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Silicon Valley Is Too Focused On Taking the Easy Path in Health Care (cnbc.com)

Silicon Valley investors are increasingly looking at health space, but they are mostly eyeing for opportunities on the fringes of the traditional health care system to avoid long and complicated regulatory cycles, an analysis on CNBC shows. As a result of this, these start-ups will not help low-income and chronically ill patients who need innovation most. From the article: Founders often talk about about how challenging it can be to break into the multi-trillion dollar medical sector. Health care startups face regulatory hurdles, long sales cycles and a high burden of proof -- and that means it can take more than a decade to make a return. As a result, many venture-backed entrepreneurs are looking instead at opportunities on the fringes of the health care system, such as cash-only health services that don't require insurance or tests and apps that aren't regulated by the U.S. Food and Drug Administration. For tech investors, these opportunities hold the chance of an outsized return in five years or less. That often valuations on par with consumer Internet start-ups. [...] Many entrepreneurs acknowledge this, but justify their approach by promising to focus on more at-risk groups once they've nailed the product.

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  1. Brilliant by stephenmac7 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    They've figured out that the regulations they're always pushing for make it near-impossible to compete with established companies and hurt innovation.

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    1. Re:Brilliant by Luthair · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I have some snake oil it cures cancer and makes you live 50% longer. Would you like to buy some?

    2. Re:Brilliant by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2

      Some regulations do - the patent system is an example. The system was actually designed to help innovation, however in its current form it harms innovation more.

      However, regulations in some actors are needed in order to protect you from greedy profiteers that would sell you about anything to make a quick profit. Healthcare is an example.

    3. Re:Brilliant by cayenne8 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      They've figured out that the regulations they're always pushing for make it near-impossible to compete with established companies and hurt innovation.

      Yep....

      I think the reply to them is pretty much, "Duh".....

      That's the way it is with overly onerous regulations...it ONLY helps the big guys that can afford to fund a full department dedicated to only the regulation and documentation side of the business.

      It is understandable in some respects, due to this being medicine...lives can be affected by errors, but the regulations aren't just targeted at direct patient interaction...but many other things.

      It does bring up, however, questions as to how some parts are SO over-regulated, yet direct patient contact items, like heart regulators, insulin and other drug pumps are able to be put out there, without even *basic* encryption, so as to protect patients from being literally hacked, and possibly killed.

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    4. Re:Brilliant by elrous0 · · Score: 5, Interesting

      While I might normally be inclined to agree with you, I have to point out that regulation in the healthcare industry is there for a very important reason. When you're dealing with human bodies and human lives, you need a very carefully regulated system to prevent someone's mistake from turning into a disaster that costs a lot of lives or causes a lot of harm.

      For example, those annoying regulations that require extensive clinical trials and testing of new drugs are there for a very good reasons. They're in place to prevent disasters like what happened in West Germany and the UK in the 1950's, when the drug Thalidomide was okayed for sale without adequate testing.

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    5. Re:Brilliant by Kohath · · Score: 4, Informative

      It's not so much regulations. Health care needs regulations. It's that US regulators are notoriously bad at it. My friends in the medical device business do most of their work in places like Germany and other Northern European countries because the regulators are strict, but they do their jobs predictably and in a timely manner. They shun the US because the regulators are sloppier and everything takes forever in the US.

    6. Re:Brilliant by MightyYar · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Regulations are good and necessary to a free market, but established players tend to get regulations which are not good or necessary for a free market tacked on. Governments get in on the action to try to extract money and craft perks for their special interests. Sometimes the unnecessary regulations are simply the result of well-meaning officials who think they are improving upon what a free market could deliver, but in reality have the effect of freezing the state of the art.

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    7. Re:Brilliant by interkin3tic · · Score: 5, Insightful

      It is understandable in some respects, due to this being medicine...lives can be affected by errors, but the regulations aren't just targeted at direct patient interaction...but many other things.

      Just to be clear, interactions with the patient are only a tiny slice of what can kill a patient. Making sure a drug companies' formulation facilities are bacterial-free is pretty far removed from patient interactions.

      If you're making a test blood poisoning, that's never going to be put into a patient. You want to be sure the raw components are bacterial free though obviously or else the tests are going to be useless and doctors won't know if they're facing blood poisoning or something else. To make sure the raw components are bacterial free you want the facilities to be bacterial free. If you find bacteria, you need to shut down production while you sterilize everything. That's a huge cost.

      If you're trying to start selling a cheaper test and you get a report saying you need to shut down production for a week, any sane business is going to say "Hmm... that will kill us... is it REALLY necessary to shut down if we have three bacterial colonies on a single plate? Lets talk to the undergrad who reported the test, ask him if he really wants everyone to lose their jobs? 'Isn't it maybe possible you accidentally sneezed on the plate?'"

      Easy to justify: you know your facilities are clean, you spend a shit ton of money cleaning them. And that's just like the doors! That's not even the production vats! No way is the whole thing contaminated. Plus these aren't even going to go into people... You do testing of all the lots of blood tests, you'll know if they're compromised... And besides, any doctor worth his salt is going to be able to identify SEPSIS without a %100.00000000 accurate blood test, it's so common! Fire the kid and ship it.

      Regulations are necessary especially when it's not directly interacting with a patient. Yes they are huge barriers to efficiency, granted, but healthcare is simply not a place the free market works at any level. The end result is not sales, it's literally life or death. Society simply does not tolerate that. Investors who get into healthcare and deceive themselves into thinking it is a free market deserve to lose their money. Politicians and pundits who try to reform healthcare towards "free market" are deceiving themselves and or the public, and deserve to be thrown out of their jobs hard. If they try to exempt themselves from such "free market" solutions while subjecting everyone else to it, they deserve literal crucifixion even if they do claim it's just a reconciliation loophole they'll totally close later.

    8. Re:Brilliant by Archangel+Michael · · Score: 3, Insightful

      All regulations do. The fact that we don't document every regulation stifles innovation (And spurs innovation in other areas), we don't know exactly where the wash is.

      Every regulation takes from production, and transfers it to compliance.

      FYI, this is neither "good" nor "bad", it just is. Some regulations are needed, others just get in the way, duplicate other regulations, run counter to others etc. The fact that we rarely look at the consequences for regulations, and make adjustment, enhancements, and revoke so very few ineffective ones is my actual frustration in the whole process.

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  2. the problem... INVESTORS.... by starblazer · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I bet you three fiddy that Silicon Valley wants to tackle these problems, but its the INVESTORS that control the pocketbooks of Silicon Valley that don't want to take the risk on. The long game, pfffft, what's that? Humanity? Pffft!

    1. Re:the problem... INVESTORS.... by jimbolauski · · Score: 2

      If the employees are good with going without a paycheck for a year or so while all the regulations are met then take a pay cut because they don't want to be accused of gouging their customers I'm sure investors would jump on board.

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  3. F*ck the poor by mveloso · · Score: 2

    Why sell to people with no money?

    1. Re:F*ck the poor by mveloso · · Score: 2

      "Modern countries" have their free healthcare paid for by high taxes and government redistribution. That's one way to do it, but not necessarily a better way.

    2. Re:F*ck the poor by Bob+the+Super+Hamste · · Score: 2

      Come on now. If it weren't' for those executives healthcare would be even more expensive. They try and cut costs as much as possible to ensure that every department shows a profit. Even the guys in maintenance. /sarcasm

      I wish I weren't joking but my father (biomedical repair technician) has had the joy of dealing with several managers like this over the years. One questioned why they had so many different spools of hosing and suggested that they order just what they need. The problem is that they basically do keep on hand what they need as that stuff has predefined replacement intervals so since they know they have X machines that take Y feet of Z hose N times a year they have a pretty good idea of how much hose they need. Same thing with other parts and components. That manager wanted to turn the bio meds into a profit center instead of a cost center. There were other cases where managers got into a pissing match over what repair should be done and who was going to pay for it. Like the one where if the device was sent back to the manufacturer it would be charged to the surgery department at like $5000 but if the bio meds opened the device and replaced the broken component it would only cost $700 but would be charged to the bio med department. That argument took a couple of weeks to resolve and required the intervention of a VP.

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  4. Most startups seem focused on weeding out the weak by xxxJonBoyxxx · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Most of the "health" startups seem focused on weeding out the weak, as in "let X voluntarily track your activities and single you out for unaffordable health premiums if you aren't young/healthy/kid-free enough to meet our wearable device targets." So yes, if it seems that the chronically ill are being pushed off the map, well it's by design.

  5. no, really by paiute · · Score: 3, Insightful

    " promising to focus on more at-risk groups once they've nailed the product"

    I totally believe you, pal.

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  6. Re:The future is in offshore data processing by jeff4747 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I sent my genome to a server in eastern europe to get a detailed health report because the FDA won't let 23andme present all of the information.

    That's largely because the information 23andme wants to present has not been proven to be true.

    So....fuck the system for trying to prevent 23andme from lying to you, so that you don't go on a medical vacation to treat a disease you don't actually have.

    Makes perfect sense.

  7. The long game's too risky by rsilvergun · · Score: 2, Interesting

    There's an excellent chance we're going to move to single payer in the next 20 years. The big money isn't in care, it's in being a middle man that skims 10% off the top. A shift to single payer gets rid of most if not all of those middle men...

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  8. Re:tech innovation causes chronic ills? by alvinrod · · Score: 3, Informative

    I'm not sure where you get that idea from. Infant mortality rate was through the roof in primitive societies and as soon as humans moved from nomadic tribes and started building cities, the chronic diseases of civilization became widespread. Up until recently, diseases such as cholera, polio, small pox, measles, etc. were extremely common and were only made rare or eradicated through innovation. Sure back in primitive societies, if you didn't die early in your life you could certainly live to be 80 and I'll grant that people were on the whole healthier because almost all work involved physical labor and even if you had the equivalent of an office job, you still needed to walk to work. However, the chances of any person actually living to 80 was far, far lower. If the various diseases and lack of treatment didn't kill you, invading neighbors would probably do it quite well. So unless you're proposing we abandon civilization and go back to hunter-gatherer groups, your assertion is just wrong.

    Tech innovation has done more for the poor having healthcare than anything else. Even safety nets can't provide services to everyone that haven't been invented or are incredibly costly. Just look at the positive outcomes of Golden Rice in ensuring that some of the world's poorest don't suffer from conditions due to vitamin A deficiency.

    If you don't think its fast enough, you are free to start your own company to rectify the situation. Or is everything just someone else's problem?

  9. Hype, appy apps, and perpetual beta by swb · · Score: 2

    ...doesn't cut it in the realm of health care.

    Silicon Valley may be noodling around the margins, but it's probably less because of the "onerous regulation" than the empty product they peddle not being able to live up to the regulations and cope with the existing complexity.

    They're not showing up to a business sector that has been moribund and antiquated for decades, they're showing up to a business sector that has been highly computerized for decades, so in some sense they're competing against their Silicon Valley neighbors, too.

    And too much of Silicon Valley "innovation" is just empty bullshit, an appy app, perpetually in beta, and lots of hype. Regulation means following rules, audits to make sure you're doing that and actually delivering something of substance.

  10. Re:What a nonsense article by real+gumby · · Score: 2

    Genetic variants are different from drugs. For one things, there are billions of genetic variants.

    Currently the FDA is trying to apply drug validation studies to genetic variants. That's like requiring cars to have proper horse shoes.

    So, umm, this is not the case. Do you have any idea how the non-ag side of the FDA actually operates?

    When you go for approval you define the criteria. "All" you have to show is that you will show statically valid evidence that your claims are plausible. Sometimes the Agency wants some specific proof (e.g. they may ask that you use a specific animal to verify a specific procedure or organ consequence) or may want an additional test because they know some classes of can compounds have characteristic issues. But in general they don't dictate anything. Oh yeah, for a treatment there are outcome criteria, but you are mostly the origin of those as well.

    Diagnostics are simpler to approve than devices, which tend to be simpler to approve than drugs, which to some degree are simpler than biologics. Each division has its own specialists. And the so-called "billions" of genetic cases are a red herring -- just consider the complex consequences of introducing organic compounds into the body.

    Disclaimer: I am not a geneticist, and have not gone for any diagnostic approval, though I am an advisor to a couple of companies that have. But apart from my own experience in the small molecule domain, I do know most of 23&me's regulatory team socially, and we do talk about work. So I know generally what issues they face.