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British PM Candidate Promises Social Media Crackdown (politico.eu)

Theresa May's party "is expected to win a majority at the June 8 election," reports Reuters -- and she's promising they'll pass new social media laws. An anonymous reader quotes Politico: They want to introduce a new measure that could fine or punish internet firms which fail to adequately flag and take down content harmful to minors or "direct users unintentionally to hate speech, pornography or other sources of harm," according to a press release. "The internet has brought a wealth of opportunity but also significant new risks which have evolved faster than society's response to them," May said. "We want social media companies to do more to help redress the balance and will take action to make sure they do"... The Conservative digital platform also promises to better protect Brits' personal information, compelling social media companies to trash user records from before the age of 18. The party plans to encourage the development of digital by default government and business services, as well.

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  1. I see by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    the Tories are planning to ban themselves from the internet then?

    1. Re:I see by Njorthbiatr · · Score: 2

      Nah, just anyone who disagrees with them.

    2. Re:I see by syntotic · · Score: 0

      Where will the outlet be then? Is it why I cannot open accounts without lots of efforts only to be blocked right away because I am an adult and need to spread some awareness of some pictures? THere is a REAL problem here: with SO MUCH people involved, you are giving a tool to real criminals to spontaneously aggregate and supress all evidences, while forcing affected people to fall into their nets to get the evidence or communicate it! I think there should be a solution on the technical side so that material CAN go through but people who do not want to see it be protected. I TRULY dislike watching African having porno sex, it makes me gag and want to vomit, but then it is the place where some people can get the most coverage to say Hey! I am here! I do have to spread more than a couple of pictures of dead people I need others to see to say, Hey! they are really dead and they were connected, something must be done about it ! But I only get blocks and erased accounts! More than a law what is needed is a specification or standard implementation solving the problem so that adults can get adult content and children GET OFF THE HANDS OFF THAT THING, CAT. See what I mean?

  2. Freedom, States and Irish passports by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I thankfully had an Irish grandfather, obtained an Irish passport and I'm out.

    I deeply pity all those people left in the UK who can't get out.

    I may be wrong, but States seem to me to be like a cartel. Each of them basically refuses entry to anyone else; but this also means *you can't get out when your country goes bad*. And that's just fine for the local Government. They can be complete fuckwits and you can't do a thing.

    1. Re: Freedom, States and Irish passports by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Unless you live in the United States and you're free to move between states at any time you please if you can afford to move.

    2. Re: Freedom, States and Irish passports by StillAnonymous · · Score: 2

      That's becoming less and less relevant as power is gradually removed from the states and given to the federal government. Not being enough for those in power, they seek to expand beyond the borders of their country and control other countries as well, currently through treaties, political meddling, and outright assassination of uncooperative foreign leaders.

      The end goal is the "one world government", where they no longer need to balance control with freedom.

    3. Re: Freedom, States and Irish passports by loufoque · · Score: 1

      I'm a French citizen living in the UK. I can live anywhere I want, I'm there by choice.

    4. Re:Freedom, States and Irish passports by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 4, Interesting

      National citizenship rules should be changed. Instead of getting automatic citizenship based on where you are born, you should instead get provisional citizenship until your 21st birthday, and then you pick permanent citizenship in the country that best fits your political and economic views.

    5. Re: Freedom, States and Irish passports by that+this+is+not+und · · Score: 2

      The age of 21 would be a horrible time to be making a decision of that gravity. Many people are hot-headed idiots at that stage of their life.

    6. Re:Freedom, States and Irish passports by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What if the country that best fits your views doesn't want you?

    7. Re: Freedom, States and Irish passports by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      The way things are going you might leave *before* you want.

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    8. Re: Freedom, States and Irish passports by EmeraldBot · · Score: 5, Insightful

      No, this issue always existed. Why didn't the Japanese who were interned move away to a state that would project them? Why didn't gay people just move to another state in the 50's that would properly protect them? Why couldn't people who are in prison for drug usage move to another state where drug usage was legal?

      Because nobody ever stood up for them, hence there was no place to go. Blaming "the federal government" is a cop out; rather than admit that the multiple states approach didn't work, because conservative Americans held (and still hold) very little sympathy for people who lead lives different from themselves, it's much easier to blame something as large and abstract as the federal government. When we talk about outsourced jobs, is it the federal government's fault, or that of the companies for willingly and knowingly sacrificing quality and employee welfare for a better bottom line?

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    9. Re:Freedom, States and Irish passports by jeremyp · · Score: 1

      What? That bastion of free speech, the Republic of Ireland?

      http://www.independent.co.uk/n...

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    10. Re: Freedom, States and Irish passports by jeremyp · · Score: 1

      Unlikely. Firstly, i think the rights of EU citizens to stay in Britain will be guaranteed fairly early on, if for no reason other than that there are many British citizens living in the rest of the EU that we don't want back.

      Secondly, I think, once Brexit kicks in, I don't think this will be a country that many people would live in by choice.

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    11. Re: Freedom, States and Irish passports by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I am so surprised at this I'm almost suspicious it's a fake comment.

      To be clear - there ae no countries that I know of which will let people move to them and live there.

      There are many who will offer you a work permit, *if* you quality for one and *if* you can find a job, and such permits may last for only some years (although usually long enough to obtain permanent residency, should you keep living that in that State the entire time).

      There are others where if you can prove ancestry, you can obtain citizenship (as I have, with Ireland). There are some who offer special treatment to investors (such as Malta, where I think you can "buy" citizenship if you invest 0.5m euro or more).

      But just upping and moving? for normal people without millions in cash? no.

    12. Re: Freedom, States and Irish passports by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ah - I take it all back; I'm relieved to say I mis-read the comment.

      I would concur with one of the other replies, though; the Federal Government has become over the centuries massively powerful and continues to concentrate power into its own hands. That is the nature of Government - it happens in all or almost all countries.

    13. Re: Freedom, States and Irish passports by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You can ilve anywhere within the *EU*. You cannot live in the USA, or Canada, or Mexico, or Botswana or ... any other country. The EU also does not allow people from *outside* the EU to live in the EU, and my original argument applies just as much to them as it does to you and I. Everyone under 30 living in Russia wants to get out, for example, because Russia is appalling and they know it, but they can't, and so they keep paying the tax which funds the Russia military and Government who then launch cyber-attacks on the EU and USA.

    14. Re: Freedom, States and Irish passports by mSparks43 · · Score: 1

      Same here, but like Snowden I defected eastward.

    15. Re: Freedom, States and Irish passports by BlueStrat · · Score: 0

      To be clear - there ae no countries that I know of which will let people move to them and live there.

      Except the USA. In the US you're a racist xenophobe monster worse than Hitler if you oppose an open border. Never mind that every other nation enforces it's border security and immigration policies, the US is evil, racist, and xenophobic for doing the same and so is anyone who advocates for enforcing border security or immigration policy in the US. Anywhere else is fine, though.

      Strat

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    16. Re: Freedom, States and Irish passports by Cederic · · Score: 1

      Hmm. Fairly sure I could move to Ireland even post-Brexit, I'd easily get into Canada or Australia and if I had to I'd gamble on getting into most of Scandinavia, Iceland and New Zealand.

      So basically even without looking at the Far East, the Middle East, Central or South America or the whole of Africa, I'm replete with choices.

      But just upping and moving? for normal people without millions in cash? no.

      I may not be normal but I don't have millions in cash, so... yes.

    17. Re:Freedom, States and Irish passports by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 1

      What if the country that best fits your views doesn't want you?

      That is just a minor implementation detail.

    18. Re: Freedom, States and Irish passports by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Except the USA. In the US you're a racist xenophobe monster worse than Hitler if you oppose an open border.

      Whine, whine, whine, Bluestrat fights against a strawman. In reality, you're a racist xenophobic monster who looks up to Hitler as a hero if you consider immigrants only a problem and uselessly and blindly rail for a wall that you believe those same immigrants will pay for.

      Never mind that every other nation enforces it's border security and immigration policies, the US is evil, racist, and xenophobic for doing the same and so is anyone who advocates for enforcing border security or immigration policy in the US. Anywhere else is fine, though.

      Never mind that Obama deported over 2 million people, and nobody complained that, to any large degree, except you know, the liars uselessly pretending that Obama did nothing. It's ok, you just want to joust against a strawman, not deal with reality.

      Cuz you're a shit, full of shit, who will do nothing but shit over any reasonable discussion.

      That's all you do, Bluestrat, make yourself look bad. I only hope you are paid to make the right-wing look like turds off the poopwagon because otherwise, you're getting paid for a crappy job.

    19. Re: Freedom, States and Irish passports by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm Gay. I've moved to New Hampshire for more liberty and freedom. It does work- but you have to actually do it if you want other people to join you.

      The Free State Project, Shire Society, and other groups have successfully organized principled libertarians and voluntarists to move to New Hampshire for the pursuit of liberty and freedom in our life time.

      There are approximately 5,000 people here now and another 20,000 or so are working on moving. We had two new movers today to Keene, New Hampshire (a small population of 23,000). Anyway- the point is if you want liberty and freedom there is no other feasible way to achieve it other than to move together with others who think like you do.

      New Hampshire has a relatively small population that is financially well off and costs of living are low. It's easy to organize here at a political level with the majority of people living within 1 hour of the state house. We regularly have people testifying at the state for freedom on all sorts of issues and even have a full time lobbyist for freedom (exclusively does liberty and is a principled libertarian).

      You don't need to be the majority to have an impact and the principled libertarians moving to New Hampshire have already had a huge impact despite still being in the early days of the movement. The reason is the majority don't do squat and it is really a minority in power. So you merely need to develop an active minority to outnumber the opposition. We've done that to a degree by moving those who want liberty and of those that move they're naturally going to be more active than the majority of voters-let alone non-voters here already.

      We just got passed a bill that will decriminalize marijuana. We got passed a bill that eliminates mandatory permits for concealed carry of firearms.

      We are working on squashing laws mandating drivers licenses, license plates, inspection, and similar.

      There is a lot that can be done to hinder copy"right" enforcement and other draconian laws like censorship that interfere with democracy, freedom of speech, and similar. The state governments are influenced by the feds, but when you get enough people together who are anti-fed you can really impact politics at the state level.

    20. Re: Freedom, States and Irish passports by theshowmecanuck · · Score: 1

      Trudeau wants to let everyone and their dogs come here. And the less productive they are, and the more they cost Canadian tax payers, the more he seems to want them here.

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    21. Re: Freedom, States and Irish passports by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes! Give me MOAR tears! I love their salty goodness!

    22. Re:Freedom, States and Irish passports by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      People suffering from the ill effects of the too bright nights up North or down South should be allowed to take citizenship or at least permanent residence nearer to the equator for better mental health. Biology and health should be allowed to influence such decisions as well.

    23. Re: Freedom, States and Irish passports by ArmoredDragon · · Score: 1

      Whine, whine, whine, Bluestrat fights against a strawman. In reality, you're a racist xenophobic monster who looks up to Hitler as a hero if you consider immigrants only a problem and uselessly and blindly rail for a wall that you believe those same immigrants will pay for.

      While I can't speak for GP, I haven't really seen anybody who wants to ban all immigration, rather just illegal immigration.

      And for the most part, I agree. Fundamentally, what this comes down to is that civilization isn't possible without rule of law, and rule of law isn't possible without having a jurisdiction. Hence, borders are necessary. And likewise you can't necessarily allow people to come and go as they please without some form of controls, international agreements, etc, otherwise borders don't serve any purpose.

    24. Re:Freedom, States and Irish passports by ArmoredDragon · · Score: 1

      National citizenship rules are up to the individual country, and with the exception of the Americas, very few countries actually have birthright citizenship. (Some countries allow you to just buy your way to citizenship; the US does this for example.)

      That said, I doubt you'd get most countries to cooperate with the idea that somebody who has never been there before can just suddenly claim the rights to being a national just because they hit an arbitrary age number. Gaining citizenship in the US for example means that, among other things, the US will make diplomatic and military efforts to protect you if you're being wrongfully persecuted by a foreign government. It also means you get diplomatic guarantees that are honored by a large number of other countries, such as visa-free travel.

    25. Re: Freedom, States and Irish passports by BlueStrat · · Score: 1

      While I can't speak for GP, I haven't really seen anybody who wants to ban all immigration, rather just illegal immigration.

      And for the most part, I agree. Fundamentally, what this comes down to is that civilization isn't possible without rule of law, and rule of law isn't possible without having a jurisdiction. Hence, borders are necessary. And likewise you can't necessarily allow people to come and go as they please without some form of controls, international agreements, etc, otherwise borders don't serve any purpose.

      Exactly correct, thank you!

      I advocate for civilization over anarchy. Border and immigration security & control are a necessary part. This is not rocket surgery.

      My A/C stalker must hate civilization. Sad.

      But, it seems I live rent-free in his head. Funny.

      Strat

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    26. Re:Freedom, States and Irish passports by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      LOL

      Good luck in Ireland - the EU has worse laws in place and coming down the pipe

    27. Re: Freedom, States and Irish passports by TheRaven64 · · Score: 2

      While I can't speak for GP, I haven't really seen anybody who wants to ban all immigration, rather just illegal immigration.

      Illegal immigration is already banned - that's why they call it illegal. The changes that people want to make are making legal immigration harder and enforcing laws against illegal immigration more strongly. The problem with these policies is twofold. The first is that the people who advocate them often benefit from low-priced labour as a result of illegal immigration. The second is that they're often using immigrants as a scapegoat for something else: For example in the UK, in the run up to the referendum, we saw that a lot of communities that were 1% or less immigrant were blaming immigrants for the lack of jobs: even if they deported all of the immigrants, it would make no meaningful difference to unemployment rates. But blaming the problems on immigrants is far easier for politicians than addressing the various root causes of inequality (in this case, that there's a huge amount of direct and indirect subsidy on companies in London, which pulls jobs away from the rest of the country).

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    28. Re: Freedom, States and Irish passports by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You make it sound like just up and moving to another state is easy.

    29. Re: Freedom, States and Irish passports by stealth_finger · · Score: 1

      Except the USA. In the US you're a racist xenophobe monster worse than Hitler if you oppose an open border.

      Yet they elected a guy who's main thing was a new, bigger, better, stronger, yuger, border wall?

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    30. Re: Freedom, States and Irish passports by Maritz · · Score: 1

      Except the USA. In the US you're a racist xenophobe monster worse than Hitler if you oppose an open border.

      "My arguments are so painfully weak that I must exaggerate the other side's view grotesquely in order to make a facile point."

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    31. Re: Freedom, States and Irish passports by Maritz · · Score: 1

      Trudeau wants to let everyone and their dogs come here.

      Don't worry, no-one wants to go there.

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    32. Re: Freedom, States and Irish passports by Maritz · · Score: 1

      Secondly, I think, once Brexit kicks in, I don't think this will be a country that many people would live in by choice.

      It'll be nice for the people running it, which is believe is the intention.

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    33. Re: Freedom, States and Irish passports by Maritz · · Score: 1

      Everyone under 30 living in Russia wants to get out, for example, because Russia is appalling and they know it, but they can't, and so they keep paying the tax which funds the Russia military and Government who then launch cyber-attacks on the EU and USA.

      Sounds like they should stop being pathetically servile cowards and remove Dear Leader Putin from his perpetual office.

      How long was Russia a democracy for? A few years? Pathetic.

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    34. Re: Freedom, States and Irish passports by Maritz · · Score: 0

      Stop trying to take my rights away. I am not obligated to let you move to my country. I don't want your tired, weak, poor, or masses of any kind. This is using the royal you, but you don't have a right to move anywhere you want.

      Keep your shitty country mate. Shove it right up your fucking penis.

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    35. Re:Freedom, States and Irish passports by Maritz · · Score: 1

      An embarrassing law, yes. Doesn't get enforced. You forgot to link that the case was quickly dropped. I'll link it for you.

      It was dropped six days ago because nobody gave a fuck.

      Glad I could help you out there.

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    36. Re:Freedom, States and Irish passports by Maritz · · Score: 1

      You should link them. UK has warrantless access to everybody's browsing history. What's the EU got coming that's worse?

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    37. Re: Freedom, States and Irish passports by stealth_finger · · Score: 0

      We just got passed a bill ... We got passed a bill

      You got passed a bill? What the fuck is that supposed to mean? You got past a bill or you got a bill passed. But I guess you could care less about sounding like an idiot, right?

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    38. Re: Freedom, States and Irish passports by stealth_finger · · Score: 1

      For example in the UK, in the run up to the referendum, we saw that a lot of communities that were 1% or less immigrant were blaming immigrants for the lack of jobs: even if they deported all of the immigrants, it would make no meaningful difference to unemployment rates.

      Yeah, people often stumble after moaning they tuk ur jaaabs, when you say what jobs?

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    39. Re: Freedom, States and Irish passports by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      While I can't speak for GP,

      Don't worry, BlueStrat is quite capable of speaking for himself, and it's a blatantly partisan rant with absolutely no value. You can see his behavior, and I would suggest you reject his endorsement, it's not exactly commendable.

      I'd run from it, like I'd run from a James O'Keefe video. It's just asking for trouble.

      I haven't really seen anybody who wants to ban all immigration, rather just illegal immigration.

      That's nice. Is that supposed to be reassuring? I'm not sure I can trust your observations on the subject.

      Care to show your bonafides?

      How many people have you heard rail about the evils of illegal immigration, that there's some nefarious plot of to bring immigrants in by the boatload, or even how terrible it is that somehow we can't enforce our immigration laws. The number should be more than one. What do you know about Nativist sentiment in the United States? What have you learned about the tragedies it has caused? What have you learned about the abuses justified in the name of protection?

      Anti-Immigrant hysteria has existed in the US for well, centuries. The Know-Nothing Party was one obvious example, but there are others, like the Asiatic Exclusion League and the Ku Klux Klan. And more recently, the development of the border militias and other such movements.

      They have engaged in campaigns of criminal behavior, and corruption of the laws, to an extent that puts them in severe disrepute. Most recently, they've even gone into the Birther mindset, which has such stalwarts as Donald Trump, Joe Arpaio, and Orly Taitz behind it. Quite a wretched collection of scum and villainy.

      And even that aside, the bureaucracy of immigration processing is itself a severely questionable system. Paperwork. Filing fees. And money talks. Just ask the Kushner's. (Bad optics there, what were those idiots thinking?) Is the system truly rightful, or is it the problem?

      And for the most part, I agree.

      Only for the most part? What do you take exception to? Is it the hysteria that nothing is being done, or are you unsatisfied with the presentation in some way?

      See, what you aren't choosing to state, is that what we have is a bunch of hysterical whining shills who purport some great threat of "illegal" immigration that isn't being addressed at all, just to rally a crowd. It's a scare tactic, and the extent of hysteria in which they engage is only exceeded by the Right-to-Life movement.

      If you want to have an earnest, and productive discussion, you'll have to realize that exists, and deal with it.

      Had you done that, even as little as a tepid remark acknowledging such idiocies as you see on their part, you'd have accomplished a lot in establishing your own credibility on the subject, rather than say, a certain Presidential stooge who railed how he was going to write a Muslim ban, then suddenly wants to pretend he's not doing any such thing.

      Too many people think that the way to do things is to bluff and bluster, to not be straightforward and earnest in a way that requires humility and openness, and more than a little diffidence.

      I believe that's the root of the issue here, instead of putting your cards on the table, you decided to act like you have a set of face cards. Instead, it made me realize you don't even understand the stakes.

      Fundamentally, what this comes down to is that civilization isn't possible without rule of law, and rule of law isn't possible without having a jurisdiction. Hence, borders are necessary. And likewise you can't necessarily allow people to come and go as they please without some form of controls, international agreements, etc, otherwise borders don't serve any purpose.

      And this is an issue for you, because? Is there some plan, somewhere, that you're objecting to? Do you dislike the Schengen agreement? Do you not like the ability to travel from

    40. Re: Freedom, States and Irish passports by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      Fairly sure I could move to Ireland even post-Brexit, I'd easily get into Canada or Australia and if I had to I'd gamble on getting into most of Scandinavia, Iceland and New Zealand.

      It depends on your job. Canada and Australia are OK to let you in if you have certain in-demand skills, but Joe Average can't just up sticks and move there and start work flipping burgers or whatever, last I heard.

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    41. Re: Freedom, States and Irish passports by Anonymous+Cow+Ward · · Score: 1

      Why didn't the Japanese who were interned move away to a state that would project them?

      Because that was an action carried out by... wait for it... the federal government?

      Why didn't gay people just move to another state in the 50's that would properly protect them?

      Primarily because there weren't any at the time. There are some now. And your next question has much the same answer, except that for a lot of drugs there's nowhere in the developed world you can go. States and countries are usually just too big to find something that *exactly* fits your needs. But you can prioritize your issues and look at what's available.

      Liberal Americans are also usually pretty intolerant of people who lead different lives from themselves. Both groups can be pretty biased. Blaming the federal government isn't a cop out unless you say it's the only reason people don't have government that is responsive to them. It is a legitimate problem that the federal government is trying to force states to be homogeneous, because you never know what the next administration will do.

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    42. Re: Freedom, States and Irish passports by Anonymous+Cow+Ward · · Score: 1

      It's "couldn't care less". If you're going to accuse someone of sounding like an idiot, you could at least make sure you don't sound like one also.

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    43. Re: Freedom, States and Irish passports by stealth_finger · · Score: 0

      Well done, you noticed. That was there on purpose. Pacifically to make the point. (That one too before you lose your shit)

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    44. Re: Freedom, States and Irish passports by Anonymous+Cow+Ward · · Score: 1

      "Pacifically" is obvious enough. People use "could care less" sincerely all the time, for reasons that are beyond me.

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    45. Re: Freedom, States and Irish passports by tendrousbeastie · · Score: 1

      While I can't speak for GP, I haven't really seen anybody who wants to ban all immigration, rather just illegal immigration.

      Illegal immigration is already banned - that's why they call it illegal. The changes that people want to make are making legal immigration harder and enforcing laws against illegal immigration more strongly. The problem with these policies is twofold. The first is that the people who advocate them often benefit from low-priced labour as a result of illegal immigration. The second is that they're often using immigrants as a scapegoat for something else: For example in the UK, in the run up to the referendum, we saw that a lot of communities that were 1% or less immigrant were blaming immigrants for the lack of jobs: even if they deported all of the immigrants, it would make no meaningful difference to unemployment rates. But blaming the problems on immigrants is far easier for politicians than addressing the various root causes of inequality (in this case, that there's a huge amount of direct and indirect subsidy on companies in London, which pulls jobs away from the rest of the country).

      Neither of the two points you make is a satisfactory argument for not properly enforcing immigration laws. The first is a good reason to believe that it might be more difficult than it appears because of some peoples' vested interests, and the second seems to be saying that because some other people made a bad argument about something we should not be allowed to follow obviously good arguments through to their conclusion. So what if some Brits made some stupid arguments during the referendum campaign, what does that have to do with this argument that immigrations laws ought to be properly enforced?

      Your third (parenthetical) point about the influence of London might well be a valid argument in itself (I live in East Sussex, in the ghastly south east, and I would tend to agree that London gets too much attention) but again, what has it got to do with the argument under discussion?

    46. Re: Freedom, States and Irish passports by stealth_finger · · Score: 1

      The reason is there stupid XD

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    47. Re: Freedom, States and Irish passports by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Neither of the two points you make is a satisfactory argument for not properly enforcing immigration laws.

      Please tell us what you mean by "not properly enforcing immigration laws" if you may.

      Besides, why can't those points be used to change the protest the immigration laws and demand their change?

      The first is a good reason to believe that it might be more difficult than it appears because of some peoples' vested interests, and the second seems to be saying that because some other people made a bad argument about something we should not be allowed to follow obviously good arguments through to their conclusion.

      Indeed, that there are people who benefit from immigration being illegal is a well known part of the problem, and what you're not realizing about that second point is that it's tied into truly examining those arguments that may seem good as they are superficially appealing, but a further study may show you a different aspect to them.

      These are reasons to cast a leery eye at people who say they want the law enforced in a dogmatic and zealous fashion.

      So what if some Brits made some stupid arguments during the referendum campaign, what does that have to do with this argument that immigrations laws ought to be properly enforced?

      When you stand next to a guy rolling in shit, the stink is going to get on you. And let's face it, immigration has been an issue with much malfeasance since biblical times.

      What are you going to do, deny it? The odor is pungent.

      Your third (parenthetical) point about the influence of London might well be a valid argument in itself (I live in East Sussex, in the ghastly south east, and I would tend to agree that London gets too much attention) but again, what has it got to do with the argument under discussion?

      The complaint that the economic situation is bad, requires an examination of causes, which can include possibly being more attributable to other factors than immigration. Ignoring that point, to focus on repetitively declaring that the immigration laws must be enforced, with no question or qualm, borders on embracing an authoritarian stricture.

      Is this so hard to understand?

    48. Re: Freedom, States and Irish passports by syntotic · · Score: 0

      Deportation? To the other side of the border or to the other side of Life? I had no idea there was such accusation.

  3. Parents by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Since British parents are total suck-wads at being parents, we will do it for them.

  4. Alternative title: by Gravis+Zero · · Score: 4, Insightful

    British PM Candidate Explains, "I don't understand how the Internet works!"

    There seems to be an awful lot of politicians that don't understand how powerless they are to control what happens outside of their country.

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    1. Re:Alternative title: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, that's why American yeomanry butchered-out the Brits/Germans in 1776 ... do it again with pleasure to bangerboiz & libcomz as seems fitting !

    2. Re:Alternative title: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      There seem to be an awful lot of techies who don't understand that politicians can in fact control what happens outside their country.

      Maybe not on the entirety of the internet, but certainly for a few big social media companies, which is all that matters to the millennial crowd anyway, since they have elected to move entirely to corporate centrally controlled internet services. It works especially well when the social media company - let's call it Facebook for example - agrees and wants to self-censor to avoid the bad PR associated with free speech. Even that is not strictly necessary though. Especially not if the whole EU is aligned. When the social media company has offices and infrastructure in a jurisdiction, it can be pressured by that jurisdiction to take actions even outside the jurisdiction itself.

      Don't be too over-confident. Yes, you'll still have your darknet. But for most people "the internet" is nothing more than a handful of social media companies any more, and with that centralization comes the ability to exert pressure on just a few points.

    3. Re:Alternative title: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      In his Gettysburg address, Abraham Lincoln said that the USA should have a government of, by, and for the people. Of course, governments are always people. So what he meant was ordinary people - that the USA should be different from the monarchies of Europe (and most of the world throughout history) where a small, mostly hereditary, ruling class lorded it over everyone else living lives of extreme privilege by exploiting everyone else.

      These days, the world looks a lot like it did in the run up to the first world war (WWI). Except for a few little countries like Denmark, there's immense inequality in the world with all kinds of little banana republic wars where the rich and the powerful compete with each other for the world's natural resources by waging little wars around the world in which ordinary people are their pawns.

      On one hand, it's a bit of a puzzle why ordinary people allow themselves to be used as pawns in these banana republic wars. Partially, it's economic necessity. A lot of people are just doing it for the paycheck so their families don't go hungry. But there are a variety of other tools that the rich and powerful have at their disposal to manipulate ordinary people into serving as their pawns. Organized religion is a major tool. The conflict in the Middle East is fundamentally about rich and powerful people competing with each other for the region's oil. But, more broadly, shame and fear and "patriotism" are tools of control. If the rich and powerful can get ordinary people to accept a simplistic view where the owlrd is divided up into good people and bad people, then the ordinary people will focus on hating the bad people and won't realize that they're being used as pawns.

      So it doesn't really matter if a government prevents people from accessing porn. In fact, it's actually better that they do access porn but have to do it in secret and possibly break some laws in the process. Because that way the rich and powerful maximize the shame and the fear. They get ordinary people to hate each other over trivial matters like who does and who doesn't watch porn - with the message that ordinary people can be "good", heroes even, if they renounce they're evil porn-watching ways and join the pawn armies of the rich and powerful to go off to fight and kill in their banana republic wars.

    4. Re:Alternative title: by fluffernutter · · Score: 1

      Except they aren't taking away your porn, only links that kids may stumble on that lead to porn unknowingly.

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    5. Re:Alternative title: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      retard

    6. Re:Alternative title: by fustakrakich · · Score: 1

      Not true, blocking access is trivial. That's what ISPs are for.

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    7. Re:Alternative title: by StillAnonymous · · Score: 1

      I see that approach as an equivalent to the "road closed" sign. Most people will abide by it, but the determined will simply move the sign or drive around it.

      But perhaps, in their view, that's sufficient.

    8. Re:Alternative title: by fustakrakich · · Score: 1

      If you can't get service, you won't have internet. There is no 'road' on the other side of the sign, just a wall.

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    9. Re:Alternative title: by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 1

      In his Gettysburg address, Abraham Lincoln said that the USA should have a government of, by, and for the people

      ... while waging war on people that felt his government didn't represent them.

    10. Re:Alternative title: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      North Korea would suggest otherwise. You honestly think she hasn't been told that her plan is stupid. Of course she knows FFS!

    11. Re:Alternative title: by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      It has to be said though, the Tories do seem to have a particular obsession with internet porn and general puritanism. Remember David Cameron's pornwall? The proposal to make you call your ISP and ask them to turn the porn on for you, or have it "blocked" by some magical firewall by default.

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    12. Re: Alternative title: by dnaumov · · Score: 1

      Except if your country is big enough to, you know, actually matter.

    13. Re:Alternative title: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      If you consider slaves as real people and that fact that in many southern states, slaves represented a majority or near majority, I would say he represented them just fine with the Emancipation Proclamation months prior.

    14. Re:Alternative title: by jeremyp · · Score: 1

      Because slaves aren't people, right?

      Oh wait, no.

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    15. Re: Alternative title: by ljw1004 · · Score: 1

      I think they understand very well indeed. They propose to punish firms that have a UK presence and do not crack down. That's entirely possible and within their power.

      Sure they can't stop things being posted on the internet. But they can prevent any firm from *making money from internet* in the UK unless they toe the line. Economic reality being what it is, that will have a huge effect on what people in the UK consume.

    16. Re:Alternative title: by lgw · · Score: 1

      It's a fair point, not to be merely handwaved away. Lincoln felt that multiple smaller nations would not endure. He was probably right, given the events of WWII and the cold war.

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    17. Re:Alternative title: by Cederic · · Score: 1

      they aren't taking away your porn

      In the UK they've already taken away a number of types of porn - e.g. porn that includes face-sitting is now illegal in the UK.

      Theresa May would love to ban the rest too. She's a fascist totalitarian killjoy that also wants to ban encryption because it stops the security services from monitoring everybody in the country all the time.

    18. Re: Alternative title: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      To be fair, the UK and Germany are less able to defend themselves now, than they were then.

    19. Re: Alternative title: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This seems unlikely, or I may no know what face-sitting is. Elaborate?

    20. Re: Alternative title: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I dunno. I'm pretty sure that pointing out blacks are people too, and entitled to rights, hardly seems like hand waving it away.

    21. Re: Alternative title: by Scarletdown · · Score: 1
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    22. Re:Alternative title: by TheRaven64 · · Score: 1

      They can always control any company that wants to do business in their country. Do you think Facebook wants to pull out of the UK? If they did, then that's a big incentive for a UK-based competitor to start up. If other countries see that they can get Facebook to pull out, do you think that they wouldn't follow suit? It's not like Facebook is paying a lot of tax in, say, France or Germany. By attempting to centralise the Internet, companies like Facebook and Google have made it a lot easier to control. People always seem to forget when they build concentrations of power that other people may end up with access to them.

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    23. Re: Alternative title: by lgw · · Score: 1

      That didn't figure into Lincoln's reasoning though. He has written clearly about that. Really, few people in power in the North at the time cared. All wars are over power and economics, never any sort of cause.

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  5. Not surprising by etnoy · · Score: 4, Informative

    In the EU, the GDPR will give EU citizens roughly the same powers. The UK is leaving the EU, so this law will be a replacement for it.

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    1. Re:Not surprising by AmiMoJo · · Score: 4, Interesting

      No, this goes way beyond the GDPR. The EU rules are mainly about retaining control over your data, and clarifying existing rules on the right to be forgotten (which isn't what you think it is).

      The Tories are proposing mandatory porn filtering, with fines if the filters don't work. The proposal is vague, probably because they don't have any real idea how it would actually work or the burden it would place on ISPs, so it is hard to evaluate the precise level of stupidity involved.

      Most likely it's just an election promise that will be quietly forgotten after a consultation where ISPs tell them it's moronic. They have proposed similar things before, but the cost usually ends up putting them off, and they already have to help pay for the new data retention and surveillance powers.

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    2. Re:Not surprising by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, but remember that Darth May has been the one behind the last seven years of attempts to introduce all this police-state crap as Home Secretary. Now she's PM a lot of the stuff that had been bounced back as batshit crazy has already been quietly forced through.

      The Tories backers own most of the media, and they've installed their own stooges at the BBC, so there's a near-universal media bias. They just flat out ignored the election spending rules at the last election (and got away with it, because they also own the police and prosecutors who investigated them). They are going to win by a wide margin and push through their agenda of selling off every public institution to their mates for pennies on the pound. Once they've destroyed everything worthwhile about the UK and sold the carcass off to their rich mates, they can all retire from politics and take up positions on the boards of the same companies they sold everything to, and move to Europe.

      For the love of all that you hold dear, fellow Brits: get out and vote for whoever can beat the Tories where you are. Labour might be are a bit shit, the Lib Dems can't win a majority, and the Greens are frankly nuts, but the Tories are out to destroy our country for corporate self-interest if they get a majority.

    3. Re:Not surprising by Maritz · · Score: 1

      For the love of all that you hold dear, fellow Brits: get out and vote for whoever can beat the Tories where you are. Labour might be are a bit shit, the Lib Dems can't win a majority, and the Greens are frankly nuts, but the Tories are out to destroy our country for corporate self-interest if they get a majority.

      Tresemmé could hold an Erdogan-style referendum giving her despotic powers and she'd be voted in. UK electorate are the classic turkeys voting for Christmas.

      After they return the Tories with an even bigger majority, I sure as hell hope all the moaning about the NHS shuts the fuck up. You voted to kill it, so let it fucking die.

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    4. Re:Not surprising by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Labour are the ones who introdued that password disclosure bullshit.

    5. Re:Not surprising by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > Most likely it's just an election promise that will be quietly forgotten after a consultation where ISPs tell them it's moronic. They have proposed similar things before, but the cost usually ends up putting them off, and they already have to help pay for the new data retention and surveillance powers.

      Except this time May is likely to win a landslide, and will become incredibly authoritarian with the resultant power. It wont be about what the people want or what parliament wants, it'll be about what she wants and she'll crack her whip to get it.

      This whole election is built around creating a personality cult around her and treating it like we're electing her as a president with executive powers. This is our version of Erdogan's power grab which we can hardly now criticise.

      Given that she's a hard line fundamentalist Christian I suspect there will be hard times ahead for internet freedom with the likes of the NSPCC leading the call in her defence with it's usual fake statistics and think of the children cries.

      I suspect that in 5 years time, people will look back at the Lib Dem/Tory coalition and realise how liberal it was in comparison - it was a 5 year reprieve from really fucking stupid internet laws. With May's hardline bent this'll make the 2 year Brown dictatorship from 2008 - 2010 where idiots like Jacqui Smith caused immense damage to internet freedom despite only being Home Secretary look like child's play. The IMP will be expanded to allow real time snooping at ISPs as is already on her agenda, ID cards will probably make a comeback under the guise of "stopping illegal immigration", and there will be a broad attempt to censor the internet further as we're seeing described here.

      And it'll all be hidden behind Brexit - don't make us waste time on these policies by having them scrutinised because Brexit, just pass them! Of course, Corbyn will happily oblige, because that basically seems to be what he does, because for all his bitching about things like bankers, and hard Brexit, he voted against EU regulations on limiting bankers bonuses, and he voted for allowing May to have whatever type of Brexit she wanted scrutiny free. He'll be the willful enabler of May's agenda just as he has been for the last 18 months.

  6. Watch all the Freedom-loving Brexiters dance! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They'll fall all over themselves contorting into some explanation as to why they support a totalitarian wannabe like May, just because they'll get their precious withdrawal from the EU.

    Man, you get in bed with snakes, you wake up with your brain poisoned like Baelor the Blessed, never the same again.

    1. Re:Watch all the Freedom-loving Brexiters dance! by StillAnonymous · · Score: 0

      The difference is that it is easier to deal with or vote-out a local, elected figurehead who has to live in the jurisdiction they govern, as compared to dealing with an un-elected (by the people of your country) foreign entity who is detached from what is going on in your country.

      These days, the difference may be small, but it is still there. If you might recall, the USA had a revolution over being ruled by a foreign power. The UK managed to do it much more peacefully. All assuming, of course, that May isn't just another puppet of global, behind-the-scenes puppet masters.

    2. Re:Watch all the Freedom-loving Brexiters dance! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      ho for fucks sake, we never lost power to EU.

      And we voted for MEPs, to represent us. unfortunately idiots voted in farage as one of MEPs, and instead of trying to change things, he just fucking whined and did fuck all...took a nice fat pay packet.

      You have been told a massive pile of bullshit by the fuckers..

    3. Re:Watch all the Freedom-loving Brexiters dance! by nukenerd · · Score: 1

      [Brexiters will] fall all over themselves contorting into some explanation as to why they support a totalitarian wannabe like May, just because they'll get their precious withdrawal from the EU.

      FYI, May was a Bremainer. http://www.euronews.com/2016/0...

      May is merely implementing the result of the referendum. The Brexit-Bremain split is largely orthogonal to the Tory-Labour split. One of the strongest Brexit areas is the South Wales valleys, a working class, Labour supporting, former coal-mining area.

      I am a Brexiter and I don't particularly support the Tories, not since that Thatcher bitch destroyed most of British manufacturing, nor Labour since that Blair bastard destroyed the rest. All the main parties are now Thatcherite. I vote for smaller parties, UKIP last time.

    4. Re:Watch all the Freedom-loving Brexiters dance! by nukenerd · · Score: 1

      ho for fucks sake, we never lost power to EU.

      Except having to conform to their numerous orders. Just one example, banning creosote for tarring fences; maybe irrelevant to you (or to EU residents in sunny Spain and Italy, or basement dwellers) ) but a big deal for me as I maintain several hundred yards of fencing in the damp misty hills of Wales. They are taking big chunks of time out of my life.

    5. Re:Watch all the Freedom-loving Brexiters dance! by dunkelfalke · · Score: 1

      Cutting the nose to spite the face seems to be a very popular pastime for the Brits.

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    6. Re:Watch all the Freedom-loving Brexiters dance! by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      She was so lukewarm that I'd class here as a Brfence-sitter, waiting to see which way the find blew.

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    7. Re:Watch all the Freedom-loving Brexiters dance! by serviscope_minor · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Except having to conform to their numerous orders.

      You do realise that we won't be able to do whatever the fuck we want after we leave, right? I mean, no one will agree to do a trade deal with us if re refuse to agree to any rules.

      And you know, if we refuse to agree to the EU stuff on fisheries, we risk getting what the EU juust managed to prevent which is a full blown fish stock collapse. Once that happens, you can piss and moan however much you like but you still won't be able to get fish out of the sea.

      Just one example, banning creosote for tarring fences; maybe irrelevant to you (or to EU residents in sunny Spain and Italy, or basement dwellers) ) but a big deal

      Well then you're a right fucking numpty because you can still get creosote if you know where to look.

      It also is terrible for the environment so selling it to every tom dick and harry to tip down the drain is a fantastically poor idea too. Creosote is really rather carcinogenic, so yeah, it's a pretty good idea to not have it for general sale on the grounds that not having people kill themselves for not have the right piece of obscure knowledge. But you can still get hold of it easily enough, though without your own pressure treating kit, you won't do nearly as well as if you simply buy pretreated fencing.

      Now, you lazy, ill informed git, here's somewhere that'll actually sell you the stuff:

      https://www.creosotesales.co.u...

      for me as I maintain several hundred yards of fencing in the damp misty hills of Wales.

      Well, I hear Tories love Wales, so I'm sure you won't be at all fucked now you've just handed them all the power.

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    8. Re: Watch all the Freedom-loving Brexiters dance! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Bananas.

      I love this game.

    9. Re: Watch all the Freedom-loving Brexiters dance! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      One of the strongest Brexit areas is the South Wales valleys, a working class, Labour supporting, former coal-mining area.

      And also thanks to generations of inbreeding (men there like doing each others wives secretly on the side, and the kids don't travel much and marry locally to be close to mam) stuffed with the most godawfully stupid cauliflower faced morons you're ever likely to meet. Meanwhile, inner London, another Labour stronghold, voted overwhelmingly remain. The whole problem of Brexit was that it wasn't split along traditional party lines.

    10. Re:Watch all the Freedom-loving Brexiters dance! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      FYI, May was a Bremainer. http://www.euronews.com/2016/0...

      May is merely implementing the result of the referendum.

      In reality, May took up the post of Prime Minister after the Brexit vote, because she was willing to pretend to be all gusto for the referendum. After it was tallied. Beforehand? As the other fellow said, she waited for the wind to blow before she set her sails.

      The Brexit-Bremain split is largely orthogonal to the Tory-Labour split. One of the strongest Brexit areas is the South Wales valleys, a working class, Labour supporting, former coal-mining area.

      Yeah, the poor, angry, and resentful. Always exploitable, just give them a target. They'll rush the trenches, and it's a win-win, since you didn't want to do crap for the suckers anyway.

      I am a Brexiter and I don't particularly support the Tories, not since that Thatcher bitch destroyed most of British manufacturing, nor Labour since that Blair bastard destroyed the rest. All the main parties are now Thatcherite. I vote for smaller parties, UKIP last time.

      Great, that sure impresses me with your ability to judge responsibly. Like picking the one-eye horse at the Derby. Don't get me wrong, there are crazier tards than Nigel Farange, but he's still the kinda fellow I wouldn't trust with used toilet paper. Screaming Lord Sutch would be a more considered choice.

      Yeah, I get it, you're bitter and unhappy, but all the King's Horses and all the King's Men, can't put things back to the way they were again. And some changes you might fiercely resist, are better for you in the end anyway.

    11. Re:Watch all the Freedom-loving Brexiters dance! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The difference is that it is easier to deal with or vote-out a local, elected figurehead who has to live in the jurisdiction they govern, as compared to dealing with an un-elected (by the people of your country) foreign entity who is detached from what is going on in your country.

      To the contrary, it is actually harder, as the local figurehead knows where the bodies are buried, whose wheels need greasing, and whose boars need to be gored, and they aren't even an outsider, so you hardly notice the truth.

      These days, the difference may be small, but it is still there. If you might recall, the USA had a revolution over being ruled by a foreign power.

      Oh, you think your example is a good one? It proves the opposite point. The USA managed to fall into the hands of a powerful oligarchy in short order, and even when it finally crimped out nearly a century later over one obvious sticking point, the local plutocrats still managed to get the common man marching to the gallows for them.

      The UK managed to do it much more peacefully. All assuming, of course, that May isn't just another puppet of global, behind-the-scenes puppet masters.

      Of course she isn't, and she's totally not showing her true character by refusing to make her position clear to the public on the terms of Brexit.

    12. Re:Watch all the Freedom-loving Brexiters dance! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The EU was since inception designed to replace the sovereignty of our existing nation-states with another. It has a currency, flags, a President, and military organizations.

      As you can see with how Greece was treated, and the negotiating tactic with Brexit, you cannot negotiate with the EU to get it "back to a common market" since that was never the plan, and it looks like they would rather have Europe in flames than not under their thumb.

    13. Re:Watch all the Freedom-loving Brexiters dance! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > You do realise that we won't be able to do whatever the fuck we want after we leave, right? I mean, no one will agree to do a trade deal with us if re refuse to agree to any rules.

      God you are an idiot.

    14. Re:Watch all the Freedom-loving Brexiters dance! by TheRaven64 · · Score: 1
      You mean directives, passed by the European Commission, under instructions from the Council of Ministers, which is made up entirely of members of the cabinets of the member states?

      On the creosote ban, it was specifically because creosote was found to be significantly more carcinogenic than previously believed. Do you stain those hundreds of yards of fencing yourself? If so, that directive has significantly reduced your likelihood of dying of lung cancer. If not, then it's reduced your ability to employ someone else to work in unsafe conditions. Which of these do you object to?

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    15. Re:Watch all the Freedom-loving Brexiters dance! by TheRaven64 · · Score: 1

      FYI, May was a Bremainer

      Not exactly. She was in favour of remaining part of the information sharing agreements with spy agencies in the rest of the EU, but opposed to remaining bound by the decisions of any international courts. Basically, she wanted power without oversight. She's now decided that Brexit is a good way of achieving this.

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    16. Re:Watch all the Freedom-loving Brexiters dance! by wildstoo · · Score: 1

      but a big deal for me as I maintain several hundred yards of fencing in the damp misty hills of Wales. They are taking big chunks of time out of my life.

      Well, why didn't you say so sooner? I mean, the Tories never stop talking about how much they care about fence-maintainers in Wales! I'm sure you're foremost in their minds when they're considering new policies, being such a large part of their core demographic.

      I'm actually trying to decide whether or not your post is intended as parody. It's that ridiculous.

    17. Re:Watch all the Freedom-loving Brexiters dance! by dave420 · · Score: 1

      You realise you're fitting the brexiteer/UKIP stereotype wonderfully, right? In these very comments you've demonstrated your lack of understanding of what the EU is, and how you are adamantly against your own best interests if they are not packaged up in a bow of your choosing.

      Classy stuff. And no, I'm not saying this because your opinion is different, but because your opinion is dangerous.

    18. Re:Watch all the Freedom-loving Brexiters dance! by Maritz · · Score: 1

      If you might recall, the USA had a revolution over being ruled by a foreign power. The UK managed to do it much more peacefully.

      You think Brexit is like the american revolution? lol

      You have a toddler's view of the world. Holy shit, what a fucking moron you have to be to think those situations are comparable.

      LOL.

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    19. Re:Watch all the Freedom-loving Brexiters dance! by Maritz · · Score: 1

      I was going to say something mean, but then I realised you live in the damp misty hills of Wales. You've enough to deal with.

      Keep voting Tory I'm sure Wales will be a paradise soon once you're rid of all the forrins.

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    20. Re:Watch all the Freedom-loving Brexiters dance! by stealth_finger · · Score: 1

      ho for fucks sake, we never lost power to EU.

      Except having to conform to their numerous orders. Just one example, banning creosote for tarring fences; maybe irrelevant to you (or to EU residents in sunny Spain and Italy, or basement dwellers) ) but a big deal for me as I maintain several hundred yards of fencing in the damp misty hills of Wales. They are taking big chunks of time out of my life.

      So you're prepared to fuck everyone over for your inconvenience and for the sake of several hundred yards of fence? Maybe you should give Trump a shout, I hear he's looking for people that know about fences. Is there any reason they banned this stuff or where they like ' yeah this nukenerd guy, fuck him and his fences'?

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    21. Re:Watch all the Freedom-loving Brexiters dance! by Maritz · · Score: 1

      He's correct, and you're a spastic.

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    22. Re:Watch all the Freedom-loving Brexiters dance! by stealth_finger · · Score: 1

      May is merely implementing the result of the referendum.

      No, May is interpreting and implementing hers, and the tories vision for bexit. No other information was gathered about why people voted in or out. It was a binary choice, which was stated many time before to be advisory and non binding. Then it got a 52/48 split which is little better than a meh, yet she's ploughing ahead full steam for what's looking like a hard exit if we're lucky but the nuclear option is the one they're really gunning for. Is that why you voted for brexit? What exactly did you want from it?

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    23. Re:Watch all the Freedom-loving Brexiters dance! by Maritz · · Score: 1

      If he's a Sun reader, he's their core demographic.

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    24. Re:Watch all the Freedom-loving Brexiters dance! by Maritz · · Score: 1

      I vote for smaller parties, UKIP last time.

      lol. I mean holy fuck. UKIP are getting smaller by the minute mate.

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    25. Re:Watch all the Freedom-loving Brexiters dance! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't particularly support the Tories, not since that Thatcher bitch destroyed most of British manufacturing

      Thatcher was not even in power when the unions and a series of Labour governments destroyed the competitiveness of British manufacturing. The decline may have become most visible during her governments, but is not fair to blame her for the consequences of the deeds of others before her.

    26. Re:Watch all the Freedom-loving Brexiters dance! by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      I was going to say something mean, but then I realised you live in the damp misty hills of Wales. You've enough to deal with.

      The damp. The mist. All the pretty young sheep running away to that London to earn an easy living.

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    27. Re:Watch all the Freedom-loving Brexiters dance! by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      I vote for smaller parties, UKIP last time.

      You were doing really well, then you dropped the ball just before the line.

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  7. "hate speech", the new silver bullet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    With "hate speech" they now have full coverage of the political spectrum. Whether it's "for the children", "against icky porn" or "against hate speech". There's something for every activist to approve. It's a smash hit across Europe.

  8. good luck!! by gtall · · Score: 1

    Good luck defining "hate speech, pornography or other sources of harm," or what it means to direct users towards them. Sounds like a full employment plan for politicians.

    1. Re:good luck!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      That's the easy part: they'll just outsource it to 3rd parties. There's plenty of organisations that love to censor the web and tell people what to think and what not to.

  9. Why these half-way measures? by dschiptsov · · Score: 1

    Let's ban kitchen knifes, smartphones with cameras (because they could be used to make an explicit pictures of teens we love so much) and computers with keyboards on which most of hate speech (including this one) has been written.

  10. "Harmful to minors" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This is the biggest bullshit cop-out the thought police have ever pushed. There's no evidence of any "harm" brought on minors by viewing adult content. Unless you define "harm" to mean "having thoughts and feelings we don't like."

    Remember, a censor is someone who knows more than he thinks YOU should.

    Inappropriate? Yes. Harmful? Laughable.

    1. Re:"Harmful to minors" by gweihir · · Score: 3, Insightful

      It is basically a Victorian agenda with zero scientific evidence as a basis. The one thing it shows is the utterly evil nature of those that push this agenda, nothing else. And of course, this is just the preparation step for full censorship. The UK is already half a police-state, and that universally (if not stopped decisively) devolves into a full police state and ultimately full-blown fascism. The strange thing is that a lot of people in the UK seem to be cheering this process onwards, just like if it never happened in history.

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    2. Re:"Harmful to minors" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The simple fact that the British police can compel a suspect to divulge their password to unlock their smartphone, and possibly their social media passwords, under penalty of imprisonment is sufficient evidence of a police state.

  11. "direct users unintentionally to" by HalAtWork · · Score: 3, Interesting

    "direct users unintentionally to"

    So if it's unintentional that means a bug or error has been found in software designed to define the content

    Are we going to punish companies for bugs? Perhaps the measure should at least allow the companies to address it in a timely manner, or to prove that they were at least attempting to be stringent? A punishment for something unintentional seems a little extreme.

    1. Re:"direct users unintentionally to" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A lawyer didn't write that. Someone who is afraid to boldly go and split infinitives did, and unintentionally the whole sentence.

    2. Re:"direct users unintentionally to" by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      It's not a serious proposal. It's an election promise that will be forgotten as soon as they win, handed to some working group to waste money for a few years and then be quietly dropped.

      Nice bit of distraction from the other computer problems and their enhanced, near real-time surveillance powers that they plan to bring in. Shame that didn't get more media coverage.

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    3. Re:"direct users unintentionally to" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      She also apparently thinks that the UK government can order social media companies to remove the posting history of any given person once they reach the age of 18, yet more evidence of her and her party's cluelessness.

      She's been hiding from the public since calling the election. The right wing press have been making much of Labour's pledge to borrow money to invest in infrastructure - the usual "tax and spend" bullshit - yet the figure is less than half what the "fiscally sound" Tories have borrowed in the last couple of years alone. The Tories have also seen the national debt rise by a colossal amount despite this "austerity" they keep telling us is for our own good.

      But until Murdoch, Dacre et al are shot for treason, or people develop a little self-awareness and an ability to understand the bullshit they're being fed, I suspect we'll be stuck with the party of the rich. The health service is on its knees - the ransomware issue of this week is indicative of underfunding - and that suits the Tories down to the ground. A Tory government exists to shrink the state to pay for tax cuts for the rich. That's all. This is why the whole "Labour want to take us back to the 1970s" argument is so funny: the Tories want to take us back to Victorian Britain, workhouses and all.

    4. Re:"direct users unintentionally to" by Cederic · · Score: 1

      The right wing press have been making much of Labour's pledge to borrow money to invest in infrastructure - the usual "tax and spend" bullshit - yet the figure is less than half what the "fiscally sound" Tories have borrowed in the last couple of years alone

      That may be because Labour are planning to spend everything the Conservatives are planning to spend plus more besides and with this additional borrowing on top of all of that.

      The Tories have also seen the national debt rise by a colossal amount despite this "austerity" they keep telling us is for our own good.

      But you must surely see this as a good thing, given your support for Labour spending even more?

  12. Next Article: Britain is pulled from Internet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Next Article: Britain is disconnected from the Internet to avoid all content they cannot control.

    No more available on this story, since we've been unable to communicate with anyone actually in Britain.

    Realistically, the best they can hope for is getting other European countries to follow. They'll never get the USA to follow - freedom of speech, even unpopular, is protected. We have very unpopular groups spewing all sorts of crap over here. They are using their "freedom of speech."
    It is also why our elections can be bought - freedom of speech - it trumps almost every other law, except the national security laws (it seems).

    1. Re:Next Article: Britain is pulled from Internet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      freedom of speech, even unpopular, is protected

      Freedom of speech is only protected from the government. Corporations can censor all they want and they are all too happy to do it, especially the big internet corporations and social media.

    2. Re:Next Article: Britain is pulled from Internet by Applehu+Akbar · · Score: 1

      Next Article: Britain is disconnected from the Internet to avoid all content they cannot control.

      InterExit?

    3. Re:Next Article: Britain is pulled from Internet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, just more mission creep for the Internet Watch Foundation...

      captcha - insular

    4. Re: Next Article: Britain is pulled from Internet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is the government telling the corporations to censor.

      Well, that and they don't really have that right, this is in the UK. They don't even want this right.

  13. Same old by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Protect private information by digitising it all in insecure systems (NHS) or collating it all in databases to protect the majority of non criminals from having to think we're not being watched without reason.

    I feel safer already...

  14. Not a PM Candidate by Pop69 · · Score: 4, Informative

    We don't directly elect our Prime Minister so Theresa May isn't a PM candidate. Wish people would get this right

    1. Re:Not a PM Candidate by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yous guys got an Electrical Collage too huh? Lol.

      Trump! Trump! Trump!

    2. Re:Not a PM Candidate by AthanasiusKircher · · Score: 0

      We don't directly elect our Prime Minister so Theresa May isn't a PM candidate.

      From Merriam-Webster:

      1a: one that aspires to or is nominated or qualified for an office, membership, or award [Examples:] a candidate for governor -- a candidate for "Manager of the Year" -- the best candidate for the job

      If you prefer the OED, the definition reads:

      1. a. One who seeks or aspires to be elected or appointed to an office, privilege, or position of honour, or who is put forward or selected by others as an aspirant

      Does Theresa May aspire to be elected to an office? Yes. Has she been "put forward or selected by others" as that aspirant? Yes, as party leader, she has been put forward as the likely person they would choose for PM, if they maintain control.

      Unless you think it's reasonable to think Theresa May will lose her own local MP election, it seems rather pedantic to claim that she is not a "candidate" for PM. Whether one can be a "candidate" has absolutely no relationship to whether a popular vote is involved. The US public doesn't directly elect its President either (as many were surprised to discover recently). Does that mean people who run are not "candidates" either?

    3. Re:Not a PM Candidate by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      Does Theresa May aspire to be elected to an office? Yes.

      That office would be the MP for wherever it is, PM.

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    4. Re:Not a PM Candidate by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      ... *not* PM.

      Preview schmeview.

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    5. Re:Not a PM Candidate by jez9999 · · Score: 1

      We basically do. If you help the Conservative candidate get in, you're helping Theresa May become PM.

    6. Re:Not a PM Candidate by colinwb · · Score: 1

      That's true in theory, but not in practice, at least not in practice in this 2017 General Election.

      As evidence for this consider the Conservative "battle bus". If you double click on the top photo on that page to enlarge it (or alternatively click this link), and then look *very* carefully just under the window on the open door at the front you might be able to just make out the word "Conservatives". If you have the eyes of a hawk.

    7. Re:Not a PM Candidate by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Is there a general election coming around the corner? That would explain the choice of words, somewhat.

    8. Re:Not a PM Candidate by Maritz · · Score: 1

      Go look up what the word 'candidate' means. Then you can apologise to everybody.

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    9. Re:Not a PM Candidate by Maritz · · Score: 1

      If you win your seat, you're an MP. If you're the leader of the party that holds a majority, you're the PM. Done.

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    10. Re:Not a PM Candidate by houghi · · Score: 1

      To be fair, she also isn't. In fact everybody in the UK would be a PM candidate, no matter how unlikely it is that they become one.

      You could start introducing yourself like that:
      Hello, I am Pop69, PM candidate.

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    11. Re:Not a PM Candidate by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      Let me guess, American?

      It's merely a convention, and a fairly recent one at that. Quite a few PMs have been peers, who are not even allowed to be MPs. The last one was well within living memory.

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    12. Re:Not a PM Candidate by lgw · · Score: 1

      No, sorry, she aspires to be PM. She's a job candidate, indirect though the selection process is. Insisting on some personal definition of "candidate" here won't help the discussion any.

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  15. Law of Unintended Consequences by hyades1 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    This could go a long way toward persuading average Brits they should protect their privacy...and make it considerably more difficult for law enforcement to sort out the really bad stuff from relatively harmless things.

    For example, if I were an ISP, I'd probably start offering discounts to customers based on the level of internet security they were willing to employ. If a customer was willing to make it impossible or incredibly difficult and expensive for me to determine what sites they were visiting, I'd be willing to knock quite a bit off their monthly internet bill.

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    1. Re: Law of Unintended Consequences by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If only that would happen. Sadly it's more the case of "fuck it you're paying extra for the privilege of no privacy"

    2. Re:Law of Unintended Consequences by oic0 · · Score: 1

      The value of the data gained from spying likely outweighs the regulatory load.

    3. Re:Law of Unintended Consequences by hyades1 · · Score: 1

      For the government and information aggregators, no doubt you're right. But the ISP's get most of the headache and little of the reward. Don't you think government is likely to just force them to give up the information? And parties interested in buying it won't pay an ISP anywhere near what the data are worth.

      Maybe I'm wrong, but I don't see getting caught between predatory data gatherers and soon-to-be-furious victims as a long term strategy for a happy business life.

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    4. Re:Law of Unintended Consequences by dave420 · · Score: 1

      Britain just voted to leave the protection of the EU data protection regulations - clearly they don't seem to care too much about this on the whole.

    5. Re:Law of Unintended Consequences by Maritz · · Score: 1

      This could go a long way toward persuading average Brits they should protect their privacy...

      No. Would be nice, but no. Much, much, more concerned with getting rid of foreigners. Foreigner in this instance means foreign-looking, not necessarily a nationality thing.

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  16. Free speech by JWW · · Score: 1, Troll

    Free speech dies when social justice is "enforced".

    One persons hate speech is their political enemies voice. How convienient!!

    1. Re:Free speech by Gort65 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Free speech dies when social justice is "enforced".

      So you think that Teresa May and the Conservatives are concerned with enforcing "social justice"? Then again, maybe you're so far to the right of her that it feels that way.

    2. Re:Free speech by geek · · Score: 0

      Whats sad is that Europe has gone so far left they actually think Teresa May is on the right.

    3. Re:Free speech by StillAnonymous · · Score: 1

      "The people cannot be legislated into morality."

      See: The Sordid Origin of Hate Speech Laws

    4. Re:Free speech by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      you must be an american if you think europe is far left, in comparison to europe May is just to the left of Hitler and Stalin..

    5. Re:Free speech by serviscope_minor · · Score: 1

      Whats sad is that Europe has gone so far left they actually think Teresa May is on the right.

      Uhhh, dude, are you actually praising the historic far right in Europe?

      Like, for real...?

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    6. Re:Free speech by jeremyp · · Score: 1

      No I'd say "far right" is anybody claiming that it's more important to protect people's rights to cary lethal weapons in public than to provide them with healthcare. That's extreme FU right.

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    7. Re:Free speech by BlueStrat · · Score: 1

      No I'd say "far right" is anybody claiming that it's more important to protect people's rights to cary lethal weapons in public than to provide them with healthcare. That's extreme FU right.

      Everybody has the natural right to defend themselves despite what any government tells you.

      Nobody has the right to force another person to work for them. We used to call it "slavery" and found it abhorrent, now it's called "nationalized services" and it's great as long as it wasn't your career-field that was nationalized.

      "But I wasn't a doctor, so I didn't speak out..."

      Strat

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    8. Re:Free speech by Cederic · · Score: 1

      What the fuck does nationalisation have to do with slavery?

      The civil service in pretty much every country is nationalised. Are you saying they're all slaves?

      Federal law enforcement in the US is nationalised. Are FBI agents all slaves?

      Or are you just stupid?

    9. Re: Free speech by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Err... Haven't you seen their previous posts? The best part is that they believe themselves to be a genius and they claim to be working on the greatest economic theory ever theorized. When you see what it consists of, it will crack you up. It's pretty funny.

      However, they are mostly harmless and should stick around. There are many dumber people, here. They should go away, but Strat should stay. Like I said, he is mostly harmless and not entirely stupid.

    10. Re:Free speech by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Or are you just stupid?

      Bluestrat is actually a paid progandist who posts inane and moronic comments to make the right-wing look bad.

    11. Re:Free speech by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      These people get confused because they incorrectly associate the political goals, issues and even definitions of their own right and left to the political spectrum of other countries.

    12. Re:Free speech by Maritz · · Score: 1

      American presumably? You all appear to think that anything to the left of hitler is fucking Karl Marx. Retards.

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    13. Re:Free speech by Maritz · · Score: 1

      Nobody has the right to force another person to work for them. We used to call it "slavery" and found it abhorrent, now it's called "nationalized services" and it's great as long as it wasn't your career-field that was nationalized.

      Civil servants are slaves folks, you heard it here first. Well paid slaves with great job security, holidays and pensions.

      No other comment required or offered.

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    14. Re:Free speech by Maritz · · Score: 1

      Or are you just stupid?

      Bluestrat is actually a paid progandist who posts inane and moronic comments to make the right-wing look bad.

      Yeah, no.

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    15. Re:Free speech by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Or are you just stupid?

      Bluestrat is actually a paid progandist who posts inane and moronic comments to make the right-wing look bad.

      Yeah, no.

      It's the simplest explanation, no matter how unlikely it may seem. You have to work hard at being that kind of imbecile.

      Let's just see BlueStrat's tax returns. That'll reveal the truth.

    16. Re:Free speech by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      Whats sad is that Europe has gone so far left they actually think Teresa May is on the right.

      Hey look everybody, it's an American!

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    17. Re:Free speech by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Piss off, reject. Things are what they are. Healthcare is not the responsibility of our government. The constitution does protect the right to bear arms.

      I would ask you to read it, but apparently you foreigners can't read properly. See, I can be insulting just like you!

    18. Re:Free speech by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hitler was a national SOCIALIST and Stalin was a commie. Are you sure you want somebody even further left of either?

    19. Re:Free speech by lgw · · Score: 1

      Sure, they did their best to stop Hitler's socialist party, left-wing as they come, from taking power. Sure, they failed, but they fought the good fight.

      But keep pretending that the National Socialist party wasn't what it was if it helps you sleep better. Pretty much post-Napoleon (no idea where to put him), every totalitarian state was left-wing, and every sufficiently left-wing state was totalitarian. That's just how this works.

      More central government power == more central government power. It's what the left does. It's all they do.

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  17. For so much moralizing... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ... these people sure have huge hard-ons for cracking down on porn (i.e. nudity of any extent). All for the children, of course.

    1. Re:For so much moralizing... by gweihir · · Score: 1

      And the funny thing is that when too young, children just do not care about porn (so no harm done), and when not too young anymore, they manage to get access to it anyways (with, as far as science can determine, no harm done). What is pushed here is a fundamental religious agenda, that is not based on actual facts. There is no scientific evidence that porn does harm to children. The only thing that is needed is for parents to put it into context, i.e. explain that these are models and athletes and that no, real people do not perform like that or have an anatomy like that and real sex works a bit differently. That done, any possible harm vanishes.

      There really is something mentally broken in the people that want to ban porn.

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    2. Re:For so much moralizing... by nukenerd · · Score: 1

      The only thing that is needed is for parents to .... explain that these are models and athletes and that no, real people do not perform like that or have an anatomy like that and real sex works a bit differently.

      Are you speaking for yourself or for all of us?

      That done, any possible harm vanishes.

      Wow, that's easy then. Any ideas how to solve world hunger while you are on a roll?

    3. Re:For so much moralizing... by serviscope_minor · · Score: 1

      Are you speaking for yourself or for all of us?

      All of us. By the way, in case you're about to try it, claiming you have the anatomy of a pornstar, on the internet, while anonymous is super credible. So we'll all defo believe it.

      Wow, that's easy then.

      It really is in this case.

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    4. Re:For so much moralizing... by Maritz · · Score: 1

      She's a vicar's daughter. Enough said.

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  18. The simple solution is by nehumanuscrede · · Score: 1

    Simply to deny use of any Social media to anyone who is considered a minor.

    Problem solved.

    Far cheaper and easier a solution than to try and mediate every post, image and video that can be found there.

    1. Re:The simple solution is by gweihir · · Score: 1

      That would probably be a good idea. Unworkable in practice though.

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    2. Re:The simple solution is by misexistentialist · · Score: 1

      everyone is a minor in the nanny state, except maybe healthy white males, who are felons

    3. Re:The simple solution is by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Kinda like this idea then.

  19. No major website arose in the UK by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    While UK citizens embraced the web with the same enthusiasm they had once embraced the home computer revolution, no Google or Yahoo or Youtube or the like ever arose in the UK. And that was because DRACONIAN UK laws from long before the new Orwellian net specific ones made Brits terrified of government response to any signs of real people-power online. The UK is the home of the rael police state- and it is all the worse because the goons that rule the UK use 'velvet gloves' with iron fists inside, but successfully propagandise their vile anti-Human actions as 'for the greater good' on state controlled mainstream media outles like the BBC, ITV and all major UK newspapers.

    The newspapers and the BBC in particular specialise in the 'rabid dog' attacks- so if your service has ANY 'offending' content, the media scum state it should be shut down. So no British Google, Alta Vista, Yahoo, major forum services etc- cos all of them run the risk of 'difficult' use of freedom of speech- a no-no in Britian. Of course, the FOREIGN run services have been left alone til now while enough Brits addicted to the Internet and the tech arose to allow the British Deep State to control and censor them absolutely while still benefitting from GCHQ data-mining of ordinary Brits' digital lives.

    There is no free speech in the UK- instead you are 'free' to say anything the government approves of. Only 'criminals' wish to 'abuse' free speech to say things the mainstream media describe as 'bad' so obviously Britain must have laws to criminalise such speech- and that includes all forms of non-'normal' sexuality outside the currently trendy 'gay' stuff. Britain's 'gay' politicians have all lined up behind the new laws banning other forms of 'alternative' sexuality online- and that tells you all you need to know about the real 'gay' agenda currently pushed by politicians across the West. But of course the same 'pro-gay' politicians all support Saudi Arabia and its Wahhabi agenda across the once peaceful secular Muslim world, bringing heavy anti-'gay' actions into nations that were more than tolerant only a decade or so back. Sane people judge politicians by their DEEDS not words, and people like Clinton and May have tireless worked to spread the anti-female, anti-gay extremist Islamic terrorism of Saudi Arabia across Iraq, Libya, Syria, Yemen, North and Central Africa etc.

    May is a monster fronting for far worse monsters, but Britain has no Trump as an option, just another monster, Corbyn, whose job it is to be so awful that people vote for May. Clinton was supposed to win the election the same way, by facing Republican candidates chosen specifically for their hopelessness. This is why Trump came as such a nasty surprise to the Deep State fixers of both major US parties.

    1. Re:No major website arose in the UK by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      have you ran out of medication?, please go see your doctor, before you hurt yourself or others, you seem to be making no fucking sense

  20. "Think of the children!" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The nanny state is at it again. Instead of limiting access to the kids, they limit everybody else.

  21. Not on this planet by nospam007 · · Score: 1

    They really do live in a different universe than us, just like Juncker said, after that dinner with P.M. May.

    They have many illusions and this is another one.

  22. THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS A PM CANDIDATE by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Prime Minister is not, in itself, an elected position. It is a position held, by the leader of the party which forms the government after an election (whether in a majority or a minority) Potentially ()although it is very unlikely) Theresa May's party might win and she might not actually get elected in her constituency - at that point she could NOT be Prime Minister.

    1. Re:THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS A PM CANDIDATE by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      TRUMP TRUMP TRUMP

    2. Re:THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS A PM CANDIDATE by nukenerd · · Score: 2

      Theresa May's party might win and she might not actually get elected in her constituency - at that point she could NOT be Prime Minister.

      Yes she could. It is not a PM's job requirement to be a member of parliament, either in the Commons or the Lords. In 1963 Alec Douglas-Home was PM for a time in that position. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

      What would happen is that a Tory in a safe seat would resign, a by-election would ensue in which May would be the Tory candidate and win.

      The British Prime Minister is actually chosen by the Queen. Don't worry, she won't choose you or me.

  23. But banning "hate speech" is totally Ok by mi · · Score: 2, Insightful

    UK already has hate speech laws, which must've been fine with you. And they are not "obsolete", but actively prosecuted.

    Which was so cool with the "anti Tories", their Illiberal American brethren would love such laws to come to the land of the First Amendment — to the annoyance of the earlier generation of Illiberals, flabbergasted at what their rhetoric lead to.

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    1. Re:But banning "hate speech" is totally Ok by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 4, Insightful

      UK already has hate speech laws, which must've been fine with you.

      Representative democracy doesn't work that way. Just because the party in power implements a particular law, that does not mean the voters are "fine with it". The choices in an election have a very coarse granularity. You vote for a party, not particular policies. If you vote for Labour so that you get more enlightened censorship laws, then you also get a PM that thinks the British economy should be more like Venezuela's. People care about their paycheck more than they care about the free speech rights of Holocaust deniers, but that doesn't mean that every Tory voter supports censorship.

    2. Re:But banning "hate speech" is totally Ok by mi · · Score: 1

      that does not mean the voters are "fine with it"

      It does mean exactly that. A particular voter — and even their entire circle of friends and acquaintances — may be against it, but the voters overall are fine. But that's irrelevant, because I was not talking about Britain's entire electorate.

      Were Njorthbiatr and the anonymous coward above me in this thread among dissenters? Most unlikely...

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  24. Doesn't Theresa have a website? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    http://www.tmay.co.uk/

    So this is it, the base line for acceptable content on the Web in the UK.

  25. A source of income by petes_PoV · · Score: 1
    It's not got anything to do with understanding. If this can be passed into law and fines imposed for the new "illegal" activity, that is a source of government income.

    It's far better than taxes since it doesn't take money from citizens. It doesn't affect domestic internet companies since all the big social media outfits are american. In fact it is "free" cash.

    There are plenty of cases of the US government fining foreign companies for contravening its laws. Many times they have to pay $$$$ billions. So if european governments can get some revenue by tapping american companies, it's just part fo the same game.

    And since many american companies have huge stashes of money that they refuse to repatriate to the US, as they would get heavily taxed on it, it's not as if the home-country is losing anything, either.

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  26. Nanny state chilling effect... by XSportSeeker · · Score: 1

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...
    Excerpt: "The country was listed among the "Enemies of the Internet" in 2014 by Reporters Without Borders,[6] a category of countries with the highest level of internet censorship and surveillance that "mark themselves out not just for their capacity to censor news and information online but also for their almost systematic repression of Internet users".[7] Other major economies listed in this category include China, Iran, Pakistan, Russia and Saudi Arabia."

    It ends basically with internet related companies fleeing the country, a great firewall blocking external country access, and government level persecution of businesses and companies.

    On the other hand, this goes directly against:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...
    Excerpt: "It also enhanced existing defences, by introducing a defence for website operators hosting user-generated content (provided they comply with a procedure to enable the complainant to resolve disputes directly with the author of the material concerned or otherwise remove it), and introducing new statutory defences of truth, honest opinion, and "publication on a matter of public interest" or privileged publications (including peer reviewed scientific journals), to replace the common law defences of justification, fair comment, and the Reynolds defence respectively. However, it did not quite codify defamation law into a single statute.[4][5]"

    It goes one way or the other. Political speeches have no effect in matters that are already estabilished. The whole thing sounds reactionary and not well thought through. As if this was a new thing... but I guess congratulations for Theresa May's party for realizing something that has been going on over 20 years now.

    1. Re:Nanny state chilling effect... by hyades1 · · Score: 2

      This has nothing to do with the so-called "Nanny State". It has everything to do with predatory fascists grabbing as much control as they can over the lives of average people. The Nanny State is a well-intentioned but overprotective government constantly trying to guard its people from the consequences of their own actions. For the current crop of far-right wannabe dictators currently consolidating their control of former democracies in the US, the UK and elsewhere, protecting people is an excuse. Naked power and absolute control are the objectives.

      The middle class is a luxury the fascists are no longer willing to afford. They want subjects, not citizens, and will do whatever it takes to create that power dynamic. Trying to equate these creatures with a benevolent but misguided government of well-intentioned socialists is both misguided and dangerous.

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    2. Re: Nanny state chilling effect... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You have a definition for 'far right' that I don't grok. Could you elaborate, for me?

      Where would you put Stalin, for example? Hitler? Pol Pot? Chairman Mao? Amin? Hussein? Khomeini?

      If you do elaborate, feel free to be verbose and detailed. I can read and, I think, I am reasonably intelligent. Thanks, in advance. This is not my domain and my request is sincere.

    3. Re: Nanny state chilling effect... by hyades1 · · Score: 1

      Apologies, but AC's are too often trolls, so I don't respond at length to them.

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  27. You can take the daughter out of the vicarage ... by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

    You can take the daughter out of the vicarage, but you can't take the vicarage out of the daughter.

    Not that anything will happen. It's just throwing a bone to Daily Mail readers which is pretty pointless as they're all dedicated Tory voters, especially now the BNP has imploded.

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  28. Hypocricy alert! by smugfunt · · Score: 1

    The Conservative digital platform also promises to better protect Brits' personal information, compelling social media companies to trash user records from before the age of 18.

    Will that be before or after they have to hand them over to the secret police under the new Snooper's Charter?

    1. Re: Hypocricy alert! by BellyJelly · · Score: 1

      "Will that be before or after they have to hand them over to the secret police under the new Snooper's Charter?" Neither. That data will have been slurped live in real time once end-to-end encryption is banned.

  29. F society by mad7777 · · Score: 1

    Says Theresa May:
    "The internet has brought a wealth of opportunity but also significant new risks which have evolved faster than society's response to them."

    And by "society" you mean... you? The government?

    Government is not nor should it act on behalf of "society". Try understanding the difference, and we can all get along just fine.

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    1. Re: F society by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I disagree.

      You appear to be talking about an ideal. So, humbly, assuming we speak of ideals, I disagree. In an ideal world, government would be irrevocably intertwined with society, both representing it and being a part of it. They, the members of government, would be without elevated class status and be members of that society. Society would be as much a part of government as anything else.

      Maybe I am not understanding you.

    2. Re:F society by Maritz · · Score: 1

      Where you're going wrong is: you're assuming that she means what she says. She doesn't mean it. She doesn't give a fuck about helping keep children safe. She cares about a power grab.

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    3. Re: F society by mad7777 · · Score: 1

      I think you understand me just fine. The problem is that everybody has their own "ideal" of what a perfect society would look like. The trick is to make the important distinction between one's personal preferences and what should carry the weight of the law. I may find people who wear backwards baseball caps really annoying... but it's a far cry from there to proposing a law against this kind of headgear. Too many people believe the government exists to do their personal bidding, to point guns at people who are not like them.

      This is why government is not society. There are just too many opinions about what a society should look like.

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  30. Good idea by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This wat we can ban all promotion of conservative party policies. I can quit clearly be demonstrated that tories are harmful, not just to minors, but to anyone who values healthcare, education, job security, peace, and competent government.

  31. PM is not an Elected Position by Roger+W+Moore · · Score: 2

    Does Theresa May aspire to be elected to an office?

    Yes, she does but only for Member of Parliament, NOT Prime Minister. The position of PM is not an elected one but an appointed one. The reigning monarch chooses the PM but by long-standing tradition always picks the leader of the party with a majority of seats in the commons. The PM remains in office until either they step down or they are fired by the monarch. They may also have to step down if they lose a confidence motion but I'm not sure whether that is legally binding or whether it just means that they have lost the ability to govern so they always do step down.

    So she really is not a "candidate for PM" but just a leader of her party who is seeking re-election and, if her party gets enough seats, she will be appointed PM and command enough support in the commons to be able to hold the position.

    1. Re:PM is not an Elected Position by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > So she really is not a "candidate for PM"

      No really she is. She and her party are fighting on that basis, and should she achieve a majority is it extremely unlikely that she would not be PM.

    2. Re:PM is not an Elected Position by AthanasiusKircher · · Score: 1

      Re-read the definition. There are plenty of examples where the word "candidates" is referring to someone also ultimately appointed to a position. Whether you consider her elected by her party as leader and hence PM or you consider her appointed by the monarch as PM, she can still be a "candidate" aspiring for that position. She may not be a candidate for election to PM, but that doesn't mean she can't be a "candidate" for such a position, just as there are "candidates" for a job that are appointments chosen by an employer. Perhaps it's not the typical British usage for the term in this context, but it's a perfectly reasonable use of the English word that clearly relates to its standard meaning.

  32. It's OK, Someone Else Will Take the UK's Place by theshowmecanuck · · Score: 1

    If the UK make themselves irrelevant by hamstringing their ability to adapt and work in 'high tech', some other country will take over for them. So the rest of the world will be OK. The UK will suffer for her policies, and eventually she'll be fired in another election. Unless of course the opposition parties keep running fucktard incompetents. It's up to Britains to figure out whether they like her policies or not and act accordingly.

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    1. Re:It's OK, Someone Else Will Take the UK's Place by Maritz · · Score: 1

      The UK electorate will vote in whoever the Sun and the Daily Mail tell them to. I don't see them changing their minds from Tories, so it'll be Tories from here on out. The really amusing bit is that they moan about the state of the NHS, and then overwhelmingly vote in a party that is determined to sell it off. Pretty funny when you think about it.

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    2. Re:It's OK, Someone Else Will Take the UK's Place by dave420 · · Score: 1

      You didn't touch on the broken voting system in the UK which seems to do all it can to ensure this problem isn't fixed.

  33. Imagine: No Liberals! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    to the annoyance of the earlier generation of Illiberals flabbergasted at what their rhetoric lead to

    A stitch in time saves nine: If only we had restricted that dangerous earlier generation liberal rhetoric we'd be spared the threat of censorship now. Ban the ACLU now to protect civil liberties!

    1. Re:Imagine: No Liberals! by mi · · Score: 1

      To "restrict" something you don't like for others is a typical Illiberal response. No, we should not have banned or restricted their rhetoric. We (more of us) should've foreseen, what it would lead to — and started ridiculing it — earlier.

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  34. Not the first time by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Politician makes vague promises during election campaign, news at eleven.

    1. Re:Not the first time by Maritz · · Score: 1

      She promised to make herself and her government more powerful. Expect her to follow through on that.

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  35. Does Slashdot count? lets test: by tomxor · · Score: 1

    Fuck you May! does that count as hate speech? You are 1984 incarnate May!... I wonder, will she also require all history on the internet to be retroactively re-written... check back here to find out in 6 months! FUCK YOU MAY!!! wooo.

  36. oh? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Representative democracy doesn't work that way...

    Why don't we fix it, then?

    1. Re:oh? by slashdotwannabe · · Score: 1

      President Kim Jong Trump? Is that you again?

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  37. Interesting by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Whatever happened to parental responsibility? The parents are responsible to monitor what their children are doing online, not the government.