brave+Guy · · Score: 2

      Actually, if someone sells insecure crap that subsequently gets hacked and stops working as a result, in a lot of places that's going to be considered unfit for purpose or the legal equivalent and therefore entitle the owner to some sort of refund or other remedy at the vendor's expense. While I don't condone the vigilante aspect here, it might prove to be quite effective at highlighting how poor the state of security is in the IoT industry and forcing manufacturers of these devices not to cheap out so much.

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    15. Re:Sledgehammer approach. by Cyberpunk+Reality · · Score: 1

      Yep. Saw the report and my first thought was "is this really a bad thing?" Better they end up as bricks than fueling a LOIC.

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    16. Re:Sledgehammer approach. by Baron_Yam · · Score: 2

      I can break into your house because it's not secure enough. Is that OK too?

      Just because something isn't locked doesn't mean it's OK to access it. You're either civilized or you're not, and the person who released this code should be having a long stay in jail to think about the morality of what they've done.

    17. Re:Sledgehammer approach. by harvey+the+nerd · · Score: 1

      I'd rather have a brick than a spy.

    18. Re:Sledgehammer approach. by rgmoore · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I can break into your house because it's not secure enough. Is that OK too?

      If the house has already been taken over by a criminal gang, it's a different matter. That's a better analogy with a lot of these insecure IoT devices. They aren't just sitting there innocently; if they're vulnerable to being shut down by this malware, they're also vulnerable to being taken over by botnets. This is not just a theoretical worry; some of the big recent DDOS attacks have been by IoT device botnets.

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    19. Re:Sledgehammer approach. by rgmoore · · Score: 1

      If insecure devices are likely to be bricked, security may become a selling point.

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    20. Re:Sledgehammer approach. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Will you be ok with someone serving 20 years for doing this to a government owned IoT device?

    21. Re:Sledgehammer approach. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Suspect list:

      Everyone who has suffered due to DDOS attacks or crappy IOT devices.

    22. Re:Sledgehammer approach. by rtb61 · · Score: 1

      Don't think of it as breaking into some ones house. Think of it as spraying over someone's extremely reflective walls and roof blinding everyone around them with glare.

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    23. Re:Sledgehammer approach. by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      I can break into your house because it's not secure enough. Is that OK too?

      If you are my neighbor and you go away for the weekend and your external alarm goes off and nobody comes to shut it off and it doesn't turn off when I switch off your external panel (assuming you have one) I'm definitely going to bash it in with a hammer.

      If you have a device on your network making attacks against other people's resources, don't be surprised if they shut it down. And be happy that they didn't just rejigger it to flood your local network with shit traffic.

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    24. Re: Sledgehammer approach. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      #EmptyTheGulag

    25. Re:Sledgehammer approach. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Insightful

      as opposed to the morality of the fucktard that put a device on the internet to be used as an attack platform against you? idiot. and your analogy is wrong. fucking idiot. dont breed. stay off the internet, leave it to the adults.

    26. Re:Sledgehammer approach. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      will the original infector get 20 years? yeah right. shhhh.

    27. Re:Sledgehammer approach. by gweihir · · Score: 2

      I don't know about malicious. Seems to be both well-intentioned and working well. Of course, vigilantism can be a problem, but I don't really see that here either. It is hard to fault it when law enforcement has consistently failed to do anything at all about a serious threat. And anybody that took the minimal precautions to secure their devices will not be affected either.

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    28. Re:Sledgehammer approach. by Baron_Yam · · Score: 1

      I might punch you in the face some day. Possibly even shoot you. So, is it right to preemptively kill me just in case?

      No. Until there's an imminent credible threat, it's not right to take ANY kind of action against me.

      Same with these devices - the fact that they COULD be compromised in the future and used for destructive purposes is not sufficient justification for attacking them. Once they are and are being used to commit a crime, then yes, they should be open season.

      Now, if you want to start a class action suit against the manufacturers for negligence (after the first device is compromised) or lobby politicians to block the import or domestic sale of devices that fail to meet minimum security standards, maybe even start a boycott... fill your boots. All excellent and morally unquestionable actions.

    29. Re:Sledgehammer approach. by Highdude702 · · Score: 2

      Security isnt a selling point already? people are stupid.

    30. Re:Sledgehammer approach. by Highdude702 · · Score: 1

      OK how about this, They have been comprimised. And they were killed for it. Does that make you happy?

    31. Re:Sledgehammer approach. by Billly+Gates · · Score: 1

      It is wrong yes ... but so is the OEM's.

      SInce we have a overly conservative government at all 3 branches in the US you know nothing will ever be done about this problem for American companies that make these. The free market doesn't work as most users do not know what security is. Their phone is on the net so what is so bad about a camera etc.

      So why change? We are the externalized costs but they do not ever see accountability.

      Now comes payback. Even freaking routers are cloud IOT based these days?!! There are a few that can get hacked so easily and are obvious very dangerous to the users and the internet in general. Yes if it stops it is like the lesser evil for the long term greater good since the government won't get involved.

    32. Re:Sledgehammer approach. by freeze128 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I don't like your analogy because peoples houses aren't ALWAYS targeted by criminals. How about we replace "your house" with "your local bank".

      Suppose your local bank just left money lying around on the floor of the lobby. If anyone takes that money, they are stealing. Is that OK? Of course not, but it's really risky and stupid to keep it there in the first place. Also, in order to be FDIC insured, the bank needs to take at least some minimal precautions, like storing the money in a vault, and maybe having an armed guard. If the bank doesn't do this, they would probably be robbed the most, and the FDIC would not insure them. Result - The bank would quickly go out of business and close.

      The malware is breaking the law by bricking the device, but in this scenario, I'm the fucking FDIC, bitch! I demand better security on your IOT device, or you must shut it down.

    33. Re:Sledgehammer approach. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I can break into your house because it's not secure enough. Is that OK too?

      If the house has already been taken over by a criminal gang, it's a different matter. That's a better analogy with a lot of these insecure IoT devices. They aren't just sitting there innocently; if they're vulnerable to being shut down by this malware, they're also vulnerable to being taken over by botnets. This is not just a theoretical worry; some of the big recent DDOS attacks have been by IoT device botnets.

      I still see a problem with that reasoning: "There's a gang in your house so I'm burning it down."

      Though, the issue becomes more difficult when no permanent damage is done.

    34. Re:Sledgehammer approach. by quantumphaze · · Score: 1

      In peoples defence, the box has a dozen dot points touting random security protocols (SSH, SSL, HTTPS, Radius, SSL, PPTP, L2TP, did we mention SSL).
      They never disclose the root:root user/pass on an unsecured Telnet back-door left over by the developers.
      # flash_erase /dev/mtd0 0 0 it's for the best.

    35. Re:Sledgehammer approach. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Get out with your retarded house and car analogies. Get. Out.

    36. Re:Sledgehammer approach. by Aighearach · · Score: 1

      You're either civilized or you're not

      My, how sophisticated!

      By the way, sitting in jail is likely to cause thoughts about ethics, not thoughts about morality. There is a difference.

    37. Re:Sledgehammer approach. by Aighearach · · Score: 1

      If I see a burning house and a garden hose, I'm not going to wait to ask permission to enter the yard and utilize their water resource.

    38. Re:Sledgehammer approach. by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      Yes it will. Companies may not care about your security, but they do care about you coming and demanding refund or replacement. That cuts into their bottom line and that's what they do care about.

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    39. Re:Sledgehammer approach. by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      If you install a revolving door and your home is used as a squat by the local crack junkie population who terrorize the neighborhood, and the police doesn't do diddly squat against it, what should I do as your neighbor? Grin and bear it?

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    40. Re:Sledgehammer approach. by Opportunist · · Score: 2

      There IS an immediate credible threat. A device that can trivially be taken over IS a threat.

      What you have here is a loaded weapon lying right out in the front yard. Any criminal can walk by, pick it up and use it to commit a crime. Do you think this gun should be removed?

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    41. Re:Sledgehammer approach. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I can break into your house because it's not secure enough. Is that OK too?

      Just because something isn't locked doesn't mean it's OK to access it. You're either civilized or you're not, and the person who released this code should be having a long stay in jail to think about the morality of what they've done.

      Idiot.
      If you leave your house door wide open it's an invitation for everybody and his dog to come in and do whatever the fuck they want.
      If you leave your WiFi open it's an invitation for everybody to connect to it and use it as they please.
      If you leave your IoT device wide open it's an invitation for everybody to fuck it up.
      Now how about show some responsability and act?

    42. Re:Sledgehammer approach. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Where did you learn to debate? That is not what he said and you know it.

    43. Re:Sledgehammer approach. by Opportunist · · Score: 2

      Vigilantism logically happens when law enforcement fails to uphold a law that is in the interest of the people. This is why it's not only critical that the law reflects the ideals of the population but also that it's executed. If you have laws that run contrary to what the people consider right, you can only enforce them with force against your own people and you can logically assume that your own population fights you. This is, among other things, what fell communism.

      If you're unwilling or unable to establish AND enact laws, the result is vigilantism.

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    44. Re:Sledgehammer approach. by coofercat · · Score: 1

      It's probably more like cruising around all the streets in the world looking for houses that are empty but have their doors open. Then, going into the house and barricading all the doors and windows so that no one (not even the owner) can get in without some specialist help (eg. locksmiths, trades people etc).

    45. Re:Sledgehammer approach. by eth1 · · Score: 2

      I'm not.
      I think most here on /. are of this general opinion. It's machiavellian for sure, but really does have the whole "Ends justify the means" feel to it.

      Hopefully (though doubtfully) the OEMs will be eating a lot of warranty returns. It is only if this costs the OEMs money that the problems will be fixed. If it only costs the end users money then not a ton will really happen.

      I was thinking it'd be neat if the malware had a database of warranty information and geo-IP-based warranty laws, and it actually tried to figure out if the device was still under warranty. Silently close the backdoor and go dormant if it thinks it's not under warranty, brick it if it thinks it is.

    46. Re:Sledgehammer approach. by StayFrosty · · Score: 1

      Even freaking routers are cloud IOT based these days?!!

      What the hell does that even mean? What does IOT even mean? Since when did routers (which have always had vulnerabilities and don't get patched often) get lumped in with light bulbs and security cameras? What about unpatched servers or workstations with direct connections to the internet (think cloud hosting providers)? Routers are the "things" that are responsible for traffic going anywhere. Servers are "things" that provide access to services on the internet. I guess the enter internet is an "internet of things."

      OK, now I'm going you are talking about home NAT routers here, and not the Cisco ASR in your ISP's data center. Are you complaining that they are getting software updates automatically from the manufacturer? If so, for the average user, how is this a bad thing? Think about all the Linksys WRT54Gs from a decade ago there that never got an update because the user didn't know you could update it. Same with all the Netgear piles of crap that are chock full of vulnerabilities you read about in the news on a weekly basis. I understand that there may be some reservations as to the "features" pushed out by these updates (I'm specifically thinking of the Linksys incident about 5 years ago,) but for the average user, the router is an appliance. If it automatically "fixes" itself, that's a good thing.

      OK, rant over. Patch your shit.

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    47. Re:Sledgehammer approach. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's carefully crafted discussion like this that I read /. for. Raised in a basement, were you?

    48. Re:Sledgehammer approach. by Highdude702 · · Score: 1

      I completely agree. it's one thing if the items are aimed towards power users. It's another if it's aimed towards the general public for purchase. The only people to blame here are the manufacturers and whoever is behind this attack is doing the entire world a favor

    49. Re:Sledgehammer approach. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Do you torch the house with a flamethrower?

    50. Re:Sledgehammer approach. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's hard to secure stuff while sitting on a donkey.

    51. Re:Sledgehammer approach. by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      I'm cool with that. However, if you walk into my yard and take my hose and start spraying down my house because it could conceivably catch fire, I'm going to have words with you. Particularly if the windows are open.

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    52. Re:Sledgehammer approach. by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      Tell you what. You might install a revolving door and invite the crack junkies in. I can't know you won't. Is it OK if I burn your house down now to avoid that problem?

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    53. Re:Sledgehammer approach. by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      Sure, if you can get in through the door without breaking a lock.

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    54. Re:Sledgehammer approach. by Aighearach · · Score: 1

      You're grasping for apples and oranges. Attempt to apply your analogy to the actual events and see if it fits.

      Is it even possible to brick an IoT device that isn't a public threat?

      You're saying your house wasn't on fire. I'm saying I don't care, there was smoke and flames pouring out the window and your words don't change that.

    55. Re:Sledgehammer approach. by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      What I am trying to say is that destroying people's property on the assumption that it might be a threat later on is wrong. Nobody's claiming that the bricking was justified because the devices were actually causing harm, and argument I'd be more sympathetic to. Nobody's pointing to smoke and flames. People are just saying that, if it might present a threat, the intruders are justified in bricking it.

      As to whether it's possible to brick a device that's not a public threat, I don't know. It seems likely that a brickable device could be used as a tool by bad guys, but I don't know that to be true in general.

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    56. Re:Sledgehammer approach. by Aighearach · · Score: 1

      Nobody is misunderstanding you, it is just that when they say, "these devices are already a threat," and you say something like, "I don't see them as a threat," then you are in no way contradicting what others say. You're saying they're wrong, but the case you makes only says you wouldn't do what they did, not that they were wrong. We know for a fact that many of us believe these devices to be a threat as soon as they're connected to the network without being secured. In the same way that if a neighbor piled wood next to the property line and doused it with gasoline, I would consider that action to create a fire danger, and if neighborhood kids came by and set it on fire, and your house burns down, the kids would be guilty of arson, and the neighbor would be guilty of creating a fire hazard that in actual fact destroyed stuff. Obviously the kids are not innocent, but obviously the person who created the fire hazard is also not the victim. The neighbor is the victim.

      Here, the people owning these devices are not the victim. Sure, sure, their crime is lesser than the script-kiddie. But they're complicit in the wrongdoing that creates the situation. For the neighbor who is endangered by their devices, they're also the primary cause of the whole situation, the source of the danger.

  3. If only.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    .... the manufacturers would provide more secure firmware for the owners of bricked devices to load.

    1. Re: If only.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ... manufacturers included fail back. So when your IoT light is bricked, it becomes a light; when your IoT toaster is bricked, it becomes a toaster; etc.

    2. Re: If only.... by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      ...unless of course the manufacturer was so "smart" to think that the data he gets from the item is absolutely critical, so the toaster only works if it's online...

      Oh please let that bullshit backfire on them, just once!

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    3. Re: If only.... by Falconhell · · Score: 1

      Whatever you do, dont fix the toaster, its a bastard.

  4. If pwnable easily it must die - network darwinism by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    If it's secured, then it belongs on the network. If it's not secured, this is the best possible outcome, non-function and removal.

    Good job.

  5. Crowdfund? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Where is the kickstarter or indiegogo page for this project? I can't find it.

    1. Re:Crowdfund? by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 2

      Hehehe - sorry, I ran out of mod points this morning.

      I wonder if the people exploiting Mirai for profit will start disinfecting this thing.

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  6. We knew it was coming... by evolutionary · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Okay, it was only a matter of time before somebody came around and starting exploiting all the backdoors/weak protection in this IoT(I pronounce "idiot") devices. The funny thing is, this may well be a public service in an odd way. At least no one's life is dependent on these devices..yet. If we started adopting these things carelessly in situations that could endanger lives, we'd be in serious trouble. Perhaps this is the wake up call we've desperately needed.

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    1. Re:We knew it was coming... by DontBeAMoran · · Score: 0

      What about a garage door opener that was bricked and a woman got killed because she was being chased by a maniac and her garage wouldn't let her in?

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    2. Re:We knew it was coming... by networkBoy · · Score: 4, Funny

      depends, did she submit a bad review on Amazon?

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    3. Re:We knew it was coming... by Zaelath · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Better than the two women that got killed because their insecure garage door opener let the maniac in.

    4. Re:We knew it was coming... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No different than a power outage resulting in the garage door becoming inoperable in that scenario. It's a foreseeable, avoidable situation wherein the number of people actually going to do anything about it is directly proportional to the likelihood of it happening to them.

    5. Re:We knew it was coming... by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 2

      At least no one's life is dependent on these devices..yet. If we started adopting these things carelessly in situations that could endanger lives, we'd be in serious trouble. Perhaps this is the wake up call we've desperately needed.

      We already have life critical devices compromised. Remember that the early adopters of the IoT was hospitals, which have been compromised already. http://spectrum.ieee.org/view-...

      While this case was not the result of a hacker, but software error, todays radiation dispenser is about 100 percent likely to be attached to the internet. http://ccnr.org/fatal_dose.htm....

      And it wouldn't be too surprising if people have been killed already. We just wouldn't hear abou tit, or the operators might not even know.

      --
      The shepherds did so well protecting the flock that the sheep no longer believed that wolves existed.
    6. Re:We knew it was coming... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      the INTERNET is a a serious communications network, using it flushing a toilet et cetera makes little sense.
      If these devices are walled off with a firewall I'm OK with these, but as the internet is a dynamic and challenging environment, simple Idiot device has as much place here as a baby on tricycle on the freeway.

    7. Re:We knew it was coming... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How often does that happen? You appear to have a problem with risk assessment. Insecure devices are a low-grade pain for a lot of people. You hypothetical made-up very low probability scenario proves the point that risk people in general suck at assessing risk.

    8. Re:We knew it was coming... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I knew the maniac was coming as soon as I left the bad review. My bad.

    9. Re:We knew it was coming... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Human beings have never been more disconnected from each other than now, and there is 7 billion of us and counting.

      If we had even a 1.0 framework for our functioning as a species, I wonder if we would reach the stars faster.

    10. Re:We knew it was coming... by ZenShadow · · Score: 1

      Posting to remove bad mod. Bah.

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      -- sigs cause cancer.
    11. Re:We knew it was coming... by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      Intelligent Devices, Internet Of Things.

      Everyone buying them is a good example for the acronym thereof.

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    12. Re:We knew it was coming... by zifn4b · · Score: 1

      IoT(I pronounce "idiot") devices

      The Internet of Things shall henceforth be known as the catchy and marketable Silicon Valley-ish term: ID10T. Marketing companies please feel free to use this idea freely. Want to crank it to 10? ID10T. See how cool that is? You're welcome.

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      We'll make great pets
    13. Re:We knew it was coming... by syntotic · · Score: 1

      I am seldom answered in my email. But once upon a time I was answered almost immediately... I wonder what changed?

  7. Good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Kill them young so they can't do more harm. If there is no cure and the guys in the biohazard suits with microscopes and bio media test glasses leave, the guys in biohazard suites and flamethrowers come in.
    How can I help, I want those junk IoT, infectors or tubes devices bricked yesterday

    1. Re:Good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      For that you'd need a time machine.

      P.S.: if you do get a time machine, come back and tell me to buy Bitcoins in 2017 while they're still below one million dollars.

    2. Re: Good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Fuck, you are dumb.

      Use the time machine to buy bitcoins when they were dollars, or when you could generate a bitcoin with modest PC in hours. Not when they are $1000 other more.

  8. Survival of the fittest by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    These devices weren't fit for the internet.

  9. Was already broken by bhetrick · · Score: 5, Insightful

    These devices were already broken. Now they are non-functional as well.

    1. Re:Was already broken by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      That's it. They got the ultimate upgrade.

    2. Re: Was already broken by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's one of those rare times when I can say that I know what they are doing is wrong, but I understand. I don't support them. I'm just not going to stop them. I won't root for them, at least not out loud.

  10. How Are These Devices Getting Public IPs? by rsmith-mac · · Score: 1

    So potentially a stupid question here, but given that we have a severe shortage of IP addresses due to exhaustion of the IPv4 space, how are all of these devices getting publicly addressable IP addresses to allow an incoming connection in the first place? If they're behind a NAT they should be naturally firewalled, otherwise who has the spare IPs to hand out to crappy little IoT devices?

    1. Re:How Are These Devices Getting Public IPs? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Businesses. Businesses who should take security more seriously than to have unsecured Chinese IoT garbage directly on the public-facing internet to begin with. I don't feel the least bit bad about people who leave their cheap shit wide open to be bricked. Firewall it off, NAT it, or you get what you deserve.

    2. Re:How Are These Devices Getting Public IPs? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      Universal Plug and Play (UPnP) is enabled on most home routers. Most of these insecure IoT devices use UPnP to open port forwarding holes through the home router.

    3. Re:How Are These Devices Getting Public IPs? by Highdude702 · · Score: 1

      Yea that should have been gotten rid of in the 90's

    4. Re:How Are These Devices Getting Public IPs? by Billly+Gates · · Score: 1

      Yea that should have been gotten rid of in the 90's

      Right so you can get calls at 10 at night from Grandma guiding her on opening ports on her firewall settings with UDP to get her Ipad's itunes to work. I am sure that would work out great. ... and open a firewall exception for each of the 45 games you have on steam sounds fun too?

    5. Re:How Are These Devices Getting Public IPs? by Dagger2 · · Score: 3, Informative

      Fun fact: NAT doesn't naturally firewall anything.

      Here's how you do NAT on Linux: iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o wan0 -j MASQUERADE. See that "-o wan0"? The rule, and thus the NAT, only applies to outbound connections. It does nothing whatsoever to inbound connections! You can test this yourself if you want; just take a subnet where inbound connections work, add that NAT rule to the subnet's router, and you'll see that inbound connections continue to work just fine.

      In any case, the answer to your question is that people set up port forwards for their cameras because they want to view the camera when they're away from home. IPv6 would help a lot here because it makes it significantly more difficult to scan for these devices, unlike in v4 where it's pretty trivial to exhaustively scan the entire address space.

    6. Re:How Are These Devices Getting Public IPs? by PetiePooo · · Score: 2

      Right so you can get calls at 10 at night from Grandma guiding her on opening ports on her firewall settings with UDP to get her Ipad's itunes to work

      If uPNP weren't available, iTunes and your games would have been written with some other connection method. They'd be making more use of STUN/TURN/ICE or just ensuring that all connections from the enduser are outbound. uPNP enabled programmers to be lazy in how they engineered connectivity. It is insecure by design, "but hey, since it's ubiquitous, let's use it!"

    7. Re:How Are These Devices Getting Public IPs? by coofercat · · Score: 1

      Most cameras and other things with a phone-based interface will try to automatically open ports on the firewall (via upnp). A lot of routers have upnp enabled by default, and so this works in a lot of cases. For those people with routers that don't play along, the product will ask them to setup port forwarding - let's be honest, most people who just bought a webcam to watch over their driveway will do anything the product tells them to do because they want to watch their driveway when they're out of the house. It's only /.ers (or 1% or however you like to think of it) that really think about the consequences of such actions.

      Given the human realities of such devices, they really should have considerably more security by default. However, the other reality if of course that security costs some extra R&D time and money, which puts up the product price. If you're in business you can either make a more expensive but secure product and sell 100 of them, or make a cheaper insecure one which might not get hacked for a year or two and sell 100,000 of them. Even if it does get hacked, you might not be held accountable - with that in mind, it seems pretty obvious why these products are they way they are.

      Now... these products are getting bricked. The kinds of people that didn't think about security probably won't be able to fix them, so will either throw them away or return them to vendors for a replacement. Of course, the replacement will be equally insecure and will brick again. Eventually, after some bad Amazon reviews the product will disappear from the market. I'm sure there are some side effects which the media will pounce on as a reason why this is the work of some sort of paedo-terrorist-commie, but time will tell...

    8. Re:How Are These Devices Getting Public IPs? by Highdude702 · · Score: 0

      Funny you say that because I live behind a NAT with 0 forwarded ports. iTunes and every one of my steam games work perfectly fine. Try again.

    9. Re:How Are These Devices Getting Public IPs? by Billly+Gates · · Score: 1

      Turn off upnp on your Nat router and let me know how well everything works?

    10. Re:How Are These Devices Getting Public IPs? by Highdude702 · · Score: 1

      lol. you dont understand. My router thats before the NAT has UPNP disabled, as has every one ive ever owned. But the NAT router thats ahead of it ALSO does not have UPNP enabled. Not many things require incoming ports(which is what UPNP configures) Everything else is in the packet its self. Should go read up on how the internet works before you once again look like a moron talking to me about the internet and the way it functions.

  11. If you leave your Telnet port wide open... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ... then this is the expected outcome, isn't it?

    Since telnet is inherently broken (like a window pane that comes with a hole to let the rain in) this is akin to not even CLOSING the door.

    It's like inviting homeless people into your house and then complaining when they start a bonfire to keep warm.

    I don't know anyone who buys windows and doors without checking for holes.

    Do people buy computer equipment like that too?

    Oops.

  12. The world's tiniest violin by Kernel+Kurtz · · Score: 1

    is playing in the background.

  13. If this happens to you, get a full refund. by robbak · · Score: 4, Interesting

    There is no possible argument against this - a device that is built to be connected to the internet, but has a remotely accessible security flaw, cannot be deemed to be 'fit for the purpose for which it was sold', and so the customer is entitled to a full refund, if they desire, regardless of how old the device is.

    Arguably, you could consider installing available security updates within a reasonable timeframe - say, a few weeks after the customer has been informed of them - could be considered basic maintenance, as long as the procedure for applying the update is something that an ordinary user could do. In that case, the manufacturer and retailer could get away with an exchange program for bricked devices, where the devices are sent to a shop with JTAG, serial or other in-circuit programming equipment, or even just providing full instructions on how to unbrick, if this can be done without any additional hardware.

    But if the manufacturer has not provided such updates, then full refund must be paid. And it is the retailer who is on the hook for this - they then have to get recompensed from their wholesaler, etc.

    --
    Prediction for end of Universe #42: Fencepost error in Quantum_bogosort.cpp
    1. Re:If this happens to you, get a full refund. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      i tough that a manufacturer was supposed to dissable JTAG once the hardware testing was done.

      Ho well...

    2. Re: If this happens to you, get a full refund. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Bullshit. The user is expected to secure their own device and prevent misuse. This is clearly misuse.
      If the product does what it says it does, they win.

      If they can do this without logging into the device, you have a case.

      Googling, it seems plain language interpretation makes it seem like consumer can get away with a lot, but looking at various manufacturer's warranty statement, they are liable for material defects, not misuse.

  14. And so.. by ACE209 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    ..the Internet developed antibodies.

    --
    "we are all atheists about most of the gods that societies have ever believed in. Some of us just go one god further."
    1. Re:And so.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      More like the pre-programmed means to trigger cell death when a cell realizes something inside it has gone irreparably wrong.

  15. Expected, really by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    1. AAA (be it a crime syndicate, or an three/four letter agency) acquires or deploys own IoT botnet
    2. BBB (most likely a three/four letter agency) decides doing the same is not going to cut it, as it has more to lose from an attack than it could gain from doing the same itself.
    3. BBB deploys ICE. If it could be easily added to an enemy botnet, it dies.
    4. Industry is forced to do something a little less crappy, or it won't survive a day.

  16. Public service by sinij · · Score: 3, Funny

    This is public service. I hope they catch the wrong guy.

    1. Re:Public service by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Rumor has it was Al Gore.

    2. Re:Public service by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      Oh that would be win-win if they charged him...

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      We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
    3. Re:Public service by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Windows XP became so notorious for being pwned the first restart after installation that 'slipstreamed' versions of it started to become necessary.

      Imagine installing your shiny new web camera, starting it up, and it's bricked on the first day. So the return-for-refund scenarios may very well dominate - after initial waves wipe out the large installed base.

      And since these are non-experts and the evidence of the hack disappears, it could be incredibly hard to prevent.

      This definitely has the 'Vigilante' feel to it. Everyone not selling crappy IoT devices will be 100% in favor, the others........not so much.

    4. Re:Public service by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not really. Most home users are behind a router, and the few who were pwned with direct internet connections are too ignorant to slipstream updates in the first place.

      Most people created slipstreamed installations to reduce the patch-reboot-repeat cycle after installation.

      The main problem with XP was due to the the firewall being disabled by default prior to SP3. Even a basic user would be fine if they enabled it before getting online and then patched immediately.

  17. Nasty?! Isn't this better for everyone? by monkeyzoo · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The security researcher calls this nasty?! It's genius!

    It's certainly vigilante. But given the societal harm being caused by shoddy IOT devices, bricking them is quite arguably noble. Also, this could be good for the affected users too. Would you rather have your cheap IOT device fail and realize something is wrong with it or have it become an entry point for stealing critical data from your network or infecting your important devices with ransomware?

    At least if your device breaks, you realize something is wrong with it and can complain to the manufacturer for a refund instead of it spying on you and/or serving as a node in a criminal's botnet.

    Not to mention that in the long run, the impact of this would likley be that companies face immediate PR blowback that kills sales when they release shoddy devices. They will quickly learn that to make any money they need to pay attention to implementing reasonable security precautions.

    Carry on soldier!

    1. Re:Nasty?! Isn't this better for everyone? by Hylandr · · Score: 1

      Carry on soldier!

      For all we know these *could be* any nations militia acting in proactive self-defense, and protecting the bulk of the Internet in the process.

      Bravo !

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      ~ People that think they are better than anyone else for any reason are the cause of all the strife in the world.
    2. Re: Nasty?! Isn't this better for everyone? by mspohr · · Score: 1

      Increased sales!
      Users will just go out and buy another one.

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      I don't read your sig. Why are you reading mine?
    3. Re:Nasty?! Isn't this better for everyone? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Not to mention that in the long run, the impact of this would likley be that companies face immediate PR blowback that kills sales when they release shoddy devices. They will quickly learn that to make any money they need to pay attention to implementing reasonable security precautions.

      Carry on soldier!

      Reality check: The blame will fall on the engineers and the D team that made the decision that ultimately cause the engineering fail will get a bonus for reducing cost. The lesson they quickly learned LONG ago is that their paycheck increases when they prioritize speed to market and decreases when they consider security.

      Reward 'bad' behavior, you get bad behavior. Punish 'good' behavior, you get more bad behavior.

      Purchasers don't do this but it is because they don't know any better. No wonder why, the only information they get from sources they themselves trust is from the manufacturer.

      This is why I hate sales people and why they must prove themselves innocent before I'll involve myself in any negotiation. Stop being like that sales people and maybe those that deal with actual reality might, if you are nice (your profession has a LOT of ill-will to overcome), I'll consider it. No, I don't want free shit, I just want honesty starting with what your product CAN'T do vs all the pie in the sky shit you tell the executives it can do.

    4. Re:Nasty?! Isn't this better for everyone? by locofungus · · Score: 1

      It's certainly vigilante. But given the societal harm being caused by shoddy IOT devices, bricking them is quite arguably noble. Also, this could be good for the affected users too.

      Would you feel the same if it was a expert gang who were gaining entry into peoples homes and smashing their insecure IOT devices and then leaving (doing no other damage at all)

      While I can understand the frustration that might have lead to this sort of attack, it, unfortunately, will probably not achieve the desired ends. End users will be told that the damage is due to a malicious act and not covered under warranty, they should claim on their insurance (which, almost certainly has an excess higher than the replacement cost). In fact, this could turn into an incentive for manufacturers to provide insecure devices (just sufficiently secure that it takes six months to a year for an exploit to emerge so they can get plenty of sales and discontinue the model before they all start dying). Then users can replace with a "New Improved" model.

      It's possible, of course, that in time lawmakers will get sufficiently upset that they'll force the liability back onto the manufacturer, at which point something might improve, but given that such an act is going to face extensive opposition and corporate lobbying, it's not going to be quick arriving.

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    5. Re:Nasty?! Isn't this better for everyone? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Where is the proof that it was a malicious act?

      "My webcam stopped working. I don't know why. Give me a new one or my money back."

    6. Re: Nasty?! Isn't this better for everyone? by monkeyzoo · · Score: 2

      Increased sales!
      Users will just go out and buy another one.

      Not from the same manufacturer though. ;-)
      At least eventually once they have a reputation for having their devices bricked.

    7. Re: Nasty?! Isn't this better for everyone? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Changing the SSID to something obviously hacked would draw same attention without permanent damage.

      This is assholery, not vigilantism.

    8. Re: Nasty?! Isn't this better for everyone? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      People send in lightning struck radios for warranty all the time. No one is surprised when it doesn't get fixed.

      Had a customer say his radio was DOA.

      When we received it, it was clearly dropped from the top of a tower, and then opened and incorrectly reassembled. I responded that we would not repair under warranty, and he sent back a very angry response, blaming us.

      No more sales from this guy, but he was a shit Customer to begin with. No loss.

    9. Re: Nasty?! Isn't this better for everyone? by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      When my iPod went through a wash cycle, it stopped working. I sent it to Apple, expecting to be told that it would cost $X to repair. I got a replacement back (the engraving was slightly different) for free. Surprised me.

      --
      "When you have eliminated the unacceptable, whatever is left, however improbable, must be the truthiness" - Holmes
    10. Re: Nasty?! Isn't this better for everyone? by monkeyzoo · · Score: 1

      How exactly do you change the SSID on a wifi dildo camera?

      Wi-Fi sex toy with built-in camera fails penetration test
      https://www.theregister.co.uk/...

    11. Re:Nasty?! Isn't this better for everyone? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      True that, man!

  18. Carry on... by monkeyzoo · · Score: 5, Interesting

    ... for the greater good:
    1) protect individuals and society from the harms of shoddy IOT devices.
    2) punish the companies producing them and create economic imperatives to design in security.

    1. Re:Carry on... by Highdude702 · · Score: 2

      Win Win all around. Give those men a cookie!

    2. Re:Carry on... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hm, isn't it more of an economic incentive for producers to make insecure devices though when owners buy new ones to replace the bricked ones?

    3. Re:Carry on... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Hm, isn't it more of an economic incentive for producers to make insecure devices though when owners buy new ones to replace the bricked ones?

      Not if the attitude of the owners becomes "screw buying a new one, it'll just get bricked again".

    4. Re: Carry on... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sorry you see it that way. Go after the uneducated consumer. So they have to buy a new lightbulb? A new toaster, my question is why does a lightbulb need to be on the internet? A toaster? Or a refer? Or washer dryer? A TV? I can see disabling the internet option, but it is usually not a consumer option. Only open to the recorder if the inputs. The company that made it.all they did was release something that will kill the light bulb, and reward the company to make more.

    5. Re: Carry on... by drakaan · · Score: 1

      The alternative is that the same ridiculously insecure IoT device gets infected with malware that allows it to become part of a botnet. This is better than that. The worst case scenario where a device is part of a botnet has a potentially huge and not inconsequential effect on a potentially huge number of people, whereas bricking said insecure device leads to customer dissatisfaction and provides a real incentive for manufacturers to quit selling shitty, insecure devices to people who don't know any better. This goes after irresponsible manufacturers, who will either have to provide replacements or stop selling devices. There's no real downside here.

      --
      "Murphy was an optimist" - O'Toole's commentary on Murphy's Law
    6. Re:Carry on... by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      For some reason, this reminds me of Team Rocket's entrance act.

      --
      "When you have eliminated the unacceptable, whatever is left, however improbable, must be the truthiness" - Holmes
  19. Sledgehammer approach: aka Cancer Treatment by n329619 · · Score: 1

    Except this is super effective. I approve this medication.

  20. sneer CAPTCHA: synergy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    DDoS is in peril. Oh, the humanity!

  21. Good. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Good. I am personally glad.

  22. I don't think it means what you think it means by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Reminder: if a device can be "unbricked" then it was never bricked in the first place.

  23. Finally someone is doing something about it... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...so our dear law enforcement will go after him (her?) with full force.

    The real criminals OTOH are always left alone, because "we do not have the means to do that"...

  24. Good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Good work. Keep this shit off my interwebs.

  25. Target the manufacturer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    We discussed this in our office, and we came up with another approach whereby the devices are used in a DDOS against the manufacturer of the device.

    1. Re:Target the manufacturer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think that the financial DDOS will be more successful.

  26. network terrorism by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Didn't know there were so many anarchists on slashdot... to hell with the rule of law, eh? (so long as it doesn't touch you)

    1. Re:network terrorism by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      It's not about anarchy; it's the fact that these devices need to be off the public internet until they are secured properly.

      This is a fact, as the IoT botnets have nearly knocked the root DNS servers offline and can generate traffic that threatens to overwhelm the best DDoS-protection providers (Cloudflare). Nevermind the fact that most people and businesses could even afford Cloudflare in the first place.

      There is no legal means of forcing the manufacturers and owners to secure them, so most people are supporting an outcome only because they believe it should have been mandated legally in the first place.

    2. Re:network terrorism by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      First of all there is no indication in the article the IOT devices being disabled are the ones used in those botnets.

      Secondly, if you people are so concerned about those botnets then I'm surprised you're not all up in arms to have laws passed that punish companies producing extremely insecure devices. (wait doesn't that mean every smartphone in existence?)

      All this wild west internet with hacks going left and right will accomplish is more people clamoring for more governmental control over the internet and internet-connected devices. Some of which may be warranted, granted. Just don't be surprised if the "solution" is more than what you asked for.

  27. Well I am not surprised by LordWabbit2 · · Score: 1

    Considering most of the people on /. are, in the main, IT sort of people, so it's not very surprising someone decided to take matters into their own hands and sort out the problem themselves. Surprised it took this long. I mean, Mirai's source code was available ages ago, I even downloaded it to take a look. What's amusing is my antivirus only picked it up a couple days ago.

    Good luck to them, I hope they are hiding their tracks properly, because this is still illegal.

    --
    There are three kinds of falsehood: the first is a 'fib,' the second is a downright lie, and the third is statistics.
    1. Re:Well I am not surprised by Falconhell · · Score: 1

      I've never seen such a consensus on Slasdot before, more than 95% of posts supporting.
      Keep up the good work whoever you are.

    2. Re:Well I am not surprised by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Now if somebody could only go after the spammers....

  28. Consumer protection law by DrYak · · Score: 3, Informative

    Depends on the jurisdiction but in Europe companies are required to cover warranty for quite a significant period of time
    (at least 24 months in this case. It might even be 36 months but I'm too lazy to google. Anyway given how recent this IoT craze is, most of the devices are definitely more recent than their warranty period and thus of course still covered)

    The constructor *HAS* to replace such bricked devices through warranty, with the user only bearing the cost of sending the bricked device and the manufacturer covering the cost of the new replacement and shipping that back to the user. (During the first few months the shop that did sell the device can even handle the replacement themselve and ship the defective through their own channels. The user will become the replacement immediately and 100% for free).

    So there is *definitely a strong economic incentive* to make the device secure.
    If the device is vulnerable, it is going to cost a lot due to warranty replacement and shipping.

    (And as pointed by others: if the replacements keep getting broken again, consumer will switch brands)

    --
    "Sufficiently advanced satire is indistinguishable from reality." - [Tips: 1DrYakQDKCQ6y52z6QbnkxHXAocMZJE61o ]
    1. Re: Consumer protection law by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wow. In Canada, a warranty would apply to manufacturing defects, which this clearly isn't. They also don't claim to prevent brute force attacks, which is what this is.

      If the manufacturer has to eat the bill here, that's fucked up.

      Plus, Ubiquity has shit warranty.

    2. Re:Consumer protection law by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      This is potentially a real problem for manufacturers.

      The device isn't failing because of manufacturing defects or ordinary wear and tear or anything predictable. It's failing because it's been deliberately attacked. If I bought a computer, and someone else shot it, I'd expect the manufacturer to not be responsible.

      It poses a considerable risk to a manufacturer. While the manufacturer might well have put in deficient security, but even if the manufacturer worked hard on security there are no guarantees. If a manufacturer sells a lot of X, and the bad guys find a security hole, the manufacturer could be on the hook for an unlimited number of X without receiving any payment, since a customer could find a series of Xs bricked.

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      "When you have eliminated the unacceptable, whatever is left, however improbable, must be the truthiness" - Holmes
    3. Re: Consumer protection law by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's far from impossible to create at least a much harder to brick device, one with low level recovery options. That'd be one way to avoid the cost of covering maliciously (or even accidentally) bricked devices under warranty. It'd be good for both companies and consumers. If tech companies are either too stupid or too stingy to implement such failsafes, I have little sympathy for them.

  29. Warranty mandatory in EU by DrYak · · Score: 1

    Hopefully (though doubtfully) the OEMs will be eating a lot of warranty returns. It is only if this costs the OEMs money that the problems will be fixed.

    Such warranty return are mandatory for the OEM to accept in Europe, at least 24 months (I think, it might by 36) and given how recent this IoT craze is, most devices still qualify for such returns.

    The cost might not get all the way to the cheap-ass chinese no-name manufacturer who did actually commit a device with such atrocious security.
    But the cost won't burden the end user, it would at least be a problem for the brand that decided to have their device manufactured, without exerting the necessary caution regarding security.
    If you're ready to import the device and stick your branding on it, you need to be held responsible for its security.

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  30. Intentional destruction of an industry by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    IOT, at best with mortal humans is a curiosity with little to no use for a high cost. To ensure fewer IOT devices are sold brick the existing boxes and the customer gives up. Now we look a little deeper at the world of Electronic Component Distributors that have bet the bank on IOT taking off like a rocket. Well, when it explodes on the launchpad (no offense intended TI), electronics distribution will fall back to one, maybe 2 distributors in the US, unless they too have bitten into IOT Hook Line and Sinker!

  31. Patreon by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You don't want to pay for an attack, maybe, in the three years, and then when it finally happens it only affects two models of smart lightbulb and a poor-selling refrigerator that's already off the market. Patreon is what you're looking for.

  32. Willful ignorance by drew_kime · · Score: 2

    They're just bricking it for the sake of bricking it.

    No. They're bricking it for the sake of preventing it from being used in a botnet.

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  33. This is not about the manufacturer's warranty by robbak · · Score: 1

    The written warranty gives the customer additional rights, such as replacement where the law only specifies repair, or give you a repair for something that could be normal wear-and-tear. But this is about 'implied warranties', such as a warranty of fitness, which the manufacturer or retailer cannot annul with pieces of paper. So they can write what they want, it doesn't matter.

    If you were sold a device to do a certain thing, and it was suitable for it, then you are due a refund.

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  34. definition by DrYak · · Score: 1

    Wow. In Canada, a warranty would apply to manufacturing defects, which this clearly isn't.

    It clearly is.
    The manufacturer used a defective conponent, even if said component(*) is software (the stupidly insecure firmware) rather than hardware (it's not a broken capacitor). From the point of view of the end user, it's all the same : the user both a IoT gizmo, use it as intended, did nothing wrong, but suddenly the gizmo stopped working without any forewarning.

    in EU and other european countries, manufacturing defects are defined as problems which aren't cause by neither excessive wear and tear, nor by abnormal use.

    You have a IoT (say a smart LED light bulb. e.g.: whose colour you can change with an App).
    You use it perfectly normally as instructed in the manual (i.e.: you screwed it into some ceiling light in your living room, and use the app to change colour) (i.e.: you're not submitting it to an abnormal amount of abuse (it's not fixed on the outside of your mud bike) and you're not using it in a unusual way (you're not kicking into it as a make-shift soccer ball) )
    Suddenly this IoT stop functioning (e.g.: Philips' SmartLED bulb have a buggy cloud-based firmware update system that is easy to spoof to load any payload. It could get hacked by this bricking worm).
    As you didn't do anything wrong, it's clearly considered as "manufacturing defect" (and in practice that's actually the case : Philips manufactured a smart LED bulb with a broken firmware - a firmware with an asinine security flaw making it easy to abuse) and thus it must be covered by warranty as required by most European jurisdictions.

    They also don't claim to prevent brute force attacks, which is what this is.

    The technical detailled reason why it stopped working isn't relevant.
    In most european countries, the only question that matters is :
    - Did the device suddenly stop working ?
    - Was it used as excepted when this occured ?(**)
    - Was this not expected as the normal wear and tear of the device (when used within reasonable parameters)

    If the manufacturer has to eat the bill here, that's fucked up.

    If the manufacturer is stupid enough to release a device running a defective firmware (stupidly insecure), they *have* to eat the bill replacing broken devices.
    (device broken due to their stupid firmware. not devices broken by users who aren't capable to use the device as they should).

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    (*) In lots of jurisdiction in europe, software *is* considered as a component of a device.
    That why in lots of countries here around you DO NOT have software patents. Only patents for devices which happen to have a software component also described in the patents claim.
    (**) This is also the weird reason why some customer services can legitimely require you to un-install your Linux and re-install Windows on a laptop with a defective part. That laptop was only designed to run Windows. It was never designed to run Linux. That not a normal use.
    (Although it's ridiculous when the warranty claim isn't about malfunctions bout about broken physical parts).

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  35. stop working without any visible abuse. by DrYak · · Score: 1

    The device isn't failing because of manufacturing defects or ordinary wear and tear or anything predictable. It's failing because it's been deliberately attacked. If I bought a computer, and someone else shot it, I'd expect the manufacturer to not be responsible.

    If you look into the details, a laptop isn't (normally) designed for the purpose of sustaining gun shots. The laptop getting shot and subsequently stopping to work isn't part of its normal operating mode.
    Whereas a IoT device is supposed to be constantly connected to the Internet - that waht the "I" in "IoT" means. Being connected to the internet is part of their intended normal use.

    If a manufacturer sells a lot of X, and the bad guys find a security hole, the manufacturer could be on the hook for an unlimited number of X without receiving any payment, since a customer could find a series of Xs bricked.

    If a customer bought X, and suddenly X stops working even if the customer always used X as instructed and did nothing wrong then the manufacturer has to replace X. Period. That's the law.

    It doesn't matter if the smart LED bulb stopped functioning because of a blown capacitor, or a software defect (See the spoofable firmware update on Philips smart LED bulbs).
    It's a light bulb that doesn't work anymore and if that happens within 24 months (10 years actual real-world warranty provided by some manufacturer like Philips) and the customer didn't do anything wrong, the manufacturer has to replace it or repair it.

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    1. Re:stop working without any visible abuse. by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      The problem here is that a manufacturer who makes a solid effort to do everything right could suddenly have to replace almost every instance of a certain product line. It may not be immediately obvious how to make a device that's immune to that particular attack If the manufacturer doesn't have a satisfactory replacement, what happens?

      What happens if a company manufactures a lock and it's forced? Does the company have to replace that lock?

      No matter what, this is a new sort of risk for the company. Typically, manufacturers of consumer goods haven't worried about external attack on their products costing them lots of money.

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    2. Re:stop working without any visible abuse. by sverdlichenko · · Score: 1

      Solid effort to prevent device from bricking must include upgradable firmware, so that once first devices are hit, rest may be patched. Also, it must include bootstrap ROM code, which will take over in case firmware is damaged and allow to restore it. And I use "must" here like in "there is absolutely no excuse for not using basic common sense". If manufacturer prefers to save some costs, it's a bet against hackers, and loser pays.