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Louisiana's Governor Declares State Of Emergency Over Disappearing Coastline (npr.org)
Louisiana Gov. John Bel Edwards has declared a state of emergency over the state's rapidly eroding coastline. From a report on NPR: It's an effort to bring nationwide attention to the issue and speed up the federal permitting process for coastal restoration projects. "Decades of saltwater intrusion, subsidence and rising sea levels have made the Louisiana coast the nation's most rapidly deteriorating shoreline," WWNO's Travis Lux tells our Newscast unit. "It loses the equivalent of one football field of land every hour." More than half of the state's population lives on the coast, the declaration states. It adds that the pace of erosion is getting faster: "more than 1,800 square miles of land between 1932 and 2010, including 300 square miles of marshland between 2004 and 2008 alone."
Large parts of the state are below sea level. It's time to start considering how much money should be thrown into Louisiana at this point just to buy a little extra time, and if instead we should be considering moving people out of the state altogether.
Oil from all over the place is processed here.
The people that work these jobs, live on the coast and the sealife that supports these folks and provides a good amount of seafood to the US will disappear if this coastal erosion is allowed to continue.
This isn't just for the people of Louisiana, but for the great resources it provides the rest of the US.
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That's the real question.
Sounds like a great time for more than half of the state's population to relocate.
And the Republicans insist climate change isn't real . . . well maybe when half the red leaning states are under water they'll open their eyes. Probably be way too late by that point though.
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But how many libraries of congress of land every hour is that?
I can't believe all you idiots believe this is actually happening. What a bunch of libtard climate-change believing fuck-muffins you are! Lucky for me I'm a diehard Republican through and through, so I'm busily buying up all this supposedly disappearing land. I stand to make billions!
but will Mexico pay for it?
Decades of saltwater intrusion, subsidence and rising sea levels
No, that's not why the delta's disappearing. Here are the reasons why:
1) Levees and flood protections prevent silt from the Mississippi from depositing into the delta to maintain it, and
2) Oil drilling required dredging up the delta to permit pipelines and shipping lanes, destroying wetlands that help capture and build-up the silt.
From this administration?? Hey, the entire coastline of the whole country is moving inland. Pack yer bags!
seem to indicate that Louisiana is losing 3300 acres a year to the Gulf. about 5 square miles.
Plaquemines Parish is about 780 square miles, so if all loss were in Plaquemines, it would be losing about 0.6% per year land mass. Of course the loss is spread amongst 9 or more parishes, probably 10x the area total, the loss then becoming more like 0.06% per year.
This, my friends, is a Democrat emergency.
Mind you, this is an emergency to any family who used to live on land claimed by the Gulf, but not many do, as they are wise to the ways of water, and build differently there than elsewhere. I've played nine-ball in the Bayou. It's different there, mostly in good ways. But the Governor is certainly working this for all it is worth.
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Time to ask for our money back :)
The ONLY way to prevent further shoreline erosion, subsidence, and salt water incursion is to dynamite the levies and permit the return of yearly flooding in the MIssissippi River Delta. The Port of New Orleans is doomed and should be relocated to a site above the continental shelf.
... it's just moving north.
Definitely Trump's fault.
The problem with your explanation is that it's fact-based, and stands on good science. This is the post-truth era. Thus, the counter to your argument will be:
Bruce Perens.
At the current rate of carbon emissions pumping energy into storms and glacial melt in Greenland, along with sad attempts to stop flood plains from renewing decaying soil mass by siltration deposit of alluvial soils, four fifths of Lousiana will be under water for part of the year.
Look, flood plains are supposed to flood. Stopping the river deposits is why it's getting worse. Destroying the biomass buildup from salt infiltration from Gulf storms.
Florida is way worse off, quite frankly. And it's all the fault of people sticking their heads in the sands (which will also disappear).
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So, the truth?
I mean, REALLY tried it? I guess they just aren't Jesusy enough to be saved.
LOL Is Lousiana filing theft charges for the missing coastline?
I don't understand, the coastline is NOT disappearing, it is moving. And land is not disappearing, it may just now be underwater.
Isn't erosion a natural process? Are natural processes now evil?
CNN has a similar article about disappearing Louisiana coastline. One of the people interviewed has been shrimping for 54 years. His best comment, "It doesn't concern me.What is science? Science is an educated guess," Dotson says defiantly. "What if they guess wrong? There's just as much chance as them to be wrong as there is for them to be right."
Mind you, Louisiana is the top most uneducated state in the nation and this particular area of Louisiana, Cameron county, has the highest percentage of people who do not believe climate change has an effect on plants or animals. Not man-made climate change, but any climate change.
Another person in the article says he likes his AC and gas at reasonable prices so therefore, why, based on a prediction alone, should humans try to limit CO2 production?
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"It loses the equivalent of one football field of land every hour."
Holy shit, that's a lot! That's 57,600 square feet!
Oh wait, that's probably spread out along Louisiana's 397 mile long coastline (IDK the difference between method 1 and method 2, so I decided to give them the best possible odds and chose the smaller number), which then becomes 2,096,160 feet, which to get to 57,600 square feet along a 2,096,160 foot long length of shore, equates to nothing more than 0.027 feet.
I'm all for doing something about climate change, but scaremongering like this only harms your cause. Assuming that the football field amount is accurate, you could have just as easily expressed it as over 200 feet per year (0.027 feet per hour * 24 hours per day * 365.25 days per year = 236.682 feet per year). Which, sure, doesn't sound as impressive as "one football field", but is a lot harder for someone to dismiss as insignificant.
Trump doesn't believe in science, global warming, climate change or sea the level could rise so this can't be happening its all just fake news..
Alternative facts show science is wrong
From a 2005 post https://pesn.com/archive/2005/...
Summary... the City of New Orleans is sinking, and sliding off the continental shelf. It's doomed even if sea levels did *NOT* rise.
> The river is moving away from the city. The city is sinking because of its
> weight, because no upbuilding by new muck for many decades, because of
> being cut off from the fresh water, because it is sliding off a cliff (the Continental Shelf),
> and because the Oil and Gas Industry is extracting oil out from under it.
> It is a city that for all intents and purposes is now Sea domain.
And, oh yeah, the very fact that ships can navigate from the Gulf of Mexico, up the Mississippi River is an anthropogenic artifact.
> To understand the City of New Orleans one must first understand the
> massive Mississippi River delta. New Orleans was built at the site of the old
> "French Quarter" on the high ground adjacent to the Mississippi river.
> This location was picked because the Mississippi River didn't have a mouth
> into the ocean. The river simply went into the "Black Swamp" and disappeared.
> This was where ships headed down river had to stop and unload their
> goods to be transshipped across Lake Pontchartrain to the sea. This was
> done by unloading the goods at the docks and then hauling them to the
> lake where shallow draft boats would take the goods to the seagoing ships.
>
> By using some ingenious methods, Henry Shreve -- after whom
> Shreveport, La., is named -- forced the river to dig its own channel out to
> the sea where it now goes. This allowed the ocean-going boats access to
> the enormous Mississippi river. This, together with the work of the US Army
> Corps of Engineers, produced what is functionally the largest ocean port on earth.
I'm not repeating myself
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Out in California, during the drought, a lot of water was pumped from underground. This ended up in lowering the ground level. Maybe the oil and gas industry are doing the same in LA?
You can kiss the rest of it goodbye.
Thank goodness. The show was starting to grate.
I will have ocean front property in North Louisiana! If you buy that I will throw the Golden Gate in free!
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The fact is that many people have dearly held religious beliefs. These beliefs are held with a bond that is far more than any combination of logic or emotion; such conviction in any human is not to be trifled with.
You can't attack people on such a personal, intimate, foundational level and expect people to follow you, or your ideas.
Unfortunately, for decades, many claiming to represent science have been loudly proclaiming (without evidence, as it's unprovable either way) that "science" says that religion, and by extension the listener's very being, is false. It's a normal human reaction that, provided a choice between dismissing dearly held, foundational beliefs, and unprovable claims made by a "scientist", that the unprovable claims will be rejected wholesale - and religion is retained.
Consequently, whenever there is a real, insight with multiple independent lines of evidence all pointing to a very similar conclusion (ie. good science), it is immediately discarded with prejudice -- all because of the asshat making unprovable claims about religion, often in an entirely different subject.
There are a few assclowns that need to realize that human beings are not logical, rational creatures, never have been, and it's important to work within that constraint.
It's harmful to both science and the world to evangelize science against religion (and by extension, saying that somebody who has a religion cannot be scientific), the result is exactly what we see in Louisiana: "What is science? Science is an educated guess" -- ie. contempt for science.
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"Decades of..." "emergency"
You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.
Louisiana consistently elects small-government, anti-EPA, anti-climate Representatives and Senators. Now they want an environmental conservation bailout? They decry federal handouts, and then they turn around begging for help. How about "No".
They cite:
"Decades of saltwater intrusion, subsidence and rising sea levels"
Yet, they ousted their only politician who even pretended to care about the environment and replaced her with Cassidy, whose policies will only hasten that outcome.
New Orleans couldn't be arsed to maintain their levees, then Hurricane Katrina happened. Now this. Louisiana should change their motto to "The No Foresight State".
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Should I purchase land along the southern border of Arkansas in order to resell it at a profit when the waters of the Gulf of Mexico start lapping along the Arkansas shores?
And isn't much of Louisiana just silt from the Mississippi River anyway?
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I've long mused that despite the climate deniers howls, at some point we're going to hit an impasse. Due to historical reasons, we'll save New Orleans and other big name towns on the gulf coast in regions that sit at or below the water line.
However, if you're from some town nobody's ever heard of that's on the coast, you're pretty much fucked. If we believe the models and so far they've been spot on, every year some percentage of these towns are going to get flooded and/or walloped by hurricanes.
Each year the federal government and insurance agencies swoop in (for some value of swooping) and rebuild these towns. At some point insurance companies are going to cry uncle. They'll boost rates so high that literally nobody will be able to afford to rebuild. I could even see a situation where after a federal government has to step in and say "We're moving your entire community 50 miles in land and combining it with this other community" Why? Money and resources. At some point as wasteful as the government is, they're going to see the folly of rebuilding a town over and over and as the tide rises it's going to become less and less financially tenantable and take more and more resources.
Yes Francis, the world has gone crazy.
Can I ask why you left off the third reason that the article you link to very clearly explains: sea level rise?
"All of this results from three processes that reinforce and amplify each other’s effects: levee construction, oil and gas exploration and sea level rise."
I don't respond to AC's.
Let's see Trump and his cronies ignore climate change when there's no more New Orleans to go to for Mardi Gras. N.O. is a cultural center in the U.S. and you can't just ignore losing it.
Of course it'll get swept under the rug just as fast as it's swept under the waves. It doesn't suit anyones' agenda to pay attention to any of it. Get used to losing things, people, that's about how things are going to go for the next 100 years, until we're all living in Kansas, because that's where the coastline will end up being.
Unless the river floods over its banks the delta is not replenished and sinks as the sediments compact.If you want your land back get rid of the levees and build on stilts.
Where Louisiana is going to come up against the biggest hurdle isn't it's own particular issue, but the problem with regard to the entire Eastern Seaboard, the Gulf, and to perhaps a lesser extent, but just as fraught with pitfalls, the West Coast.
This scares the living daylights out of the White House and Congress, because anything they do in Louisiana will be under a huge microscope, will set perhaps irreversible precedents, and is going to have other states lining up for the same treatment.
Paralysis is clearly the best option, from the Fed's perspective. They see a seemingly endless range of issues, they fear any response will bite them in the future, and, frankly, they can't afford to do much in the first place.; It's like a 30-state Disaster Zone they don't want to know anything about.
I agree with a lot of what you said about people, but you have not followed your own argument to its logical conclusion: some people are beyond the reach of argument and reason. They will NEVER change their belief. Therefore, it is WRONG to tone down science promotion on behalf of people who can never be reached anyway, since this weakens promotion for those who CAN BE.
Let's not do a false equivalence either between science haters and religion haters. The former are far more active and numerous than the latter. The reason why is because science provides alternative explanations for things and does so with objective, reproducible proof, whereas religion can't. It's a direct threat to their community's faith. If
not them, then their kids...
Flood control along the Mississippi River contributes to this.... the sediment load formerly carried by the river isn't there to help replenish the delta. The shoreline erosion/loss processes continue unabated, but much less sediment comes down the river.
Blame people and infrastructure, not climate.
Elon Musk declares state of emergency over disappearing hairline.
You can't attack people on such a personal, intimate, foundational level and expect people to follow you, or your ideas.
Why would I want these ignorant rubes following me around!?
Because they will frustrate me by voting for Republicans who screw them over to give me a tax cut? I'll get over it.
Everyone knows coastal erosion isn’t real. It’s a plot by the Chinese to undermine our economy and the so called scientists are funding by the intellectual elite. Prove it with fact I will believe (be aware I only believe facts and polls that I agree with)
And only THEN will Trump allow you to build a wall.
If telephones are outlawed, then only outlaws will have telephones.
>[...]all because of the asshat making unprovable claims about religion[...]
You can flip the same argument to be critical of the religious, too: they can't prove their deity of choice exists.
While the IPCC and its boy scouts present wilder and wilder sea level predictions for the near future, the real observational facts demonstrate that sea level has remained virtually stable for the last 40-50 years.
http://nzclimatescience.net/im...
some people are beyond the reach of argument and reason. They will NEVER change their belief.
That's a contemptible attitude. Considering human being a lost cause because you're not interested in accommodating their humanity is abhorrent.
It's entirely possible to promote science while respecting other people's religions, even for subjects like evolution. I've seen it done superbly by professors who took the time to understand their students, and were able to show they actually cared about the student and their humanity.
The bottom line is we're all part of the human family, and denying the humanity of another - including their religious beliefs - is the essence of evil.
It's very practical to promote science to everyone. As with most things,getting half of the work done is easy. The other half is not as easy, but no less important.
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Democrats are Cunts.
That will never change.
See subject: He wasn't wrong about a LOT (the rich & powerful came to him to cure diseases galore after all) - is he right about the flooding he predicted?
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(There's more to life that what meets the eye...)
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P.S.=> Interesting & THOUGHT provoking stuff that Mr. Cayce - I suggest you all look into what I am alluding to here... apk
In response to your reply to me:
So I express an opinion other than yours, and I am *contemptible*
and *evil* ? Try following some of your own advice, my hypocritical friend. I only said that some people are not reachable by reasoned, scientific argument. I don't advocate doing anything to these people, just not to waste effort past a certain point trying to "convert" them.
then just fuckin move you idiotic poofters of poofters of poofs you poofs. and while we are on the subject, then, go and get fucked you poof gay faggots of poofs. now fuck off you cunty cunts.
Ah. The March For Lies is tomorrow! The LA Gov will have a lot of company to commiserate with. Maybe the march organizers will hand out free condoms and HIV shots!
And the Fed is moving toward a partial shutdown or another continuing resolution, continuing resolution is winning the bets, on 28 April.
LA has this really BIG thing, called the Mississippi River Delta and active for more than 65 million years! Congress may encourage people to breathe but LA citizens and everyone else has to begin by sucking.
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There is a significant difference between labeling a behavior versus labeling a person.
I have no problems with describing a behavior as contemptible; there's nothing hypocritical in that. How any reader decides to apply it to themselves is their own problem, not mine.
Moreover your initial response is that people were beyond help, which is quite different than and your most recent response — that consider it a waste of effort. The first implies impossibility, the other that you're not willing to spend the effort. They are very different attitudes.
I clearly diffe in opinionr: I believe in a democracy, its vitally important to help everyone understand that science is a process to understand the world, and that understanding the world helps us make better decisions.
Alienating people en masse is never wise in a democracy, and a little extra effort can make all the difference for all of humanity
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These Emergency Orders are completely out of hand. It seems like another one is issued every other month when there is no true emergency.
That's an awfully fine distinction to draw, and one that lets you claim to love people... just as long as they do what you say. Otherwise, they fall in the "evil" bin on this topic. Sorry, but that goes beyond uncivil and doesn't acknowledge MY right to dignity and a different opinion. This is also why I don't advocate pushing an agenda onto someone who is adamantly unreceptive to it. People are free to accept it or not, and it is not my duty to force them. In fact, this is impossible to do. You can lead a horse to water...
People should have moved inland already. We aren't more powerful than the sea. Here is a relevant web cartoon I made from 2006. http://jastiv.keenspace.com/d/...
Cameron county? Did you mean Cameron parish?
My take is:
1) Smart move by the gov to improve Fed response to obvious urgent needs.
2) Global warming is a natural cycle here on Earth.
3) Based on all the research I have seen, global climate change (including warming) IS, in apparent fact, ACCELERATED by mankind's careless spewing.
4) Mankind would be prudent to get fully active on remediation ASAP.
5) Coastal dwellers need to understand, and accept responsibility for, choosing to live in such challenging locations.
6) Politicians need to take an extensive aptitude test prior to even running for office so as to prove that they have a grasp of how to UNDERSTAND issues, especially those that are out of their regular scope of education.
7) MONEY needs to be removed from all legislative and political endeavors (laws, elections, etc...); so as to allow PERTINENT FACTS to rule our decisions.
8) Corporations need to have their power severely curbed. Their ability to control anything at any capacity of more than ONE individual threatens any and most all of (us).
Self-importance and self-indulgence is the root of ALL evil.
And I think a little whirlwind-reaping won't be far behind.
the sweet, sweet Federal grant money
the ability to extend and abuse power during an "emergency"
all you gotta do is get a politically correct reason to declare.
EVERYTHING is an "emergency" nowadays. Because non emergencies don't "raise awareness"
FUD is always the game to play. Power mongers win, people lose.