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Drupal Developers Threaten To Quit Drupal Unless Larry Garfield Is Reinstated (drupalconfessions.org)

An anonymous reader writes: Slashdot previously covered the story of Larry Garfield, a Drupal developer who was allegedly banned from the community for his BDSM/Gorean lifestyle, after he was outed by a colleague with a grudge. Now, dozens of core Drupal developers, committers, and funders have banded together in an open letter to Dries Buytaert, the CTO of Acquia, Drupal trademark owner, and Benevolent Dictator for Life (BDFL) of the Drupal project. Among other things, they demand that Larry Garfield be reinstated, threatening to abandon the project if their demands are not met. Here's an excerpt from the letter: "If you will not fight for us and restore our faith in the professionalism of the Drupal community, then a number of us will be permanently leaving the Drupal community, ceasing all contributions to the official, Drupal-branded branch of the codebase, and ceasing participation in all Drupal communities. This is not our first choice, but we cannot and will not participate in a community that encourages abusers to totally destroy people's careers for personal or ideological reasons."

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  1. This is all very silly. by SuricouRaven · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It would be a boring world if people could not enjoy some socially-unaccepted hobbies in private without fearing for their employment.

    1. Re:This is all very silly. by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 5, Funny

      It would be a boring world if people could not enjoy some socially-unaccepted hobbies in private without fearing for their employment.

      I suppose it depends on which society you live in. I live in the SF Bay Area, and nobody cares if you are BDSM, your gender, or whatever. We are totally tolerant ... as long as you don't smoke. We don't even want those disgusting fume emitting tobacco burners within 100 meters of our building. Gross. They should stay in Oakland.

    2. Re:This is all very silly. by khallow · · Score: 5, Insightful

      but a core part of the Gorean lifestyle is believing that females are genetically inferior

      The obvious rebuttal is that no, the "Gorean lifestyle" has no such beliefs. It is a game - make believe.


      Harmful behavior is what we should be focusing on and which is remarkably absent from this discussion. There is no indication that Garfield has behaved in a way that is misogynist or encourages other discriminatory behavior. There is similarly no indication that Garfield has harmed anyone through his behavior.

  2. What about if he donated to the wrong ideology? by FooAtWFU · · Score: 5, Insightful
    Would it be okay to totally destroy someone's career for ideological reasons if that someone (quietly, clandestinely, without fanfare or any indication) donated $1,000 to a California campaign in favor of Prop 8?

    Would it be okay to launch an Internet-wide Two Minutes' Hate against them to put pressure on their employer? (Assume, perhaps, that they're in some leadership position â" like, say, CTO.)

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    1. Re:What about if he donated to the wrong ideology? by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Yes.
      Practicing BDSM is a personal choice made by consenting adults. If other people do it, it is none of your business.
      Donating to prop 8 was an attempt to deny legal rights to other people. The makes it the business of other people.
      The two are not comparable.

      If you leave me alone, I will leave you alone.
      If you target me, I will target you.

    2. Re:What about if he donated to the wrong ideology? by mwvdlee · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Sure.
      But don't go asking for anybody's help if somebody steals your private property.
      And don't be a whiny bitch and try to take it back either; it's their private property now.

      p.s. do you understand taxes pay for the concept of "legal right" to exist at all? Without taxes, there would be nobody to defend your legal right.

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    3. Re:What about if he donated to the wrong ideology? by FooAtWFU · · Score: 5, Interesting

      SPLC-designated hate group? This is the same SPLC that calls Ayaan Hirsi Ali an hateful extremist, mocking her experience with female genital mutilation, for speaking out about such matters in the context of the Islamic world, right?

      I'm afraid the once-proud SPLC has squandered all moral authority.

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    4. Re:What about if he donated to the wrong ideology? by 1_brown_mouse · · Score: 5, Informative

      Here you go. https://www.splcenter.org/2016... From the horse's mouth.

  3. Re:I think they don't understand by Demena · · Score: 5, Insightful

    False. Larry does not follow any such creed. He plays at it. Play, fantasy.

    He does say that it is his contention that some women enjoy this some of the time. He would appear to be correct as he has a number of active feminist ex-lovers supporting him. Reports of his general behaviour with and to women have been described by women and men (how would they know!) as exemplary.

    There are also Gorean groups where gender is reversed. So what?

    There is a difference between fantasy and real life. Accept that.

    If he treated people as you claim you would have a point but he does not do so and you do not have a point.

  4. So fucking what? by jcr · · Score: 5, Insightful

    As I said on the previous post about this situation, who cares? His code still works, and there are no allegations that he's trying to fuck the other contributors or for that matter, practicing his kinks with anyone who's not consenting to how he gets his rocks off.

    However repugnant "goreanism" might be, I'm rather more repulsed by someone like you demanding that hackers pass some kind of political purity test. Go fuck yourself.

    -jcr

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  5. Re:The problem here is the prick who fired him by dbIII · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Thing is, literal Naziism is a political position too

    If you had that position should that prevent you from being employed?

    he was donating money to a cause to actively harm them

    Politics is like that. My local representative (who I did not vote for, but for other reasons) is a member of a mainstream political party that opposed decriminalising homosexuality twenty years ago (almost to the day in that state, a bit longer ago in my state I think). Some prominent people in that party still want to turn back the clock (eg. Senator Eric Abetz). Locking people up for being gay is a bit worse that proposition 8 isn't it? Some people express truly revolting and reactionary opinions and still call themselves conservative, but it's not a crime. If someone wants to support that bunch they shouldn't be sacked for it IMHO no matter what politics the boss has.

    All that is required for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing

    Good men oppose actions not thought.

    I'd argue that it's more important for people to be able to choose where they spend their labour

    You are arguing something completely unrelated. This is about someone choosing who works for them. If they are making that choice based on what the person does outside the workplace it's unfair and intrusive IMHO.

  6. Re:Not so silly. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Someone who's a BDSM "slave" isn't usually a real slave, they're just pretending because they and their partner enjoy it. It's like how someone who dresses up in a nurse uniform to have sex isn't usually a real nurse, they're just pretending because they and their partner enjoy it.

    A BDSM "slave" has agreed in advance what they'll do and what their limits are, and has a safeword that would stop everything as soon as they say it. People into BDSM are generally much MORE concerned about consent than the average person - because we push the envelope so much, we have to know that the emergency stop will work. And there's usually a lot of love and caring in the relationship, just like in a "vanilla" (non-BDSM) relationship, although the feelings might be expressed differently.

    And are you saying that "vulnerable highly-autistic women" are not allowed to have any kinks? I have no knowledge of the people involved, but it seems plausible to me that she got a man to love and care for her, look after her, help structure her life, and have a fulfilling sexual relationship with, and he got a woman to love and care for him as best she could (those things can be difficult for an autistic person), and an obedient partner in life and in bed - that seems like a relationship which is positive for both the people involved.

    As for the "passed her on to a friend of his", well, relationships sometimes end. Sad but true, both for BDSM and "vanilla" (non-BDSM) relationships. If he still cared for her, then helping her find someone else seems like a generous thing to do that would be good for her. Especially if, due to her issues, she would have had problems being on her own and/or finding someone else. And if they're looking for someone for her, then their circle of friends would be the first place to look, because they know and trust those people.

    So, from what's publicly known, I don't see anything he's done that's wrong. Unconventional, sure. Against certain people's morals, certainly. But then again, if the standard is "against certain people's morals", then we should be kicking out all women from the project for not wearing a burqa.

  7. Re: Not so silly. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Yes. Ask the autist slave how they feel. Lol.

    It is ridiculous, right? She clearly has no ability to determine what is best for her, and needs someone to take care of her and tell her what is acceptable.

    oh, wait