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Die-Hard Sysops Are Resurrecting BBS's From The 1980s (arstechnica.com)

Ars Technica reports on vintage computing hobbyists "resurrecting digital communities that were once thought lost to time...some still running on original 8-bit hardware." Sometimes using modern technology like Raspberry Pi and TCPser (which emulates a Hayes modem for Telnet connections), they're reviving decades-old dial-up bulletin board systems (or BBSes) as portals "to places that have been long forgotten." An anonymous reader writes: One runs the original software on a decades-old Commodore 128DCR. Another routes telnet connections across a real telephone circuit that connects to a Hayes modem. And after 23 years, the Dura-Europos BBS is back in business, using an Apple IIe running its original GBBS Pro software -- augmented with a modern CFFA3000 compact flash drive, and a Raspberry Pi running TCPser. [It's at dura-bbs.net, using port 6359.] Ars Technica blames "the meteoric rise of the World Wide Web and the demise of protocols that came before it" for the death of BBSes. "Owners of older 8-bit machines had little reason to maintain their hardware as their userbase migrated to the open pastures of the Web, and the number of bulletin board systems plummeted accordingly...

"Despite the threat of extinction, however, it turns out that some sysops never quite gave up on the BBS," and for many modern-day users, "it's simply a matter of 'dialing' the BBS using a domain name and port number instead of a phone number in their preferred terminal software." There they'll find primitive BBS games like STARTREK, Chess, and Blackjack, but also "old conversation threads dating back decades were available verbatim... It's like a buried digital time capsule."

One user says visiting a web site today "has a very public feel to it, whereas a BBS feels very much like being invited into someone's living room." The article also remembers "the dulcet tones of a 1200 baud connection (or 2400, if you were very lucky)," adding that "to see what was accomplished with so little was simply humbling."

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  1. never fear... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    migrated to the open pastures of the Web

    Not to fear: the internet is being closed back up against as fast as people can sign up for Facebook, use closed/proprietary IM systems, and DRM everything in sight.

    1. Re: never fear... by geekprime · · Score: 1

      It is the way of things, the old ways die off (or are forgotten and persist regardless like usenet) and are replaced with new things, whether or not the new things are better will be determined by the users, or dumb luck.

    2. Re: never fear... by Rick+Schumann · · Score: 1
      The first AC said:

      Not to fear: the internet is being closed back up against as fast as people can sign up for Facebook, use closed/proprietary IM systems, and DRM everything in sight.

      ..and the second AC said:

      It is about time to build an Internet on top of the Internet. One that can be truly free.

      ..and then there's what you said.

      None of you are wrong. The Internet is becoming nigh-unto unusable, because of what corporations and ISPs like Comcast are trying to do to it, turn it back into the 'walled gardens' that existed just before the Internet became so easily available to the public. The second AC is right, but for one detail: if there is no 'net neutrality', then ISPs could simply detect this Tor-like extranet, and either throttle the traffic down to an unusable speed, or block it entirely, using the excuse that they believe it to be 'criminal traffic' that they don't want on their networks, or somesuch nonsense. This is why the fight to keep the Internet open and free for all to use needs to continue. Otherwise it really will become unusable, except for what corporations want it to be used for.

      Oh and I'm replying to you because there's no telling if an AC is even going to come back to check if there are replies to their AC comments.

    3. Re: never fear... by garompeta · · Score: 1

      There is such project currently under development. Check out MaidSafe's SafeNetwork. The objective is to rebuild the internet from the ground up, being completely distributed (not only "decentralized"), anonymous, and secured by default. It is so secure and anonymous that it doesn't even use IP for routing, they developed their own protocol inspired on Kademlia. No more payments to corporations to host files or services. No more servers. A true P2P internet. It also has cryptocurrency to pay for storage on the network, you pay only once to upload, but there are no recurrent costs to maintain it. It is stored indefinitely for free. It is still under development and they are in the very early alpha stages, but it is extremely promising

  2. Stuff from our past, when we grew up... by MindPrison · · Score: 5, Interesting

    ...We remember them with fond memories.

    I remember when I spent so much of my savings as a kid to purchase that expensive 1200/2400/4800/9600 multimodem. Not to mention when I got two phonelines into my bedroom. My parents thought I was completely nuts, they complained about the "iiiiiii...ryryryryryryr....shhhhh" sounds at night, and I remember waking up to that music thinking, oh boy - someone is logging onto my computer.

    Sometimes they just called the BBS system just to chat with Sysop. ...Paging sysop....

    Sysop Coming Online...

    Ah, the memories.

    Just for the same reason I have my Commodore 64 next to me, I don't actually use it, and when I do - it's frightfully slow, but fun to do raster-interrupts and simple code challenges on anyway.

    We only do this because we are still remember the good times, they have very little to any good use today, but it's really just for the nostalgia.

    GOOD TIMES!

    --
    What this world is coming to - is for you and me to decide.
    1. Re:Stuff from our past, when we grew up... by kamapuaa · · Score: 3, Funny

      I still use old computers, but not out of nostalgia. I do it because "Lemonade Stand" for the c64 is way more fun than an XBox and all the fancy graphics in the world. I play it for like two hours a day.

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      Slashdot: providing anti-social weirdos a soapbox, since 1997.
    2. Re:Stuff from our past, when we grew up... by phantomfive · · Score: 1

      And why not? Since you're probably not using your landline for much these days. Might as well throw a BBS on it.

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      "First they came for the slanderers and i said nothing."
    3. Re:Stuff from our past, when we grew up... by somenickname · · Score: 1

      Is it even possible for most people to use a modem these days? I suspect most phone traffic is already passing through an ADC->DAC translation anyway. Trying to put a modem signal through that seems like a painful exercise.

    4. Re:Stuff from our past, when we grew up... by ogdenk · · Score: 1

      Most of the 8/16-bit BBS's popping back up are using things like Lantronix UDS or iPocket232 serialethernet adapters that emulate a modem. You actually telnet to them. For extra authenticity you can use something like Syncterm to get real ANSI, PETSCII or ATASCII support.

    5. Re:Stuff from our past, when we grew up... by JustAnotherOldGuy · · Score: 2

      Remember "1200 Baud, no lamers"?

      --
      Just cruising through this digital world at 33 1/3 rpm...
    6. Re:Stuff from our past, when we grew up... by antdude · · Score: 1

      Couldn't the modems be muted back then with ATM0 command?

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      Ant(Dude) @ Quality Foraged Links (AQFL.net) & The Ant Farm (antfarm.ma.cx / antfarm.home.dhs.org).
    7. Re:Stuff from our past, when we grew up... by geekprime · · Score: 1

      It dosen't hurt me one "bit"

    8. Re:Stuff from our past, when we grew up... by Zemran · · Score: 2

      I used to run a Fidonet hub and it was far more fun than my web site. Much more personal with people from all over getting to know each other. Loved it.

      --
      I love stacking my barbecues in the shed at the end of summer - you can't beat a bit of grill on grill action.
    9. Re:Stuff from our past, when we grew up... by commlinx · · Score: 1

      Is it even possible for most people to use a modem these days? I suspect most phone traffic is already passing through an ADC->DAC translation anyway. Trying to put a modem signal through that seems like a painful exercise.

      I did some work on a legacy embedded system using a 2400bps modem about 5 years back and it still worked fine over a modern phone system when the receiving end was VoIP with an analog modem attached. It was part of a gas meter reading systems where it piggy-backed on a POTS line and reported usage once a day, the tiny amount of data being transmitted only needed about a 30 second connection so a few hundred reporting back to a single line overnight with staggered connections and retries was practical. Some vending machines used to do the same until relatively recently but much rarer now that a GSM subscription can be had for $50 per annum in volume so trying to make use of an existing land-line would have a long payback time given the extra installation costs.

    10. Re:Stuff from our past, when we grew up... by ag0ny · · Score: 2

      Same here. I ran a BBS in Barcelona for a few years and was a Fidonet node during that time (2:343/163). The atmosphere in those message boards was so much better than almost everything on the Internet today.

    11. Re:Stuff from our past, when we grew up... by argStyopa · · Score: 4, Insightful

      (Astonished)

        "iiiiiii...ryryryryryryr....shhhhh"

      I've never seen someone so accurately spell phonetically the sound of a modem connecting.

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      -Styopa
    12. Re: Stuff from our past, when we grew up... by DontBeAMoran · · Score: 3, Funny

      Pepperidge Farm remembers.

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    13. Re:Stuff from our past, when we grew up... by Sperbels · · Score: 1

      Yes (although I don't remember if that is the correct hayes command), but not all programs allowed you to edit the initialization string...and that's assuming you knew how to do it.

    14. Re: Stuff from our past, when we grew up... by JustAnotherOldGuy · · Score: 1

      Vinyl records making comeback as well.

      And leeches, don't forget leeches. Doctors will be using them again real soon now.

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      Just cruising through this digital world at 33 1/3 rpm...
    15. Re: Stuff from our past, when we grew up... by fibonacci8 · · Score: 1

      If by "real soon now" you mean since the '70s. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

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    16. Re: Stuff from our past, when we grew up... by JustAnotherOldGuy · · Score: 1

      If by "real soon now" you mean since the '70s.

      Yes, in niche applications, but no modern doctor routinely suggests the use of leeches and I think we both know that.

      --
      Just cruising through this digital world at 33 1/3 rpm...
    17. Re: Stuff from our past, when we grew up... by CheapEngineer · · Score: 1

      Perhaps your Anonymous Coward ass can teach us all something

    18. Re: Stuff from our past, when we grew up... by f3rret · · Score: 1

      If by "real soon now" you mean since the '70s.

      Yes, in niche applications, but no modern doctor routinely suggests the use of leeches and I think we both know that.

      What? Every doctor doesn't use those things in all cases?

      Well...fuck. I think I need to have a talk with my doctor...

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    19. Re: Stuff from our past, when we grew up... by kenh · · Score: 1

      110 baud was the bomb!

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      Ken
    20. Re:Stuff from our past, when we grew up... by Gornkleschnitzer · · Score: 1

      For what it's worth, here's a newer 56K modem's handshake, including phone dialing.

      Dialing...
      "Brrrrrrrrr bop bop beep bop boop beep boop..... kerdoonkKREEACK! p'KAY ee-ee-ee-ee-err-rrrrr-rr-aahhhh kerdum-kerdum-kerduh-kssshhhhhhhh rrrrrrrr *BEEP* rhrhrhrhr HrrrrgghhRRHGRHRHRGHRHR wee kshhhhhhhhhh."
      Authenticating....
      Connected to remote computer.

  3. A 128DCR? by 50000BTU_barbecue · · Score: 1

    With a 1581? Or for real old-school power, a SFD-1001.

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    Mostly random stuff.
  4. 1200 baud? Get off my lawn by swb · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I remember when 1200 baud was unobtainium expensive and many dial up services didn't even have 1200 modems at all. 300 was decent, but you had to put up with 110 once in a blue moon if the modem pool got full.

    For the longest time I had an AppleCat that would only do some weird half-duplex 1200 baud that was unusable with normal 1200 baud. Somebody figured out a simple handshake system and made it possible to send whole floppies at 1200 baud.

    1. Re: 1200 baud? Get off my lawn by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      300 baud? I remember 110 baud accoustic couplers.

      Those were the days. I might have to fire up my old BBS again and hook it into the web.

  5. Ahhh, the memories by willoughby · · Score: 5, Insightful

    http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0460402/]BBS: The Documentary[/URL

    is a pretty good look back. It would also be intensely boring to anyone who wasn't there.

    1. Re:Ahhh, the memories by antdude · · Score: 1

      I'd love to see a follow-up/sequel of it.

      --
      Ant(Dude) @ Quality Foraged Links (AQFL.net) & The Ant Farm (antfarm.ma.cx / antfarm.home.dhs.org).
  6. The pre-Internet days... by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 5, Informative

    I ran a WildCat! BBS on an old IBM AT computer with a 2400 baud modem during 1994-95 school year when I was at the university. TradeWars and Legends of The Red Dragon (LOTRD) were my favorite DOOR games. I was planning to build my BBS empire until something called the Internet came along. I was a dot com bust before there was dot coms to go bust.

    1. Re:The pre-Internet days... by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 2

      Cool stuff indeed, but I would humbly request that you not call 1994 "pre-internet".

      The Internet didn't become popular with the public at large until 1995. I had my first dial-up UNIX account and browsed the Internet with Lynx in 1995. For me, anything before 1995 is pre-Internet.

      That was my 10th year on the internet!

      Anything that suddenly becomes popular with the public at large has probably been around for at least ten years or more. Thanks for confirming what everyone else already knows.

      Discovering usenet in the mid 80's was... interesting.

      So much ASCII porn, so little time.

    2. Re:The pre-Internet days... by dwywit · · Score: 1

      Perhaps an ATDT bust rather than dot com.

      --
      They sentenced me to twenty years of boredom
    3. Re:The pre-Internet days... by kenai_alpenglow · · Score: 1

      I was using the internet ~1992, and it had been going strong for some time prior--agree, mainly in the .edu world, but still internet. And pre Mosaic. I remember playing with my first web page soon after (prior to 1994). So before 1994 could be "pre-www", but definitely not pre-internet.

    4. Re:The pre-Internet days... by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 1

      14.4 modems were common in 1994, and 28.8 was common by 1995.

      Common, yes. Inexpensive, no. Not for a college student who got kicked out of the university and worked three years as a restaurant cook. Most of my hardware were hand me downs from people who upgraded their PCs. Once I got my technical career started in software testing, I was able to start custom building PCs.

    5. Re:The pre-Internet days... by Osgeld · · Score: 1

      highly doubtful as pre internet in 1992 was more or less always on BBS'es that did little more and often time less than the most basic bbs

      yea great you ping ponged machines during college classes, called it the internet post 1995 when it was kewl, but really you didnt, lets be honest here

    6. Re:The pre-Internet days... by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 1

      The point is, you spoke as if the internet "came along" in around 1994, but it had 3 million hosts and over 10 million users by then.

      As I pointed out to someone else, when the public at large becomes aware of a technology it has already existed for at least ten years or longer. The technology for TVs existed in the 1920s but didn't become a consumer item until the 1950s. One could argue that TV's didn't exist prior to the 1950's.

    7. Re:The pre-Internet days... by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 1

      The internet was not "BBS's", and neither was it "AOL".

      The Internet prior to 1995 was the like the dial-up UNIX account I had in 1995. I could telnet into other systems (typically a university mainframe), transfer files from a university ftp server (the early days of shareware and Linux distributions), or give someone the finger.

    8. Re:The pre-Internet days... by David_Hart · · Score: 2

      In 1993 to 1994 I was on the internet at University of New Brunswick in Canada (Fredericton). They had a few UNIX systems set up. It was my first introduction to UNIX and X-Windows. I primarily used it to connect to Usenet and news groups. It was where I found a ton of apps for my HP48 programmable calculator from other university repositories.

      So yes, the "Internet" was around in 1992. However, web sites and browsers were not in use until years later.

    9. Re:The pre-Internet days... by ogdenk · · Score: 1

      Bullshit. You could get SL/IP access for a few years prior to 1994 and UNIX shell accounts on internet connected systems LONG before that. Windows systems were at a disadvantage in that timeframe because you needed a buggy third party TCP/IP stack. MacTCP worked just fine though.

    10. Re: The pre-Internet days... by aquabat · · Score: 1

      No, but if you INTERconnect some separate NETworks with a common communications protocol (an INTER-NETworking Protocol, let's call it "IP" for short) then I would accept that as a useful definition.

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      A republic cannot succeed till it contains a certain body of men imbued with the principles of justice and honour.
    11. Re:The pre-Internet days... by kamapuaa · · Score: 1

      2400 in 94/95? Dude, your BBS sucked!

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      Slashdot: providing anti-social weirdos a soapbox, since 1997.
    12. Re:The pre-Internet days... by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 1

      2400 in 94/95? Dude, your BBS sucked!

      BBSes with 2400 modems weren't uncommon in Silicon Valley at that time.

    13. Re: The pre-Internet days... by RobinBermanseder · · Score: 1

      Ah, vicky.dat!

    14. Re: The pre-Internet days... by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 1

      MUDs like BatMUD (still around) were there in the early 90s, I started playing 92. There were hundreds of others, and yes it was very much in the Internet.

      I never got into the MUD scene. Probably for the same reasons I never got into MMORPG scene. I just don't have the time.

    15. Re:The pre-Internet days... by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 1

      You sure about that?

      It was 20+ years ago.

      Also, some of us got out and found jobs, mowing yards or scooping snow or whatever to buy a 9600 or 14.4!

      I was working minimum wage and paying the rent.

      We were users first and learned the ropes, became SYSOPs and helped others learn.

      Been there, done that. For one year.

    16. Re:The pre-Internet days... by fox171171 · · Score: 1

      Perhaps an ATDT bust rather than dot com.

      ATDP for me.

    17. Re:The pre-Internet days... by supremebob · · Score: 1

      I upgraded from a Hayes 2400 baud modem to a Hayes 28.8k external modem in 1995. I'd imagine that it cost around $200 at the time, but I'm not sure since my parents got it for me.

      My next PC same bundled with a Lucent WinModem around 1997. Those modems were hated for some reason, but I was able to upgrade that sucker from 28.8 to 33.6 to K56 Flex to V.90 56K just by updating the drivers a few times over the next 2 years. That seemed pretty awesome to me.

    18. Re:The pre-Internet days... by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 1

      My next PC same bundled with a Lucent WinModem around 1997. Those modems were hated for some reason,[...]

      WinModems were software-based (i.e., the PC CPU did all the work) and Windows-only compatible. Regular modems were hardware-based and could operate with Linux, Mac or Windows. If you were running a BBS, you wanted a hardware-based modem.

    19. Re:The pre-Internet days... by Gr8Apes · · Score: 1

      highly doubtful as pre internet in 1992 was more or less always on BBS'es that did little more and often time less than the most basic bbs

      yea great you ping ponged machines during college classes, called it the internet post 1995 when it was kewl, but really you didnt, lets be honest here

      Having been on pre-92, and doing significantly more than that. mail, talk, finger, MUDs, file sharing and development, posting on "boards". Hmmm, sounds a lot like today's internet, actually, just with a different GUI slapped on it.

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      The cesspool just got a check and balance.
    20. Re:The pre-Internet days... by Gr8Apes · · Score: 1

      There were these really cool things called Archie and Gopher in 92. WWW was just getting started at that time.

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      The cesspool just got a check and balance.
    21. Re:The pre-Internet days... by kenai_alpenglow · · Score: 1

      Nope, used it for research on my thesis. Govt university and EDU machines were decently connected back then. No home-user ISPs that I was aware of, but we could modem in to the SPARCs and go were we needed to. And we called it the "internet" back then, too--even prior to AOL.

  7. Fond memories by mprindle · · Score: 4, Informative

    Back in the day I would dial into Chrysalis BBS in Dallas, TX. At one point the BBS had 96 lines into it so it had chat rooms and multi-player games. I started out on a 2400 baud modem, stepped up to a 14.4 modem and when I got the 56K modem, I was on top of the world.

    They had one MUD that I would play, every night at 3am the in game goodies would reset. There was one area that you could buy gold, silver and copper. The supply was very very limited so you had to be in the area when the game reset cause it was gone with in mins. I remember setting my alarm for 2:55 one morning, I got up got the goods, sold them and went back to bed. This MUD had active devs that would add new areas which kept it fun. May I wish I could remember the name of it. At one point the SysOp tried to bring the BBS back online through a web portal about 10 years ago, but it really went anywhere.

  8. telnet links by sproketboy · · Score: 1

    Telnet links still work AFAIK so why not post them?

    1. Re:telnet links by dknj · · Score: 1

      you're welcome

      -dk

    2. Re:telnet links by Trax3001BBS · · Score: 1

      Telnet links still work AFAIK so why not post them?

      Most are just muds now https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

    3. Re:telnet links by Narcocide · · Score: 1

      towel.blinkenlights.nl?

    4. Re:telnet links by SuricouRaven · · Score: 1

      There are still a good few mucks around. Furrymuck, SPR, Alfandria. I don't know if Latitude is still going - last I heard it was down to the last handful of regulars desperately trying to keep a community running.

    5. Re:telnet links by Trax3001BBS · · Score: 1

      Telnet links still work AFAIK so why not post them?

      No replies? Here http://www.graphcomp.com/mutt/... a list of muds, and misc telnets http://www.telnet.org/htm/plac...

    6. Re:telnet links by sproketboy · · Score: 1

      Kids today.... Thanks

  9. Binkleyterm... by msauve · · Score: 3, Interesting

    running Fidonet. The good old days where the rules were simple:

    Don't be excessively annoying.
    Don't be easily annoyed.

    Fuck AOL, for how "far" we've come.

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    "National Security is the chief cause of national insecurity." - Celine's First Law
    1. Re:Binkleyterm... by Pikoro · · Score: 1

      Yup. I was running the northern california fidonet hub back in the 90-91 range. Those were the days...

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      "Freedom in the USA is not the ability to do what you want. It is the ability to stop others from doing what THEY want"
    2. Re:Binkleyterm... by Megane · · Score: 1

      I ran a Fidonet system as well. I can't remember what frontend I used, maybe it was Front Door. I even wrote my own mail tosser in Turbo Pascal. Somewhere I still have that old PC, and it still boots into OS/2 and the BBS. OS/2 was the best DOS multi-tasker ever.

      I stopped caring so much about in the late '90s, but in early 2000, I got DSL with a small static IP block, and I've had a static IP at home ever since.

      I think about running some kind of BBS or local-focused web forum from time to time, but there's always something more important to do.

      And the rules were brilliant. There isn't enough focus on the Too Easily Annoyed part these days; almost everybody gets a pass, if only because their information is the real product, and advertisers are the real product. You have to annoy the most annoying of the too easily annoyed types to get kicked from stuff these days.

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  10. Post up your favorite init string! by OctobrX · · Score: 1

    Mine was:

    AT &D1 &D2 \N0

    Surprised I still remember it.

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    1. Re: Post up your favorite init string! by Megane · · Score: 1

      I recognized that as a Courier init string about a third of the way in. I still have mine somewhere, along with a stack of few others that I found in thrift stores in the late '90s/early 2Ks. Hell no, there was no way I was gonna let a Courier modem get junked. Screw Sportsters, though, even the externals.

      And then there was the time I found a Courier that didn't have all its features enabled (like HST, for instance) and I found some Russian flasher software and firmware image to hack it with. I actually had to go in with DOS Debug to make a couple of patches because the flasher wasn't waiting long enough in a timeout loop somewhere, but I got it running long enough for the hacked firmware to set all the feature flags. Ah, those were the days when firmware wasn't always encrypted and signed, and obscurity was the only thing in the way of hacking it.

      Now that I have my phone service as part of the DSL modem, I don't even know what bandwidth I would get if I hooked up a modem to it. Would it stick me with a 9600bps compressed voice channel, or would it make its VoIP-based calls with a full 56K T0 equivalent and give me the best signal possible? I would hope the latter, if only because there are people out there who are still in love with their fax machines.

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    2. Re: Post up your favorite init string! by demonlapin · · Score: 1

      Oh, man, I used that Russian flasher too. On a 5690 Winmodem, IIRC.

      As for your speeds, there is a standard protocol (T.38) for sending FAX over VOIP, most ATA's support it. Don't know if there is an equivalent for pure data transmission. The last time I had a modem running over VOIP (ReplayTV 3000 series, best UI of any DVR I've ever used) was ca. 2004, and it worked well enough at 9600 to keep my guide data updated. It probably failed about once a week, but it would get the full info the next night.

    3. Re: Post up your favorite init string! by Megane · · Score: 1

      USR was such a cool company before they rushed to merchandise to the masses.

      You mean "before they got borged by 3com", right? After that they were completely worthless. At least Zyxel got to make a couple of DSL modems before fading off into irrelevancy.

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  11. Concepts of BBSes are still missing from the web by TheDarkener · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I wrote this circa 2012, on the relevance and missing community aspect of BBSes these days..

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    Over the past months I have thought a lot about how social networking websites such as Myspace and Facebook (and the newer Google+) always seem to have their “golden age” of popularity – and then steadily decline.

    I’ve thought about when I switched from Myspace to Facebook. There just seemed to be a specific point where it would have been more productive to invest my time in my (newly created) Facebook profile – and a majority of my flock of friends and family I had connected with had migrated as well.

    And then I’ve thought about my transition from Friendster to Myspace. Friendster was one of the very first generalized social networking websites. It was great in its own regard, though it was primitive compared to what Facebook and Google+ are today. At its core, though, it was a beautiful creation and a great idea to bring casual conversation to a worldwide audience.

    Going back further, I reminisce about the rise of the Internet and the subsequent decline of dial-up Bulletin Board Systems. Anyone who knows me personally from the mid-90’s and earlier knows how nostalgiac I am about BBSes even today. There has always been something about them that Internet-based social networking websites today can’t seem to hold a candle to – something I could never put my finger on.

    Just the other night I was reading a paper called “The Temporary Autonomous Zone”, which describes communities of past and present – all different types from 18th century pirate utopias to the (then) modern computerized communities of Bulletin Board Systems. It described the social aspects of these communities and their decentralized (some would say anarchy-based) nature. Though most of them hold no place in history books, their ideals were always the cornerstone of their purpose. Many of them were actually meant to be temporary; the lifespan of the community was inherent to its validity.

    Myspace, Facebook and Google+ all have the same idea – connecting and socializing with people you know in real life. What seems to be the common decline with these sites in general is quite simply that once your userbase reaches a certain threshold, the communal foundation itself starts to wobble and eventually comes tumbling down on top of itself. More specifically, once your “friends” list becomes more than you can handle, you start to question the validity and value of the people you have connected with as well as the community as a whole.

    For me, it started with a “friend sweep” – going through my list and removing the friends who I didn’t find completely necessary to communicate with. My first sweep list consisted people I knew in school and past jobs, but never really conversed with anyway. Then came the ones who I did genuinely care about, but just couldn’t stand to see one more post about their political stance/life story/band/business happenings. After many months and multiple sweeps, however, the stale smell of wasted time still hung in the air for me. This resulted in me leaving the site for a time, declaring my independence and recaptured freedom and liberty. (Dramatic, aren’t I?) Of course, I have come back and left a few times, repeating the same shenanigans. The desire to communicate with those I care about draws me back. The feeling of distance, the feeling that people are screaming through a bullhorn at a ginormous crowd (i.e. their friends list) makes me leave because I feel like I have no real connection with them.

    With all of this back and forth came a realization to me that old-school dialup Bulletin Board Systems rarely encountered these kinds of issues. For the most part, BBSes always seemed to hold a small, passionate community that kept themselves on target with what they were trying to accomplish (which was the same goal as modern social networks – informal human to human

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  12. I wish... by thadtheman · · Score: 2

    we used modern technology as well as we used that old technology. Nowadays we have images, videos, sound etc. all to the good. But why does starting a browser alone use 25% CPU usage and using 3/4 of my memory. Maybe someone will start to make BBS systems with modern equipment that can compete with "the Web".

    1. Re:I wish... by AHuxley · · Score: 1

      Its all the ads, tracking, cookies that slow the web down.
      Ideas like Hotline did try to offer a more modern feel and communities https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

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    2. Re:I wish... by Narcocide · · Score: 1

      Flash and JQuery, man.

  13. revive? they never left... by night_flyer · · Score: 1

    I only shut mine down about 4 years ago after a hardware failure, there were still plenty then.

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    1. Re:revive? they never left... by Osgeld · · Score: 1

      agreed there's a ton of them for every gen and faction of computer that never even died

      hell the one I used to co-sysop back in 1993 only went down last year for a few months just cause some 20 something year old ram shat itself on the original 386/DX25 finally got flakey

      its running happily on a 90mhz pentium now

  14. I approve of this. by Narcocide · · Score: 1

    I would like my Commodores back now, please. Which one of you has them?

    1. Re:I approve of this. by 50000BTU_barbecue · · Score: 1

      I have a VIC-20, a C64, a 64C, a SX-64, a 128DCR, 1764, 1351, 1541, 1571, and two SFD-1001s.... Yeah, a bit of a hoarding thing going on. Don't get me started on my vintage test gear!

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    2. Re:I approve of this. by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 1

      I went through three Commodore 64 systems during a ten-year period (1984-94) as a student in school and college. I had to send my floppy drive out to repair once during that time period, as the built power supply went bad. I also had a green monochrome monitor and a NLQ dot matrix printer. I had an electronic typewriter that survived all three C64s because instructors wouldn't accept print outs since wordprocessors turned students into lazy writers. Yes, I did copy and paste with rubber cement when revising my typed papers.

    3. Re:I approve of this. by Narcocide · · Score: 1

      Did any of those come with a pair of red&black ergonomic "Epyx" brand joysticks?

    4. Re:I approve of this. by NormalVisual · · Score: 1

      So *you're* the other guy with an SX-64. ;-)

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    5. Re:I approve of this. by ogdenk · · Score: 1

      That's OK.... I have an Atari 400, 800, 600XL, 800XL, 130XE all with some sort of RAM upgrades.... a 1050 Happy drive.... 850 Parallel/4xserial interface with serial-to-ethernet adapter that emulates a modem.... IDE controller (with 2 CF cards hooked up).... SIO2SD SD-card interface.... a 1010 cassette drive.... an SIO2PC Atari SIO-to-USB (USB to TTL serial basically) interface....

      So yeah, I hoard a bit. Only 2 of those machines are hooked up though but most of the peripherals are on the 800XL. The 400 lives in the living room with the SIO2SD so the kids can play old-ass games when they feel like it.

      The only vintage test gear I have is because I'm broke and can't afford new shit.... a Tektronix 2235 scope, an old 70's lab power supply and a shitty function generator.

    6. Re:I approve of this. by Megane · · Score: 1

      I have a couple of broken (as in the plastic case) C64s with no power supply lying around.

      No, you can not have the SID chips, I plan to hook them up to a microcontroller.

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    7. Re:I approve of this. by CronoCloud · · Score: 1

      I had an electronic typewriter that survived all three C64s because instructors wouldn't accept print outs since wordprocessors turned students into lazy writers.

      How could they tell the difference? Sure, they could tell the difference with a 9-pin printer in draft mode, but a 24 pin NLQ or daisywheel?

      Heck, it's even possible to hook up a Deskjet or Laserjet to a C64, with a GeoCable. IIRC I once got a Deskjet to do text mode output from a C128 with a Xetec printer interface attached.

    8. Re:I approve of this. by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 1

      Sure, they could tell the difference with a 9-pin printer in draft mode, but a 24 pin NLQ or daisywheel?

      Fan fold paper was not always the same quality or have the sharp edges as regular paper. Typewritten pages are likely to have evidence of ink out or correction tape.

  15. Re:couldn't afford it by dwywit · · Score: 1

    and I'm still poor.

    That's no-one else's fault, and it's no-one else's problem.

    Fuck all of you motherfuckers

    And with that attitude, you'll stay poor and die poor.
     

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  16. Re:Concepts of BBSes are still missing from the we by AHuxley · · Score: 1

    It was like that with IRC, forums, Hotline https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/..., KDX.

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  17. Re:Concepts of BBSes are still missing from the we by Narcocide · · Score: 1

    Congrats on posting what is probably the first and only "Read the rest of this comment..." message on /. that was actually worth reading.

  18. I remember Hotline Communications by Joe_Dragon · · Score: 1

    I remember Hotline Communications

  19. What happened to Slashdot? by PopeRatzo · · Score: 4, Informative

    "Despite the threat of extinction, however, it turns out that some sysops never quite gave up on the BBS," and for many modern-day users, "it's simply a matter of 'dialing' the BBS using a domain name and port number instead of a phone number in their preferred terminal software." There they'll find primitive BBS games like STARTREK, Chess, and Blackjack, but also "old conversation threads dating back decades were available verbatim... It's like a buried digital time capsule."

    As someone who was there 25 years ago, I can tell you, it was no golden age. There were already trolls complaining about the 1990s version of "SJWs" and hollering that there were too many posts that weren't "tech" enough.

    Imagine today's Slashdot, but in lower resolution, and having to wait while a GNAA comment loaded on the screen.

    On the plus side, there was plenty of ASCII porn.

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    1. Re:What happened to Slashdot? by dissy · · Score: 2

      On the plus side, there was plenty of ASCII porn.

      Or with a few dollar donation one can gain access to the high-res 160x120 GIF porn section.

      The interlacing along with 2400 baud only added to the mystique :}~

    2. Re:What happened to Slashdot? by PopeRatzo · · Score: 2

      and dick-nozzles like you posting on every fucking thing like anyone gives a fuck what you think.

      Especially dick-nozzles like me.

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  20. Lazy coders by ArchieBunker · · Score: 1

    Because coders are lazy. Your average desktop today is orders of magnitude faster than 20 years ago. Programs never load any faster and pages never render any faster either.

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  21. WWIV + LORD + Tradewars. by _KiTA_ · · Score: 2

    WWIV + LORD + Tradewars. That was middle school in a nutshell, on a 14.4 bbs with a phone cord strung out from my room to the living room to sneak on at 1 AM...

    1. Re:WWIV + LORD + Tradewars. by Trax3001BBS · · Score: 1

      WWIV + LORD + Tradewars. That was middle school in a nutshell, on a 14.4 bbs with a phone cord strung out from my room to the living room to sneak on at 1 AM...

      I played one game on an IBM BBS I really enjoyed called "Food Fight". A text based food fight where one earned or lost food...

    2. Re:WWIV + LORD + Tradewars. by Megane · · Score: 2

      I ran a BBS, and so did a couple of my friends. A friend's BBS had a multi-player BBS door (maybe it was even LORD) that only one user ever played, and he called daily at the optimal time. It had a screen full of really cheesy flavor text when it started up ("You are the Lord of the Land!" type stuff), and I decided to hex-edit the text into a parody of the original. I don't think I changed anything else but that intro text. So my friend and I waited (we only had to wait an hour or so), and sure enough, he logged in. And went to the game. And apparently he actually read that crap every time, because he immediately blew a gasket when he saw it.

      It was so worth it.

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  22. Yes, it's hard to quit by Trax3001BBS · · Score: 1

    I can't have what I had due to the Internet more so IRC.

    I ran 3001 BBS (go figure), a 6 line chat board.

    Cnet software on an Amiga 3000, a 6 port serial printer card, 6 2400 baud modems and a Robotics HST (1400 baud) which I allowed any one who wanted to log in for free, a donation gave more time forever (time was a commodity).

    I ran it for close to 4 years 24/7, and it was the most popular BBS this area ever saw. Post I was going to the park and a few would show up, card games every weekend, it was a very nice time. People of all ages just wanted something to do, and I managed a few girl friends.

    I could and did take my entire chat area and join up with any Cnet software in the world, this at 10 Cents a minutes for each phone line.

    It cost a bundle but my hobby, and I'd go back to those days in a heart beat but it's over.

    1. Re:Yes, it's hard to quit by Narcocide · · Score: 1

      It cost a bundle but my hobby, and I'd go back to those days in a heart beat but it's over.

      I feel ya, really I do. Remember when the concept of entire international networks of computers being disabled by a government-funded, self-propagating, polymorphic computer virus was nothing more than hyperbolic science-fiction absurdity? Remember when we used to think to ourselves: "Yea, but in real life who would be stupid enough to hook software that insecure to an open public network?"

      Oh, for the return of simpler times. We understood the technology so very well, but we understood people almost not at all.

    2. Re:Yes, it's hard to quit by Trax3001BBS · · Score: 1

      It cost a bundle but my hobby, and I'd go back to those days in a heart beat but it's over.

      I feel ya, really I do. Remember when the concept of entire international networks of computers being disabled by a government-funded, self-propagating, polymorphic computer virus was nothing more than hyperbolic science-fiction absurdity? Remember when we used to think to ourselves: "Yea, but in real life who would be stupid enough to hook software that insecure to an open public network?"

      Oh, for the return of simpler times. We understood the technology so very well, but we understood people almost not at all.

      While on the Amiga side during the "war", there was security through obscurity, I even hex edited the version number of the Cnet software so nobody knew what "exploit" could be used.

      Yet yes it's a different time, I'm seeing Linux and the reported people connected to ones computer the only way of being sure your secure. More than one I'd consider a problem.

  23. Door.sys by Venner · · Score: 1

    Does anyone else recall struggling with the door.sys file on your BBS? One door game generally worked fine, but woe to you when you tried to configure multiple door games on your BBS, particularly with more than one user at a time!

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    1. Re:Door.sys by TheDarkener · · Score: 1

      IIRC DORINFO.DAT was a more stable solution. At least on Renegade.

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    2. Re:Door.sys by Venner · · Score: 1

      I think I ran mostly TurboBBS or Searchlight (before they went all crazy and modern with 'RIP' graphics.) Searchlight in particular didn't do certain things the standard way, even if they made other things a lot easier... I seem to remember having issues with the FOSSIL driver too.

      The last time I did a thorough housecleaning, I ran across a floppy with Telix and a bunch of SALT scripts. Ah, memories.

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  24. This has been going on for ages.... by ogdenk · · Score: 2

    Most of the 8/16-bit BBS's popping back up are using things like Lantronix UDS or iPocket232 serialethernet adapters that emulate a modem. You actually telnet to them. For extra authenticity you can use something like Syncterm to get real ANSI, PETSCII or ATASCII support.

    Many of these BBS's simply run on emulators but the die-hards use real hardware. I connect to a couple to play old-ass online door games. Normally I use SyncTerm but I have a tricked out 800XL (576K RAM, Happy 1050 floppy, IDE interface and Atari 850 RS232/Parallel interface w/ iPocket232) that I connect with occasionally.

    Another option with Atari 8-bit machines is using something like APE or SIO2OSX and using your PC to emulate devices.... the adapter can be built for $5 using an FTDI FT232RL USBTTL serial breakout board. This is convenient for transferring or running real disk images/files as well as printer emulation and modem emulation. Makes running "backups" of all those old games you could never find or afford very easy. The Atari 8-bit machines are the easiest to pull this off on.

    This is nothing new. It's just most people under 30 couldn't give a shit less.

    1. Re:This has been going on for ages.... by ogdenk · · Score: 1

      Oh and if you want a real dialup board.... magicjack or similar bargain-basement voip boxes should handle 2400bps just fine.

  25. No they're not by JustAnotherOldGuy · · Score: 1

    "Hard Sysops Are Resurrecting BBS's From The 1980s"

    No they're not. A few cranks are emulating legacy point-to-point systems because it's an insanely hipster thing to do, but no one is resurrecting BBS'.

    Next on slashdot, ""Die-Hard Cowboys Are Resurrecting Buggy-whips From The 1880s"

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  26. Perfect storm by aquabat · · Score: 2

    I just have to chime in here and say that I'm finding almost every post on this story interesting and entertaining in a way that I haven't experienced on /. in a long, long time. More of this please!

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  27. My favourite thing about this by jenningsthecat · · Score: 3, Insightful

    isn't the nostalgia angle. I like that it could morph into a viable, minimalist alternative to the corporately-owned, advertising-funded, privacy-annihilating crapcake that the Internet has become. It would be pretty tough for anyone to monetize BBSes in any significant way when they're running on low-bandwidth connections and have relatively small membership numbers. BBSes and modems would restore some fun and some adventure to the act of going online. There's one big difference, right there in those two words: 'going online' as a conscious decision, rather than 'being online' as a normalized state of existence.

    Plus, wouldn't it be kind of 'modern steampunk' to have a modem app on a phone or tablet so you could 'dial in' to a BBS? Oh, wait - I guess that would require the Internetz again. Oh well...

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    1. Re:My favourite thing about this by TheDarkener · · Score: 1

      I've thought a few times that some kind of disconnected RPi / Wi-Fi BBS solution would be cool. Like at a coffee shop, a standardized SSID ("BBS" ?) that people would connect to whose only purpose would be to serve the BBS. It would purposefully not have Internet access, but would be a local-only social platform for brick-and-mortar places that may even help draw patrons in.

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    2. Re:My favourite thing about this by wierd_w · · Score: 2

      I was reading some interesting things earlier as a result of this story.

      Apparently, you can run multiple instances of dosbox on a *nix OS, and with the right code patches compiled in, dosbox emulates NE2000 cards and properly does the system realtime clock. This would let you emulate a whole fleet of nodes on a virtual network that are able to communicate with each other, able to run original software. (Actual Wildcat!, for example) You can pipe the virtual serial from the dosbox instance to a serial device on the linux host, so if you REALLY wanted, there are all kinds of way you could attach real modems. Honestly though, connecting with telnet or ssh would be better. If you wanted the full experience though, using some kind of virtual modem over voip might be doable, so you dont need multiple physical lines, just a fat internet pipe.

      (further reading)
      https://www.archaicbinary.net/...
      http://www.jacco2.dds.nl/samba...

      The guy uses an ESXi server to do the virtual dosbox instances, but a linux box would work just as good.

      4 or more such virtual systems could be run on something like a consumer grade NAS (400 to 800mhz ARM processor and 1 to 2gb RAM with a pretty big spinny disk running linux), and several of those could be stuck on a shelf next to each other without major issue, and link the virtual networks together over an actual ethernet backbone between the boxes. The whole thing could be on a private network and routed out behind an actual router.

      These days, a typical person could host a pretty intense BBS farm on the cheap if they knew what they were doing.

      I am just imagining the silliness of a DMCA takedown notice being sent against a system that requires somebody to actually dial in.

    3. Re:My favourite thing about this by jenningsthecat · · Score: 1

      That's a terrific idea, and I'd be there in a heartbeat. Not just coffee shops, but also pubs. With the addition of some battery packs of reasonable capacity, the idea could be extended to public spaces, and perhaps even to food courts in shopping malls. Pop-up BBS events!

      In densely populated areas, this idea could also become usefully subversive. Connections made between those local networks could form a mesh network - an open, democratic, providerless alternative to the Internet. That's definitely getting away from the retro spirit of a pure BBS, but it's still an interesting thought.

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    4. Re:My favourite thing about this by houghi · · Score: 1

      No, dial in would not require Internet. You just need to have an app that acts like a modem over your phone. That connects to another modem that is connected to a PC.

      No Internet connection needed. Extra points if you do all these via Stinger towers. That will confuse the hell out of the NSA.

      Wrrrr.Twiiii. Wrrrr. Twiii. Twiii. Double points if you have a friend in Iraq who has the BBS.

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  28. Re:Matthew Broderick and Ally Sheedy by ogdenk · · Score: 1

    It was dull unless you were awake when it actually found something.... then you practically shit your pants.

  29. Makes me wonder... by wierd_w · · Score: 1

    A BBS style public messaging system, coupled with PGP/GPG public key sharing, could be an interesting thing.

    People just logging in see nothing but cypher text if they dont have the right keys. Meaning the conversation is private, even from the sysop. If they manage their keys properly, and have valid chains of trust, it would be a good holdout against the loss of privacy in the modern world.

    Throw in a fully encrypted transport (like SSH), and there you go. Only other remaining thing would be decentralization of the service, but that would require much more thought.

    1. Re:Makes me wonder... by Sneftel · · Score: 1

      The point of a BBS is community, and open communication. FFS, the name comes from a physical device for posting messages for everyone to see. Why would you think that *privacy* would make BBSes better?

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  30. IBM star trek by bigtreeman · · Score: 1

    I had star trek running on my test pc in the workshop.
    Field engineers came in just to play trek.
    It used to be an old game on IBM mainframes.

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  31. Dumpster by Narcocide · · Score: 1

    I like it! This is a great idea. The only real problem is that for kids these days to realize the usefulness of a given technology, you have to assign a flashy, buzzwordy brand name to it. Something easy to say and cute but slightly self-deprecating, that hearkens just tangentially to the features it provides, with a slight, almost subliminal flavor of the signs of the times... something like a cross between "Dropbox," "Trump," and "Napster." Any ideas? :-D

    1. Re:Dumpster by Megane · · Score: 1

      Do you really want the kiddies that need that spoon-feeding shit? Back in the day, they would never even have had any idea what a "modum" was. The very problem with fakebook and stinkaglam is the hipsters and normies using it, especially the ones who never access it except from their phone. There needs to be at least a minimum bar of entry, of which an SSID with no internet behind it (DHCP/DNS forcing you to the web-board interface, etc.) is a damn good start. The easier you make it, the lamer the people you attract.

      But what you describe is even more restrictive than the old BBSes, because you have to be physically in range of it, rather than having the city-sized barrier of local phone calls. (Note to Europeans: most of the US has had free local calling for decades.) It might work in the case of some kind of cafe, but then you're already going to attract hipsters, so why bother?

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  32. Ah the History... by beheaderaswp · · Score: 1

    I wrote the k56 Flex modem CCL for the Apple Internet Connection Kit..... Used to run a Hermes BBS, then Nova Link.... But before that Wildcat.

    It's deep in my DNA. But aside from an occasional wistful nostalgia... I've no desire to return to those days.

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  33. Not really new by RubberDogBone · · Score: 1

    There have LONG been internet ports into and out of BBS.

    The first board I ever dialed into ran TBBS and had integrated FTP and Lynx browsing and some other things. I got my first @ email there too.

    By the time 1995 came around, I was running my own Maximus board with nodes on Fidonet and a couple others. Had two phone lines, did co-sysop duties on two other Maximus boards, and generally had a lot of fun tinkering with Max, Binkleyterm, Squish, and my favorite mail editor of all time, tim-ed. Ah I miss that.

    And of course I had door games like LORD and the usual Bluewave mail door.

    By 2000, I was out of it but other guys had ported their boards onto the net. Anybody with a telnet client could just connect as if it was via dialup.

    So putting BBSs on the net was done a long time ago. All the major board software brands could do it. Still can for all I know.

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  34. Re:1200 baud? Get off my lawn by freeze128 · · Score: 1

    You and your fancy auto-dial modems... I'll be up all night to flip the switch on my 300 baud volksmodem!

  35. Re: Another place to fall victim to the power-hung by bn-7bc · · Score: 1

    Appetently reddit is a terrible place, hmm I most have found the nice part of it then. r/postgresql r/ipv6 and r/irc does not seem to be populated whit the people you descripe, orm maybe I just have not spotted them to any great extent, anyway imho they are not a significant problem, your milage may wary

  36. Re:Another place to fall victim to the power-hungr by geekprime · · Score: 1

    Then don't. Go to 4chan instead.

  37. Re: Another place to fall victim to the power-hung by geekprime · · Score: 1

    Yes, it is. But this is no different. powertripping neckbeard douchenozzles will blossom anywhere they get a chance, like dandelions.

    The funny part is that they BELIEVE that they are special, but in actually they are the shitty weeds that anyone with a milligram of socialization would rip out by the roots and leave on the sidewalk to die.

  38. Re: I'd like to know 1 thing from arseholetechnica by geekprime · · Score: 1

    LOL!

  39. Re: 1200 baud? Get off my lawn by geekprime · · Score: 1

    Ya, I had exactly that thought. I have a full backup of the day I took C.A.T.I.E. offline. I did a google and it may as well have never existed.

  40. Re: 1200 baud? Get off my lawn by geekprime · · Score: 1

    I had a sad, and what does the left and right pointy brave mean that a post just ignores it ? (shift , and .)

  41. Re: 1200 baud? Get off my lawn by geekprime · · Score: 1

    dammit "brace" not brave.

    Don't slashdot drunk my fellow kids. Not even the red underlines can save you!

  42. Pirates of Puget Sound? by gvanbelle · · Score: 1

    Anyone remember the Pirates of Puget Sound? dsPPS, gsPPS, etc. Somewhere there's an old Sider hard drive that still contains all that code ...

  43. Re:Concepts of BBSes are still missing from the we by JaredOfEuropa · · Score: 1

    Quite possibly creating an artificial limit to your network will help it thrive – be it restricted to family members, friends from school, specific workplaces you get the idea. The key is to harness the power of the quality of your community and not the quantity.

    Probably. Though one thing that set BBSes apart is that they often amounted to singular communities of people, like you describe. Not multiple (though overlapping) networks belonging to individual people each with their own circle of friends, like modern social networks. Nor communities of interest, like many FB groups, web boards, or Usenet groups.

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    If construction was anything like programming, an incorrectly fitted lock would bring down the entire building...
  44. Re: 1200 baud? Get off my lawn by swb · · Score: 2

    After some Googling, the AppleCat was doing Bell 202 signalling to make 1200 baud and it could do it with anything else capable of it, but it was a one-directional standard and required some kind of timing to make tx/rx work, so basically you needed to be running software aware of this on both ends to make it work.

    I don't remember Bell 202 supported by any other product, they usually were Bell 212 if they supported 1200 baud.

    The other thing that made the AppleCat kind of attractive at the time was that it was kind of binary programmable, and I think could be made to make its own touchtones and listen to the line. I remember a fast dialer that I used on busy BBS numbers -- you could dial and redial about as fast as the central office could complete the circuit. I think it was also effective as a war dialing system, able to map out vast phone number spaces pretty quickly.

    IIRC, all of these were big advantages over Hayes modems that used AT command sets and had limits on how fast you could dial or detect a non-modem far end.

  45. Re: 1200 baud? Get off my lawn by _merlin · · Score: 1

    It's interesting that Bell 202 is a pure one-way standard. Outside North America we got CCIT V.23 which was 1200 Baud in one direction and 75 Baud in the other direction, so you usually had to decide in advance which direction you wanted to be fast, depending on which way you were copying files. Generally it would default to fast download (and slow upload) from the point of view of the party initiating the call.

  46. And then there were the packet radio networks. . . by bplipschitz · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Which were the ham radio equivalent of a BBS. Rather than dial in, you used a radio and a modem to link up via radio. It was pretty cool, sending messages back and forth across the country to people. It usually took a day or two, depending upon how many hops it took -- a lot like FidoNet.

  47. Re:Concepts of BBSes are still missing from the we by Megane · · Score: 1

    And it suddenly came to me – It’s the community, stupid!

    This is something I have realized for quite some time now. I would really like to run a local-focused web forum. The effort of actively pruning people outside the area trying to gain a foothold is probably less than the technical effort to run an actual dial-up BBS these days, so I won't even begin to consider running a "real BBS". And not being limited to a single physical channel by dial-up will be so much better anyhow.

    One of these days. Right now I'm in the middle of a lot of IRL crap that's keeping me from doing much of anything productive, but it should be over soon enough.

    --
    #naabhaprzrag, #sverubfr-000, #agi-fcbafberq, negvpyr[pynff*=' negvpyr-ary-'] { qvfcynl: abar !vzcbegnag; }
  48. there is a bit to learn there by david_bonn · · Score: 2

    From the perspective of someone who wrote BBSes during the 1980's (Stonehenge, &c) what I find interesting is that the social problems associated with message systems are still largely the same (twits, trolls, spammers, and those who shout lies louder than those who speak truth). Every now and then I read about someone in the modern era who has a "new idea" (e.g. "selective invisibility" for obnoxious trolls) which was invented thirty years ago (and probably before that) by multiple folks working independently.

    I remember the biggest struggle was making sure that networked messages didn't just circulate forever. Given the limited memory and mass storage and slow processing speeds I ended up with a primitive-but-effective combination of hop counts, expiration dates, and a use window. None of that is of much practical use today but the struggle to make it more or less work was an important experience for a then-larval coder. Actually, a lot of the interesting problems of that time were making relatively cheap and primitive hardware do something useful in a reasonable amount of time.

  49. Re:Another place to fall victim to the power-hungr by Sperbels · · Score: 2

    Don't post as AC and it'll be that much harder to get modded -1.

  50. Re:1200 baud? Get off my lawn by amxcoder · · Score: 1

    I remember dropping like $200 of my hard earned money (when I was like 13-14 yrs old) on a brand new external 14.4K modem to get on some of my favorite BBS's. That was about the same time, that RAM cost about $100/MB or so. Things were crazy expensive then.

  51. 300 baud smartmodem by gatzke · · Score: 1

    We had a 1200 baud and a 300 baud smartmodem. The aluminum case was snazzy.

  52. Re:1200 baud? Get off my lawn by swb · · Score: 1

    I think the general modem pool for the timeshare system used in CompSci 3104 might have been 1200 baud capable in 1986 at the University I attended. I know for a fact in high school it wasn't -- there were a handful of 1200 baud lines restricted to admin logins, and an admin I knew used to gripe a lot about wasted money on a Hayes 1200 modem that seldom could get the 1200 baud lines.

    FWIW, I think the AppleCat had a Bell 212 "normal" 1200 baud option, but it was nearly twice the price of the non-212 version. And the usual problem was almost nothing was 1200 baud capable, especially BBSes.

    The prices sure seemed to come down fast, though. Within about 5 years, it seemed like 14.4k was pretty cheap.

  53. I ran by golgotha007 · · Score: 1

    two different BBS software on a C-64: HAL9000 and CNET v10 in SoCal from 1983-1986. It started at 300 baud and ended at 1200. It was called The Pirates Galley and later, The Probability Broach. CNET v10 software had lots of basic parts to it, so was highly customizable. For example, the email section was fashioned after the wild west and visiting the old post office. File transfer section was science fiction themed. We only had a few thousand user accounts, but for a single line BBS, that's pretty good. I can still remember the phone number, 805-647-8093. No, don't try it, it's been offline for over 30 years.

    I still have the basic portion of the CNET printed out on some dot-matrix printer around here somewhere..good times.

  54. Auuugh, the world is moving too fast by ssufficool · · Score: 1

    ... bring back vinyl and by BBS!!!

  55. Easily hacked by ayesnymous · · Score: 1

    BBS software from the 80s/90s never had security in mind.

  56. Re:1200 baud? Get off my lawn by Rick+Schumann · · Score: 1

    When I was in Highschool, I got a broken VDT from them with a built-in 300bps accoustic-coupler modem. Had to connect an external monitor to the thing; basically a VDT with no monitor and an accoustic coupler for a standard Bell-style office phone handset. Had shift-register video memory, which occasionally would drop random bits, corrupting characters on the screen. No lowercase characters, was basically a 'glass TTY'. RTL logic chips in it. Actually managed to repair it.

  57. Nice! by XSportSeeker · · Score: 1

    Going there to download some sick axelfoley.mod

  58. No need to resurrect - some are still running. by CrazyBusError · · Score: 1

    www.mono.org (home page for a telnet / ssh bbs) has been running since the late 80s and is still going, several evolutions of hardware later (original hosts were whitechapel workstations, then sparc stations, these days BSD on a virtual host).

    Account signup is free and a significant amount of the original content is still available...

    --
    -Never argue with an idiot. They drag you down to their level, then beat you with experience-
  59. Re:And then there were the packet radio networks. by houghi · · Score: 1

    Oblig. rfc2549

    --
    Don't fight for your country, if your country does not fight for you.
  60. Gotta get my turns in! by DarthVain · · Score: 1

    Ah Tradwars, good times! I also had a handy 2400 baud modem, I recall racing home from school to get my turns in for the day. It basically prompted the 2nd phone line after Mom would pick up the phone and no carrier me, causing much yelling... Kinda surprised a MM internet version re-boot was never developed, seems like one of the more fantastically popular games in hindsight.

  61. Blast should be in the past by ebvwfbw · · Score: 1

    Really? This is like breaking out the tricycle and baby blocks. Technology that really was from the 1970s, improved a bit in the 1980s and was way out of date in the 1990s.

    Not a bad punishment if you do something bad, like rob a bank or something. Your sentence is you have to run this BBS for a year. (defendant) NOOOOOO, anything but that!

  62. Android+Dosbox..... by goodgame · · Score: 1

    I have a couple old android phones around running stuff like ipcam and whatnot-- so they are a bit underutilized. I think I'll take a shot at putting dosbox on one and giving it a shot. Whould be a good way to utilize an old phone.

  63. Worlds largest telnet BBS? by hotdogee · · Score: 1

    The PTT Bulletin Board System ( telnet://ptt.cc ) in Taiwan has more than 1.5 million registered users, with over 150,000 users online during peak hours. The BBS has over 20,000 boards covering a multitude of topics, and more than 20000 articles and 500000 comments are posted every day. It even has its own chrome extension telnet client. https://chrome.google.com/webs...

  64. BTW: I Host Three Versions of Trek by tmjva · · Score: 1

    Yes on my old Empire machine at empire.openmpe.com

    Enter:

    HELLO PLAYER.TREK
    or
    HELLO PLAYER.SUPRTRK
    or
    HELLO PLAYER.SUPRTREK

    (Haven't tested them in while. Let me know if they crash.)

    --
    Tracy Johnson
    Old fashioned text games hosted below:
    http://empire.openmpe.com/
    BT
  65. David's Amazing BBS from the 1990s by daviddennis · · Score: 1

    My first BBSs were single line and used my own software written in Basic and then Turbo Pascal. I loved to be original and people enjoyed my software, even when it wasn't as reliable as it should have been. Back in the day, if your software crashed, your BBS would be down until you got home ...

    I eventually bought someone's failed BBS project through The Recycler, yesteryear's equivalent of Craigslist. It had a six-line serial adapter and Microport Unix. I never liked Microport but it did work, after a fashion, and my six lines were quickly humming. Unfortunately, as we say in the Internet world, the revenue model was never what it should have been, although I remember being thrilled when my first subscriber check – $60 for an entire year! – came in, from one of my favorite users. I wanted to be a general purpose home for eccentrics, with both dating and discussion parts equally balanced. I have never had a more successful social life before or since. We would have roughly monthly meetings at various local venues, and a pretty substantial number of people would turn out. It was relatively easy making a geographically based community, because most people lived nearby thanks to free local calls and pricey "local long distance" ones.

    There were a couple of bad apples, who trolled like crazy, but it was definitely a fun environment, and my six lines were always busy. I had the first three lines for the paying users, two for non-payers and one for administration. I set up a "holding tank" for new users and those who had been troublesome, which was a forerunner of today's ultra-complex moderation systems. It didn't work all that great since I have never been a big censorship supporter.

    I still remember the one user who loved Werner Erhard's The Forum and kept posting about it, even though people were totally sick of the topic from minute one. I eventually set up the typo corrector (which changed "teh" to "the" and other similar conveniences) to change Forum to Murof. Made him mad as a hatter, but all in good fun.

    Even though the system vanished due to a failing disk drive in the 1990s I still have fond memories of it. And I still have friends who are former users. Wish I'd kept a copy of the software. It did some pretty cool things. For instance, the dating questionnaire let you answer questions in your own words if one of the prepared answers didn't work for you.

    What I really find sad about today's environment is that we are no longer open to much unique, different or eccentric. I tried creating a social network of my own, but I wasn't able to get anyone excited about it. It was unique, and different, and just not what people wanted. The world wanted the uniformity and impersonality of Facebook, not the informality and homey atmosphere I wanted to provide. The big city, not the small town.

    Nowadays I'm a photographer instead of a programmer, with almost 2000 friends on Facebook. So you can teach an old dog new tricks. And honestly, I'm glad my photographs never crash.