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No Known Ransomware Works Against Windows 10 S, Says Microsoft (betanews.com)
An anonymous reader shares a report: According to Microsoft, "no Windows 10 customers were known to be compromised by the recent WannaCry (WannaCrypt) global cyberattack." That's great news for anyone running the latest version of the OS, and the software giant says it is working to ensure Windows 10 remains safe from other future attacks. However, if you want to guarantee your safety from ransomware, then Microsoft points out there's an even more secure option to consider -- Windows 10 S. The new, hardened Windows 10 variant only runs apps from the Windows Store, which means it can't run programs from outside Microsoft's ecosystem, and that includes malware. Which is why, as Microsoft says, "No known ransomware works against Windows 10 S."
Jailbroken and rooted phones say otherwise.
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None of the applications I regularly use are supported on Win10 S, so I guess it's as useless for me as it is for the ransomware developers.....
I believe the correct response to this is "Challenge Accepted".
"They redundantly repeated themselves over and over again incessantly without end ad infinitum" -- ibid.
And also no Steam, no Firefox, no Chrome. Goodbye competition, hello walled garden!
Also, no known useful software works on Windows 10 S either. Quite the tradeoff.
Before you scoff at this as random trolling, think about what the odds are that Adobe, Autocad, and any real software packages are going to take a 30% haircut required by the MS store to run on this turkey. Sure MS programs will be there but Steam worn't be, nor will much else useful other than a sub-section of Windows Phone apps.
But no malware as of today will run. They said the same thing about Windows 8.x upon release. And Windows 7, and.....
"Challenge accepted!" -PLA Unit 61398, Fancy Bear, Bureau 121
Shit. Because nothing works on it unless you get it from the windows (cr)app store, including malware apparently.
Because the amount of software that works on Windows 10 S bites syphilitic camel wang.
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S for S*** Commodore 64 was not affected either.
No known ransomware works on a TURD, either.
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This was never the issue. Malware gets around these limitations by using exploits. They're basically saying no known exploits can work against Windows 10 S, I don't buy it
It's called Windows Update
No ransomware works on Windows 10S ...because nobody uses it.
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Known is the key word here. It's not the problems you know about, it's the ones you don't that get you.
If the S version is supposedly better, why offer a $50 "upgrade" to the less secure non-S version? You can't have it both ways. Either you own your walled garden or you accept your open platform. You can't offer an upgrade to a version you're claiming is superior.
Moreover, they're basically arguing that their software is more secure because it's hobbled by design. A rock is similarly secure against WannaCry, but that doesn't mean it's actually useful for everyday computing tasks.
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It's not as though malware authors require the user to click a download button is it.
Unless Windows S doesn't have an internet connection it's a pretty silly statement to make.
... this is like Alberta claiming they "don't have any rats" LOL
"No known software works on Windows 10 S."
Windows 10S is the ransomware.
That's easy when No Known Software Works In Windows 10 S. Time will tell. However if no malware breaks into Windows 10 S in the future, will this end up being the most secure OS to run on the desktop?
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I tried to convert back to Windows 7, but none of the tools would do that for me.
Just kidding. I never changed to Windows 10 in the first place
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Having an operating system that just works with applications that they pre-approved, and nothing else is a terrible idea. They tried this with Windows RT, look where they are now?
Claiming this OS has "no known ransomware attack" is short sighted and arrogant. Hackers will usually focus their energy on something with a large install base, so they can cast a wide net and capture as much as possible. Also, after making such a ludicrous claim, hackers might even take this as a challenge, and start targeting Windows S!
Making an operating system that can only run what the dictator...ahem...Microsoft wants is not that hard. We already have a name for that! They're called appliances. This is no better than a toaster. Or a lamp. Don't get me wrong, these items have their purposes in our lives, but is that really what a typical personal computer is? Just to use a small set of pre-vetted applications from the Microsoft store?
Let's not fool ourselves. Microsoft saw how successful the Apple iTunes store, and they want in. This is just a propaganda piece to justify in further locking down our computer, and preventing any other competing product from eating into their turf.
Microsoft Windows is their product. It is their responsibility to release updates and security patches to protect the users from issues such as ransomware. If they feel that locking the system down like this is a good idea, they must not be trying very hard, or think we are stupid.
I've yet to encounter any ransomware on my stone tablets either. And the charge lasts a damn long time. I'm not sure when they were plugged in last, it was before I was born and I haven't had to charge them yet. They are kind of old, so a little dim to use in in the dark, but I never have issues with them being washed out in the sun, and there's never any glare on the screen. Plus they are fairly durable. I dropped large plate of spaghetti with tomato sauce on one, so I powered it down and put it in the dishwasher on light wash and it was as good as new the next day.
Windows 10 S is clearly a push into the education market: but google has has had Chrome For Education for several years now: and the big advantage of Chrome Management Console (CMC) is it being active directory in the cloud done right. CMC makes it super easy to lock down, manage and update education targeted computers (it's also great for digital signage) /.ers have a comparison of the two systems.
I haven't used Azure AD, so it would be interesting if any
Apple had an awesome opportunity here after they created a whole new locked to a store OS niche, but never capitalised on it by giving schools the tools to manage the platform.
Now the only reason PC's are still selling, are office and legacy programs. Think custom business programs written in .NET and specialised CAD/CAM software. MS have lost the first mover advantage to chrome, and I doubt this move will get it back.
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Apple says
no mac is infected by wannacry
Appdows 10 S only runs appy app apps like Appy App Saga and Appy Text, NOT LUDDITE software like LUDDITE Visual Studio!
Apps!
"No known ransomware works against Windows 10 S."
Until the moment ransomware gets snuck into the Windows Store. Which, if it hasn't happened already, will probably be next Thursday.
Oliver's law of assumed responsibility: If you're seen fixing it, you will be blamed for breaking it.
1) M doesn't know much about what happens with W10 in the field, or
2) M is responsible for WannaCry as a marketing exercise for W10
Neither seems very credible so maybe
3) W10 is not succeptable to virus
Ok, historically that seems reallllly not credible, so
4) They are clueless and just making random noise, or the bad guys don't think W10 is enough used to make it worth the attack
Plausable, but how about
5) The bad guys already have W10 under control, so they don't need to virus it, and not doing so moves more folks to the platform of choice (for the bad guys)
Tin foil hat is going with #5
That would make W10 a bad guys delight.
Other options of votes?
"this version of microsoft[tm] windows[r] is the bestest microsoft[tm] windows[r] evar"...
but don't you dare compare it to anything but itself!
Will the Whiney little bitches at the AC companies sue over this?
What a bunch of babies. I used to be able to come here for discussion that included all sides of an issue.
Now it's just wah wah wah.
Microsoft has invested in technology to avoid knowing any thing about malware, ransomware etc. So it will not know any ransomware ever. So, for ever, it can honestly say, "No ransomware known to me will work in Windows 10"
sed -e 's/Chuck Norris/Rajnikant/g' joke > fact
And the prize is HUGE!!!!
to change everybody's mind.
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Steam is allowed, it is the people behind Steam that pretend they are excluded.
Look at EA, they provide their own Client for their titles and use their own pricing for their titles, as well as free subscription access to their titles, and they even do it all from within the Microsoft Store.
i am sure some clever hacker will make you eat those words, and win_10 will be dinner for the black_hats until you make a fix, but like with all your 20+ years of history with windows software it is always playing catch-up with the latest vulnerability
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Part of the ransomware problem is that software running as normal user has all kind of permissions. Much more than usually needed.
MS/Windows could learn from the mobile phone market. Where apps, even after installation, have to request permissions to access files, the internet, camera etc.
The impact of ransomware would be much reduced if it couldn't access (all) of the user's files. Or spread itself via the network. Or if the filesystem itself did decent versioning. etc etc. Of course they would try to circumvent such restrictions, but it's yet another obstacle to overcome.
And imho, granting permissions after normal software installment would be just a minor nag to the user. And a big safety improvement on a complex computer system that the personal computer has become over the years.
https://it.slashdot.org/story/17/06/08/1754244/malware-uses-obscure-intel-cpu-feature-to-steal-data-and-avoid-firewalls#comments
works on windows 10!!!! all versions enjoy asshats at redmond
Jailbroken and rooted phones say otherwise.
But jail-breaking and rooting, that's not "ransomwear".
In any case there are significant differences between the phone OS and the desktop OS, just because they both share the same basic name doesn't mean one hack works on the other
If you want news from today, you have to come back tomorrow.
"No known ransomware works against Windows 10 S."
Read: "No one can compete with us on our home turf."
MS likes to invite trouble??!!
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FTFY
...and for the *same* reason.
"Challenge accepted" ....said the 12 year old Lithuanian kid in his mom's basement. Expect ReallyWannaCry S Edition in weeks.
I guess possibly because there's a new type of vector for windows 10 s that doesn't work elsewhere,which indicates that there is going to be a lot of non-ransomware that will not possibly work, even with fiddling, with windows 10 s.
Pretty much by default, if software is known to be ransomware, Microsoft will remove it from the store. Thus, no known ransomware is on the store.
It's the unknown stuff that's the problem. It won't be known until after the timebomb has been released and the damage is done.
Gotta love word salad and technicalities.
Malware is a business. For the same reason there is no malware working on some obscure NeXT clone OS, it doesn't work on Windows 10S: Why bother writing malware for a system nobody uses?
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you can browse the web right? because it has the edge browser (you know, the most secure browser of the big 3).
sure, edge might run in a container or something similar, and those are secure, right?
better read up on the last pwn2own - https://arstechnica.com/securi...
On a long enough timeline, the survival rate for everyone drops to zero.
I bet some folks are working on turning Microsoft into a liar.
This is great news! Only Microsoft can spy on you with Windows 10!
'nuff said.
And that doesn't rectify the situation with the zillion OTHER forms of malware that eat it for a snack hourly. Whatever, Microsoft.
Somewhere in the dark a meeting of Risk Management & Internal Affairs meet with software sales pitchmen...
ATT: needs your time
HP: needs more ink
Apple: needs more adaptors
Google: needs your thoughts
Microsoft: needs faster computers
Intel: needs more customers
Notice how their products are never satisfactory.
so it is obvious, none of them have an original firewall and anti-virus division because they want to sell you the right to use your computer. A worldwide problem untraceable to them is their greatest heist if not servicecost.
In all this, not one original American company like Digital Equipment Corp.
No known ransomware works on Linux.....that's my solution, but just to be sure, I also practice safe hex.
They made sure that no known *software* will run on Windows 10 S, so obviously Wannacry won't run.
The next generation of Wannacry though, is another story. Someone just has to use a fraudulent code signing certificate or whatever else Microsoft does with their store apps, or somehow masquerades as another application, and we're back to status quo.
Having an operating system that just works with applications that they pre-approved, and nothing else is a terrible idea. They tried this with Windows RT, look where they are now?
Microsoft tried this successfully with Xbox, Xbox 360, and Xbox One. Apple tried this successfully with iPod classic 5, iPhone 3G, iPod touch 2, and iPad. Sony tried this successfully with PlayStation, PlayStation 2, PlayStation 3, and PlayStation 4. Nintendo tried this successfully with NES, Super NES, Nintendo 64, Nintendo GameCube, Wii, and (so far) Nintendo Switch. Nintendo also tried it with Wii U, but that platform was less successful for reasons other than the lockdown.
So how did these other locked down platforms succeed where Windows Phone 7, Windows Phone 8, and Windows RT failed?
What does ransomware want to access? Local files in the user storage space. I.e. exactly the files that the user needs to be able to manipulate in his every day business.
The user's everyday business needs to access files that the user chose through the operating system's file chooser form. Ransomware, by contrast, needs to access the user's entire home directory. This is why modern sandboxed environments, such as OLPC Bitfrost, the Mac App Store Sandbox, and UWP, lock applications out of any file or directory that the user hasn't chosen through a file chooser form requested by that application.
What ransomware needs to do, and I agree with you on that ground, is to run software from an "odd" place, like the download directory, the temp directory or the user directory, i.e. from places where there should be no executable file in a normal work environment. That can be dealt with via software policies and execution prevention of software from places other than whitelisted directories where executables are stored.
Then watch ransomware install itself to Visual Studio's temporary directory, where executables are supposed to be stored during the normal course of operation. This is why Microsoft won't be able to bring Visual Studio to Windows 10 S.
Whichever M$ employee who wrote that press release will be looking for a new job when the "Challenge accepted" group goes berserk to prove him wrong. And they give the reason that M$ needed to be taught a lesson (again).
Anyone looking for a cheap ex-M$ marketing person?
no ransomware works on my pc when its turned off. A powered down pc is equally as useful as a windows 10S machine. both can be used as paperweights.
Let's see... what is it that usually happens when people boast like my subject line or M$'s boast about Win$?
I am betting it will not take long.
I am old enough to remember when Autodesk was preparing to release 3ds MAX 2.0. During the months leading up the the release date they droned on and on about how this version of 3ds could not be pirated because of the new "uncrackable" exe/dongle combo they were using. I also remember that around 11:00PM (Eastern), the day before 3ds went retail the patched, dongle free version of the 3ds executable started showing up in usenet.
If you were interested and had a fast enough connection you could have had a pirated version on your machine and running by 11:00PM release day.
Many, myself included, considered it to be a form of advertising: tell the masses they can't have it, leak it and let them get used to it at home so they will tell their employers they need a copy at work.
How many, out there, right now, are thinking, "...just wait until I get a copy of Win$..."