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Trump is Launching a New Tech Group To 'Transform and Modernize' the US Govt (recode.net)

President Donald Trump announced on Monday he has signed an executive order creating a new technology council to "transfer and modernize" the U.S. government's IT systems. From a report: The gathering is part of a new effort, called the American Technology Council, commissioned by Trump in an executive order signed this morning. The effort seeks to bring leading government officials together with Silicon Valley's top minds in order to "transform and modernize" the aging federal bureaucracy "and how it uses and delivers information." Trump isn't the first sitting U.S. president to look to Silicon Valley in an attempt to bring government into the digital age. His predecessor, former President Barack Obama, similarly launched efforts like the U.S. Digital Service, which the administration billed at the time as a "startup at the White House" that sought to pair tech experts with federal agencies that needed help. Over 20 technology chief executives will attend meetings at the White House in early June to talk about improving government information technology, the report adds.

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  1. Nerd Harder! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    This will be where they implement the backdoors that aren't....

  2. Jared? by DogDude · · Score: 2

    What happened to Jared (his son-in-law)? I thought he was supposed to be modernizing the government.

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    1. Re:Jared? by ColdWetDog · · Score: 1

      Got et by a swamp gator.

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    2. Re:Jared? by Joce640k · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Yep. The problem isn't that the government isn't "digital" enough, the problem is that it's run by people who wouldn't recognize the scientific method if it was served to them on a plate with a sprig of parsley on top.

      If he goes to Silicon Valley all he'll find is a bunch of people who want to sell him a lot of useless new computers+software under a lucrative government contract.

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    3. Re:Jared? by bobbied · · Score: 2

      THAT Jared, Jared Fogel (sp?) IS in jail..... The Jared being discussed is Trump's son-in-law, who is not (at least at this point) in jail.....

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    4. Re:Jared? by TrumpShaker · · Score: 1

      I thought so too, but I think he read the order as "transfer and monetize"

    5. Re:Jared? by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1

      What happened to Jared (his son-in-law)? I thought he was supposed to be modernizing the government.

      He was the spokesman for Subway, but he got into some trouble I heard.

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    6. Re:Jared? by PopeRatzo · · Score: 2

      THAT Jared, Jared Fogel (sp?) IS in jail..... The Jared being discussed is Trump's son-in-law, who is not (at least at this point) in jail..

      I'm pretty sure they're the same guy. You ever see them together?

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    7. Re:Jared? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      First you need to understand how government operates...

      And before y'all get the snide jokes rolling, recognize that our government is largely more effective than most on the planet AND that solutions intended for private sector fail horribly in this space (look up Mcnamara how his business-like management of the Vietnam War failed)

      http://www.nytimes.com/1995/04/09/world/mcnamara-recalls-and-regrets-vietnam.html

    8. Re:Jared? by Darinbob · · Score: 1

      And then the Trump Tweet claiming "Oracle sold me the best deal ever for routers!"

    9. Re:Jared? by Etcetera · · Score: 1

      Yep. The problem isn't that the government isn't "digital" enough, the problem is that it's run by people who wouldn't recognize the scientific method if it was served to them on a plate with a sprig of parsley on top.

      If he goes to Silicon Valley all he'll find is a bunch of people who want to sell him a lot of useless new computers+software under a lucrative government contract.

      If he goes to Silicon Valley all he'll find is a bunch of people who fetishize 'data' and algorithmic analysis over critical thinking, reasoning, reliability engineering, or domain knowledge skills. We tried this in 2008 and a bunch of the data experts failed then too, because this shit is actually hard and usually doesn't get solved by the creative destruction of a new image recognition app to replace bureaucrats.

    10. Re:Jared? by ProfBooty · · Score: 1

      nah we just have less visible corruption. Interactions with federal civil servants don't require you to provide a bribe to get them to do their job.

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    11. Re:Jared? by Z80a · · Score: 1

      At least it's not D-Link.

  3. Please don't move to public cloud. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    I worry about government use of modified public cloud services. We should ban government from using pure cloud solutions because the companies can hold the government hostage with the "big off switch". The gov needs to control the DataCenters that run the operations that citizens rely on.

    1. Re:Please don't move to public cloud. by ColdWetDog · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I worry about government use of modified public cloud services. We should ban government from using pure cloud solutions because the companies can hold the government hostage with the "big off switch". The gov needs to control the DataCenters that run the operations that citizens rely on.

      And so we should continue to host internally on IIS servers using Access and Visual Basic front ends?

      Next, you'll be advocating we keep COBOL.

      Or Lotus Notes.

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    2. Re: Please don't move to public cloud. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Get real. I mean modernize but keep control. For os and database systems we have enough good people in government to form a Linux distribution and an open source database platform and come up with a total open fips compliant workflow that can run anywhere there's a hyypvisor.

      Then throw a team at forking open stack as the base and adding all the things gov needs, then have darpa build a standardized hardware platform and then manufacture the damn things by the container full.

    3. Re:Please don't move to public cloud. by bleh-of-the-huns · · Score: 1

      This is less of a concern. The cloud infrastructure used by the gov is for the most part, a completely separate infrastructure from the regular cloud setup the rest of us use. They have already gone through the FISMA compliance process, and their are agreements in place to try to mitigate your concerns.

      As for being held hostage, well that happens in gov owned and operated datacenters too. Most government entities use contractors still to manage or build/maintain applications. I can say from personal experience that some are assholes. We had one, when we decided to not continue the contract and move to a different application, log into the application server, change the passwords to lock us out of the database to prevent us from migrating the data. They were stupid since the DB password was stored in the config files (this was in 2004 time frame) unencrypted. So I was easily able to access the data because we had physical access to the servers. Sometimes, even physical access does not help. Some contracts stipulate that you do not have admin or root accounts on the servers (even though they are in the federal datacenter). As the security engineer at the time, I had that provision removed from the contract if they wanted to move forward, we were not about to allow any equipment into our datacenter that the security team did not at least have access to, even if the server group did not.

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    4. Re: Please don't move to public cloud. by networkBoy · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Um...
      I believe the NSA is rather good at this. (I'm being serious)
      Maybe they can redeem themselves and put some of that internal cloud capability they have up for general government usage?
      They have the following skills/assets already in-house:
      * Security
      * Archiving
      * Indexing
      * Infrastructure
      * Scalability
      * Tons of other crap.

      I'll give bonus points for re-using the existing equipment and drop table-ing the meta data they have on US citizens.

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    5. Re:Please don't move to public cloud. by Q-Hack! · · Score: 2

      Well, much of our nuclear systems are still using PDP-11s

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    6. Re:Please don't move to public cloud. by zlives · · Score: 1

      are those the only 2 options? you argue bigly!!!

    7. Re: Please don't move to public cloud. by Major+Blud · · Score: 1

      They have the following skills/assets already in-house:
      * Security

      Are you kidding? They couldn't prevent one of their sysadmin contractors from walking out with all of their sensitive info:
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

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    8. Re:Please don't move to public cloud. by jsepeta · · Score: 1

      IIS? Hell I'd love to run it from the ISS!

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    9. Re:Please don't move to public cloud. by arglebargle_xiv · · Score: 1
      If you read Trump's order, what it says is:

      The new tech group will give it the most serious and urgent consideration, and insist on a thorough and rigorous examination of all the proposals, allied to a detailed feasibility study and budget analysis before producing a consultative document for consideration by all interested bodies and seeking comments and recommendations to be included in a brief for a series of working parties who will produce individual studies which will provide the background for a more wide-ranging document considering whether or not the proposal should be taken forward to the next stage.

      Just like every other time this has been proposed, except this time with Trump running things it'll be even more dysfunctional.

    10. Re: Please don't move to public cloud. by TexNex · · Score: 1

      Between NIST & NSA published standards (available on both web sites, more with gov/mil access) every MS product and many of the *NIX flavors have been secured (for the most part). The problem is the bureaucracy -- the documentation, paperwork, politics, more paperwork, studies, dick sucking, etc... required to get an agency (hell, a sub-department) to change anything is so mind numbing it is just not worth the effort for the most part. If you climb the ladder high enough to actually be able to change something, your efforts are usually stalled by infighting because you stepped into someone else's office empire and there will be blood.

  4. Let the filling of the Feeding Trough begin by gtall · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Said the CEO of Oracle: what ya need there is a collection of giant databases...and cloud, let there be cloud
    Said the CEO of Microsoft: what ya need there is a PC or MS compatible computing thing on every desk...and cloud, let there be cloud
    Said the CEO of Apple: what ya need there is a collection of iThings for instant communication...errr..with the cloud, let there be cloud
    Said the CEO of IBM: what ya need there is a Watson AI Cloudy Thingy in every agency...more cloud for every one
    etc.
    etc.
    etc.

    1. Re:Let the filling of the Feeding Trough begin by the_other_one · · Score: 2

      So it just could be that Trump has cloudy judgement.

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    2. Re:Let the filling of the Feeding Trough begin by fahrbot-bot · · Score: 1

      Said the CEO of Oracle: what ya need there is a collection of giant databases...
      Said the CEO of Microsoft: what ya need there is a PC or MS compatible computing thing on every desk...
      Said the CEO of Apple: what ya need there is a collection of iThings for instant communication...
      Said the CEO of IBM: what ya need there is a Watson AI Cloudy Thingy in every agency...
      etc...

      That's what happens when you get a bunch of blind men and an elephant.

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    3. Re:Let the filling of the Feeding Trough begin by bobbied · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Said the CEO of Oracle: what ya need there is a collection of giant databases...and cloud, let there be cloud Said the CEO of Microsoft: what ya need there is a PC or MS compatible computing thing on every desk...and cloud, let there be cloud Said the CEO of Apple: what ya need there is a collection of iThings for instant communication...errr..with the cloud, let there be cloud Said the CEO of IBM: what ya need there is a Watson AI Cloudy Thingy in every agency...more cloud for every one etc. etc. etc.

      Hey, to be fair here, that Obama Care website filled up a bunch of pigs too, much like the stimulus plan of 2008 that Sherriff Joe was supposed to keep track of every dollar.....

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    4. Re:Let the filling of the Feeding Trough begin by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      If he listens to any of those particular assholes, I hope it's IBM and not any of the other BMs on your list. At least they might deliver working solutions.

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    5. Re:Let the filling of the Feeding Trough begin by barrygrommit · · Score: 1

      Yes! At last, someone has solved the problem: we clearly need thingies everywhere, connected, talking to each other, exchanging data about everything, everywhere, every time. And selling all that information. With pictures.

      Of course, we will all be encouraged to remove those TVs, phones, lamps, heaters, and any other electronic device from our bedrooms and bathrooms, because, you know...those things talk to each other.

    6. Re:Let the filling of the Feeding Trough begin by StevenMaurer · · Score: 1

      ... much like the stimulus plan of 2008 that Sherriff Joe was supposed to keep track of every dollar.....

      The stimulus plan was mostly targeted tax breaks, except for direct bailouts that were given to auto companies and a few major banks (those who had been pressured by the Bush administration to buy toxic assets, thereby jeopardizing their own solvency). Of that latter, every single penny was paid back to the US taxpayer, with interest, and actually made a tidy profit.

      So if you're trying to compare "that Obama Care website" (there were actually dozens, and still are) to the 2008 stimulus plan, you're saying something completely different than you think you are.

      Honestly, you sound like you fully drank the Alex Jones/Rush Limbaugh kool-aid, given how non-specific and fact-free your attack is. Try again when you don't sound like an equally clueless anti-free-trade leftist.

    7. Re:Let the filling of the Feeding Trough begin by bobbied · · Score: 1

      Comon... Really you don't see how these things where the products of intense lobbying efforts and designed to line specific pockets? Are you blind or is there lots of sand between your eyes and daylight?

      In the spirit of bipartisanship, can we not agree that BOTH sides engage in this mutual back scratching behavior to varying degrees? I won't quibble about which side is worse at such behavior as long as you admit it's happening no matter who's in power...

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  5. Coincidence? Probably not. by OmniGeek · · Score: 5, Funny

    The story immediately preceding this one is titled "There's No Good Way To Kill a Bad Idea." I see a theme emerging here, and feel like running for cover. Very fast.

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    1. Re:Coincidence? Probably not. by the_skywise · · Score: 1

      Well it obviously worked so well when Obama did it that we need to do it again.

      Frankly this just sounds more like both political parties have figured out how to get silicon valley onboard to justify taking their lobbying dollars.

    2. Re:Coincidence? Probably not. by Cyberpunk+Reality · · Score: 2

      I assure you, if Trump left office right now, just like Obama did four months ago, he would get nothing but praise from the left.

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    3. Re:Coincidence? Probably not. by bobbied · · Score: 1

      Actually, I understand why the pervious poster was on a rant.... He did read the post... AND The fine article attached....

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    4. Re:Coincidence? Probably not. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Yeah, that whole healthcare thing was clearly just the left chanting "racist, sexist, misogyny."

      Ditto for pulling the US economy out of the real estate crash. And repealing "don't ask, don't tell." And banning enhanced interrogation. And opening diplomatic relations with Cuba after 50 years. And the Opening Doors program that reduced homelessness among veterans by almost 50%. And putting ITT out of business and ending decades of exploitation of students. And improving school food nutrition standards.

      Yes, the left spends a lot of time chanting about racism, sexism and misogyny. Perhaps if the right stopped being a bunch of racist, sexist, misogynists, the left would have time to tackle other issues. Until then, we aren't going to shut up and we will keep calling you out and exposing your behavior.

    5. Re:Coincidence? Probably not. by Archangel+Michael · · Score: 1

      Yeah, because I didn't vote for Trump or Clinton, I must be a Trump supporter. more wonderful binary logic ... yawn

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    6. Re:Coincidence? Probably not. by Gr8Apes · · Score: 5, Insightful

      TBH, this is another "Trump is evil" post

      Nah, nothing of the sort. I see no use of polarizing terms, even.

      This is why 1/2 of America doesn't take the whiny left seriously any more. The left has no ideas left, and all they have is "RACIST, SEXIST, MISOGYNY" chants and rioting.

      I think this is why more than 1/2 of america strongly dislikes Trump (and his blind supporters) Being divisive and using polarizing terms and assigning imaginary actions to those not marching to the cliff with you does not make for a conversation starter. You might want to check your meds.

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    7. Re:Coincidence? Probably not. by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      You didn't vote for Trump? Is he too left wing for you?

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    8. Re:Coincidence? Probably not. by Archangel+Michael · · Score: 1

      By "too far left" you mean "lots of government" ... then probably. Because the alternative is always more government as a solution to everything, right?

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    9. Re:Coincidence? Probably not. by Archangel+Michael · · Score: 1

      ooooh sad AC is so mean ... Waaaa.

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    10. Re:Coincidence? Probably not. by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      The biggest irony is that if I had said that, the right would have called me an anti-white racist misandrist.

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    11. Re:Coincidence? Probably not. by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      Why don't you go and live on a desert island like Robinson Crusoe? No government there, until Man Friday turned up.

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  6. We need to build a yuge fire by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Wall

    1. Re:We need to build a yuge fire by zlives · · Score: 1

      just like china... because governing is not easy!!

    2. Re:We need to build a yuge fire by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      Very long, thin garrisons.

      https://s-media-cache-ak0.pini...

      If you get a bad room it's a hell of a walk to the toilet.

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  7. A "royal" regime by evolutionary · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Trump's idea of a "modern government" is medieval: put all your family and friends into key positions as much as possible and hope you can run it like a monarchy. problem is the family has no real qualifications in national or international politics. So this will be fun, fun, fun.

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    1. Re:A "royal" regime by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Some of Trump's other ways to "modernize" government, based on recent statements and actions:

      1. Libel laws should be adjusted making it illegal to mock or contradict the US President.

      2. Laws on disclosure, conflicts of interest, or dealings with foreign powers should be repealed.

      3. Any news organization determined to be promulgating Fake News as determined by the Chief Executive or the Ministry of Truth should be shut down. In the spirit of item #1, this includes annoying venues such as the Onion or Saturday Night Live.

      4. Any scientifically-measured data that does not uphold the statements of the President or his duly appointed relatives/cronies should be tagged as Fake News and treated as outlined in item #3.

      5. Any laws of nature deemed inconvenient to the President or his duly appointed relatives/cronies should be summarily repealed.

    2. Re:A "royal" regime by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      So you're whining about two positions, his daughter and son-in-law, that could be questionable out of five million? It's really hard to take you people seriously.

      Congress passed an anti-nepotism law after JFK appointed his brother to attorney general to prevent future administrations from appointing family members to positions in the government. Just like most reform laws from the last 50 years, Trump is ignoring that one too.

      http://time.com/4574971/donald-trump-transition-jared-kushner-legal-anti-nepotism-law/

      It's really hard to take you people seriously.

      If Hillary was POTUS and she appointed Chelsea as a special adviser, the Republicans would be screaming for impeachment.

    3. Re:A "royal" regime by stabiesoft · · Score: 2

      He really would like to be a dictator I think. He admires Putin, embraced China, embraced Turkey's update to a dictatorship, just invited the guy from the philipines, just complained that those archaic rules in the senate(those rules that let opposing voices stop a dictator) were stopping progress, hates the press for their constantly going off topic... The guy is used to running a corp with one shareholder, he ran a small dictatorship, found it efficient (and dictatorships are efficient) and would like to bring it to government. I don't even think he realizes how a democracy is supposed to work. They are not efficient. I do worry that we could like Turkey fall into the trap. Never say never. Turkey was a democracy for around 100 years.

    4. Re:A "royal" regime by evolutionary · · Score: 1

      Good Point! I wasn't aware of that.

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    5. Re:A "royal" regime by DerekLyons · · Score: 1

      So you're whining about two positions, his daughter and son-in-law, that could be questionable out of five million? It's really hard to take you people seriously.

      You honestly fail to grasp that the nearer to the top a position is, the more impact it has?

      No wonder you can't take them seriously. Honestly, it's amazing you remember to breathe.

    6. Re:A "royal" regime by evolutionary · · Score: 1

      To be fair, Trump dictatorships were not that effective. His businesses were mostly lacklustre at best or bankrupt at worse. He may owe 300 mil (possibly to a russian bank by proxy). Trump university was hoot (total scam). And his buildings are not exactly great quality when they are built (a few problems with falling glass panels in Toronto, Canada as I recall. I'm not sure he "embraced "China either. Remember, he was telling President Xi Jinping that he wouldn't recognize the "One China" policy. A few days later he's publically declaring he recognizes it. quite the reversal. (wonder what words took place..) It seems true that Trump doesn't care of democracy or rule of law and you are correct that we could get into the situation Turkey is now. Cool bit of insight. It's amazing how much we COULD learn from our neighbours....but don't.

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    7. Re:A "royal" regime by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 1

      Golly he should be impeached by now right?

      It's not a question of if, it's when Trump will get impeached. Nixon resigned after he lost support of 75% of the Republicans in Congress.

    8. Re:A "royal" regime by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 1

      You're wrong.

      I got the 2016 election wrong. So what?

    9. Re:A "royal" regime by Darinbob · · Score: 1

      And 5 million who need leadership. Trump administration is behind in filling the key positions that always change when the power structure changes, and this is further behind than other modern administrations. Chris Christie was supposed to be leading this transition team before he got dumped, and after that it hasn't gathered much steam. The result is that a lot of people that the work should be delegated aren't there. The high level governing via daily press-report disguised as executive order isn't getting things done.

    10. Re:A "royal" regime by davros74 · · Score: 1

      And then follow up with a feel-good "Two Minutes of Hate".

  8. It's like . . . by DickBreath · · Score: 4, Funny

    It is as if millions of COBOL programmers suddenly cried out in terror, and were suddenly silenced.

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    1. Re:It's like . . . by oh_my_080980980 · · Score: 1

      You mean laughing out loud....it ain't never going to happen. Just look at the armed forces.

    2. Re:It's like . . . by DickBreath · · Score: 1

      In another topic on Slashdot this morning I wrote:

      As part of my retirement plan, I will seriously brush up on COBOL in the year 9995. In about the year 9997 everyone will start getting worried about the Y10K problem. People will think Y10K will be the end of civilization as we switch over to five digit years. There will be lots of COBOL work available.

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  9. The problem is ... by thadtheman · · Score: 1

    Silicon Valley , osftware version, is more about hype and less about production.

  10. Start with the EPA! by mspohr · · Score: 1, Offtopic

    We don't need no stinking EPA website. It just confuses people. Too much information.
    Let's simplify government!
    https://www.washingtonpost.com...

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  11. Monetize by MatiasKiviniemi · · Score: 1

    First read that "transform and monetize", maybe that's how the tax cuts get balanced and they'll get a healthcare reform agreement. Make America Freemium Again

  12. It should be easy by Rastl · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Just like fixing healthcare and the tax code revising the entire IT infrastructure for the federal government should be easy right?

    1. Re:It should be easy by Tablizer · · Score: 2

      The Orange Guy: "It looks so simple when they do it in the movies."

  13. Great! by wjcofkc · · Score: 1

    I'll just go dust off my Windows 2000 Server book and send them my resume.

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    1. Re:Great! by networkBoy · · Score: 1

      NT4.0sp6a might be more accurate :/

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    2. Re:Great! by wjcofkc · · Score: 1

      If I could moderate that comment I am not sure if it would be Funny or Insightful.

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  14. How will that help by SuperKendall · · Score: 4, Insightful

    If 1% of the people that voted for Hillary donate $50/month, then every democrat running for congress or the senate in 2018 will get about $1 million.

    Hillary outspent Trump about 10-1 and still lost.

    So plainly the notion that money is the absolute determinant in politics is false.

    Given the Democrats penchant for blowing money or horrifically inept candidates, why would you continue to be such an enabler? What makes you think Democrats will change for the better if you keep funding the corrupt organization of the past, the kind that hand-picked Hilary over Sanders?

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    1. Re:How will that help by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      So plainly the notion that money is the absolute determinant in politics is false.

      Oh no, the Republican gerrymandering is also a significant factor.

      North Carolina, Wisconsin, Pennsylvania, Michigan, Virginia, Texas, Alabama, Florida, and Georgia all demonstrate the effectiveness of that manipulation.

      Of course, they already lost in Arizona, so it won't be long before the people start taking back the power. Then what will they do?

    2. Re:How will that help by Major+Blud · · Score: 1

      the kind that hand-picked Hilary over Sanders?

      No one wants to seem to admit that they did this because she had a better shot at it than Bernie:
      https://www.theguardian.com/co...
      http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/ber...

      The Democrats have always been comfortable with their minority block....if they picked Bernie, they probably would have been crushed in November.

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    3. Re:How will that help by SuperKendall · · Score: 1

      Oh no, the Republican gerrymandering is also a significant factor.

      Yep, sure is, like I was saying money doesn't matter much.

      Of course, they already lost in Arizona, so it won't be long before the people start taking back the power.

      Trump *was* the people taking back the power. Sorry if you are too blind to see that. Voting for Trump was Voting Truth to Power - the ultimate political power embodied by Hillary Clinton. Voting for Sanders would have worked just as well, but the DNC chose to take away the will of the people and put forth Hillary. I wonder will the DNC put further a candidate of the people going forward or more corrupt agents of decay and greed? From the looks of the new chairman, decay and greed it is.

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  15. Re:Maybe, but more than most by evolutionary · · Score: 2

    Actually, I didn't believe in either candidate. (Clinton, more experienced, but not sure it's effective experience) But let's see...Ivaka's qualifications as an "advisor". I can't really find any. Jared? What are his qualifications besides being in the family. Trump himself isn't even a great business person by all accounts. To be clear, I didn't favor either candidate. But this isn't about personal opinion on candidates. Generally I prefer a president to have some experience in international or national politics before being president. Trump was never an elected official. But okay, let's give an untried politician the benefit of the doubt. Academic qualifications, Not really stellar from what I can see. Obama wasn't the best president in history by any stretch of the imagination, but no one can say he wasn't a good speaker or at least moderately educated at the very least. Certainly he refrained from phrases like "very, very badly". Okay, maybe it's Trump speech writers (or maybe he's ignoring his speech writers entirely). He has already violated the constitution in his immigration act, and that is an absolutely historical first in US history. Trump is direct, no question, but subtlety is not his strong suit or knowledge of basic government topics like, say, the constitution, which one generally needs to "Uphold and defend the Constitution of the United states of America. (as per his required oath...which unfortunately he has technically broken. ) I don't think you necessarily need a degree ( Lincoln didn't have one, but he understood the dynamics of government and the people in it ). The understanding of the system into which he's inserted himself is not showing at the moment in my view.

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  16. Re:Appald Trump wants apps that app other apps! by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

    On Soviet Russia, rug sits on YOU!

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  17. Right idea... wrong company... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Oracle and Apple aren't even in the top 100 technology contractors. IBM and Microsoft are dwarfed by companies a lot of people have never even heard of, CSRA, CACI, SAIC, Harris, etc. Public sector contracting is it's own unique beast and succeeding in Federal contracting requires a unique combination of political prowess and tolerance for bureaucracy and, at times, sheer stupidity that many companies just won't tolerate... or even understand.

    These companies are masters at gaming the system and competing against them is very, very tough. I came into Federal contracting through the company I worked for being bought out. I did it for a few years thinking it would be interesting and I could make some sort of a difference. I finally told them to move me to a different office or I was quitting because I couldn't stand it anymore.

    Anyway, it doesn't matter whose in office. They've already been doing this and they will continue to do it long after Trump is out of office. Eisenhower warned of the dangers of letting industry get this tightly in bed with the government (specifically the military) in his farewell address and it proved to be very prescient.

    1. Re:Right idea... wrong company... by zlives · · Score: 1

      Eisenhower was speaking from experience after helping create the actual complex. In today's politics, the less experience the better...

    2. Re:Right idea... wrong company... by k6mfw · · Score: 2

      Also a lot of these companies and the people that work for them always chanting "Hoo rah for private enterprise! Down with gubmint socialism!" But yet they have just one customer: The Government.

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  18. Re:Coincidence? Probably not. -OT- by orgelspieler · · Score: 2

    Why is everybody's response to a perceived Trump criticism: "something something OBAMA something something!"? It's silly. OmniGeek never said Obama would have done it better. Frankly, I'm not sure OmniGeek even has a problem with Trump's proposal, he just found the juxtaposition humorous.

    For the record, I also had the same problem with criticisms of Obama being met with "At least he's not Bush!" That's just lazy rhetoric.

  19. Re:Maybe, but more than most by squiggleslash · · Score: 2

    Can you name and quote any "credentialed and qualified" person who has stated that Syria has moderate rebels who are positioned to turn Syria into anything remotely like Switzerland?

    Because if there's one thing I've noticed about the alt-right, it's that it's really easy for them to make up straw men to ridicule the viewpoints of their political opponents than it is to actually address what their opponents are actually saying.

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  20. Well, I see plusses and minuses. by hey! · · Score: 1

    "Transforming" the government is something a bunch of Silicon Valley executives could no doubt accomplish. The problem is that "transformed" isn't necessary "better".

    Facebook has transformed peoples' lives, to the point it's regarded indispensable for many. It hasn't really made their lives better.

    "Transformation" is a goal without a point of view; and blank screen on which anyone is free to imagine whatever colors he likes. Not like "cheaper". Cheaper is quite concrete. "More responsive" would be harder to measure than cheaper, but at least it represents something.

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  21. The Cyber by Arkham · · Score: 5, Interesting
    And I quote:

    So we have to get very, very tough on cyber and cyber warfare. It is a, it is a huge problem. I have a son.

    He's 10 years old. He has computers. He is so good with these computers, it's unbelievable. The security aspect of cyber is very, very tough. And maybe it's hardly do-able. But I will say, we are not doing the job we should be doing, but that's true throughout our whole governmental society.

    What a fucking moron.

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    1. Re:The Cyber by TrumpShaker · · Score: 1

      Hey, don't bash him too hard! He obviously knows the cyber and cyber warfare huge, hugely even. He is stating a fact, it is tough to secure cyber! And lastly, he takes the blame, "WE are not doing the job WE should be doing".... ;-) If he could cyber good like the good cyber people do, we would do better cyber!

      Another thing, "He's 10 years old. He has computers. He is so good with these computers, it's unbelievable." -
      I can't count how many times I've heard parents dote on their kids on how great they are with computers. Mostly it's something like they can find where that document went the parent downloaded or they can transfer files to a flash drive. Rarely it's "my kid wrote their own Minecraft server in Forth" or something.

      So which of these two does the youngest Trump son fall into?

  22. Re:Maybe, but more than most by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    There are moderate rebels in Syria. Or at least, there were. There was a sizable Syrian rebel force that was fighting to create a secular state and thought ISIS and AQ were both backwards rednecks. Unfortunately, there were more AQ and ISIS guys with more guns and support and basically executed the leaders and outspoken proponents of that ideology. The remainder are still out there, but in a much more reduced role.

    Source: I have lots of Syrian Moderate Muslims friends who were sending much material and monetary support to these groups before they were destroyed.

  23. Re:Appald Trump wants apps that app other apps! by zlives · · Score: 1

    appropriate use... finally

  24. Misread that by AdamThor · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Uh, "Transform and Modernize", or "Transfer and Monetize"?

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    1. Re:Misread that by cold+fjord · · Score: 1

      I think you could pay for all of the IT upgrades needed by the US Federal government if only we could monetize the continuing butt-hurt over Trump's victory in the election.

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  25. Good luck with that by MAXOMENOS · · Score: 1

    To modernize Federal IT, one must first find money to modernize Federal IT, then one must make broad, sweeping changes to Federal procurement rules.

    I don't see either of those happening. If they do, I don't see the second ending at all well.

  26. Re:Coincidence? Probably not. -OT- by OmniGeek · · Score: 1

    To be clear, most "transform" or "modernize" efforts, regardless of the political faction that launched them, and regardless of their innate merit, seem to run aground somewhere around halfway through when they start impinging on the interests of powerful political or institutional constituencies. Those that get through to the point of concrete proposals or final reports tend to be sent off to die of neglect in a legislative subcommittee.

    In the case of Trump's proposals, I think this will be a good thing, as the guiding principle of this administration (inasmuch as there can be said to be ANY principles at work there) seems to be to turn everything upside down, regardless of its actual merit, and break it all into the smallest bits imaginable, doing as much damage as humanly possible along the way. There's no other reasonable way (aside from simple corruption and self-serving pillaging) to interpret such actions as putting a climate-change denier in charge of the EPA and an enemy of public education in charge of the Department of Education.

    I've said it before, I'll say it again: Trump and his friends will do enormous damage to the country while failing to bring back the promised Golden Age.

    Yes, I do find the juxtaposition humorous; in dark times, we look for humor where we can find it.

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  27. Elephant by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1

    Trump will modernize government the same way his sons have modernized African wildlife.

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  28. I believe slashdot put up a story by WillRobinson · · Score: 1

    That should have been a comment to https://slashdot.org/story/17/...

  29. Wrong..just wrong. by riley · · Score: 1

    You don't get actual solutions by relying on "experts" that want to sell you something. Especially billions of dollars of something. You hire experts to assess the solutions put forward by vendors.

  30. Has this ever worked? by DidgetMaster · · Score: 1

    Did anything good come out of the committee organized by Obama? or Bush? or Clinton?

  31. Transform the truth by aglider · · Score: 1

    And modernize the ignorance! Cool initiative, indeed.

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  32. Signing an executive order means nothing. by Maxo-Texas · · Score: 1

    Congress has to fund it.

    The president has to ACTUALLY staff it. Mr. Trump still has THOUSANDS of jobs STILL unstaffed. He can't implement policy. It's like walmart can't restock produce shelves because they cut staffing levels too low.

    It's like Mr. Trump is talking to empty chairs (sort of like Clint Eastwood), giving them orders, smiling and looking proud. But empty chairs can't implement his policies.

    His incompetence is the only thing making his presidency remotely bearable.

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    She was like chocolate when she drank... semi-sweet at first and then increasingly bitter.
  33. This group should be outside the government itself by Applehu+Akbar · · Score: 1

    If POTUS were to set up such a group within the government, the Democrats would be able to forum-shop for some municipal night court judge to kill it in its crib.

  34. Arkham - Super Genius? by cold+fjord · · Score: 1

    And I quote:

      So we have to get very, very tough on cyber and cyber warfare. It is a, it is a huge problem. I have a son.

    He's 10 years old. He has computers. He is so good with these computers, it's unbelievable. The security aspect of cyber is very, very tough. And maybe it's hardly do-able. But I will say, we are not doing the job we should be doing, but that's true throughout our whole governmental society.

    What a fucking moron.

    Now you've got me curious ..... what does Trump have wrong there, specifically? Are you claiming that the Federal government does it right? (Despite the repeated break-ins and theft of government documents from multiple agencies regularly covered on Slashdot?)

    Or don't you like his wording?

    Or is this just an expression of your anger and rejection of Trump as president for beating the entitled candidate that "should have" won?

    Do you just prefer the redundant failure modes that Hillary and her campaign created for their IT because that is the "smart" thing to do and the obvious model to use for the Federal government?

    +5 "insightful" in this case ~= "shared spite" - You have lots of company.

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  35. She never had a better shot by SuperKendall · · Score: 1

    I voted for Trump, but would have voted for Sanders had he been running.

    What could the press possibly put up on Sanders than was worse than they put up about Trump? Not that they would have anyway, Sanders would have been untouched by the press.

    But on top of that Sanders had no stench or corporations, of dishonesty, or just downright inhumanity that the Clintons have worked hard to obtain over decades. Sanders would have been the rational sane choice compared to Trump, but as it was you had Trump and the even more insane and corrupt choice of Hillary. Literally ANY other Democrat would have won over Trump (certainly Biden would have).

    The Democrats are screwed now though because Trump will be normalized over four years, and the DNC shows no sign of moving towards any kind of sanity or popularity. The next election Trump will win by quite a large margin, even if they do manage to convince Biden to run (I don't think Sanders would be able to beat an already president Trump).

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  36. New Math - 304 - 232 = "Rounding Error" by SuperKendall · · Score: 1

    That is some horribly inept analysis. Hillary won the popular vote and lost the electoral college by a rounding error.

    That is some horribly inept math. Clinton had 232 electoral votes, Trump had 304. 304 - 232 = 72, that is a pretty large round number and pretty far from a "rounding error". That is a massive electoral victory that showed how screwed Clinton was, a few more states could have swung her way and she still would have lost.

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    "There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
  37. Re:Maybe, but more than most by HornWumpus · · Score: 1

    It's true. Facts _are_ flamebait to liberals.

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  38. Re:Coincidence? Probably not. -OT- by orgelspieler · · Score: 1

    I can't decide if he's a bull in a china shop, unwittingly making a mess of things, or the kids in that short story, The Destructors.

  39. Not a bad idea except by colonel+spalding · · Score: 1

    When the oversight is from, by a mentally disturbed human that can barely read and speak above a 6th grade level. How could that possibly work to the American peoples benefit.