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Call Center Operator and His Cousin Steal $645,000 From UK Water Supplier (bleepingcomputer.com)

An anonymous reader writes: "An unnamed UK-based regional water supply company lost over $645,000 in a sophisticated scam that involved social engineering, an inside man, and international bank transfers," reports BleepingComputer. According to a recently disclosed report, one of the water supplier's call center operators was taking screenshots of customer details and sending this data to his cousin in the UK. This person would trick other call center operators to reset the passwords for those accounts, add his bank account info to the account, and request a refund for previous transactions. Their operation was discovered after customers, usually small-to-medium businesses, discovered they couldn't access their accounts anymore, and also reported new bank account details. A search of the CRM logs revealed that only one call center operator had accessed those profiles, albeit he never initiated or approved refunds. When questioned, the arrogant employee signed an affidavit allowing investigators to search his home PC, thinking they would never discover anything, since he already wiped his hard drive. They did because he forgot to delete his shadow volume copies, where investigators discovered copies of emails sent to his cousin in the UK. These emails contained the screenshots of his work PC with SMB client data. In the end, the call center employee ended up helping authorities secure a conviction for his cousin.

97 comments

  1. Fucking turncoat! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Never do a job you can't do by yourself and have to do more than once.

    1. Re: Fucking turncoat! by 0xdeaddead · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I worked right besides a fraud department for a major credit card company.. it never ceases to amaze me how ingenious the scammers we're, how the first few times were completely missed by all the fraud detection, and how every single one just kept on doing the same thing over and over thinking if it works once or twice, it'll surely work 200 times...

    2. Re: Fucking turncoat! by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 5, Insightful

      how every single one just kept on doing the same thing over and over thinking if it works once or twice, it'll surely work 200 times...

      That is selection bias. You only know about those dumb enough to get caught.

    3. Re: Fucking turncoat! by wasteoid · · Score: 1

      Those uningenious scammers weren't so clever after all.

    4. Re: Fucking turncoat! by hcs_$reboot · · Score: 2

      The problem is all the other "clever" ones we will never hear about, and who will never be caught.

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    5. Re: Fucking turncoat! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Funny how we rarely hear about companies making police reports over this scale of theft, and how the shareholders don't seem to care about it and don't try to hold the C*O's responsible.

      (If it happens as often as you imply, then we'd definitely know about it.)

    6. Re: Fucking turncoat! by houghi · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Many years ago I talked with somebody who did control at a large supermarket in Europe. She told me that the way they cought people stealing from the till was because they always took the same amount.
      Sure it can happen that you have a short in your till, but if it is always the same amount, they will become suspicious and it will gets you fired.
      If you take a 20 bill each day, it will soon be clear you did so.

      One person did it the smart way and was fired because he told cow orkers:
      Taking different amounts each time and even sometimes had too much in the till, although obviously more in his favor than in his disadvantage. Also he never took one bill as most would do, but also took some coins. This person was looked up as sloppy, not dishonest.

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    7. Re: Fucking turncoat! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That is selection bias. You only know about those dumb enough to get caught.

      Wrong.
      We know it if someone has an ongoing successful scam - success only means he hides well enough to not be found. The money is still missing - which is why we know something is wrong even if we fail to figure out where the money went in the end.

    8. Re: Fucking turncoat! by networkBoy · · Score: 1

      search his home PC, thinking they would never discover anything, since he already wiped his hard drive. They did because he forgot to delete his shadow volume copies,

      This one was not too bright....

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    9. Re: Fucking turncoat! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, funny that they wouldn't want their customers and shareholders to know.

  2. Today on the family channel: by roc97007 · · Score: 4, Funny

    Today on the family channel, the heartwarming story of a call center operator who engineers a complicated scam and then rats out the relative who helped him. Brought to you by your friends at Hallmark. Don't forget mother's day!

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    1. Re:Today on the family channel: by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 4, Funny

      How could his cousin possibly know that a lying scamming thief would also be dishonest?

    2. Re: Today on the family channel: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wait a second, something isn't right about your story...the Familyâ Channel name was replaced with Freeform last year!

      This must be a scam!

    3. Re: Today on the family channel: by roc97007 · · Score: 1

      What, seriously? Well crap you got me. My secret is out. I haven't watched regular TV in years.

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    4. Re: Today on the family channel: by I'm+New+Around+Here · · Score: 3, Funny

      Why? Did "Family Channel" not imply enough gayness?

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  3. Where? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Let me guess... call center... corruption... India?

    1. Re:Where? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      From the article:
      "the law firm investigating the data breach then decided to research how the accounts were managed internally. This led investigators to a call center in Mumbai, India, where the water supply company had outsourced its customer support operations."

    2. Re:Where? by Hognoxious · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      There was no mention of the call centre's location in TFS, though. Because social justice.

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    3. Re:Where? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes there was. Quote from "the fucking source": >>Two RISK Team investigators arrived in Mumbai to interview the third-party call center personnel.

    4. Re:Where? by Hognoxious · · Score: 1, Funny

      The fucking SUMMARY, you boong.

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    5. Re: Where? by Entrope · · Score: 1

      The summary did mention "his cousin in the UK", which implied a non-UK call center, so the location was pretty obvious.

    6. Re: Where? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      No it wasn't. I was trying to figure out why they kept mentioning "in the UK". Just name the stupid country.

    7. Re: Where? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Don't worry, there are plenty of con artists in the UK. The legacy of Charles De Ville Wells lives on.

    8. Re: Where? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They didn't name the country because they actually think white people are so stupid that we haven't worked out that Indians are - in general - less trustworthy than white people.

      Otherwise, why aren't millions of white people moving to India every year, if "we're all the same"?

    9. Re:Where? by StormReaver · · Score: 1

      This led investigators to a call center in Mumbai, India, where the water supply company had outsourced its customer support operations.

      The saddest part of all this is that the water supply company only lost $645,000 (which it will probably pass on to its customers) rather than going out of business entirely.

    10. Re:Where? by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      There was no mention of the call centre's location in TFS, though. Because social justice.

      More like, because it would be redundant. If you're in the UK and you're dealing with an overseas call centre, it's an odds-on bet it will be in India.

      And in any case, what's the difference? An Indian scammer is no different than a Russia or American one.

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    11. Re: Where? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Lots of white people used to move to India. Of course, they treated the Indians quite a bit different, back then.

      They're not moving there now, because India is a shithole. Race probably doesn't have anything to do with it. Probably...

    12. Re: Where? by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      There are 200 and a bit countries in the world that aren't the UK. I wouldn't call a half a percent chance ''obvious''.

      In any case, it's shitty journalism. If you're writing a news article don't write it like a detective story.

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    13. Re: Where? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There are 200 and a bit countries in the world that aren't the UK. I wouldn't call a half a percent chance ''obvious''

      Everyone else would, because most outsourced call centers are in India and nobody trusts them.

    14. Re: Where? by Hognoxious · · Score: 1, Funny

      There's plenty in Ireland, so go and feck yerself. I doubt you could even point to Ireland if you were standing on it, you fat cunt.

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    15. Re:Where? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And in any case, what's the difference? An Indian scammer is no different than a Russia or American one.

      Wrong. The Indian scammer will be far more polite. And will ask you to do the needful.

    16. Re: Where? by nukenerd · · Score: 1

      There are 200 and a bit countries in the world that aren't the UK. I wouldn't call a half a percent chance ''obvious''.

      It is obvious, because (from the UK) every time I call a service company I am answered by a person with an Indian accent; it might s starts as a strange-sounding pseudo-British accent but it always lapses into a heavy Indian one as the conversation goes on (and gets more heated, because I have little patience with these bastards). Of course, they could be Indians anywhere in the World, like the USA, or Tunbridge Wells, but then you would expect a proportionate sprinkling of other accents too; but no, it's always Indian.

      Corporate UK loves employing Indian call centres. Let's start the list with BT

    17. Re: Where? by nukenerd · · Score: 1

      There's plenty [of call centres] in Ireland, so go and feck yerself.

      From the UK I have never been answered by a call centre operator with an Irish accent. Maybe they serve the USA.

    18. Re:Where? by nukenerd · · Score: 1

      And in any case, what's the difference? An Indian scammer is no different than a Russia or American one.

      Wrong. The Indian scammer will be far more polite. And will ask you to do the needful.

      The Indian scammer calls you "Sir", a hangover I suppose from the Raj. As in "Sir! I am calling from WIndows. Your computer has a virus SIR!"

    19. Re: Where? by nukenerd · · Score: 1

      Don't worry, there are plenty of con artists in the UK.

      Certainly, and there are plenty of Indians. They have taken it to a new level.

      This is the very first Google result I found. They even tried to bribe the jury.

    20. Re: Where? by Megol · · Score: 1

      If there is any problem(s) it/they are probably caused by the massive amount of people there, more people means one can't know all people around oneself - creating a society with mostly anonymous individuals free to lie, exaggerate, spout racist crap and generally making the place miserable. These anonymous filth like to infiltrate discussions caus... Oh, you are one of them. Should have guessed.

    21. Re:Where? by Megol · · Score: 1

      The saddest part is that you have access to the Internet.

    22. Re: Where? by bestweasel · · Score: 1

      Many UK companies have Irish call centres. Out of all the call centres in India, the Philippines, Hungary etc which I've phoned, the person I found hardest to understand was from my car insurers in Northern Ireland. He had such a thick accent that even after asking him to repeat something three times, I still wasn't always sure what he said. I did wonder if the call was as frustrating and embarrassing for him as it was for me.

    23. Re:Where? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wait, you don't read the fucking article, and you blame SJW editors for not presenting you with some detail that's important to you in the summary? Do you understand the different between TFA and summary? DO YOU KNOW WHAT A FUCKING HYPERLINK IS?

      Sweet baby fucking Jesus wept.

  4. Not exactly 'wiping' the hard drive by DivineKnight · · Score: 2

    From the article (because the summary sounds insane -> if MS has found a way to keep Shadow Volume copies of files after a full disk wipe, the Pentagon needs to know about this), it sounds like he was running something akin to selective cleaning (i.e. CC Cleaner). The OS and other applications remained, while personal data was removed.

    1. Re:Not exactly 'wiping' the hard drive by guruevi · · Score: 1

      If you steal near $700k you can afford a pound of thermite not just for the hard drive but for the entire computer -or- someone that actually knows what they're doing and some 'shush' money.

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    2. Re:Not exactly 'wiping' the hard drive by jameson71 · · Score: 1

      Yes, TFA says "after wiping his hard drive" but it sounds like like he deleted his browser cache.

    3. Re:Not exactly 'wiping' the hard drive by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      If you steal near $700k you can afford a pound of thermite

      So your theory is that he rejected using thermite because of the cost?

    4. Re:Not exactly 'wiping' the hard drive by msauve · · Score: 5, Funny

      It was "wiping, like with a cloth or something."

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    5. Re:Not exactly 'wiping' the hard drive by Gussington · · Score: 1

      From the article (because the summary sounds insane -> if MS has found a way to keep Shadow Volume copies of files after a full disk wipe,

      I'm assuming that the 'full disk wipe' was really just deleting the folder and the recycle bin.

    6. Re:Not exactly 'wiping' the hard drive by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      No, the summery says the drive was wiped. The article says he used data wiping software. RTFA.

    7. Re:Not exactly 'wiping' the hard drive by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      "summery"? No, it's still spring here.

    8. Re:Not exactly 'wiping' the hard drive by Hognoxious · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      Which is ironic, because most Indians can't even wipe their arses.

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    9. Re:Not exactly 'wiping' the hard drive by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      Well it couldn't possibly be because it might burn half the street down.

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    10. Re:Not exactly 'wiping' the hard drive by jabuzz · · Score: 2

      Must have been, because if he had booted from a Linux USB drive and followed this procedure

      https://www.thomas-krenn.com/e...

      There is not a cat in hells chance of recovering any data. If that is too complicated then for 9 USD just buy a copy of Parted Magic that has as GUI to do it all easily for you.

      If you are extra paranoid then write some zero's all over the drive first. If you are majorly paranoid write zero's all over the drive, issue a secure erase then smash the drive up into pieces and do a fresh install onto a new hard drive.

      Anyone ever questions why you replaced the drive just say it developed bad sectors so you purchased a new one. Or alternatively say you upgraded from a HDD to an SDD, or even you upgraded to a bigger drive. For bonus points buy the replacement drive before you commit the nefarious act.

    11. Re: Not exactly 'wiping' the hard drive by Entrope · · Score: 2

      Wiping his computer, like with a cloth?

    12. Re:Not exactly 'wiping' the hard drive by freudigst · · Score: 1

      Now he can sue the software company for the $700k back Clever!

    13. Re:Not exactly 'wiping' the hard drive by freudigst · · Score: 1

      If we could only get smarter people to turn to crime!

    14. Re:Not exactly 'wiping' the hard drive by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Which is ironic, because most Indians can't even wipe their arses.

      Well, wiping your ass in public probably is a bit embarrassing.

    15. Re:Not exactly 'wiping' the hard drive by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Anyone ever questions why you replaced the drive just say it developed bad sectors so you purchased a new one. Or alternatively say you upgraded from a HDD to an SDD, or even you upgraded to a bigger drive. For bonus points buy the replacement drive before you commit the nefarious act.

      Or even easier, write /dev/urandom to the drive, dig a hole in your back yard and bury the fucking thing.

      Unless you think your computer is worth going to prison for.

    16. Re:Not exactly 'wiping' the hard drive by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wiping with a damp cloth, or something.

    17. Re:Not exactly 'wiping' the hard drive by kilodelta · · Score: 1

      DBAN - seriously. Do a DOD wipe on it.

    18. Re:Not exactly 'wiping' the hard drive by Megol · · Score: 1

      I take that you think so by your experience licking the asses of a lot of Indians? Maybe you shouldn't frequent scat-fetish clubs in India...

    19. Re:Not exactly 'wiping' the hard drive by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      They aren't very good at jokes, either. At least not intentional ones.

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    20. Re:Not exactly 'wiping' the hard drive by Gussington · · Score: 1

      We do, those are ones who never get caught
      Or if really smart you don't even know about it,
      And in the case of criminal genius, they get public endorsement of their crimes every four years...

  5. Bloke got greedy. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    Bill Gates once said: $640K ought to be enough for anybody.

    But this guy took $645K.

  6. Note to self by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    3 pass secure erase that shit.

    1. Re:Note to self by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Or maybe just buy a new hard drive. It's not (yet) illegal to have a nice clean install.

    2. Re:Note to self by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yup, then throw it in the ocean and buy a new one for $99.

    3. Re: Note to self by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Alternatively, don't steal stuff.

    4. Re: Note to self by bmk67 · · Score: 1

      This wasn't theft, it's copyright infringeme....

      Oh, wait.

  7. THey deserved it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Outsource to India, while betraying local citizens out of a job? That's treason, and I have no sympathy for a "water company". Go fuck yourselves the same way you fuck over your own citizens.

    1. Re:THey deserved it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's the UK. Why are Trump supporters defending the rights of UK citizens!!!! Go back to your country Trumpist! We don't want no stinking US immigrants over here!

    2. Re:THey deserved it by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      Too right mate. It's why we voted for Brexit!

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    3. Re:THey deserved it by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      Too right mate. It's why we voted for Brexit!

      I thought it was about not having straight bananas?

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  8. Sigh. by ledow · · Score: 4, Insightful

    And no system, human or technical, realised that new bank details were being entered for multiple accounts that all then requested refunds? I would hazard that some of those accounts might even have been the same.

    But your system didn't detect a pattern of "change bank details", "request refund", etc.

    That said, I would question why screenshots were possible - if indeed we are talking about proper screenshots rather than just taking a photo with his phone (which would presumably attract a bit more attention).

    If he did this from the work PC, you have serious failings - he's sending emails from work (presumably on an unblocked personal account) with screenshots of personal data.

    If he's holding his phone up to the screen and clicking on a regular basis? That's just as bad.

    The next question I have is why is the agent allowed to see the details, rather than just get prompted for security details? Why is there a page where they just see everything, rather than go through the same set of questions on the system that they would need to ask the customer? And if the answers aren't on display in front of him, but he has to type them in and let the system authorise whatever it is he's doing (e.g. I imagine changing bank details requires at least customer, account numbers, etc.), then a screenshot is basically useless.

    Least privilege principle. The agent doesn't need the other information on the customer unless he's specifically asked for it - in which case the request is recorded and you'd be able to see "Oh, Employee A requested Customer X, Customer Y and Customer Z's account numbers on all three occasions that those bank details were changed and then the customer complained."

    If I ran a call-centre, I would literally have PC's with encrypted data over serial consoles (no general purpose operating system access at all). There's no need for even a GUI. And every phone call would go through a list of options for the operative. They would see no information, but be prompted for the user details that they have to prompt for anyway. The system would prompt, the operative would relay the prompt and answer, the system would decide whether to grant access to the next FUNCTION (not just a screen full of customer data). Every keypress recorded in tandem with the call they're dealing with (storage is dirt cheap for such things, hell most schools record every phone call nowadays, let alone a call centre dealing with millions of pounds of product/service sales)

    If you need to check, say, the customer's email to let them know what one they used to sign up, you request it. The system returns a masked copy. If in doubt, you just request a change of email for the customer to ensure the one they want to use is the one that's entered in the system. If there's no change (i.e. you entered the same email as the system already has), the system can know that what you were asking is much less suspicious.

    If a function is risky (changing bank details), there's still no way for the operative to screenshot, and it might even need the mythical, never-present "supervisor" to press a button on his computer to authorise a change too. If your boss has to know you're doing it, authorise it and/or be in cahoots with it, then you're much less likely to even try.

    Anything really complex that does require the full customer record (like what? I can't imagine)? Done in a recorded full-access session available only on the superviser's authorisation and kept rare deliberately.

    This also automatically fulfills your data protection requirements as none of the people or computers have access to any information that's not required for their job. Literally, their job requires no more information than the system ever gives them.

    You then have the need (which is present anyway) to ban pen, paper, smartphones, etc. while working.

    And no minimum-wage prat can steal your customer database, spam every customer email, pull off stuff like this anywhere near as easily, disrupt the syste

    1. Re:Sigh. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What do you honestly expect of software hacked together by Indians?

    2. Re:Sigh. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't get why they would give a water customer a refund? So you change the password, you change the bank and then you ask for a refund? Its a friggin water bill !! How do you ever get a refund on that?

    3. Re: Sigh. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In another lifetime, I was the ONLY admin at a call center.

      I am going to name names. The company was ICT, and our biggest contract, at that center, was CitiBank. This was just about at the turn of the century.

      They hired anyone. Not only did fraud occur, we had PC towers being stolen.

      I was not allowed to do a damned thing to mitigate this. My job was, more or less, just to keep the servers running. The PCs ran 98SE, had no central management, and (many of them) had unfiltered Internet access.

      On top of this, because of reasons, they were all allowed access to the WAN - which connected directly to CitiBank's HQ/main data center. And, for whatever reason, required no permissions to access certain parts of the data on those servers. They couldn't make direct refunds, or move funds. They could, however, see all that personal information, credit card numbers, verification numbers, address, security answers, and things like that.

      I quit, pretty quickly. I've had some lousy jobs that induced stress, but this one is pretty much the worst one that I have ever had. As I was the sole admin, I pretty much lived there. Fortunately, I was hourly. I made pretty decent money but it almost felt like hush money.

      Wait for it...

      While I was there, they got their ISO9002 certification. ICT did, they were who I worked for. Yup... They were able to still get ISO9002, as I recall. It may have been 9001, but I am pretty sure it was 9002. They even had a big celebration for having reached the goal.

      Yeah... The above is entirely true and not even half of it. ICT and CitiBank. There's absolutely no way that someone further up the chain wasn't aware of this. I, personally, filed multiple complaints. They still didn't fire me. They didn't fix anything, either. At least they didn't fix anything while I was there. I made it for a year, I think? Maybe eighteen months?

      Worst job, ever.

    4. Re:Sigh. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I've worked for HP and MS call centers. Security is, in theory, pretty strict. In practice, noone is paid well enough to care that much about it.

  9. nice by petter-miller_007 · · Score: 0

    Nice

  10. They lost pounds, not dollars by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Please report in the current stolen, and then the conversion afterward, as in the original article.

    GBP £500,000 was stolen, equivalent to around USD $645,000, CAD $885,000, AUD $876,000, CUC $646,000, or EUR 595,000.

    Please try to remember that there are a lot of people who read this site who are not from USA, so even the use of $ is ambiguous in an international community.

    1. Re: They lost pounds, not dollars by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Are you too poor to afford a real currency?

    2. Re: They lost pounds, not dollars by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You, on the other hand, appear to stupid to troll someone properly...

    3. Re: They lost pounds, not dollars by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      IMO all currency amounts should be reported in Zimbabwe dollars, or an equivalent currency experiencing hyperinflation.

  11. valuable lesson learned by sad_ · · Score: 4, Insightful

    don't use windows and expect to get away with it.

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  12. Refund for What? by MagicWig · · Score: 1

    So you change the password and change the bank account, got it. What I can't understand is why would a water company give you a refund? Are they pre-paying for water? Usually you pay for the water that was used. Maybe a difference in the UK?

    1. Re:Refund for What? by Tomahawk · · Score: 1

      Likely these customers are paying the same amount every bill, precalculated based on past usage and payments. If the estimates were wrong, typically the company will adjust the monthly payments downwards for the next year. If that is the case, the customer's account would be in credit due to overpayment, and they should be able to request this money back again.

      Certainly electricity companies here (in Ireland, just next door to UK) do that. And if you switch supplier, the old supplier will refund any overpayment automatically (or bill you for underpayments).

    2. Re:Refund for What? by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      So you change the password and change the bank account, got it. What I can't understand is why would a water company give you a refund? Are they pre-paying for water? Usually you pay for the water that was used. Maybe a difference in the UK?

      Most people in the UK don't have metered water supplies. We may not own half the World any more, but one thing we're rich in is water. It's a bit different from living in Australia or California.

      Energy/water companies here love to over-charge you by taking a ridiculously large monthly direct debit, then generously reducing it after a year or so once you've built up a hefty credit balance. I'm actually impressed this company has a refund facility at all.

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  13. Re:Didn't 'wipe' the drive. by EmagGeek · · Score: 1

    Their "job" is to generate traffic and ad impressions. By trolling people who care, they accomplish the mission of their job quite well.

  14. Re:Didn't 'wipe' the drive. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    In short, editors, get off your ass and do your fucking jobs or get the fuck out.

    The words from and idiot.

  15. "his cousin in the UK" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Hmm... let me guess. Indians? Pakistanis? Say it ain't so!

    Isn't 'diversity' wonderful. We can't have white people simply having their own countries, can we.

    1. Re:"his cousin in the UK" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      We can't have white people simply having their own countries, and invading all the others. FTFY

    2. Re:"his cousin in the UK" by Megol · · Score: 1

      White? Pigment-deficient pinkies more like it. And I wonder what you refer to as "white people" given that racists tend to exclude all others than themselves when using that "term".

  16. Very very sloppy by Rastl · · Score: 1

    The people running the call center are equally if not more at fault than the person who was stealing the account information.

    I worked at a large hosting company that has in house support. Cell phones are NOT allowed in the call center. In fact you can't even have a pen or pencil there. They use 8 x 10 white boards for immediate notes and those never leave the area. Access to external email is blocked. I don't know the rest of the security procedures but I have no doubt their internal email was screened as well.

    What they did was illegal, immoral, and just plain wrong. Overall it was a decently well thought out plan but there were inevitable points that would lead back to the source. The kicker was the CRM system tracking. If the guy had been more security aware on his home computer they probably wouldn't have had enough evidence to convict him of anything.

    A timely reminder of how far people will go to find ways around security measures.

    1. Re:Very very sloppy by Wulf2k · · Score: 1

      The people running the call center provided exactly what was requested, the bare minimum at the lowest cost.

    2. Re:Very very sloppy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I worked at a large hosting company that has in house support. Cell phones are NOT allowed in the call center. In fact you can't even have a pen or pencil there. They use 8 x 10 white boards for immediate notes and those never leave the area. Access to external email is blocked. I don't know the rest of the security procedures but I have no doubt their internal email was screened as well.

      All that was true in theory at the call center where I worked, but noone cared enough to enforce it strictly. If we had been allowed self expression, creativity, a voice in improving the products and services we supported, actual technical insight behind the scenes of the company, a technical career path (I want to solve difficult problems, not become a manager or complaints agent) and good pay, maybe we would've had a bit more pride and professionalism. Noone ever did steal any CC info as far as I know, though some were fired for gaming the customer feedback ratings system.

      In house is probably better, both when it comes to enforcement and empowerment, but the call center in TFA was not that.

  17. Re: Didn't 'wipe' the drive. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    You should take your intelligent and insightful comments to Reddit. Oh, we will manage on our own without you. However, you'll be much more appreciated at Reddit. You should go there.

  18. So.... by BitztreamNotARealNam · · Score: 2

    How's life in the hypocrite lane?