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AT&T To Roll Out 5G Network That's Not Actually 5G (yahoo.com)

AT&T announced plans to deliver what it's calling the "5G Evolution" network to more than 20 markets by the end of the year. While the company is "using some wordsmithing to deliver to you faster internet speeds," it's important to note that this is not actually a real 5G network. Yahoo reports: 5G still has years of development and testing before it will be rolled out across the U.S. So don't let AT&T's use of "5G" make you think that the next-generation wireless standard has arrived. In reality, the 5G AT&T is talking about is a bumped-up version of its 4G LTE to help it bridge the gap until the real 5G, with its ultra-fast speeds and better bandwidth, is rolled out. It's also important to note that AT&T won't offer its 5G Evolution technology to all of its customers initially. In fact, it's currently only available in Austin, TX, and the company plans to extend it to Atlanta, Boston, Chicago, Los Angeles, and other big markets in the coming months. If you're in a smaller metro market, you'll be out of luck. Perhaps the biggest limitation, and the reason few people will likely have the chance to actually use the 5G Evolution, is that AT&T is restricting it to select devices -- specifically, the Samsung Galaxy S8 and S8+. While that's great if you have one of those particular phones in one of the specific cities where AT&T's faster service exists, it's not so great if you're using another device.

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  1. Verizon did this as well by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    "xLTE" is what they called it and its still plain 4g/LTE

    1. Re:Verizon did this as well by msauve · · Score: 2

      First, "G" means generation, so what some industry marketing group says it means, it doesn't.

      In the US,
      1G=AMPS
      2G=CDMA/TDMA
      3G=CDMA2000/HSDPA
      4G=LTE(IMS)
      5G=what's next.

      XLTE seems to be a marketing term used to indicate an increase in available channels (spectrum), not a fundamental increase in speed due to a change of modulation. Any speed increase is due to less sharing of spectrum. It seems that's what ATT is doing here. OTOH, VZW seems to be increasing throughput with their LTE-A, which uses wider channels. So I believe that VZW has a more correct claim for 5G (although I haven't seen them make that claim), since their tech allows more potential bandwidth for individual devices.

      Someone feel free to jump in if that's incorrect.

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    2. Re:Verizon did this as well by sg_oneill · · Score: 2

      No, the 5G network will be what the The Next Generation Mobile Networks Alliance (The guys who actually define this, being the telco working body in charge). Its a work in process and all the stakeholders agree on that much.

      My iphone 7 gets 127mbps/s8.87mbps. Thats 4G

      5G research is including things like milimeter wavelength coms (20+ghz) and likely will crack the 1gbps barrier.

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    3. Re:Verizon did this as well by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      XLTE seems to be a marketing term used to indicate an increase in available channels (spectrum)

      That's still okay. An Australian provider advertised the same spectrum increase as 4G Plus. Not to be confused with 4G+ which is the colloquial name for LTE-A which wasn't offered by the provider at the time.

    4. Re:Verizon did this as well by Tintivilus · · Score: 1

      AT&T has been branding their HSPA network as "4G" for years. AT&T retail phones show "4G" for HSPA and "4G LTE" for LTE.

    5. Re:Verizon did this as well by CanadianMacFan · · Score: 1

      And we'll still have data limits 5GB (mines 300MB) which means we'll blow through them in seconds.

    6. Re:Verizon did this as well by TemporalBeing · · Score: 1

      AT&T has been branding their HSPA network as "4G" for years. AT&T retail phones show "4G" for HSPA and "4G LTE" for LTE.

      Correct. 4G was technically a 3.5G. LTE wasn't really what 4G was suppose to be either since 4G was suppose to be a pure data network; they never quite made it. 5G might be what 4G was suppose to be...but not likely...it's all re-branding for marketing purposes.

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    7. Re:Verizon did this as well by sg_oneill · · Score: 1

      "Oh, bullshit. You've fallen for marketing. No one voted them in charge of the dictionary"

      This is not how standards bodies work.

      NGMNA is simply a working group of mobile networks and handset makers who sit around and come up with a set of standards as to what will be called "5G". For 4G they settled on the LTE family of protocols of which LTEX is one of those standards. They are recognized by governments, standards super-bodies such as the IEEE, the mobile handset makers and the networks. Thats as close to "voted in" as your going to get.

      No you dont get a say in it, unless your making handsets or own a mobile network, anything else is solipsist nonsense. Words actually have meanings dude, and they are not "Whatever I stamp my feet and demand to be true".

      NGMNA's current prototype is based around the Snapdragon X50 modem which runs in the mm range (around 28ghz range) and supposedly can operate at a burst bandwidths of 35gbps.

      Which is actually ridiculous and I have doubts they'll give consumers that much to play with. But a "generation" in mobile networks is around ten years, and we're still a long way off anything the NGMA and its member companies will agree on as worth locking in for a decade as a standard

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  2. ALSO worth noting... by Narcocide · · Score: 2, Interesting

    ... their "4G LTE" was never actually 4G either. This will still just be a third generation network with extra lies.

    1. Re:ALSO worth noting... by infolation · · Score: 3, Funny

      So if 4.5G is really more like 3.5G, then 5G will be more like 3.75G?

      They really do need to decide whether the arbitrary unit of 'G' is an integer or floating-point value.

    2. Re:ALSO worth noting... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      well, given the upcoming destruction of network neutrality rules by the current u.s. administration, and the flurry of megamergers that will no-doubt be coming as well.. the new '5g' is probably more like "0.3125g" for consumers... you'll pay double for it, too, and like it.

    3. Re:ALSO worth noting... by sims+2 · · Score: 1

      What does it say on phones elsewhere?

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    4. Re: ALSO worth noting... by mprindle · · Score: 1

      At this rate it'll need to be a 64bit int.

    5. Re:ALSO worth noting... by TemporalBeing · · Score: 1

      What does it say on phones elsewhere?

      Marketing speak.

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    6. Re:ALSO worth noting... by sims+2 · · Score: 1

      No I ment like do phones still say 3G in Europe? Or do they lie about the actual standard like they do in the US?

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    7. Re:ALSO worth noting... by guruevi · · Score: 1

      In the EU you can get 100Mbps speeds on a phone. It correctly identifies 3G/LTE/4G according to your plan, the cheaper plans still being 3G ($5-15/mo) and the more expensive plans ($20-50) giving you more speeds. Data is usually unlimited (or at least has a very high limit) but text and voice are limited on a per minute/SMS. Most countries also require all phones to be unlocked and portable.

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    8. Re:ALSO worth noting... by guruevi · · Score: 1

      The specifications still exist though, regardless of the false advertising, only in the US and for the better part of the last decade has the FCC and other government organizations given latitude to providers to allow falsely advertised network generations (part of the so-called 'net neutrality' laws allowing T-Mobile and others to zero-rate their content).

      The 5G spec won't even be finished until 2020 so it's impossible for anyone, even AT&T to currently even create modems, antenna systems or implementations based on 5G. 5G technology probably won't be available in mainstream mobile devices until at least 2025.

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  3. They could channel "This is Spinal Tap" by toonces33 · · Score: 4, Funny

    and call it 11G.

    1. Re:They could channel "This is Spinal Tap" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I was watching a TV Pilot the other day for a Show that eventually got picked up. It started out commonly enough- People are enjoying a Concert, when a Mobile Phone starts going off. This causes some annoyance, until the Lead excuses himself to answer it.
      The Lead was Maxwell Smart, and he answered his Shoe-Phone. I could tell that this was the Pilot; it was the only episode where Maxwell Smart drove a 1961 Ferrari 250 GT PF Spider Cabriolet. (I have a 1960 model myself...)

      So ever since 1965, phones that exist pretty much to annoy everybody around them have been known as "Smart Phones".
      However, I'm not sure if Smart's Phone could dial to 11...
      "One ringy dingy... two ringy dingy. Have I reached the party to whom I am speaking?"

    2. Re:They could channel "This is Spinal Tap" by thomn8r · · Score: 1

      "Missed it by that much, 99!"

  4. Re:Wish they had this in Seattle... by bongey · · Score: 1

    Obama had 8 years, and he still has dial up. So it is Obama's fault , too many people were getting Obama phones.

  5. Like T-Mobile did with 4G by neutron+scott · · Score: 1

    Like when T-mobile called their H+ network 4G and then had to call their real 4G network "LTE"

    1. Re:Like T-Mobile did with 4G by omnichad · · Score: 1

      And....AT&T did this next...so this is really not new for them.

  6. Re:Wish they had this in Seattle... by sims+2 · · Score: 1

    Uhmm the obama phones have way better than dailup internet speeds.

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  7. Dishonesty from AT&T?! by Gravis+Zero · · Score: 3, Interesting

    What unsuspected twist will come next next? Is Verizon or Comcast going to do something dishonest?! ;)

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    1. Re:Dishonesty from AT&T?! by DickBreath · · Score: 1

      It is not dishonest if it is disclosed in the fine print on page 223 of the service agreement you signed.

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    2. Re:Dishonesty from AT&T?! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Actually, it's a violation of most State's Deceptive Trade Practices Acts when they play that one.

    3. Re:Dishonesty from AT&T?! by DickBreath · · Score: 1

      Yes, I agree. I was being sarcastic.

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  8. Re:In other news... by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1

    Water is still wet. AT&T is still lying about their service, their planned service, their actual service, etc, etc..

    Now that there's no longer a functional FCC, there is nobody to stop them.

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  9. Re:Opposite Land by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1

    Where does it end? War is peace?

    You're way behind the curve. Check out the news.

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  10. Galaxy S 8 by mentil · · Score: 1

    Let me guess, the Samsung Galaxy S 8/8+ are the only phones announced to work on this network because they're the only phones to have been announced so far that use the Snapdragon 835 chip, presumably the only chip that contains a modem that can interface with this network?

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  11. Do like the Golgafrichans by jimbo · · Score: 2

    Hmm, we should tell all marketing droids that the Earth is about to be consumed by a giant space goat. Put them on a space ship for evacuation and tell them the rest of us will follow soon.

  12. Re:So AT&T's 5G is to real 5G... by davester666 · · Score: 2

    More like an old guy without viagra to a porn star with viagra.

    There are supposed to be "rules" that have to followed to use 5G, after the 3G AND 4G debacles, but no, if you are a big corporation, why bother.

    Expect all the other big carriers to announce their brand new 5G networks next week.

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  13. Re:Wish they had this in Seattle... by Dutch+Gun · · Score: 1

    Here's a thought: Elect some actual civic leaders in Seattle instead of the loony crop of social activists and grandstanders currently in leadership positions.

    At this moment, Mayor Murray's next big thing is implementing a new soda tax. Oh, but he's now considering taxing diet sodas too, because someone told him that black and poor people drink more regular soda than white and affluent people, and we wouldn't want a racist, regressive tax. And Councilwoman Sawant is actively encouraging protesters to illegally shut down freeways and airports this May Day. Should make for a fun commute. But hey, love those rainbow crosswalks!

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  14. Re:Opposite Land by gtall · · Score: 1

    Ya, I had the fun of calling AT&T or Verizon, I forget which, to ask about their Pay As You Go plan for cell. It was a fixed amount + x per month. I explained to the salesbot that Pay As You Go means I pay for as much as I use. She insisted Pay As You Go means that. I Insisted the fixed amount meant that it didn't. She insisted it was.

    It was like arguing with Trump.

  15. Obligatory Dilbert by thegarbz · · Score: 1

    http://dilbert.com/strip/2011-...

    Guess what doesn't mean goodness.

  16. Re:Yahoo reports? by PingSpike · · Score: 1

    I also am shocked that Verizon's newly purchased mouth piece doesn't have great things to say about AT&T's latest marketing initiative.

  17. It's OK by jools33 · · Score: 1

    It's all OK because when the real 5G comes along they will market it as 6G - and people will flock in their millions to buy.

  18. How far CAN they fall? by bbsguru · · Score: 1
    Isn't it interesting that a few generations ago AT&T / Bell Telco was the source of revolutionary new inventions that changed the world?

    Now, their chief expertise seems to be in finding new and inventive ways to defraud and mislead their customers.

    Or is this just another case of the name of a (formerly) great American institution being used to cloak thieves in seeming legitimacy? (See Polaroid, Packard Bell, etc)

  19. Re:Why not call it 4.5G? Or 4 7/8G? by Carewolf · · Score: 1

    Well, most of the US market called 3.5G for 4G until the real 4G LTE tech was launched. So the precedence for the American market is there. You round up!

  20. Re: Yahoo = Verizon by DickBreath · · Score: 2

    Corruption of government is the problem. Not Capitalism. What we have now is capitalism run amok because the regulating force of government has been removed allowing capitalism to run amok without reasonable restraints.

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  21. Re: Yahoo = Verizon by kurkosdr · · Score: 1

    And the only solution is to have the government take over everything (what the OP essentially says). Those people are a joke.

  22. Re:Yahoo = Verizon by kurkosdr · · Score: 1

    Yeah, I am sure nobody is dying in North Korea, Venezuela and Cuba and all those other "not real communism" states. Meanwhile in Switzerland and Finland... oh yeah those libertarian countries have one of the highest standards of living, never mind.

  23. Re:Why not call it 4.5G? Or 4 7/8G? by OffaMyLawn · · Score: 1

    We seem to apply this same principle to business. You fail, just reverse the direction of the fall so that you somehow still succeed.

  24. 5G is SOOO 5 minutes ago., by JustNiz · · Score: 1

    Thats nothing. I'm rolling out 6G. Its really RS-232 but the marketing department LOVE me.

  25. How are data plans like olives? by hey! · · Score: 1

    It's the way they're sold.

    A smallish olive is graded for sale as "jumbo-sized".

    A medium sized olive is sold as "colossal".

    A large olive is sold as "super-mammoth".

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  26. To be honest... by thomn8r · · Score: 1

    The "4G" we have isn't really 4G, either. http://gizmodo.com/5680755/the...

  27. Re:In other news... by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1

    Nobody stopped AT&T before.

    Excuse me, but...

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

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  28. Re: Yahoo = Verizon by DickBreath · · Score: 1

    Polar extreme positions are bad. Having the government take over everything is just as bad as having no regulations on anything. Why don't we just let corporations poison our air, water and food? It's all for profit right!

    I used the words: reasonable restraints

    There is probably some reasonable middle ground that reasonable adults can find consensus on between no regulation and total regulation.

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