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Digital Economy Act: Illegal Kodi Streams Could Now Land Users In Prison For 10 Years (independent.co.uk)

An anonymous reader quotes a report from The Independent: The Digital Economy Act has passed into law, meaning people could now face ten-year prison sentences for illegally streaming copyrighted content. It covers a wide number of areas, including broadband speeds, access to online pornography and government data-sharing. However, amid the rising popularity of Kodi, an increase to the maximum prison term -- from two years to ten -- for people guilty of copyright infringement is particularly interesting. Anyone caught streaming TV shows, films and sports events illegally using websites, torrents and Kodi add-ons could technically face a decade behind bars. However, the new law will most likely target individuals and groups making a business out of selling illegal content, FACT CEO Kieron Sharp told the Mirror. The Independent also notes in a separate report that The Digital Economy Act could allow UK police to "remotely disable mobile phones, even before the user actually commits a crime." The Digital Economy Act "contains a section stating that officers will be able to place restrictions on handsets that they believe are being used by drug dealers," reports The Independent.

213 comments

  1. Leading the way to a police state by OneHundredAndTen · · Score: 5, Informative

    The UK is becoming a country of populism and a police state.

    1. Re:Leading the way to a police state by Maritz · · Score: 5, Insightful

      How dare there be a punishment for doing something illegal

      Yep, thanks for summarising the situation for everybody. There are two and only two positions.

      ONE: Nobody gets any punishment for doing something illegal.

      TWO: Watching a copyrighted work on a stream without paying gets you ten years in prison.

      You just announced you're an idiot, incapable of nuanced thought. Good going.

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    2. Re:Leading the way to a police state by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      We did it first! USA USA USA

    3. Re:Leading the way to a police state by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And punishing someone for potentially being suspected of being about to commit a crime is fine too then? Or did you not read the article or understand a thing?

    4. Re:Leading the way to a police state by monkeyxpress · · Score: 4, Insightful

      How dare there be a punishment for doing something illegal

      There was a punishment. 2 year losing your liberty for depriving a multi-billion dollar mega corp of some extra profit on a good that has no cost of production seems more than fair. 10 years is just ridiculous.

      Laws need to be proportional otherwise you have a police state, where everyone lives in fear of making one mistake and ending up in the gulag for the rest of their lives. People are not robots. They make mistakes and wrong choices. Punishment should be aimed at rehabilitation not ejecting them from society. That is what a confident, prosperous and mature society would do.

    5. Re:Leading the way to a police state by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hell yeah!!! And let's toss every person that stops to watch people commit crimes, like breaking into a car, into jail as well! How dare those assholes watch some illegal act and not expect punishment!

    6. Re:Leading the way to a police state by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      *becoming*???

    7. Re:Leading the way to a police state by JaredOfEuropa · · Score: 4, Insightful

      "a punishment", sure. But you know the legislators have gone off the rails when pirating a movie potentially carries a stiffer penalty than going into a store, threatening and physically harming the shopkeeper with a weapon, then making off with the physical DVD. (a quick google reveals UK sentencing guidelines of 7-12 years for a robbery with the highest category of harm and culpability)

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    8. Re:Leading the way to a police state by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      The bill was sponsored by US media corporations.

    9. Re:Leading the way to a police state by Big+Hairy+Ian · · Score: 1

      I guess Netflix, Amazon, Hulu & Sky are about to get a massive influx of sterling. Too bad it's worth 25% less than a year ago

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    10. Re:Leading the way to a police state by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And how dare someone not do anything illegal.

      remotely disable mobile phones, even before the user actually commits a crime

    11. Re:Leading the way to a police state by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      Punishment for doing something illegal (which is illegal for what reason again, by the way?) is one thing.

      Handing out ridiculously hard punishments for minor transgressions is another. That whole shit has a lot of chopping off limbs for stealing an apple.

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    12. Re:Leading the way to a police state by 91degrees · · Score: 1

      I hear this sort of thing a lot.

      What exactly is a "Police State"?

    13. Re:Leading the way to a police state by Opportunist · · Score: 4, Insightful

      For 10 years prison, I could beat someone into a pulp with lasting, permanently disfiguring and crippling injury.

      Come to think of it... where does the idiot that initiated this law live?

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    14. Re:Leading the way to a police state by silentcoder · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Allow me to introduce you to one of the most fundamental principles of justice: the punishment should fit the crime.
      Watching Game of Thrones from a dodgy website does not warrant a ten year jail sentence. It does not warrant any jail sentence at all. At most it warrants being forced to pay HBO damages equal to one months' subscription to their own streaming service (which is more than enough to bingewatch every episode of GoT they ever made - at a price THEY set).

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    15. Re:Leading the way to a police state by GuB-42 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      There is nuance, the maximum prison term has increased but it doesn't mean you will get 10 years for watching your favorite TV series on a illegal streaming website.
      Judges are not complete morons, and when minor copyright cases go to judgment, the sentence typically ends up being a reasonable fine. In fact, most of them simply don't want to bother with such cases, they have better things to do. It doesn't stop lawyers from sending you scary letters though.
      In fact, for small offenders, the film industry would rather decriminalize it so that it could be made into a much easier to enforce administrative fine, like a parking ticket.
      The maximum sentence is for very large scale, financially motivated operations.

      It is like the Chinese law that makes pollution a capital offense. They won't execute you because you didn't change your oil properly. But dumping industrial amounts of deadly chemicals in such a way that it ends up in drinking water is essentially mass murder, justifying the harshest punishment in the book.

    16. Re:Leading the way to a police state by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How dare there be a punishment for doing something illegal

      Why do you even mention "illegal"?
      Try to pay attention for a couple seconds out of your life, this entire discussion is about being imprisoned for doing perfectly legal things, things you are doing yourself, such as "wanting to have a cell phone to talk to mom" and the like, which is now a criminal offense.

    17. Re: Leading the way to a police state by Avoiderman · · Score: 1

      Indeed. Simpler stated this should have remained civil not criminal law, where it is just about any economic damage. UK has allowed private company interests direct a whole police force in the City of London Police. Already a fascist police state.

    18. Re:Leading the way to a police state by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      becoming it already is a police state.

    19. Re:Leading the way to a police state by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Regarding your sig:

      Slashdot killed the Unicode áâ

    20. Re:Leading the way to a police state by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      Crack down hard on crimes whites commit, but just let the muds do as they like.

      The UK is fast going the way of Rhodesia and South Africa. Cucked to death.

    21. Re:Leading the way to a police state by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      To everybody who believes in locking human beings in cages as punishment for non-violent crimes -- are you finally starting to see the absurdity of it?

    22. Re: Leading the way to a police state by silentcoder · · Score: 1

      Yep, that was sort of my point - if it's a violation then it's a civil violation and should be treated as such, with the court's focus on restoring the harm. Hence my proposed setting for the fine too. If you're really, really bad -they can tripple it so there is punitive damages too.

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    23. Re:Leading the way to a police state by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How dare so many things become illegal. Yet applying DRM, so that piracy is the only way to get a video to play, still isn't illegal yet. Warped.

    24. Re:Leading the way to a police state by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm absolutely convinced the legislators who brought the legislation which lead to sayings like "one may as well hang for a sheep as a lamb", and "in for a penny, in for a pound" used exactly the same kind of reasoning.

      The Brits have been there before, I just can't figure out why they would think it would work any better this time.

    25. Re:Leading the way to a police state by namgge · · Score: 1

      In England that's known as 'joint enterprise'.

    26. Re:Leading the way to a police state by Enigma2175 · · Score: 1

      noun
      1. a nation in which the police, especially a secret police, summarily suppresses any social, economic, or political act that conflicts with governmental policy.

      In modern society that should probably read "conflicts with governmental or corporate policy" but you get the gist of it.

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    27. Re:Leading the way to a police state by GameboyRMH · · Score: 1

      Reminds me of anything Andrew Orlowski (of The Register) has ever written on copyright. To him, there's nothing between copyright abolitionism and and full support for today's insane copyright laws and worse.

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    28. Re:Leading the way to a police state by 91degrees · · Score: 1

      I've read the dictionary definition. But if that's literally what people mean when they say this then they're being hysterical idiots. The police are not doing this, nor do they seem to be doing this.

      I assume people saying this are not hysterical idiots and they have a more restrained interpretation of what a police state is. Am I wrong?

    29. Re:Leading the way to a police state by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And punishing someone for potentially being suspected of being about to commit a crime is fine too then?

      The article says that the police have the ability to stop a crime by disabling a cell phone used in committing the crime. Disabling a cell phone is not "punishment".

      Or did you not read the article or understand a thing?

      Did you?

    30. Re:Leading the way to a police state by Big+Hairy+Ian · · Score: 1

      Actually the Kodi Streaming thing is from the EU Court of Justice https://www.theregister.co.uk/... not the Digital Economy Act 2017. And the 2 years in Jail previously was for downloading not streaming, however, thanks to the ECJ ruling the new legislation now also applies to streaming.

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    31. Re:Leading the way to a police state by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      We call these people conservatives, and no they don't see anything wrong with it.... unless THEY'RE the ones in the dock. Then it's different.

    32. Re:Leading the way to a police state by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Informative

      you are a retard

    33. Re:Leading the way to a police state by Snotnose · · Score: 1

      A few month back a (presumably) drunk guy hit and killed a pedestrian while speeding on a residential street in the rain. He took off, got turned in by his girlfriend (he was driving her car). He was sentenced yesterday to 10 years. Being California, he'll be out in 5.

    34. Re:Leading the way to a police state by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The thing about Kodi is many people don't know they are doing anything illegal. For instance, my girlfriend's parent bought a Kodi box through a regular retail channel (ebay, amazon, or something like that), 2 in fact and they just follow the set up instructions and search for shows and movies. They dont install anything illegal (that they know of). In fact, they are so tech savvy that they needed their daughter to actually hook it up to the tv. Even though I warned them that they could be watching illegal tv streams, they have no idea what that means or how to determine whether or not they are. Should people like that really be sent to prison for 10 years?

    35. Re:Leading the way to a police state by Oswald+McWeany · · Score: 2

      How dare there be a punishment for doing something illegal

      The problem is that this is a very harsh punishment for a crime that many people are guilty of. Making a figure up out of my arse, but 10 years for a crime that maybe 25% of the population are guilty of.

      These kind of laws that snare a large portion of the population are good for police abuse.

      "I suspect Mr Smith is guilty of killing his wife but I can't prove it Sarg."
      "Well Constable, just check his internet history, see if he's been using a Kodi, we can send him to jail for that instead".

      Or - Mr. Bloggs is challenging Mr. Grubbs for the local MP for a seat in parliament.. Mr. Grubbs greases a policeman's hand to check to see if his rival has streamed illegal TV content.

      A lot of authoritarian goverments use this kind of tactic. Soviets were famous for having lots of really brutal punishments for crimes that lots of people committed.

      Studies have shown that increasing punishment does not prevent people breaking a law. Chance of being caught is the real motivator to prevent people breaking the law.

      Look at Saudi Arabia and alcohol laws- real brutal punishment but lots of Europeans who are stationed there play Russian Roulette with alcohol consumption because they think they won't get caught.. It's the same with streaming- the ridiculous 10 year sentence is not going to prevent people because they think they're not going to get caught. All it's going to do is give people ridiculous sentence for a minor offence.

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    36. Re: Leading the way to a police state by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They already have mass surveillance like no other country and don't even bother to hide it. I had no idea they could also control people's phones remotely. Hate to say this, but I would rather visit Afghanistan than the UK at this point. Yes, I'm more likely to get shot in one country versus the other ( no "gun" violence in GB; stabbed maybe?), but there's absolutely no freedom in being monitored all the damn time. I know what some people are thinking, but the UK is being monitored more just by its own government than any other country per population and square feet or whatever screwed up WWII anti-nazi measurements they still use.

    37. Re:Leading the way to a police state by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But you forgot that in that case the store owner has already paid the megacorp for the product, so who gives a shit, right?

    38. Re:Leading the way to a police state by Applehu+Akbar · · Score: 1

      What exactly is a "Police State"?

      Idaho.

    39. Re:Leading the way to a police state by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Idiot, way to label people for no reason.

    40. Re:Leading the way to a police state by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why do you think two years of someone's life for what you you consider marginal damage "seems more than fair"?

    41. Re: Leading the way to a police state by guruevi · · Score: 1

      In the US they are being sold at Walmart and shopping malls, selling a "replace your cable" subscription for $15/mo which includes all your channels, HBO, Starz etc etc

      Walmart even carries the recharge cards for them so you don't even need a credit card.

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    42. Re:Leading the way to a police state by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In the spirit of internet one-upsmanship I went to school with a guy who was convicted twice of molesting kids. The amount of jail time he got was 1/24th of this. Punishment fits the crime eh?

    43. Re:Leading the way to a police state by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nope, don't commit the crime.

      Downvote, complain as much as you want, but theft is theft.

    44. Re:Leading the way to a police state by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      According to journalists who make a living by peddling alarmist clickbait.

    45. Re:Leading the way to a police state by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Funnier still, I would imagine that more than a few Slashdotters remember and can chime in with things like being the awkward nephew or neighbor to setup KaZaA, or God help us, fucking BearShare, for the police constable down the road.

      Now we're supposed to forget the humanity and lick boot because "the law is the law"?

      This is one of those cases where it's okay to scratch your head and ask "why?" This "law of the land" must change or be dismantled.

      It must otherwise be dismissed and ignored.

    46. Re:Leading the way to a police state by grahamsz · · Score: 1

      Though it can be used as leverage to extract plea deals. I know the UK doesn't operate in the quite the same way as the US, but if you have a situation where you might face a decade in jail (even if it's unlikely) then pleading guilty and taking community service is going to look really really attractive.

    47. Re:Leading the way to a police state by c · · Score: 4, Insightful

      There is nuance, the maximum prison term has increased but it doesn't mean you will get 10 years for watching your favorite TV series on a illegal streaming website.

      No, you'll be threatened with 10 years watching your favorite TV series on a illegal streaming website when you're given the "opportunity" to settle/plea bargain, and if you don't think the threat of ridiculous penalties doesn't cause people (criminals or innocents) to agree to seemingly insane things then you need to get out of your cave a lot more often.

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    48. Re:Leading the way to a police state by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Stupid fuck.

    49. Re:Leading the way to a police state by Lothsahn · · Score: 1

      People are not robots. They make mistakes and wrong choices. Punishment should be aimed at rehabilitation not ejecting them from society.

      Clearly, you don't live in the USA.

      That is what a confident, prosperous and mature society would do.

      Touché

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    50. Re:Leading the way to a police state by mrchaotica · · Score: 2

      The first step is to criminalize enough normal, common behavior that everyone becomes a criminal. The second step is to selectively arrest dissidents and people with inconvenient ideas not for opposing the people in power, but for breaking the "legitimate" and "reasonable" laws.

      For example, the United States has been a police state since at least the Nixon administration. Here's a quote from Nixon's former aide, John Ehrlichman, illustrating the point:

      "You want to know what this [the passage of the Controlled Substances Act and the "War on Drugs"] was really all about? The Nixon campaign in 1968, and the Nixon White House after that, had two enemies: the antiwar left and black people. You understand what I'm saying? We knew we couldn't make it illegal to be either against the war or black, but by getting the public to associate the hippies with marijuana and blacks with heroin, and then criminalizing both heavily, we could disrupt those communities. We could arrest their leaders, raid their homes, break up their meetings, and vilify them night after night on the evening news. Did we know we were lying about the drugs? Of course we did."

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    51. Re:Leading the way to a police state by myrdos2 · · Score: 1

      Also: "officers will be able to place restrictions on handsets that they believe are being used by drug dealers,"

      It's unsettling how guilt-until-proven-innocent keeps creeping up on us.

    52. Re:Leading the way to a police state by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      There was a punishment. 2 year losing your liberty for depriving a multi-billion dollar mega corp of some extra profit on a good that has no cost of production seems more than fair.

      Not interested in paying the cost of the service? Then you don't get access to the content. Its really very simple.

    53. Re: Leading the way to a police state by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      the punishment should be to watch GoT over and over and (in my opinion it's shit)

    54. Re: Leading the way to a police state by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Same thing happened here in NY. Drink driver hit a little old lady on the side of the road... took off... was later caught because of blood on his vehicle. He was given a 2-4 year sentance. Here in the US intention is a major part of determining sentancing.

    55. Re:Leading the way to a police state by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      To be fair, the a punishment should be at least 5-10 times the cost of the actual "damages" but the damages in this case would be one episode, not one month of service. I think something like $100 would be fair for a single offense, or if they can somehow prove infringement of hundreds or thousands of things (like, uh, some people I know would be guilty of) go for a multiplier of the monthly fee, say, $1000 or something.

    56. Re: Leading the way to a police state by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Exactly, My GF's parents were like... "how can it be illegal, we bought it at a reputable outlet? They wouldn't see anything illegal!". I try explaining it to them but they just stare back at me like a deer in headlights. Ive considered forcing it to run over vpn or tor but at least right now they have deniability should they get a visit from the law. Im not sure how theyd explain the vpn/tor without throwing me under the bus otherwise. For my own parents, they have Firestick with Prime and Netflix and have no idea or desire to install apps so we are good there.

    57. Re:Leading the way to a police state by Zemran · · Score: 1

      I love the way that they justify it by claiming that it will aid Britain's competitiveness in the digital era when it will likely do the opposite. A company does not need to be criminal to be wary of overly restrictive legal systems. The cost of auditing compliance can outweigh any benefit so it is safer and cheaper to run a legitimate business in a more relaxed legal environment.

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    58. Re:Leading the way to a police state by PrimaryConsult · · Score: 1

      In Japan the threat is so great that people regularly confess to crimes they didn't commit.

    59. Re:Leading the way to a police state by Zemran · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Plea bargaining is illegal in the UK. If you were offered a lenient sentence for pleading guilty that means that you are not getting a fair trial. You are saying that people should be punished for claiming to be innocent. That sounds like a police state.

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    60. Re:Leading the way to a police state by 91degrees · · Score: 1

      The first step is to criminalize enough normal, common behavior that everyone becomes a criminal. The second step is to selectively arrest dissidents and people with inconvenient ideas not for opposing the people in power, but for breaking the "legitimate" and "reasonable" laws.

      Right. This is my point. They haven't done either. This particular law may allow a little too much power to the police, but to actually be penalised, you need to take several active steps to break the law. Steps that most people are aware are illegal. The police really can't use this to harass political opponents. All they need to do is not illegally stream copyrighted content.

    61. Re: Leading the way to a police state by PrimaryConsult · · Score: 1

      Not sure if it's still this way but IIRC in the US, the person downloading / receiving the copyrighted file/stream is not committing an illegal act, only the person providing it. That said, I believe this changes if money is exchanged (e.g. buying a bootleg DVD) so the Kodi subscription fee might come into play.

    62. Re:Leading the way to a police state by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      He molested some kids and didn't download child porn from some free source, depriving some hard working movie maker of his income. If he did the latter, he'd probably be punished harder.

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    63. Re:Leading the way to a police state by Aighearach · · Score: 1

      When my ancestors were running the place they'd hang you from Tower for less.

      Probably why their children fled to America.

    64. Re:Leading the way to a police state by BlueStrat · · Score: 1

      The cost of auditing compliance can outweigh any benefit so it is safer and cheaper to run a legitimate business in a more relaxed legal environment.

      Sorry, that's illegal! :P

      Strat

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    65. Re:Leading the way to a police state by Aighearach · · Score: 1

      Creeping up?! Wasn't that the traditional system in the UK?

    66. Re:Leading the way to a police state by aevan · · Score: 1

      It's as much theft as casting a shadow is stealing sunshine [from someone not even in the area]. "But but all those potential photons!"

    67. Re:Leading the way to a police state by Aighearach · · Score: 2

      Watching Game of Thrones from a dodgy website does not warrant a ten year jail sentence.

      Considering the difference in both quality and efficiency between streaming and torrenting, I would support at least a 5 year sentence to an reeducation camp.

    68. Re:Leading the way to a police state by mrchaotica · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I was speaking generally about what it means to be a police state. But if you want to go back to the narrower topic at hand, that's fine too:

      All they need to do is not illegally stream copyrighted content.

      Oh it's that easy, eh? I'm not sure I agree.

      First of all, consider the fact that pretty much everything on the Internet is copyrighted. That means -- technically -- this law applies even to web pages as much as it does audio or video.

      Second, remember that this doesn't just criminalize knowingly uploading something without authorization, or even downloading it and knowingly keeping the local copy without authorization; it criminalizes mere "streaming." Consider the fact that in many cases, you have to "stream" something (i.e., download it to your temporary cache, without intending to save it permanently) -- such as a web page -- just to see what it is. You literally can't know if a particular act breaks the law until after you've done it!

      Third, copyright infringement cannot be determined just by looking at the act of streaming itself the mere fact that a copyright on the content in question exists, but instead hinges entirely on whether you have permission from the copyright holder or not. In many cases, even seemingly-legitimate downloading could turn out to be copyright infringement. For example, even mainstream, legitimate sites like Youtube have infringing content uploaded to them all the time and there's pretty much no way for you as a third-party to know whether the uploader had permission from the copyright holder or not. Moreover, even if you're downloading/streaming from a site controlled by the copyright holder himself (which you would think should imply tacit permission), you might be violating something in the fine print of the ToS which revokes your permission and thus criminalizes you.

      And sure, you might say -- like the copyright-maximalist quoted in the article does -- that "the new law will most likely target individuals and groups making a business out of selling illegal content." But the fact remains that this law could be used to nail pretty much anyone to the wall for a 10-year prison sentence, if the prosecutor was pissed off at them enough. And that's fundamentally unjust.

      To illustrate my point: if you're in the UK, you are now a felon. Why? Because of the following:

      I, mrchaotica, as the author and copyright holder of this Slashdot post, hereby declare that any access, streaming, or downloading of it by the person with username "91degrees" is unuthorized and thus copyright infringement.

      Too bad you had to commit the crime to find out about it, huh?

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    69. Re:Leading the way to a police state by Aighearach · · Score: 1

      When your currency devalues, stuff you import isn't any cheaper. Instead, prices go up. Services provided by foreign companies are likely to be priced based on the exchange rate.

      When your currency devalues, imports become more expensive and exports earn more.

      If people there are going to subscribe because they're a more-captive audience than before, they might even end up paying extra even beyond the exchange rate difference.

    70. Re:Leading the way to a police state by myowntrueself · · Score: 1

      I'm absolutely convinced the legislators who brought the legislation which lead to sayings like "one may as well hang for a sheep as a lamb", and "in for a penny, in for a pound" used exactly the same kind of reasoning.

      The Brits have been there before, I just can't figure out why they would think it would work any better this time.

      Indeed.

      And this time around theres nowhere practical for them to transport criminals to as a penal colony.

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    71. Re:Leading the way to a police state by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      For 10 years prison, I could beat someone into a pulp with lasting, permanently disfiguring and crippling injury.

      Come to think of it... where does the idiot that initiated this law live?

      Don't worry, the right people will be immune just like they already are to data collection if I am not mistaken.

    72. Re:Leading the way to a police state by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Next we get mandatory minimum sentences, tying judges hands and forcing them to imprison people for victimless crimes (cry me a river about the starving entertainment industry, please.)

    73. Re:Leading the way to a police state by rogoshen1 · · Score: 1

      not to be pedantic, but it should be marginally higher, else there's really no reason to pay for it at all (best case, you get the show for free, worst you just pay the list amount)

      but yep, 10 years in the clink or several thousand in fines is just a joke.

    74. Re:Leading the way to a police state by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Populism n. A political philosophy supporting the rights and power of the people in their struggle against the privileged elite.

      This is the exact opposite of what is happening here.

    75. Re:Leading the way to a police state by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      When my ancestors were running the place they'd hang you from Tower for less.

      Probably why their children fled to America.

      No, they fled so they could continue hanging people.

    76. Re: Leading the way to a police state by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Disabling phones of innocent people is not a reward.

      Drug dealer? Terms to discredit the innocent. This is prior to being charged.

    77. Re:Leading the way to a police state by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Court costs" will more than cover what you want. Pay HBO 20 bucks and pay the court 2000 for their costs. Then again that would give judicial employees an incentive to waste resources or give out unwarranted raises. Where should that exra money go? Certainly not to HBO, that would give them incentive to make it easier to do the crime than pay for the product, which they are currently demonstrating they are willing to do.

    78. Re:Leading the way to a police state by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How dare there be a punishment for doing something illegal

      There was a punishment. 2 year losing your liberty for depriving a multi-billion dollar mega corp of some extra profit on a good that has no cost of production seems more than fair. 10 years is just ridiculous.

      Laws need to be proportional otherwise you have a police state, where everyone lives in fear of making one mistake and ending up in the gulag for the rest of their lives. People are not robots. They make mistakes and wrong choices. Punishment should be aimed at rehabilitation not ejecting them from society. That is what a confident, prosperous and mature society would do.

      So the crime isn't important because the victim is a multi-billion dollar corporation? Or because the product isn't "real"?

      Come off it man. This isn't a police state demanding that you go to the salt mines for hiding a puppy in your trunk. This act increases the POSSIBLE range of sentencing to 10 years, it's not mandatory. "People are not robots"- neither are judges. The sentencing is variable because of the human element in the process; we don't just check a few boxes on Sentencing Form FU-42b and run it through a formula when you get caught selling burned DVDs on Craigslist so you can buy diapers for your kid. A judge won't put you in for a dime (or even the original 2 year stint) for watching Game of Thrones.

      The part you should be worried about is if they approve the bit about police disabling phones based on only suspected activity. That is where your society should be focusing their confident, prosperous, and mature efforts.

    79. Re:Leading the way to a police state by liquid_schwartz · · Score: 1

      Plea bargaining is illegal in the UK. If you were offered a lenient sentence for pleading guilty that means that you are not getting a fair trial. You are saying that people should be punished for claiming to be innocent. That sounds like a police state.

      To be fair I think that we're only Police State Lite, though moving in the direction of Police State Deluxe. BTW if you think it matters if you vote D or R with regards to halting the slide towards Police State Deluxe you're delusional and not paying attention. No major candidate in the past 20+ years has done anything to halt the slide, though Bernie might have.

    80. Re: Leading the way to a police state by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Theft is theft. But streaming isn't theft.

      One of the integral components of theft is taking something away from someone else. Streaming lacks that component.

    81. Re:Leading the way to a police state by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Such a comment is thrown because the previous comment has a degree of truth to it. The world is quite complex, and there are millions who don't see such an item as an issue as long as their worlds/bubbles are not messed with. You, are the idiot if you fail to understand (even if you remove the label you're crying about) that people behave in this way and don't understand the ramifications of something until they are facing it directly.

    82. Re:Leading the way to a police state by Altrag · · Score: 1

      Am I the only one who finds "populism" a silly choice for a derogatory political term? I mean I know that they're not using the word by its true definition when they call someone a "populist" but still.. you'd think they could have chosen something better than "you're working for the people! You bastard!"

    83. Re:Leading the way to a police state by Altrag · · Score: 1

      They justify everything that way though. Politicians will forgive damned near anything if they think it might make them a few extra dollars per month. So they go to great lengths and jump through all kinds of weird hurdles for any new law or act to find some improbable-but-not-impossible way that it might add a few hundredths of a percent to the GDP (and happily ignore any ways it could damage the economy, even if those effects are likely to be far greater. Cherry picking data is a staple in this game.)

    84. Re:Leading the way to a police state by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      They're immune to broken bones and cracked skulls?

      Empirical tests are required.

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    85. Re: Leading the way to a police state by guruevi · · Score: 1

      Nope, you're thinking certain EU states prior to the EU ruling on the matter. In the US everyone involved is liable hence the SWAT teams at grandmas.

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    86. Re:Leading the way to a police state by 91degrees · · Score: 1

      I'm not communicating this to the public. Nor am I intending to make a financial gain for myself or another person. Nor do I know or have reason to believe - at the time of downloading - that doing so would cause you the loss of the making available right, or expose you to a risk or loss.

      Essentially this is a set of amendments. Rather than this being "in the course of a business", it covers any act which will make a profit or knowingly affect the copyright owners rights or profits. But in the case of your post, any rights are essentially unchanged. The only difference is that the maximum penaltyfor infringement is 10 years rather than 2.

  2. From the office of pre- crime... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Comes ten years in the slammer for sharing a copy of are you being served. Wtf

  3. Fortunately.... by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 3, Funny

    Everyone on the Internet are law-abiding citizens. This shouldn't be a problem.

    1. Re:Fortunately.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ...and also fortunate that police officers are all fine upstanding citizens who would never abuse their newly granted power to cut off ex-partners' mobile phones as a form of harassment.

  4. In the Uk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Not in freedom loving America.

  5. Glad they won't be in the EU for much longer by TimothyHollins · · Score: 5, Funny

    Brexit seems more and more like a positive thing for each day that passes. By the time May is done Australia will be sending its delinquents over there instead.

    1. Re:Glad they won't be in the EU for much longer by Maritz · · Score: 3, Funny

      You mean like Rolf Harris?

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    2. Re:Glad they won't be in the EU for much longer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, I'm really desperate to find a way to get out of this hellhole of an island. I am constantly baffled by the ignorance and arrogance of some of my fellow Brits. Given that I'm a higher rate taxpayer I'm aware Brexit will probably be good for me personally in a financial way but I don't want to live in a country surrounded by suffering people.

    3. Re:Glad they won't be in the EU for much longer by silentcoder · · Score: 1

      Best get packing now then - while you can still emigrate to anywhere in the EU with ease.

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    4. Re:Glad they won't be in the EU for much longer by monkeyxpress · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Brexit seems more and more like a positive thing for each day that passes. By the time May is done Australia will be sending its delinquents over there instead.

      They probably will at this rate. As a NZer who's country has a free trade deal with Australia and China, I can attest to how little such agreements prevent you from being screwed over by the bigger country/better negotiator. Britain is going to get a nasty wake up call when it wonders off to the nations of the world to do deals and ends up tangled up in a mess of agreements that give them far less freedom than they get in the EU.

      Some examples: NZ has, for the last thirty years, been trying to get its apples in to Australia. It has a trade deal that should allow this, and it has gone to the WTO (that will apparently give Britain great default access to everywhere once it leaves the single market) repeatedly to try to prevent Australia halting the imports. It has not worked, because Australia keeps coming up with new reasons why the apples cannot be imported on trumped up biosecurity grounds. Good luck. In addition to this, NZ has been trying to break into the Australian aviation market for about the same amount of time. They finally managed it many years ago by buying out Ansett Australia, which was promptly grounded by the Australian Civil Aviation regulator a month later on the grounds of 'safety'. The result was that Air New Zealand had to be renationalised by the NZ government and withdrew from Australia with its tail between its legs. More recently, just months after a new agreement had been reached by the two governments on creating a pathway to citizenship for NZers currently stuck in an immigration no-mans land (due to continual erosion of the free movement provisions that were previously agreed) the Australian government announced new changes that put a whole new bunch of kiwis into a new no mans land. Basically they gave with one hand while pulling the rug with the other.

      With China things were not so bad, with the exception that the Chinese put a provision in the agreement that prevented NZ from discriminating against investors from there. This has hamstrung the NZ govts ability to prevent Chinese flooding their money into our tiny country, as it would have to renegotiate parts of the Australian agreement to do this.

      This is the sort of great stuff Britain has to look forward too. Already the stage is being set for them to be screwed by both NZ and Australia, which are attempting to position themselves as the UK's allies in their brave new word (even offering to send trade negotiators to help the UK), while lobbying the EU to replace existing UK meat and dairy imports with their own.

      If the UK expects to do trade with anyone, then it will quickly realise that doing trade deals always requires flogging off some sovereignty as well.

    5. Re:Glad they won't be in the EU for much longer by Malc · · Score: 2

      Yep, same thing for Canada. Just ask the lumber industry in BC how good job security was even after NAFTA and the WTO ruled in their favour. About the only way to make Brexiters realise how riduculous their position is is to rephrase this in terms of a relationship that they understand: what would they say if Ireland or Norway tried to make similar demands of the UK that the UK is making of the EU? And by the way, every county in the UK gets to have a vote on the final arrangement (per Wallonia throwing a spanner in the works of the EU-Canada deal).

    6. Re:Glad they won't be in the EU for much longer by Cederic · · Score: 1

      what would they say if Ireland or Norway tried to make similar demands of the UK that the UK is making of the EU

      If Ireland or Norway wants to have tariff-free trade with the UK, share intelligence information to prevent and respond to crime and security threats and share a trans-national football competition then my guess is that the UK will agree that this is a brilliant plan and we should probably make it happen.

    7. Re:Glad they won't be in the EU for much longer by thegarbz · · Score: 3, Interesting

      which was promptly grounded by the Australian Civil Aviation regulator a month later on the grounds of 'safety'

      Safety, sans quotes, and there was nothing prompt about it. Ansett's fleet had been deteriorating majorly under the American control of News Corp (that should have been the first clue). They started dropping off the preferred flyer list of many companies long before being bought out by Air New Zealand. This was a spectacular case of lack of due diligence and lack of forethought, buying a company it couldn't afford with an ancient fleet that had high running costs, and the grounding? Well they were told to show cause as to why they missed their legal inspection requirements, they prepared an accepted plan to inspect the plans and then were grounded when the first 4 inspected showed signs of cracking in the wings.

      I'm sorry you feel personally attacked by Australia that Ansett was grounded after the American portion was sold to New Zealand (like anyone here gave a crap). But really get a bit of a clue.

      More recently, just months after a new agreement had been reached by the two governments on creating a pathway to citizenship for NZers currently stuck in an immigration no-mans land (due to continual erosion of the free movement provisions that were previously agreed) the Australian government announced new changes that put a whole new bunch of kiwis into a new no mans land. Basically they gave with one hand while pulling the rug with the other.

      Except no new people are in no-mans-land. The people who were on SCVs now qualify for citizenship. The fact that the timeline for this has been extended slightly doesn't put you anymore in no mans land then you were before. But I suppose you would like it if nothing was done at all and you can permanently be excluded from citizenship?

      With China things were not so bad

      That just shows your bias towards what you think is bad vs what free trade actually accomplishes. By freely trading with a country that has lower standards than yourself you effectively sell your future to them. Profits, manufacturing, investment, everything starts heading to the other country. It's worth remembering why there's restrictions to trade in the first place.

      You say things aren't so bad with China and you compare it to a story of Apples, a botched acquisition of a struggling airline in one of the toughest times for the industry, and a general improvement in rights for NZers in Australia, holy shit do you have a surprise coming.

    8. Re:Glad they won't be in the EU for much longer by myowntrueself · · Score: 2

      Brexit seems more and more like a positive thing for each day that passes. By the time May is done Australia will be sending its delinquents over there instead.

      No one is happier that the English voted to leave the EU than the Europeans.

      The old Commonwealth countries are going to be highly bemused at the UK coming to them, cap in hand, for some sweet trade deals since, after the UK marginalised the commonwealth those guys have gone and made other trade deals with their (closer) neighbors. The English are about to get a nice lesson in their place in the modern world (and it isn't Empire).

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    9. Re:Glad they won't be in the EU for much longer by myowntrueself · · Score: 1

      The problem the English have is that they think they are still a colonial power.

      They, mostly, realise that places like NZ are no longer their vassals though and nowadays just see the Scots, Welsh and Irish as their colonies. Its really going to upset the English when the Scots and Irish decide to leave them to it and the English only have the Welsh to pick on. And that won't last.

      In the end the English will have what they always dreamed of; an independent England LOL. None of their neighbors will be sad to see them marginalised and poverty stricken.

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  6. Leave it to the UK by Notabadguy · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Leave it to the UK to treat the movie "Minority Report" as a template to governance.

    1. Re:Leave it to the UK by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      if the US had done it, you'd've posted "Leave it to the US to treat the movie "Minority Report" as a template to governance."

      if Tierra Del Fuego had done it, you'd've posted "Leave it to Tierra Del Fuego to treat the movie "Minority Report" as a template to governance."

      if Azeroth had done it, you'd've posted "Leave it to Azeroth to treat the movie "Minority Report" as a template to governance."

    2. Re:Leave it to the UK by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I used to be a precog but then I took an arrow in the knee.

    3. Re:Leave it to the UK by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, "Leave it to the UK," as in, "Please, nobody else." ;-)

    4. Re:Leave it to the UK by UncleRage · · Score: 1

      I read the last line as "If Azathoth..." and thought, well that would just be a template for madness.

      Wait, nevermind.

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  7. Laws are as written not as intended by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    FTA "However, the new law will most likely target individuals and groups making a business out of selling illegal content,"

    No, it will be used against average people if prosecutors find it in their interest. It simply becomes another tool in the toolbox. Just like terrorism laws. I am willing to bet that anti-terrorism laws are used far more often to elevate ordinary crimes (or even non-crimes) than they are used to prosecute genuine acts or threats of terrorism. I had a family member sit as a juror on a trial where a disgruntled employee making a drunken threatening phone call to a boss was charged with "Conveying a terrorist threat."

    1. Re:Laws are as written not as intended by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Precisely.

      "... most likely target individuals.... "

      Umm, no. If you, UK Government, WANTED to target individuals and groups making a business out of selling said service, you would have explicitly wrote that law that way, as to NOT capture individual citizens who aren't making a business off it. But alas, here we are where EVERYONE is potentially a criminal.

      Easier to control people that way, for fear of incarceration. Also, making sure the corporate entity gets there 'profit'. The Government getting it's paycheck is also, naturally a given. Need to fund the ability to prosecute you, after all...

    2. Re:Laws are as written not as intended by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      are you sure it wasn't 'terroristic' threat? That term has been around for long years before the US's Reichstag fire

    3. Re:Laws are as written not as intended by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Umm. That's been the law since long before the whole terrorism scare came about. I believe most occurrences of this crime historically were instances where a person taken into custody mouthed threats at the police officer. "I'll get you" sort of stuff.

    4. Re:Laws are as written not as intended by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's not the way criminal law works in Europe at least. I'm not sure about the UK or the US, but the using an analog and deviation from the letter of the law is forbidden in prosecution (I think the latter is something that is universal).
        That is, for an act to be a crime it has to be described in the law directly, plainly and to the word. If there is any confusion for a reasonable person, the accused probably didn't commit the crime as prosecuted or described in the law. The using of an analog is naturally the widening of the meaning of the text to be applied to a case not described in the law specifically.

  8. political dissidents by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    > However, the new law will most likely target individuals and groups making a business out of selling illegal content

    False. It will be used against people that have angered the government or any individual in the bureaucracy.

    1. Re:political dissidents by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Just like the cell phones of "criminal" protesters and reporters.

  9. Kill someone 3 yrs, watch Frozen 10 yrs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    So lets get this right, you watch something illegal and get 10 yrs. Kill someone and get 7 yrs and out in 3 yrs for good behaviour.

    1. Re:Kill someone 3 yrs, watch Frozen 10 yrs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A streamer can cost copyright holders a loss of 100s of thousands to millions by uploading copyrighted content. Don't you think such a person (pirate) deserves 10 years?

      I think it's a communist state if such crooks are allowed to go free and large companies don't have the right to make large sums of money.

    2. Re:Kill someone 3 yrs, watch Frozen 10 yrs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The issue at hand is not the streamer it's the dude sitting at home with a bowl of popcorn watching a movie. They aren't going after the streamer/server. It's those who have Kodi installed.

      This is like they are going after the guy who holds the gun not the gun manufacture.

      If they really wanted to stop someone from going postal and making swiss cheese out of people they should go after the gun manufactures. But they don't

      What I find funny is there is all this talk about android boxes and kodi... never hear about ROKU boxes which can and are streaming just as much content as well.

    3. Re:Kill someone 3 yrs, watch Frozen 10 yrs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The issue at hand is not the streamer it's the dude sitting at home with a bowl of popcorn watching a movie. They aren't going after the streamer/server. It's those who have Kodi installed.

      After RTFA, you're right, it's a ridiculous law -- similar to 10 years for stealing a movie/TV show DVD.

    4. Re: Kill someone 3 yrs, watch Frozen 10 yrs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ROKU boxes can't do this. Source: I've tried, no one is writing the apps. ROKU uses some oddball language, so unless someone writes a KODI implementation in said language, or more specifically the addons that allow streaming from these sources, ROKU users won't be streaming "illegal" content any time soon.

    5. Re:Kill someone 3 yrs, watch Frozen 10 yrs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You say "communist" as if that's somehow a bad thing.

      How about we lock up the CEOs and elect the pirates?

    6. Re:Kill someone 3 yrs, watch Frozen 10 yrs by fluffernutter · · Score: 1

      Actually that seems more like a civil case to me. Shouldn't even been criminal.

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    7. Re:Kill someone 3 yrs, watch Frozen 10 yrs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In Britain, you could be sitting 25 to 40 years for murder. It's such a savage place that way.

  10. Such BS... by PortHaven · · Score: 2

    Here I have a bunch of digital films. These are films I have bought the digital rights to. I have a phone and a mini-projector. Apparently, I am no longer allowed to stream content from phone to external device. Excuse me?

    WTF???

    So at this point, I am nearly ready to capitulate and start just pirating movies as it's so much !@#$% easier than dealing with the legitimate channels.

    1. Re:Such BS... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I did that years ago. I haven't given a penny to the MAFIAA in over 20 years now.

      I have multi-terabyte disk sets that are full of movies and TV shows. I have all the digital rights I need, they play just fine, and they were all free.

      Stop paying the scumbags. It's the right thing to do.

      And always remember, copying is not theft.

    2. Re:Such BS... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you go with that phone and projector to a public area or an oil-rig, for example, the copyright enforcers will point out the terms at the beginning of the movie DVD and punish you accordingly by disabling all cell phones in the cell. For the ponies! They do include the same copyright warnings to the digital films in these days?

  11. Re:Meanwhile.... by Maritz · · Score: 1

    This article isn't about bitcoin. At all.

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  12. Streaming youtube can get you arrested? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Does this mean that streaming video (that is there illegally) from youtube could land you in jail?
    Would this make Google an accessory to that crime for facilitating it?

  13. Nice summary! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Nice summary! (Not!) Doesn't even mention the UK until the third paragraph.

  14. Quid Pro Quo for Rupert Murdoch by Martin+S. · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Rupert Murdoch has been propping up a lame Government with his Satellite channel Sky (thing Faux News) and the Sun (think national enquirer). This anti-competitive law is his reward.

    1. Re:Quid Pro Quo for Rupert Murdoch by Aighearach · · Score: 1

      The National Enquirer is one of the few news magazines still doing traditional investigative reporting.

      They've been legit ever since Bat Boy left for the Weekly World News in 1982!

      Who ended Gary Hart's political career? The National Enquirer. They also took down John Edwards. Who attempted to out Bill Cosby as a serial abuser in 2005? The National Enquirer. Who paid for the tip that solved the murder of Bill Cosby's son, Ennis in 1997? The National Enquirer. They even spent 18 months investigating Charlie Sheen's health before outing his as HIV-positive. They even reported Steve Jobs having cancer long before anybody else.

      Isn't this all important news?!?!? What about Rush Limbaugh's drug addiction, was that real news? Mel Gibson's divorce? Tiger Woods' wife didn't know he was cheating until The National Enquirer reported it. Ouch.

  15. USA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Private, for profit prisons.

    1. Re:USA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In the South.

  16. Streams are not the problem by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I myself have been known to use stream. I however am not a freetard, I pay for my content, BT sport, Sky Sports, Netflx, spotify you name it I have and pay for those services.

    So why do I stream, some content. Because inspite paying for every legal and legitamate service going sometimes the content I want to watch simple is not available via any other method. My son is a big Manchester city fan, he wanted to watch a recent match but it was not telivised on any UK service. But if you lived abroad you could get it. Streams to the rescue and he was able to watch the match.This is true of a lot of people I know as there are many matches that you simply can not watch via any other method.

    The premier leage only allows just under half of matches to be telivised live, got a 3pm saturday match (A very commonly used slot)? well that wont be shown anywhere in the UK.

    Make them available on a legal method (prefferably using one of the ones im already paying for) and I wont need to use the streams, this stops more people becoming exposed to them and using them for other thngs (movies / tv that they coould get legally). You wont ever totally kill it off but stop pushing joe average into the world of streaming because he has no other choice.

  17. Tie me kangaroo down, sport! by mpercy · · Score: 1

    For some reason my father had a Rolf Harris album and he played the hell out of it when I was a kid. I had a moment later in life when I saw some mention of "the wet" on some nature show, and flashed back to the song "In The Wet" and realize I had not known what it was about when I was a dumb kid.

    1. Re:Tie me kangaroo down, sport! by Maritz · · Score: 1

      Eeew. Apparently he's working on a new album, so there's that...

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  18. Ascent of Fascism in 21st Century Britian by Martin+S. · · Score: 2

    This article outlines what fascism is, how it is growing in the 21st Century United Kingdom, how it has nothing to offer working people and how we can combat it.

    https://libcom.org/thought/fas...

    1. Re:Ascent of Fascism in 21st Century Britian by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This has to be the outright worst "outline" of what fascism is.

      If a published summary of fascism doesn't include Maurras, Sorel, or anything about Corradini...then you happened to sleep through the first 5 chapters of the novel.

      Fascism didn't start in a vacuum when Mussolini came home disgruntled from WW1.

      There's decades of history from the late 1880s forward that set the stage for a strained fight against materialism, decadence, bourgeois society obsessed with wielding democratic power negatively, under the guise of "we're doing it for the people."

      Interestingly ironic how closely this mirrors modern socio-political climates. You know what the say about history - if you don't learn from it, you're bound to repeat it.

  19. They don't realize something... by SCVonSteroids · · Score: 1

    If they start making watching media content a dangerous and hostile environment where you're not sure if what you're watching is illegal or not, people are just going to move away from said media and find some other form of entertainment.

    They're literally just shooting themselves in the foot with these laws.

    Hey what do I know though, right?

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    1. Re:They don't realize something... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If they start making watching media content a dangerous and hostile environment where you're not sure if what you're watching is illegal or not, people are just going to move away from said media and find some other form of entertainment.

      It's going to be easy. If you're paying for it, it's legal. Money makes laws; if someone isn't making bank, it's all equally bad.

    2. Re:They don't realize something... by SCVonSteroids · · Score: 1

      While I don't disagree, the problem with that model is that the prices always end up inflating to an unfair amount, and the cycle simply repeats itself.
      It's kind of like this https://www.youtube.com/watch?... [Please Sing-a-long]

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  20. Laws soon to Be Abused by Zurkeyon3733 · · Score: 1

    In a district near you!

  21. Re:Leading the way to a police state: Trump will h by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    Wow, it only took 17 minutes before someone could find a way to whine about Trump. In an article about streaming movies in the UK.

  22. Good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Let's shit on nerds.

  23. Why do you think this would change anything? by Opportunist · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Ask yourself: 2 years of prison. Imagine this, just for a moment.

    Now imagine 10 years of prison.

    Now answer me one question: Do 10 years of prison really scare you more than 2 years? Does it? If so, you probably already know what prison is like and only worry about losing more time of your life. For everyone how hasn't, probably the threat of spending a DAY with hardened criminals is already scary enough to make them ponder.

    Does anyone honestly think that the average copyright infringer's train of thought goes "For 2 years I'll watch that show, but for 10, hell no!"?

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    1. Re:Why do you think this would change anything? by wbr1 · · Score: 1

      I did 10.5 years in prison. Do I scare you? I should. Now let me go watch GoT.

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    2. Re:Why do you think this would change anything? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They get you for jaywalking?

    3. Re:Why do you think this would change anything? by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      No. Why should you?

      I usually expect people to have a reason to break the law. As far as I know, I have not given you a reason to break the law to my disadvantage. What I am scared of is being sent to prison myself. For various reasons. One of them being that there is a nonzero chance that I'll meet someone in there that is in there because of me.

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  24. The legal system of Airstrip One by Applehu+Akbar · · Score: 2

    Gen years for downloading g a file? That's a lot more than burglars in the U.K. get, though not as much as a homeowner who injures a burglar by resisting.

    1. Re:The legal system of Airstrip One by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Meanwhile, over here in (some parts of) 'Murica, it's legal to shoot a burglar in the back while he flees.

      http://www.moga.mo.gov/mostatutes/stathtml/56300000311.HTML - see 563.031.1.(3) for "fleeing", and "forcible felony"
      http://www.moga.mo.gov/mostatutes/stathtml/56300000111.html - see 563.011.(3) for "forcible felony" definition
      http://www.moga.mo.gov/mostatutes/stathtml/56900001601.HTML - burglary defined, specifically see 569.160.1.(3), where another person in the structure is not a participant in the crime of burglary.

      So if you're home and someone breaks in and sees that you're home and flees and you shoot them while they flee, you can legally justify doing that even if you kill that person.

      I'm not saying it's a better situation than the UK's gunless culture, but at least the burglars don't get sympathy for being burglars.

    2. Re:The legal system of Airstrip One by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You mean "homeowners" can see a vagrant in the adjacent property they own, return home get and load a rifle, return to the second adjacent property and shoot an unarmed man for taking a shower?

      There is no argument for defense as there was time enough to leave, get the gun, plan to kill, return to the site, and then kill him. Alternative: leave, call police, leave premises until police arrive.

    3. Re:The legal system of Airstrip One by SCVonSteroids · · Score: 1

      The whole point is to protect criminals. Who do you think the people lobbying for these laws are?

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    4. Re:The legal system of Airstrip One by Applehu+Akbar · · Score: 2

      The American ability to shoot back also inhibits recidivism. The British online press is full of home invasion stories that often involve torture for the hell of it, and invariably by criminals with a long record of predation.

    5. Re:The legal system of Airstrip One by dave420 · · Score: 2

      So much bullshit. Sooo much bullshit.

    6. Re:The legal system of Airstrip One by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      [Citation needed]

      And I mean for both claims, as I'm sure neither is true.

    7. Re:The legal system of Airstrip One by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually, "property" has been upheld by the Missouri supreme court to mean "anywhere you have a right to be". It's just hard to define a property line for your personal surroundings in public.

      Everyone thinks Texas is the crazy-ass US state. Nobody pays much attention to Missouri... at their own peril.

      This is our current governor's campaign ad. He won by a safe margin.

    8. Re:The legal system of Airstrip One by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The difference is that the burglar is stealing from an individual. The streamer is 'stealing' from a media conglomerate.

    9. Re:The legal system of Airstrip One by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Like the laws in Chicago protecting the mob and crooked cops. SSDD

    10. Re:The legal system of Airstrip One by Applehu+Akbar · · Score: 1

      Like the laws in Chicago protecting the mob and crooked cops. SSDD

      Yes, when we're not poking fun at European legal weirdness, Illinois is our preferred alternate target.

    11. Re:The legal system of Airstrip One by mjwx · · Score: 1

      So much bullshit. Sooo much bullshit.

      Your post is out of place, it belongs on the GP's post. He's the one posting bullshit.

      Contrary to what the Daily Mail says, no-one goes to prison for actual self defence here in the UK. Plenty go to court because the court decides if it was an actual case of self-defence. Self defence in the UK is an all or nothing thing. You either walk, or you get nicked. Almost all cases walk unless there was foul play involved, if that is so, it's not self defence. To convince a court of self defence, all you need to do is demonstrate you felt that your persons or property were in danger. This includes acts where you struck first. Further more, you only have to demonstrate this to the judges satisfaction, not beyond reasonable doubt.

      However, in the US, more people are shot by their own guns or by attackers than manage to successfully defend their own home with violence because the criminals are as well armed as the defenders... and they get the jump on you.

      I like living in the UK with our cowardly, unarmed crooks. I like knowing that the worst thing he'll be armed with is a kitchen knife and if I were to hit him with the golf bat I have, I wont have a problem with the courts because what is the criminal going to say "I came at him with a knife and he hit me"?

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    12. Re:The legal system of Airstrip One by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Maybe google is in on it with the Daily Mail

      https://www.google.com/search?...

  25. Interesting Priorities by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    So you're guaranteed more prison time for watching a movie without paying whichever member of nobility seeks rent for that privilege than you are if you rape and murder a small child. Why we aren't rounding up these politicians and the lobbyists who write these laws and placing them in prison (or worse), I have no idea. We live in a truly fucked society.

  26. "fair share" types would give this gov more power by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    All you "pay your fair share" types who want to raise taxes?

    You want to give this type of government even more money and power.

    How about thinking instead?

  27. Sounds like a desperate action of a scared person by CustomSolvers2 · · Score: 1

    "I swear that the consequences will be horrible!! Never even think about doing that!". I said it before and say it again: piracy is clearly winning. At least, this is what the big corporations think by expecting their greedy and detached from reality gains to be maintained no matter what. They are being so short-sighted that seriously believe that forcing consumers to do what they want is an option, that they are actually in charge!!

    And how are they expecting all the viewers to know if they are actually doing what the authors want? Shall I do a deep research about a given film, the distributing companies, its author, review all the associated legal documentation, etc. before starting watching it? And what about if I make an error or get fouled by a dark-hearted projectionist and involuntarily watch an illegal movie? And what about if a given site is doing everything legally in appearance form, but they are actually pirating? And what about if various parties claim that they are doing the right thing? How can I, as a user, care about all this and be eventually responsible for it?

    Or even better, how are they expecting to apply such a nonsense? According to some surveys, around half of the population is regularly enjoying pirated multimedia content, are they planning to put half of (UK's) population in jail for 10 years? Wouldn't that provoke a much higher expense (for big companies/capital and for everyone)? Just having one person in jail or even just going through the judicial process might imply serious expenses not just for that person, but also for the local/regional/national government. So, that person isn't paying £5 for a movie and, to compensate it, you provoke an additional £100 and this person (+ other persons not liking all this) doing all what is in their hands to never pay again. Yes, this seems a perfectly logical, realistic and sensible proceeding. I am now so afraid of what might happen that will stop consuming any kind of audiovisual material, just in case. LOL.

    DISCLAIMER: I am not defending piracy, but common sense, honesty and fairness. I am also showing the only logical-to-me behaviour against mobster-wannabes trying to scare people as a way to allow their unreasonable expectations to prevail: making fun of their ridiculous nonsense.

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  28. looking to beat the US in terms of imprisonment by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The US leads the first and second world in percent of its population in prison. The vast majority are for drug-related offenses, and the longer sentences don't impact recidivism, and might actually drive it. Seriously, the US beats North Korea in this.

    Now the UK seems to want to grab that shitty prize, and "lead" the developed world. The law is not going to reduce rates. It is not going to return value to citizens, but every government is always in debt to its corporate masters, and this serves the agendas of the oligopolies.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_incarceration_rate
    https://static.prisonpolicy.org/scans/IncarcRecid.pdf

  29. UK by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Fucking wankers. Lets buy politicians by the bucket, shall ya?
    Dog shave the Queen...

  30. Burn out their eyes! by santax · · Score: 3, Insightful

    That will teach them to not become pirates or witches! When they have no eyes, they can not watch our Holy Movies without a ticket! On topic: for the last 20 to 15 years for the first time in history we are witnessing a deterioration of the human state and human states. Fought for freedoms have been lost and while media has become much faster and could be much more powerful, we see that a lot of media is actually knowingly or unknowingly part of a propaganda-machinery and most of them are no more than vehicles to deliver commercials to the viewer. These are harsh times. A modern black age.

    1. Re:Burn out their eyes! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      When they have no eyes, they can not watch our Holy Movies without a ticket!

      002233: "Fuck, I forgot to pay the sight bill again.....Someone tell me what this says!"

      0021546: "Fuck, I forgot to pay the hearing bill again.....Someone mime to me what he said!"

      Corporate Overlords: "Hmm.... They are getting out of paying us by using the parts of themselves that haven't been disabled...." "Got it! Let's impose a world interaction fee." "What should it do master?" "Simple, *snaps fingers*" *Total darkness, silence, numbness, and emptyness for hours on end.* "How long are you going to leave that PoS here?" "Until I have the proof that doing this complete isolation of their cyberbrains will drive them insane."

  31. supporting the industry by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Why people continue to give money and support these industries is beyond me.

    1. Re:supporting the industry by tepples · · Score: 1

      It's hard to buy food without doing so. Grocery stores in my area play proprietary music over the speaker system when an announcement isn't going out, and a fraction of the price of groceries goes toward the royalties for that privilege.

  32. Curious... by Greyfox · · Score: 1

    What would you get for shoplifting the same movie? Of course, you'd still get that nasty DRM on the disc and would have to jump through hoops to play it on a Windows 10 or OSX machine, so maybe you should shoplift a DVD player while you're there.

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    I'm trying to teach myself to set people on fire with my mind... Is it hot in here?

  33. MURICA FUCK YEAH by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Lol who gives a flying fuck about the UK, anybody who still lives there is retarded as fuck.

    1. Re:MURICA FUCK YEAH by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You misspelled US. Not that it matters.

  34. "Most likely" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "However, the new law will most likely target individuals and groups making a business out of selling illegal content"

    Most likely is not a hard legal limit, if that was the intention they should have defined it as such in the law's script

  35. Sending, not receiving by Geoffrey.landis · · Score: 1

    ...TWO: Watching a copyrighted work on a stream without paying gets you ten years in prison.

    No. The people sending the streaming are liable. This particular law doesn't cover people receiving a stream.

    The Independent article is little ambiguous. Check out the techradar article http://www.techradar.com/news/... :

    "Individual end-users of Kodi boxes are unlikely to be affected by the Digital Economy Act as streaming is not covered by the act. Instead individuals and businesses who sell the full-loaded boxes are the main targets. "

    The law itself only talks about the people doing the streaming (in the phrasing of the law, "infringes copyright in a work by communicating the work to the public, if the person knows or has reason to believe that infringing copyright in the work.") However-- and this may be the key point-- the European Court of Justice has ruled that this includes selling the multimedia players which have pre-installed links to pirate websites.

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    1. Re:Sending, not receiving by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      No. The people sending the streaming are liable. This particular law doesn't cover people receiving a stream.

      Actually, it does.

  36. Sorry, but that's a bit naive by Weaselmancer · · Score: 5, Insightful

    There is nuance, the maximum prison term has increased but it doesn't mean you will get 10 years for watching your favorite TV series on a illegal streaming website. Judges are not complete morons, and when minor copyright cases go to judgment, the sentence typically ends up being a reasonable fine.

    I believe the point isn't what should happen with these laws, it's what can.

    Here in the US we have the DMCA, which was intended to keep people from copying movies. And is now currently being used by John Deere to keep anyone other than John Deere from fixing tractors.

    You have to consider when you make a legal ruling that is broad exactly how it might be abused. If it is possible to get 10 years for watching TV illegally, you know that someone will get 10 years for it eventually. Judges are like any other group of people. Gather a few dozen together and it's a safe bet at least one will be an asshole.

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    rediculous.
    1. Re:Sorry, but that's a bit naive by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      It may or may not be a thing in the UK (I really don't know), but in the US having lots of laws with ridiculous maximum punishments for minor offenses has become an established way to ensure that anyone a prosecutor decides he or she doesn't like can be forced to plea-bargain into a criminal conviction. Often the people prosecutors don't like are people who have committed real crimes that can't be pinned on them, but it could also be someone the prosecutor truly believes committed a crime, but didn't. And with that kind of power, it certainly starts getting tempting to use it against your political enemies, or your ex-wife's new boyfriend, or to get your conviction rate up so you look better, etc.

      Nabbing Al Capone for tax evasion was a good way to get a dangerous criminal out of power, but it set a terrible precedent.

    2. Re:Sorry, but that's a bit naive by Aighearach · · Score: 2

      The situation with John Deere is exactly what the DMCA was supposed to do.

      Just because you only paid attention to the part about filesharing doesn't mean anything.

      Protecting proprietary commercial services from trespass was exactly the point of the parts of it that John Deere makes use of.

      IMO it is a good thing because it prevents them from mixing their proprietary crap with the open stuff that I use. They stay on their side, I stay on my side. No embracing, no extending, no problems. If the customer does even a tiny bit of research they'll learn that they can't use a regular mechanic if they buy that brand, and they'll either be happy about that, or not. And they'll buy it, or not.

    3. Re:Sorry, but that's a bit naive by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Just because you only paid attention to the part about filesharing doesn't mean anything.

      Just like the founding fathers were obviously talking about nuclear arms when voting on the 2nd Amendment. No, the fact is that the use of copyrighted code in tractors was not on the radar at the time. Now, there's certainly some lobbyists who had that intention--but that's not what the DMCA was sold as and I doubt most Congressmen voted with that in mind. Just like how the fact that (1) Obamacare allowed but did not mandate for Federal Medicaid expansion* or (2) Trumpcare allows for but does not mandate abandoning the essential benefits requirements* were and are going to pass.

      * Because they'd have to be "crazy" to push against their own best interests, so "obviously" wouldn't do so. Yet the language was there because of the deliberate desire to do just that. So, yes, a few people in Congress voted for the DMCA probably under the same mindset about [ab]using it for tractors and the like. That's perhaps 4% of the vote, though and with the DMCA a pretty warped interpretation. Then again, the DMCA is a lot less about controlling copying and a lot more abut controlling use. Which I guess follows the pattern of the bill name not matching the content in the US Congress.

    4. Re:Sorry, but that's a bit naive by BlueStrat · · Score: 2

      You have to consider when you make a legal ruling that is broad exactly how it might be abused. If it is possible to get 10 years for watching TV illegally, you know that someone will get 10 years for it eventually. Judges are like any other group of people. Gather a few dozen together and it's a safe bet at least one will be an asshole.

      I'll just leave this here.

      "Did you really think we want those laws observed?" said Dr. Ferris. "We want them to be broken. You'd better get it straight that it's not a bunch of boy scouts you're up against... We're after power and we mean it... There's no way to rule innocent men. The only power any government has is the power to crack down on criminals. Well, when there aren't enough criminals one makes them. One declares so many things to be a crime that it becomes impossible for men to live without breaking laws. Who wants a nation of law-abiding citizens? What's there in that for anyone? But just pass the kind of laws that can neither be observed nor enforced or objectively interpreted - and you create a nation of law-breakers - and then you cash in on guilt. Now that's the system, Mr. Reardon, that's the game, and once you understand it, you'll be much easier to deal with." - Atlas Shrugged - Ayn Rand

      Strat

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    5. Re:Sorry, but that's a bit naive by Altrag · · Score: 1

      And they'll buy it, or not.

      Except this isn't just a hobby. These peoples' livelihoods depend on not only having those tractors, but having them up and operational when they're needed. Not 3 weeks later when a JD rep gets out to their farm. Not 3 days later when an authorized mechanic can find the time. Sometimes not even 3 hours later when the guy from a couple miles away gets off his own field and has time to help.

      They have to have these machines to have any hope of competing in the modern world. And it doesn't help to buy a different brand of tractor because they all do the same thing. And why wouldn't they.. its essentially free profit for their service depots. The fact that it puts a bunch of small farms out of business doesn't really matter to them -- hell they might even appreciate it since those small farms will likely be bought up by big farms that don't really give a crap about a few hundred dollars here and there for a service call and if they're worried about their tractor being offline for 3 weeks they can afford to just buy a backup = even more profit for JD & friends.

    6. Re:Sorry, but that's a bit naive by Altrag · · Score: 1

      Predicated on pessimistic bullshit. Even if all crime magically disappeared, the government would still be needed to enforce national security on the outward side, maintain infrastructure, settle (non-criminal) disputes, deal with natural disasters, and so on.

      While I don't deny that making everyone a criminal provides the government a certain amount of power over them, I certainly question the necessity of doing so. I tend to prefer Hanlon's razor in situations like this -- "Don't assume bad intentions over neglect and misunderstanding."

      I mean I'm sure some of our elected officials are truly working against the people for reasons of their own, but mostly I would guess that they're just busy (not necessarily productively busy..) and uncaring and will sign in anything that sounds good in an elevator pitch without bothering to consider the negative consequences.

    7. Re:Sorry, but that's a bit naive by BlueStrat · · Score: 1

      Predicated on pessimistic bullshit.

      Wrong. It's 'predicated' on human nature based on 5,000 years of human history. Those who seek power almost without exception (George Washington and Jesus Christ are the only two notable exceptions from history that spring to my mind) never stop trying to gain even more and will often go to insane lengths to obtain it.

      I tend to prefer Hanlon's razor in situations like this -- "Don't assume bad intentions over neglect and misunderstanding."

      Sorry, but Hanlon's fine instrument fails when it comes to power and politics. In fact, Hanlon could just about be turned on it's head when it comes to politicians and governments; "*Always assume, barring evidence to the contrary, bad intentions over neglect and misunderstanding."

      Three, four, or more decades ago, I and others might have been willing to accept incompetence, ignorance, laziness, and apathy by those in power for the violations of civil rights including privacy and all the rest. Not today. Thanks to the internet, we are much better informed now. We've gotten enough candid glimpses into the sordid corruption, deliberate criminality, lies, violations of oaths of office, and abuses of power, as well as the intentional and ongoing violations of basic civil rights in the US government and the equally corrupt and self-serving political parties and complicit mainstream media and education system, that we know damned well they're 'pissing down our backs and telling us it's raining', to mangle a quote from the movie "The Outlaw Jose Wales".

      "Oops, our bad" doesn't cut it.

      Strat

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    8. Re:Sorry, but that's a bit naive by Aighearach · · Score: 1

      No, nobody's livelihood depends on buying a BrandyBrandy(TM) tractor. A farmer who needs a tractor, just needs a freakin' tractor. The Rain God doesn't punish them for buying a Honda.

      If they're willing to sign themselves into a service contract, they darn well better have thought about it or else they shouldn't be doing that. Just like, they shouldn't take out a loan without carefully considering the pros and cons.

      If they understand it isn't a hobby, they should take that sort of decision seriously and not sign their life away willy-nilly. And if the moron buys a BrandyBrand(TM) and signs the contract, and then gets screwed on the servicing, and their response is to buy another fucking one, then they deserve everything they get. But a fucking Honda as a backup, duh.

    9. Re: Sorry, but that's a bit naive by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, it's more like the DMCA made it legal to require rape with any tractor purchase and all vendors really want to screw you. You can't buy a tractor without the rape clause.

    10. Re:Sorry, but that's a bit naive by KozmoStevnNaut · · Score: 1

      Those who seek power almost without exception (George Washington and Jesus Christ are the only two notable exceptions from history that spring to my mind) never stop trying to gain even more and will often go to insane lengths to obtain it.

      Ah yes, good old George "Slave Teeth Dentures" Washington, AKA George "I Only Freed My Slaves In My Will Because I Was Done Using Them" Washington.

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    11. Re:Sorry, but that's a bit naive by BlueStrat · · Score: 1

      Ah yes, good old George "Slave Teeth Dentures" Washington, AKA George "I Only Freed My Slaves In My Will Because I Was Done Using Them" Washington.

      Not sure if revisionist or just plain fantasy.

      GW and the rest weren't even close to being born when slavery was legally established. that was done by King George's courts btw, as 1776 was almost a century in the future. It was illegal to free slaves and would have gotten them hanged. Thomas Jefferson inherited his slaves from his in-laws when they died, he never bought a single slave. TJ also never sold a slave, as that would have broken up long-established families among the slaves, as they'd been together for decades, many for all their lives.

      I'll bet you're also unaware that it was a black man, James Anthony, who was the first legally-recognized slave owner by the King's court which was the justice system of the day, and also was the one that fought a lengthy legal battle to make the laws recognize slave owners "rights and protections" regarding their "legal property" under the law. Many of the slaves Anthony acquired were Irish, as they were cheaper than African slaves.

      Meh, I sometimes wonder why I even bother. You probably even believe that the "3/5ths Compromise" favored slavery and unfairly disadvantaged blacks. Go learn some real history. There's the 'net and thousands of letters and other documents written by the Founders can be viewed, including how they worked to put in a mechanism to eventually bring an end to slavery.

      Go read some real history straight from original documents, and that isn't from some relatively-modern revisionist book, Progressive/Leftist blog, or university professor's papers

      Strat

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    12. Re:Sorry, but that's a bit naive by BlueStrat · · Score: 1

      James Anthony

      **Anthony Johnson**

      Gah! That'll 'learn me' to hit 'submit' before finishing the first cup of coffee!

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    13. Re:Sorry, but that's a bit naive by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A farmer needs a tractor with good rural sales and support coverage. Nobody beats JD in that.

      These tractors are not for gardens, they're 250,000 dollar beasts. You don't get to buy "a backup one".

      You clearly don't live anywhere close to a farmer

  37. This affects far more than kodi by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Anyone who broadcasts video game streams is affected (they don't have licenses to the game they're streaming).

  38. Interesting.... by Lumpy · · Score: 1

    So it's now that when the cops arrive at your door, killing the officers and running is a better option.

    Lawmakers today are the enemy of the people and need to be treated as such.

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  39. 10 let bez prava perepiski. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm not sure if anyone has pointed this out in comments above. This is not about actually punishing the copyright infringement. Me thinks that the actual purpose of the law is to be able to jail regime critics. Since practically everyone is guilty of this victimless non-crime, and evidence (logs, illegally "legally" intercepted data, etc) can be easily manufactured in bulk by scripts, heh.

    It kinda looks like a convenient way to be able to disappear anyone who displeases the people with connections?

    1. Re:10 let bez prava perepiski. by BlueStrat · · Score: 1

      It kinda looks like another convenient way to be able to disappear anyone who displeases the people with connections?

      FTFY

      It's not like there aren't a plethora of similarly-broad laws ripe for abuse in both the UK and the US that are already used against people the state finds "inconvenient", who actively oppose their agendas, and/or who embarrass or anger those in power.

      Strat

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  40. Please start all yro post with country of origin! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2

    Hey, editors: Comments on news laws are meaningless with a description of where they apply.

  41. just another bad law on the books by v1 · · Score: 1

    However, the new law will most likely target individuals and groups making a business out of selling illegal content,

    IE we are yet again going to pass an overly-broad law and place "correct interpretation of what we REALLY meant" in the hands of people whose jobs is NOT to guess as to the intent of the law.

    Just peachy. I really wish they would stop doing that. (and we know how effective wishes are!)

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    1. Re:just another bad law on the books by Aighearach · · Score: 1

      No, they're not actually going to use sloppy, overly-broad, incorrect phrasing chosen by The Independent as a legal document. They'll use stuff written by lawyers and politicians, perhaps even the text of the statute.

  42. Terrorism by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Could the lawmaker be charged with spreading terrorism?

  43. Editors?! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It would be nice if one didn't have to read to the end of the summary to find out that this applies to the UK. Though I'm a bit surprised it is in there at all.

  44. In Soviet America... by loufoque · · Score: 1

    ... films consume YOU!

  45. Re:Please start all yro post with country of origi by loufoque · · Score: 1

    Now I wonder, which countrymen would be so navel-gazing that they wouldn't specify their country because they believe everything of importance is about them?

  46. Fits the crime by OrangeTide · · Score: 1

    Punching someone in the face is less antisocial than movie piracy. I can't believe we're not hanging these black-hearted pirates that corrupt our children and steal profits away from movie studios and distributors.

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  47. Re:Please start all yro post with country of origi by OrangeTide · · Score: 1

    France? Quebec? England (but not including the U.K.)? Texas (but not including most of the U.S.)?

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  48. Re:Please start all yro post with country of origi by loufoque · · Score: 1

    I was obviously referring to Americans.

  49. Plea deals should be unconstitutional by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Only the PotUS and the Gov of your state are allowed to grant pardons and commutations, which in a lot of cases is what a plea deal is. The DA over-charges so that the person will plead down. Isn't that person being pardoned for the original charge?

    The way it is supposed to work is a Grand Jury hears the evidence and then recommends whether to make a charge. At that point, the DA should have to try the person for that charge, not play Monte Hall.

    And yes, it does sound like a police state.

  50. Don't worry! Carmen Ortiz to the rescue! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Because after all, I am Carmen Ortiz and stealing is stealing.......except when I turn a blind eye to when cops and the gubment do it. Oh and my buddies.

  51. Re:Please start all yro post with country of origi by OrangeTide · · Score: 1

    Be more explicit next time, there are Americans here.

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  52. How much did media comanies pay by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    politicians for that.
    People will have to pool their income to give payola to politicians to stop laws lie this.