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Intel Announces X299, Skylake-X, and Kaby Lake-X Release Schedule (anandtech.com)

Posted by msmash on from the mark-the-date dept.

Ian Cutress, writing for AnandTech: At Computex a couple of weeks ago, Intel announced its new Basin Falls platform, consisting of the X299 chipset with motherboards based on it, a pair of Kaby Lake-X processors, and a set of Skylake-X processors going all the way up to eighteen cores, denoting the first use of Intel's enterprise level high core-count silicon in a consumer product. As part of Intel's E3 press release, as well as their presentations at the show, the new Core i9 processors were discussed, along with Intel's continued commitment towards eSports. Intel gave the dates for the new platform as the following: 4, 6, 8 and 10-core parts available for pre-order from June 19th; 4, 6, 8 and 10-core parts shipping to consumers from June 26th; 12-core parts expected to ship in August; and 14, 16 and 18 core parts expected to ship in October.

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  1. Regular backdoor, or always-on super backdoor? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Those are the options.

    1. Re:Regular backdoor, or always-on super backdoor? by Rockoon · · Score: 2

      The answer is yes.

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  2. Awww by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Isn't it too bad I'm never buying a fucking backdoored Intel CPU ever again.

    1. Re:Awww by zlives · · Score: 2

      and which brand backdoored cpu will you be buying instead?

    2. Re:Awww by EvilSS · · Score: 1

      and which brand backdoored cpu will you be buying instead?

      Well VIA still makes some x86 CPUs. Not sure if they have management engines built in or not though....

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    3. Re:Awww by ArchieBunker · · Score: 1

      Keep holding your breath for the source code and silicon masks for AMD's remote access features.

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    4. Re:Awww by zlives · · Score: 1

      yup airgap is not secure enough :)

    5. Re:Awww by zlives · · Score: 1

      they weren't verygood back in the day didn't know they were still a player?

    6. Re:Awww by EvilSS · · Score: 1

      Yea I was kind of surprised myself but they are still kicking. Mostly for embedded systems, thin clients, and small form-factor stuff.

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  3. Re:next? by amiga3D · · Score: 1

    18 cores should be enough for anyone.

  4. performance/price comparison? by Gravis+Zero · · Score: 1

    What we really need here is a clear display of how much bang you get for your buck. The prices alone are significantly higher than AMD Zen based chips and you get fewer cores to boot. So the question is, how well do they perform compared to AMD's offerings?

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    1. Re:performance/price comparison? by Gravis+Zero · · Score: 2

      don't expect "ThreadRipper" to be given away for free or to be a perfect chip given the latency issues that are inherent to AMD's architecture.

      I don't think anyone is expecting any chips to be free. As for performance issues due to latency between cores, they have already fixed that issue in modern OSes. Also, running a chip out-of-spec is stupid and shouldn't be done by anyone that does real computing.

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    2. Re:performance/price comparison? by PhrostyMcByte · · Score: 1

      I'd like to see comparisons too but history shows this isn't really needed at this level. Intel has always been relatively price competitive with AMD, but then also had their super expensive enthusiast CPUs that had no competition from AMD. That is likely going to be the case with these.

    3. Re:performance/price comparison? by ctilsie242 · · Score: 1

      The cores would be useful for desktop virtualization (running the web browser in a VM, so if/when it gets compromised, the carnage is left in one VM, rather than all over the place.) Microsoft seems to be taking more steps towards this, be it having Edge in its own VM, credentials in another VM, built in Docker functionality, etc.

    4. Re:performance/price comparison? by Tailhook · · Score: 5, Insightful

      What we really need here is a clear display of how much bang you get for your buck.

      What we really need here is some patience. Intel's new products are borderline incoherent; they've been caught flat footed by the return of competition in the x86 market and now they've gone and made some marketing blunders.

      We've been here before. It took Intel a while to figure itself out when AMD blew everything up with Athlon 64.

      So chill. Don't waste money on any hastly cobbled together Intel white elephants, and try to remember that these 'problems' you're having with Intel et al. are really just rich people problems; lots of disposable income chasing after the best entertainment machines ever made.

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  5. Ya gotta love Intel by NoNonAlphaCharsHere · · Score: 1

    Intel gave the dates for the new platform as the following: 4, 6, 8 and 10-core parts available for pre-order from June 19th; 4, 6, 8 and 10-core parts shipping to consumers from June 26th; 12-core parts expected to ship in August; and 14, 16 and 18 core parts expected to ship in October.

    IOW, they're going to start making IDENTICAL 18-core parts NOW, and they'll bin them according to how many (4,6,8,10,12,14,16,18) functioning cores pass QA. By October, they hope to have their processes straightened out to the point where they can get maybe a 5-8% yield on the 18-core version.

    Meanwhile, you've still got 18 cores sharing the same memory bus, running the same-old, same-old 8086 instruction set. REPNE SCASB forever, baby!

    1. Re:Ya gotta love Intel by Dunbal · · Score: 1

      Or maybe ALL the cores passed QA, but you get them running NSA spyware on (18 - number of cores you paid for) cores...?

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  6. Shhh... by fyngyrz · · Score: 2

    Shhh. You're disturbing the marketing pitch.

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  7. LTT on Core i9 & X299 by rbrandis · · Score: 5, Informative

    Linus from Linus Tech Tips isn't too happy with this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?...

    1. Re:LTT on Core i9 & X299 by denis-The-menace · · Score: 2

      a bit long but SUPER informative.
      TL;DR version: It's Intel's reaction to Ryzen. Modo mfr are surprised about X299 like you. X299 is going to be a pain for everyone.

      (Sorry, no mods to give you)

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    2. Re:LTT on Core i9 & X299 by MatthiasF · · Score: 1

      Sorry, moment I saw him sitting in that window wearing socks with sandals, I turned the video off. I don't care what he has to say. That heretic should burn!

      Joke aside, I'm disappointed X299 does not have PCIe 4.0 support. You'd think Intel would strive to put that in the launch of a new high-end premium processor line.

      I say this because I refuse to buy a new computer until PCIe 4.0 is out. I keep motherboards for 3-5 years and video cards for 1.5-2, so I would prefer some future proofing since PCIe 4.0 was just ratified recently.

    3. Re:LTT on Core i9 & X299 by SirMasterboy · · Score: 1

      Why should we care about what this Linus guy thinks about it?

      Don't be a sheep. Make your own decisions about the platform. Personally I am very excited about this platform and there are some great chips to be had.

  8. Re:HEDT Zen CPUs will probably cost half as much. by Rockoon · · Score: 2

    Intel is probably going to shit a brick when AMD starts releasing 8-core hyperthreaded laptop CPUs.

    With on-die GPU that outperforms Intels best without needing $300 worth of high speed edram bolted onto the chip.

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  9. Re:18 Cores? Good God by petermgreen · · Score: 2

    From what I can find that only appears to be for windows server, not windows desktop.

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  10. Re:HEDT Zen CPUs will probably cost half as much. by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Also, considering that Ryzen is decent and currently at 14nm while Global just announced the start of the 7nm production line as well as a 5nm test line, there are going to be some very nice, very affordable AMD laptops coming down the pike probably in time for next year's corporate product refresh.

    Intel should be worried it has competition again. They are going to have to compete on price, which they really, really hate to do.

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  11. Re:18 Cores? Good God by zlives · · Score: 1

    i thought that is only in a VM enviornment

  12. $1000 for 44 pci-e lanes it used to be $300-$400 by Joe_Dragon · · Score: 1

    $1000 for 44 pci-e lanes it used to be $300-$400 and then about $400-$550.

    AMD will smoke them and on boards that don't have to dumb down to work with cpu's with only dual channel and 16 pci-e lanes.

  13. kaby-lake x is an tacked on joke as well! by Joe_Dragon · · Score: 1

    kaby-lake x is an tacked on joke as well!

    That is how far intel is willing to go to rip us off and push OEM's to go to there way.

  14. intel just needs 6 cores + HT and 20 or more pci-e by Joe_Dragon · · Score: 1

    intel just needs 6 cores + HT and 20 or more pci-e (not counting dmi) on the desktop line.

    Maybe even 4 DMI maybe (boosted speed pci-e 3.0) + 4 storage + 16 video + 2-4 usb / TB)

    On the higher end they are stuck as the Xeon market needs the lower end to have full pci-e. Unless they want to lose the pci-e storage market to amd. Where your storage nodes really don't need to have 16 cores + high clocks. It seams like that don't want to have people buying $400 gamer cpu's in there servers so they cut down the pci-e. Will they have LGA 2066 xeon's?? ones with full pci-e and locked at $200-$500? $500-$900? $1000 min cost for full pci-e is an joke.

    AMD will have an gamer system at under $1000 with 64 pci-e lanes. Where will there 64 pci-e and 128 pci-e lane server cpu's fall?? They will likely have some thing at $300-$500 and $500-$700.

  15. Re:18 Cores? Good God by unixisc · · Score: 1

    Is there much software that is so well multithreaded & multiprocessed that going from, say, 4 cores to 16 would result in a 4 fold increase in processing power? (Not considering here cloud servers that host a boatload of VMs)

  16. Too bad by PJ6 · · Score: 1

    I won't be buying any of those for my business, since Hell will freeze over before I use Windows 10.

  17. Re:18 Cores? Good God by donaldm · · Score: 1

    Of course, MS licensing for Windows is per core now...

    That's not an issue for those that don't use Microsoft Windows.

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