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Managers Should Start Texting Job Candidates, Says Study (fastcompany.com)

From a report: A new survey by Yello, a talent recruiting software company, has found that there are some aspects of the hiring process that companies could stand to improve. The report, taken from a survey of 1,461 young adults between the ages of 18 and 30 who were either currently employed or had accepted full-time or internship offers, found that mobile phones are one of the most useful tools for the interviewing and hiring process. Text messages, for example, may be the unsung hero of the communication loop. Yello's survey data indicates respondents would welcome getting a text from a business, particularly because they're so used to responding quickly to text messages. The report shows that 86% of those surveyed felt positively when text messages were used during the interview period, an increase from 79% in 2016. More candidates are happy to do video interviews in lieu of traveling to meet hiring managers in person.

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  1. Millenials by tattood · · Score: 2

    Its not surprising that the Millennials, who spend a lot of their time texting on their phones, like to be contacted by texts.

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    1. Re:Millenials by RabidReindeer · · Score: 1, Interesting

      So is this age discrimination?

      Because I usually only see the text alerts at the end of the day when I plug my phone in to charge.

    2. Re:Millenials by EvilSS · · Score: 1

      Its not surprising that the Millennials, who spend a lot of their time texting on their phones, like to be contacted by texts.

      Not just millennials. I am very much not a millennial and I much prefer text over voice calls most of the time, especially for business. It forces people to be brief, and I can decide how urgent it is and respond appropriately.

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    3. Re:Millenials by Pentium100 · · Score: 1

      To me, a text message is good for short conversations that require intermediate speed response.

      If you want me to drop everything I do and talk to you, call me, but in some cases (say, I'm driving) I may be unable to answer, then I'll call you back as soon as I can, hopefully you will be able to answer then. This is OK if what you need to talk about only has value in that instant or you really need a fast response from me r you need a confirmation that I have received the info.

      If you want to tell me something, but it can wait an hour or so, send me a text message, I'll read it as soon as I can.

      If you want to tell me something, but this does not require fast action from me, send me an email, I check my email a few times a day.

      So, to me, "You are (not) hired" is quite appropriate for SMS. It does not require me to drop everything and talk to you, but lets me know quite quickly about the result.

    4. Re:Millenials by boskone · · Score: 2

      The other thing that email is UNIQUELY great at is for having more than a few bytes of info.

      Great, you're hired.

      OK, sure, that could be text or call or email, but WtF are the next steps?

      Employment packet? Call Tim in HR to schedule your background check? What's his number again, here, let me find a pencil and write that down

      or send me a fucking email with the info I need.

      again, fine if some people want to hear via text they got it or not, but even the text would need to include "look for an email with details"

      BTW, it's never just "you're hired"

      it usually is "we'd like to make you and offer"

      then you dicker on start date and pay. I don't really want to do that via SMS.

      maybe i'm doing it wrong, but I actually like to get a useful amount of information, beyond twitter length

    5. Re:Millenials by Pentium100 · · Score: 1

      No, I do not want to have a long conversation via SMS too. However, I may not be able to check my email very often (maybe my current job is away from a PC or I do not have a job and am doing something away from a PC), but I would like to be notified of the answer faster than the next time I check my email.

      After receiving the SMS, I would find some paper and a pen and would call back to ask for the additional information or check my email for it.

    6. Re:Millenials by Aighearach · · Score: 1

      The part I don't understand is, "Managers should." This seems a bit like an underpants gnome exercise, with backwards phrasing. Underpants yoda, I guess.

      In other news, 83% of surveyed professionals said they would feel positive about being assigned a private business jet, and 92% would feel positive about being given a free car. Only 7% had positive feelings about receiving a pony as a signing bonus.

      98% of managers felt positive about hiring employees who read and comprehended the contact instructions in the job listing and conformed their normal practices to the requested procedure.

      83% of executives requested a meeting to discuss the company policy regarding use of cellphones during work after having heard of this study.

    7. Re:Millenials by Pentium100 · · Score: 1

      Yea, it also leaves a log by default, so I can always just read the message again if I forget some detail. When talking over the phone I either have to write it down (good if I can do it at the time) or record the conversation (also good, but needs preparation).

    8. Re:Millenials by zifn4b · · Score: 1

      Its not surprising that the Millennials, who spend a lot of their time texting on their phones, like to be contacted by texts.

      Meanwhile, Gen X likes to be contacted via ICQ or AOL Instant Messenger but the Millenials, who are attempting to hire them, don't understand what either of those things are. The struggle is real!

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    9. Re:Millenials by wyHunter · · Score: 1

      Some of us (older) gen-xers prefer to use complete sentences, so email or (gasp!) paper also works.

    10. Re:Millenials by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      I'm not a millennial but I'll take text over phone call. I get bombarded by calls whenever I update my profiles, most of them during work time. On the rare occasion I answer the other person is either on an unintelligible VOIP line or the job is bullshit. Most of them can't read ether, so rarely take into account my requirements. What part of "not on the Brexit zone (excluding Scotland)" is unclear?

      Email is best, easiest to ignore.

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  2. Hai u haz job? by zifn4b · · Score: 5, Funny

    Hai u haz job? I haz i wud lik to offr u, u intersted?

    Or u could just go straight to the employer equivalent of Tinder. Ideal candidates will have exceptional rap battle skillz.

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    1. Re:Hai u haz job? by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 1

      Hai u haz job? I haz i wud lik to offr u, u intersted?

      Sorry, I don't speak fluent Japanese. :P

  3. I guess I'm officially old now. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    I just think this sounds ridiculous. I text my buddy to see if he saw that awesome goal on TV. I'm not interested in getting texts from companies in any way, shape, or form - employment related or otherwise.

    1. Re:I guess I'm officially old now. by mrchaotica · · Score: 1

      I just think this sounds ridiculous.

      I'm allegedly a millennial (at least of the "Oregon Trail" generation), and I concur.

      You know what every single person with a text-message-capable smartphone also has? A fucking phone! One that he can make a phone call with, and have a conversation with the interviewer using his voice! It's shocking, I know, but it's true!

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    2. Re:I guess I'm officially old now. by omnichad · · Score: 1

      Dialing into VM? Where do you get your cellular service from, the stone age?

      Give out a Google Voice number or build up your own transcription system using their Speech API.

    3. Re:I guess I'm officially old now. by omnichad · · Score: 1

      And the bright side of this - if you leave a voicemail when they don't answer, you can weed out the people who don't check their voicemail.

    4. Re:I guess I'm officially old now. by Wulf2k · · Score: 1

      Why would somebody willingly engage in a game of phone tag?

      I'd rather die of dysentery.

      Well, maybe not die. But at least get really sick from.

    5. Re:I guess I'm officially old now. by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 1

      And the bright side of this - if you leave a voicemail when they don't answer, you can weed out the people who don't check their voicemail.

      Or anyone who didn't call within 15 minutes of a job posting appearing on Indeed.com.

    6. Re:I guess I'm officially old now. by omnichad · · Score: 1

      I didn't see any restrictions on the speech API - it's available in 80 languages.
      https://cloud.google.com/speec...

      Google Voice is only one way to get visual Voicemail - iPhone pretty much forced it with every carrier and Android at least makes it an option.

    7. Re:I guess I'm officially old now. by omnichad · · Score: 1

      That just proves desperation - not always a good quality in an employee (or that they spend all day at work surfing Indeed.com).

    8. Re:I guess I'm officially old now. by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 1

      That just proves desperation - not always a good quality in an employee (or that they spend all day at work surfing Indeed.com).

      I've gotten a half-dozen interviews that way. Alternatively, if a recruiter calls you and you don't call back in 15 minutes, some won't consider you for a position because you weren't "prompt" enough.

    9. Re:I guess I'm officially old now. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      That just proves desperation - not always a good quality in an employee (or that they spend all day at work surfing Indeed.com).

      I've gotten a half-dozen interviews that way. Alternatively, if a recruiter calls you and you don't call back in 15 minutes, some won't consider you for a position because you weren't "prompt" enough.

      With that attitude they probably weren't worth calling back anyway.

    10. Re:I guess I'm officially old now. by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 1

      With that attitude they probably weren't worth calling back anyway.

      You wouldn't know until you called them back. Some recruiters think unemployed people just sit around waiting for the phone to ring. When I'm doing an active job searching, I'm tracking of 32 calls and emails each day.

    11. Re:I guess I'm officially old now. by OrangeTide · · Score: 1

      You wouldn't know until you called them back.

      Oh I know the type already. No thanks.

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    12. Re:I guess I'm officially old now. by Aighearach · · Score: 1

      You know what else somebody with a smartphone has with them? Email. You can haz whole words!

    13. Re:I guess I'm officially old now. by dbIII · · Score: 1

      Yes I heard someone do an interview by phone on a bus - I think that kind of sucked for both parties and the large audience was also visibly disgusted that there was a bit of nepotism in the mix.
      Sometimes setting up a time works better than just trying to do it on the fly.

    14. Re:I guess I'm officially old now. by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      You know what every single person with a text-message-capable smartphone also has? A fucking phone! One that he can make a phone call with, and have a conversation with the interviewer using his voice! It's shocking, I know, but it's true!

      But from an HR/interviewer's point of view it's far quicker and easier to get an unpaid intern send out a bunch of "soz u r not hrd" texts, rather than having a well paid professional spend all day on the phone listening to sob stories about how people were depending on the job to feed their bed-ridden mother, etc.

      This is about companies saving money.

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    15. Re:I guess I'm officially old now. by mrchaotica · · Score: 1

      You know what's even faster than that? E-mail. Paste the rejected candidates' addresses into the BCC field and you're done.

      (There are ways to send SMS to multiple recipients at once too, but as far as I know they're less ubiquitously available. Also, copying and pasting on phones sucks.)

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  4. More ways to shoot yourself in the foot by Austerity+Empowers · · Score: 3, Insightful

    With reddit full of auto-correct errors ranging from lewd to obscene, I cannot imagine the already stressful process of interviewing will be enhanced with the frustration of texting.

    1. Re:More ways to shoot yourself in the foot by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      Thank you for contacting me about this opportunity. I promise I will beat a harp worker for you.

      *beat a harp worker

      *BE A HARP WORKER

      *HARD, HARD, DUCKING AUTOCORRECT!

    2. Re:More ways to shoot yourself in the foot by mjwx · · Score: 1

      Thank you for contacting me about this opportunity. I promise I will beat a harp worker for you.

      *beat a harp worker

      *BE A HARP WORKER

      *HARD, HARD, DUCKING AUTOCORRECT!

      This must be an Iphone thing. I never get such incorrect texts on my Nexus 5x. Also if I write fucking, it prints fucking.

      Typed this out on my Nexus 5x. HTML is a pain in the arse.

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  5. Re:I am extra partial to blowjobs by PopeRatzo · · Score: 4, Funny

    Texts are so 2000 and late. You give me a good blowjob, you got yourself an interview.

    This was the original idea for The Apprentice.

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  6. Codding childrens needs. by geekmux · · Score: 2, Insightful

    "...a survey of 1,461 young adults between the ages of 18 and 30...found that mobile phones are one of the most useful tools for the interviewing and hiring process"

    Translation: 1,461 young adults admit they can't live without their mobile phone, and prefer it as the tool for communicating, regardless if it's for an interview or a Tinder hook-up.

    I wonder how these young adults would feel if they got fired via text message. Oh, suddenly that would be rude and impersonal? Yeah, not unlike wanting to be hired via text message.

    "More candidates are happy to do video interviews in lieu of traveling to meet hiring managers in person."

    I can understand if a company is having a difficult time filling a position being open to a bit more flexibility when hiring, but this kind of pandering and coddling to the social-media texting generation is rather pathetic. You want the job bad enough? Then make an effort to get off your ass and go meet the human hiring you in fucking person.

    1. Re:Codding childrens needs. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Not to mention actually SEEING the work environ before you accept an offer can be as enlightening as the interview itself... I'm old and only had to jump 8 or so jobs at most in my career because I made fucking sure I'd like the place before accepting... but hey, wtf would I know right??

    2. Re:Codding childrens needs. by WDot · · Score: 1

      I'm in the age range and I've never personally requested a Skype interview, but it's common now from what I see. It's a convenience because the company doesn't have to fly me out and pay for my food and hotel.

      As for texting, yes I would like to be texted information about the current status of the hiring process. Or emailed. Honestly, 9/10 phone calls I get these days are spam. I regularly communicate with my friends through text messages rather than calling them up on the phone. It's quiet, convenient, and asynchronous. On a phone call I have to find a quiet place or advertise my conversation to everybody around me. Texting is discreet.

      Texting or other smartphone messaging does not have to have a brutish, uncouth character. One could use the same technology to discuss Dostoevsky or ancient Greek tragedy, with properly spelled words. Proper spelling is even easier these days because of Swype and autocorrect trying to match your taps to dictionary words.

    3. Re:Codding childrens needs. by jbmartin6 · · Score: 1

      They must be having a difficult time hiring if they are "companies wanting to hire up-and-coming talent" (from TFA) instead of simply hiring proven talent.

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    4. Re:Codding childrens needs. by chispito · · Score: 4, Interesting

      As someone who's slightly outside of that demographic, I'd appreciate the text because it lets me move the process forward without announcing to all the coworkers in a 50 foot radius that I'm job hunting.

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    5. Re:Codding childrens needs. by Quince+alPillan · · Score: 2

      I can understand if a company is having a difficult time filling a position being open to a bit more flexibility when hiring, but this kind of pandering and coddling to the social-media texting generation is rather pathetic. You want the job bad enough? Then make an effort to get off your ass and go meet the human hiring you in fucking person.

      Actually, being able to video conference in with the hiring manager is a boon when the hiring manager is at the other end of the state or across the country. It isn't 'pandering' or 'coddling'. It's a flat out necessity when you're unable to find the ideal candidate locally and flying potential candidates in is really expensive.

      I've found that it's fairly common for recruiters to recruit ideal candidates from around the country, even for jobs that aren't telecommute positions.

    6. Re:Codding childrens needs. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      When was the last time you were job searching? The standard procedure now is initial contact via email, followed by a screener call with an HR person. This is followed by 1-2 remote interviews with a manager or someone else from the team you're applying for. I use 'remote' because this is usually on the phone, but it is extremely common for it to be a video chat on Skype, Hangouts, or Webex. If it's a technical job it usually involves some sort of coding test in a shared document of some sort.

      After all that is when you actually get invited in to talk in person. Which is usually another 3-5 hour back to back set of interviews with lunch thrown in. Interviewing takes hours from both parties and video chat interviews even from the same city are the norm. It saves everybody time and effort.

      Now personally I prefer email over just about everything else for scheduling. But I wouldn't be particularly bothered by a text messages. It'd certainly mean more concise to the point interactions rather than the annoying "Hi Bob. How are things? What's your availability for this week? Thanks, Joe." email chains always are.

    7. Re: Codding childrens needs. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Millennials: Wouldn't it be easier if you just contacted me directly through the device I carry with me everywhere just like most normal people nowadays?
      Angry, confused baby boomer: YOU'RE SO ENTITLED. IN MY DAY WE DIDN'T HAVE PHONES SO YOU SHOULDN'T EITHER. COMMUNICATING EFFICIENTLY TRIGGERS ME.

    8. Re:Codding childrens needs. by mx+b · · Score: 2

      Translation: 1,461 young adults admit they can't live without their mobile phone, and prefer it as the tool for communicating, regardless if it's for an interview or a Tinder hook-up.

      I wonder how these young adults would feel if they got fired via text message. Oh, suddenly that would be rude and impersonal? Yeah, not unlike wanting to be hired via text message.

      The linked article never said anything about rude or impersonal, where did you get that? It just said the phone is most convenient, and that's kind of a 'duh', isn't it? Not just texts, but email and websites can be accessed by mobile phone, at any time.Of course people are going to say they prefer that to sitting around at home staring at a landline or PC waiting for the call/email. I'm sure people in the '90s were saying "These young people can't live without their internet and email, why can't they just pick up the phone and call? Phones are much more personal!".

      One of my biggest gripes with job applications these days is the complete lack of communication. I have no idea if my resume is being process, was rejected, or simply fell into a black hole and was never received. I'd like some feedback since I put some time and effort into applying for a job they took the time and effort to post for, especially because I might get an offer from a different job that wasn't my first choice and it would be nice to weigh the options if I have a chance at both. I think texts would be a perfect communication channel for this. A quick text of "Your resume was received and we'll get back to you", followed up with a request to set an interview time or a generic "Thank you for applying, we filled the position!" would be fantastic just to keep me in the loop. Wastes less time for everyone. Again, the article didn't say they expect interviews over text message, just that applicants feel more positive when texts are used as part of the process (which I interpret as the communication channel for updates as I said).

      I can understand if a company is having a difficult time filling a position being open to a bit more flexibility when hiring, but this kind of pandering and coddling to the social-media texting generation is rather pathetic. You want the job bad enough? Then make an effort to get off your ass and go meet the human hiring you in fucking person.

      Who says its pandering or coddling, or that millennials are too lazy to go in? There's plenty of reasons for both sides to enjoy video interviews: easy to schedule around a busy schedule (no travel time or sitting in traffic, in a rush to get back to another job or event; after all, interviews take place during the work day, so who can go on interviews easily when you don't already have a good job with paid time off?), saves money (interviewee saves parking fees, bus fare, gas, etc., and interviewer saves money particularly if the candidate is out of town and they don't need to pay to fly them in for an interview; remember also that every minute spent in the interview is the employer spending money on the salary of the interviewer, video interviews can be used as quick screening much easier than bringing someone in for a full day interview), and maybe using such tech is now an important skill in a now global economy (do you fly people half way around the world for a business meeting, or just video call them?).

      Millennials are adapting to changing economics and job market, as well as technology, cut them some slack.

    9. Re: Codding childrens needs. by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      a week long anything goes pass at the best nunnery in town

      Either this is a piece of slang I've never heard before, the company was run by perverts, or you are a fucking idiot. Tough call.

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    10. Re:Codding childrens needs. by wyHunter · · Score: 1

      I suspect, more likely, the companies don't want to spend money on bringing a candidate in for an interview until the very end. Many things are phrased like it's convenient for employees and potential employees but it's mostly for the convenience of the company. Which is fine, but a bit of honesty would be nice. But I'd like to see where I'd be living, the environment in which I would be working, and so on.

    11. Re:Codding childrens needs. by wyHunter · · Score: 1

      Translation: "Up and coming" == "Cheaper"

  7. txt job to jobline to find jobs in your area by Joe_Dragon · · Score: 1

    txt job to jobline to find jobs in your area
    txt cmd to jobline for help on to use our sms job app and hr chat system.

    Each SMS costs 99 cents + your standard rate.

    txt stop to jobline to stop.

  8. Revenue idea by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    All the phone numbers gathered from unsuccessful candidates will be sold to data mining firms that specialize in marketing to people who are searching for jobs. This will help offset the cost of the interview process.

  9. What's wrong with email? by fred6666 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Not being limited to 140 characters, being able to reply from a PC with a real keyboard sounds like real advantages. No reason to still use SMS in 2017, but even less for job hiring.

    1. Re:What's wrong with email? by antdude · · Score: 1

      Ditto. SMS is so informal and limited. :(

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    2. Re:What's wrong with email? by belg4mit · · Score: 2

      I don't know, but many companies don't even bother to send confirmations/denials by email, I cannot imagine they'd be any better at doing so with SMS.

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    3. Re:What's wrong with email? by gustygolf · · Score: 1

      Top posting is what's wrong with e-mail.

      How the hell are you supposed to reply to someone who top-posts?

      Whenever I need to converse with a top-poster, I keep deleting the old fully quoted messages the top-poster's email client left, and it gets old really quick and I lose a stupid amount of context with that act.

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  10. Fuck texts by bigdavex · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I hate texts. I hate that some people think that texts imply urgency for my reply. I hate that I do not receive them on my computer. I hate that I cannot search through very old texts. Texts are just email only shitty.

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    1. Re:Fuck texts by antdude · · Score: 1

      Ditto. I hate texting and yet everyone wants to use it. They hate e-mails, IMs, IRC, etc. :(

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    2. Re:Fuck texts by Sir+Holo · · Score: 1

      ... I hate that I do not receive them on my computer. ... Texts are just email only shitty.

      Buy a Mac, and you'll get texts on both your computer and phone.

      Kids prefer texts partially because they believe they are not logged. They are. They are legal documents, just like emails.

      And never respond to an out-of-hours text from the boss – unless it comes with some overtime pay.

  11. I guess I will be showing my age here... by ControlsGeek · · Score: 5, Interesting

    But for my first real job I was invited to the interview (and physical exam) by telegram.

    1. Re:I guess I will be showing my age here... by omnichad · · Score: 1

      Is your age 112?

    2. Re:I guess I will be showing my age here... by Chris+Mattern · · Score: 1

      But for my first real job I was invited to the interview (and physical exam) by telegram.

      So why did Mr. Edison decide to hire you?

    3. Re:I guess I will be showing my age here... by dpidcoe · · Score: 1

      wait... Telegram as in the old style messaging system? Or Telegram as in the chat program?

    4. Re:I guess I will be showing my age here... by Aighearach · · Score: 1

      Telegrams were a thing for business clear up until cell phones were common. Even in the Pager Age they were still used.

      The point was that it is like a cross between the mail, and a taxi. And in fact, the person actually delivering the telegram was probably a taxi driver. The telegram company prints the text, gives it to the taxi, and they go and find you and deliver it. So if it is a hotel or something, you don't need the exact address or even the exact name, just a close enough description to get them there. You might even be at a restaurant or something and they find you there and deliver it because they talked to the doorman at the hotel. Keep in mind, there was no internet or Google Maps.

      Even once they could send a fax to the hotel it still kinda sucked, because "oh, you got a fax yesterday" wasn't a big deal. But everybody knew TELEGRAMS were IMPORTANT and so people would go to great lengths to find you if they knew you had one waiting. So sending a telegram to a prospective employee was a big "YOU'RE IMPORTANT TO US!!!" shout-out.

      And to tell a Special Someone how important they are, they had singing telegrams, and you could send flowers with an attached telegram. That is what people had to do before animated cat gifs.

    5. Re:I guess I will be showing my age here... by Big+Hairy+Ian · · Score: 1

      Owww poor little baby http://www.telegraph.co.uk/tec...

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    6. Re:I guess I will be showing my age here... by WallyL · · Score: 1

      When I read GP's message, I truly was thinking of the chat program. I thought to myself, "He's... my age?" It took me a few additional seconds to realize he must mean the real, telegraph wire system.

  12. Legal issues by captaindomon · · Score: 1

    There are legal issues with offers and other job interview related functions. Usually retention rules on offers and communications, HR signoff, Finance signoff, etc. So this would be limited to "is next tuesday good for the interview?" and that's about it.

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    1. Re:Legal issues by Aighearach · · Score: 1

      If you're scared to retain documents related to your hiring practices, you're doing it wrong.

      If you're doing it right, those documents all cover your ass!

  13. Re:Oh hell no. by omnichad · · Score: 1

    Then buy a virtual number for something like $1.50 per month and enable SMS on that. Have the texts routed to your email so you don't get woken up.

  14. considering offer by EzInKy · · Score: 1

    just give me sex

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    1. Re:considering offer by Aighearach · · Score: 1

      OK yr apntmnt is tues 9:45a clinic at 555 Castro St, no fluids 12 hrs befr

  15. Don't try it with me by Opportunist · · Score: 1

    If I'm not worth it to send me a reply that doesn't fit into a fucking Tweet, I guess you can't really want me that badly.

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  16. Re:audit trail? by omnichad · · Score: 1

    Text messages don't always have to come from a cell phone tied number. You can set up a gateway and get a 10-digit SMS number and corporate it up all you want.

  17. Re:Cellular as a utility. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Cellular broadband.

  18. Smart phones for contractors... by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 1

    When I was working seven days a week for two years after the Great Recession, I upgraded my voice-only cellphone for a generic smartphone that got email and Internet access. That was quite useful as drove back and forth across Silicon Valley for contract assignments. The only problem that I had with generic smartphone that it would occasionally butt call my boss and I would hear his voice coming out of my ass.

    1. Re:Smart phones for contractors... by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 1

      An irrelevant story, courtesy of the man who loves to hear his own voice.

      I have no plans to offer a podcast. Maybe next year. ;)

  19. I love replying at 3 am by WillAffleckUW · · Score: 1

    It shows how responsible I am

    Also using abbreviations that can be easily misconstrued, and workplace invalid emojis.

    "It's So Fluffy!!!!"

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    1. Re:I love replying at 3 am by Wulf2k · · Score: 1

      ...So, don't?

      Or do.

      If that's the sort of thing you're going to do, it's best they find out at the beginning of this process rather than some time after.

  20. Take away by oh_my_080980980 · · Score: 1

    If the applicant can't handle the hiring process, then maybe they aren't worth hiring. If the applicant is in demand, then they'll be hired regardless of what you do.

    1. Re:Take away by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 1

      If the applicant can't handle the hiring process, then maybe they aren't worth hiring.

      I have a zero tolerance for recruiters and hiring managers who waste my time. If I arrive 15 minutes early, announced my presence and nothing happens 15 minutes after the start of the appointment, I'll leave. The only exception to this rule would be if I've drove out of my way for an interview. One time I sat in a lobby for 90 minutes because the hiring manager thought I was a venture capitalist and wasn't expecting me to be dressed up in a suit-and-tie. I was better dressed than the CEO. Unbelievable.

    2. Re:Take away by Wulf2k · · Score: 1

      You sat there 90 minutes without identifying yourself?

    3. Re:Take away by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 1

      You sat there 90 minutes without identifying yourself?

      There was no receptionist and only a phone in the lobby. I left a voicemail for the hiring manager. He wore a sweat suit and came through three times. The recruiter kept calling to ask where the hell I was. Finally, on the fourth walkthrough, he talked to me. Everyone in the company thought I was a venture capitalist. That was last interview I wore a suit and tie.

    4. Re:Take away by Aighearach · · Score: 1

      People who not ejaculate frequently enough have a vastly increased rate of prostate cancer.

      Your hangups might kill you, but they won't kill me!

      http://www.harvardprostateknow...

      You think employers are lining up to hire people at increased risk of cancer?

    5. Re:Take away by Aighearach · · Score: 1

      I remember a study that they did in my area where they had business people meet with different actors impersonating business people, and then they gave them a survey about it. People in traditional business suits were viewed as untrustworthy. People in business-casual scored pretty well.

      But the highest scoring outfit was blazer + tie + blue jeans + dress shoes. This is in the Pacific Northwest.

      A similar study in California blue jeans scored really low, and blazer + tie + slacks + dress casual shoes scored at the top.

    6. Re:Take away by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 1

      Burned that bridge so good the contract agency lost the contract entirely and the last time I spoke with them they were still shell-shocked at what I had done to them.

      I try to avoid burning bridges whenever possible. Silicon Valley, for example, is a very small community. You may never know when your coworker will become your next boss or your last boss will become your subordinate. I do vent my displeasure on recruiters whom I felt misled me in some way.

  21. Re:Oh hell no. by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 1

    What do you have, a grandfathered plan from the turn of the millennium?

    My sister-in-law kept the same cellphone with a $10 per month plan for ten years. That is until she used the restroom at work one day. The cellphone slipped out of her of pocket and into the toilet bowl. Since it was an auto flush toilet, her cellphone was long gone by the time she turned around. She got an iPhone and paid $90 per month like the rest of us.

  22. What's good for the goose by taustin · · Score: 1

    is not always good for the gander.

    Sure, Millennials love to be able to ignore the world by sticking their nose in their phone, to the exclusion of all else (including oncoming traffic), but what manager in their right mind would ever interview someone by text, or hire someone without meeting them face to face?

    A conversation that takes two minutes face to face will take days by text, because you can only reliable get most people to answer a single question per exchange, and half the time, it won't be any of the questions asked. That's normal in text and email. Do that in person, and the interviewer will begin to question your mental health. Do that on the job, and you won't be on the job for long. Identifying people who are incapable of doing the job is the whole point of the interview.

    If a company is so desperate to hire employees they have to put up with this kind of childish nonsense, they have far bigger problems than interview processes.

    1. Re:What's good for the goose by Wulf2k · · Score: 1

      Nobody said the entire interview was through text.

      It's likely much simpler to text somebody and arrange an interview than it is to call, leave a voicemail, wait for their call, possibly to your voicemail, and so on. Or do both. Call, and if it goes to voicemail, send a text as well. They'll read the text before listening to the voicemail, and can respond immediately if they're on a bus or grocery shopping, rather than waiting for later to listen to their voicemail.

      Of course, I don't see professional texting catching on, but life would be much simpler if it did.

    2. Re:What's good for the goose by Kjella · · Score: 1

      A conversation that takes two minutes face to face will take days by text, because you can only reliable get most people to answer a single question per exchange, and half the time, it won't be any of the questions asked. That's normal in text and email. Do that in person, and the interviewer will begin to question your mental health. Do that on the job, and you won't be on the job for long. Identifying people who are incapable of doing the job is the whole point of the interview.

      This sounds the exact opposite of my experience, what ought to be a ten minute effective time, three hour wall time email exchange instead becomes a one hour long meeting. I'd appreciate any employee who can get their own thoughts together and give some coherent request or response in their own time instead of scheduling a meeting with no clear agenda, arrive unprepared and spend five people's time getting their rambling thoughts together on the fly. Granted, not everything can be solved like that but the experience from forcing people to submit a request in JIRA explaing what they want and why they want it instead of standing on my doorstep as been almost exclusively positive. At least if it's not an emergency and must be solved right now.

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    3. Re:What's good for the goose by taustin · · Score: 1

      You're funny. Most of the professional email I get is from people who can't spell, punctuate, or form a complete sentence.

  23. Seems like a non-sequitur by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 1

    From TFS:

    "Yello's survey data indicates respondents would welcome getting a text from a business, particularly because they're so used to responding quickly to text messages."

    How are those two phrases actually related? It's like saying "He is quite tall, particularly because his favorite color is blue."

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  24. that's a great idea by superwiz · · Score: 1

    I would love to be able to work with people who don't text. This would automatically filter out places with those people.

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  25. FeltPositively by sdinfoserv · · Score: 1

    Really? An interview candidate "felt positively" if they would get texted?
    They'd "feel positively" if they got paid 50 hours of work and only have to show up 2 days also.
    Grow up, it isn't about how you feel. Work hard, do a good job, receive recognition for skills and accomplishments. Get raises, move up the food chain...
    Or we can sit in circle holding hands and sharing our childhood insecurities....bwahahahaha
    Actually, I just don't want people to have my cell number...

  26. Re:Oh hell no. by rwa2 · · Score: 1

    Got a Google Voice number for free years ago that I can use for SMS without paying extra to my carrier. Also lets me send/receive SMS from the web interface using a real keyboard. Another bonus is that it transcribes my voicemail so I don't have to waste time listening to it.

    Seems extra pointless to pay for SMS messages, since they're low priority traffic that piggyback on the cellular control protocol, so they don't really cost the networks anything in terms of bandwidth or extra equipment. But American marketing likes to get you to pay extra for whatever they can make you perceive as a "feature".

  27. Re:Even the surveys by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 1

    Probably because older Millennials over 30 are growing up and behaving differently than their younger counterparts. Don't want to skew the results.

  28. Re:Oh hell no. by Guybrush_T · · Score: 1

    Welcome to the US, where unlimited texting only comes with $50+/month plans.

  29. Re:Oh hell no. by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

    I'm an odd combination of agile[1] and clumsy, plus there are a lot pickpockets round here. My phone, wallet and keys are all on lanyards. The only way one of them can gan doon the netty is if I go with it.

    [1] not in the shitty excuse for a methodology sense.

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  30. Video-recorded interviews? Really? by Sir+Holo · · Score: 1

    FTS:

    More candidates are happy to do video interviews in lieu of traveling to meet hiring managers in person.

    Really?

    Hiring someone with advanced training is a $300k to $1M decision (BS to PhD). What company would rely on a video-recorded interview to vet candidates on such a major decision?

    Hiring is a major decision in other ways, too. Fit with local and company culture, and myriad other qualities that you can't suss-out without a day or two face-to-face.

  31. Re:Oh hell no. by silverkniveshotmail. · · Score: 1

    Bullshit. You can easily get a $30 plan with unlimited texts, calls and 2GB of LTE.

  32. If this help make job recruiters irrelevant.... by CaptnCrud · · Score: 1

    then im all for it. What a useless industry....

  33. Re:Even the surveys by Aighearach · · Score: 1

    In the 1960s they had a saying, "Life ends at 30." Another one, "Don't trust anybody over 30."

    The song Lather by Jefferson Airplane still gets played on the radio. It sounds like it is about a Special Person, but actually it is just about their drummer's 30th birthday.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?...

  34. Re:Oh hell no. by Darinbob · · Score: 1

    I had to pay for mine so I disabled it. Later I found out I could get unlimited text, but they never notified me, I only learned when I went to change some other aspect of the account. Now I don't know where to get the plan you speak of without changing vendors, but I hear some people change often.

  35. Please don't by houghi · · Score: 1

    I will assume it was send as a massmailing. Just received one the other day, so I know I am still in some database from 10 years ago. If he really want to have me for a job, he best just pick up the phone and leave a message
    I have ALWAYS called back, even if I was not looking just to see what they where offering.
    OK, most of the time it will not be the manager himself and I am OK with that. He will also not be the person who picked me to make the list to be called.

    And yes, most people will not answer their phone, but as most will have voicemail, it is easy to leave a message.

    As a manager: If they do not call back, are they really the people you want in your company?

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  36. Re:Ummmm by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 1

    She could have just bought another similar phone.

    She didn't want another 1990-ish cellphone.

  37. Re:Cellular as a utility. by peawormsworth · · Score: 1

    The essentials are: food, water, clothing and shelter, sanitation, education, and healthcare.

    ...and the interview resulting in the job/money to obtain these essentials is NOT essential?