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Etsy Slashes Almost a Quarter Of Its Staff In Attempt To Refocus (engadget.com)

Etsy, the online market for artisan and handmade goods, said on Wednesday that it will reduce its workforce by 15 per cent on top of another round of job cuts announced last month. From a report: CEO Josh Silverman announced this morning that Etsy was laying off 15 percent of its workforce. That's in addition to layoffs that were announced in early May; the total workforce reduction comes in at 22 percent, or about 230 employees. Silverman said the layoffs were part of an effort to focus on Etsy's "vital few initiatives," though he didn't specify exactly what parts of the company were being a drag. The only indication was that the company would focus on its "core marketplace."

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  1. a quarter? by bigjocker · · Score: 0

    Since when is 15 almost 25?

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    1. Re:a quarter? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      keep reading

    2. Re:a quarter? by ZiakII · · Score: 2

      .... Read the rest

      That's in addition to layoffs that were announced in early May; the total workforce reduction comes in at 22 percent, or about 230 employees.

    3. Re:a quarter? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So... I guess you missed the part where it was 15% *IN ADDITION* to staff that had been cut last month BRINGING THE TOTAL TO close to 25%.

    4. Re:a quarter? by sootman · · Score: 1

      Since "in addition to layoffs that were announced in early May; the total workforce reduction comes in at 22 percent."

      I know it's hard, but next time read the WHOLE summary before posting. Remember: post from the brain, not the spinal cord.

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    5. Re:a quarter? by Desler · · Score: 1

      Do you have the attention span of a gnat? The very next sentence would have answered your question before you asked it looking stupid.

    6. Re:a quarter? by tripleevenfall · · Score: 3, Funny

      I'm putting some crocheted multiplication table placemats up on my Etsy store now. BONUS IF YOU BUY THE MATCHING COFFEE MUG

    7. Re:a quarter? by sunking2 · · Score: 1

      So they're still up like 10000% from their original employee.

    8. Re:a quarter? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      it's within an order of magnitude so claose enough.

    9. Re: a quarter? by PixetaledPikachu · · Score: 1

      It's 15 on top of layoffs that has been previously announced adding up the total to 22. It's in the summary

    10. Re:a quarter? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      8/5th or 108% of the population do not understand fractions or percentages.

  2. I think you spelled laid off senior execs wrong by WillAffleckUW · · Score: 1

    Laying off artisans won't help.

    Laying off senior execs will.

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    1. Re:I think you spelled laid off senior execs wrong by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They didn't really lay off any "artisans". They laid off staff. The Etsy platform is an online craft store basically. The "artisans" don't work for Etsy. They open their virtual craft booth and sell their wares.

    2. Re:I think you spelled laid off senior execs wrong by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So what do the staff actually do?

    3. Re:I think you spelled laid off senior execs wrong by TheCastro1689 · · Score: 1

      I had to look this up, and I only found a few answers. They seem to help people set up shop online, they have their own payment system, and a bunch of random titles that seem to try to promote goods or create shopping trends.

    4. Re:I think you spelled laid off senior execs wrong by LiENUS · · Score: 1

      I know at least one of the etsy employees was working on the php7 version of the php-gearman interface.

  3. another startup going *pop* by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    For all the hype and money that flowed in this place they're still just an cheaper version of ebay. stock price half of what the IPO was. Yeah, investors aren't seeing their value, and wait until the staff starts dumping the options they have.

    1. Re:another startup going *pop* by B33rNinj4 · · Score: 1

      You pretty much hit the nail on the head. Etsy has never really proven itself to offer enough value beyond eBay.

  4. RE? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Or just plain focus. In trouble, folks. DUMP and RUN!

  5. Etsy is bad at marketing. by ArhcAngel · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I haven't seen any marketing from Etsy. Not saying they don't market but whatever they are doing isn't reaching me. I forget about them but every time I visit I find something I want.

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  6. The problem is they lost their focus by PortHaven · · Score: 2, Insightful

    They had a niche, hand made, one off product shop. Not the mass-produced stuff of ebay.

    They should of focused on that. That made etsy unique. It was like a niche artist market. But they allowed the lines to blur. And there isn't room for two ebays.

    1. Re:The problem is they lost their focus by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, to be successful these days you need to have a niche and serve it well. The world doesn't have much room for more one-stop shops.

    2. Re:The problem is they lost their focus by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They had a niche, hand made, one off product shop. Not the mass-produced stuff of ebay.

      This. I was researching the potential market for an item that would be small scale, hand-made and appeal to a niche audience. I found that the category was overwhelmed with mass-produced products sold out of China. Functionally, they were the same. Certainly, they factory version would be cheaper. But conceptually, there is really no comparison. The two appeal to completely different buyers, with different priorities, values and price considerations.

      My sense of the image that Etsy is trying to project is that they are a marketplace for smaller batch producers that appeal to clients on more than a bargain-basement price level. I'm not saying the latter is "wrong", or that there isn't a much larger market for it. I'm just saying that cramming the two together undermines both. I.e. I don't go to Etsy to be another Ebay, so that isn't where I am looking for functionality at the lowest cost. At the same time, I do go to Etsy for something that I wouldn't find on Ebay, so having to wade through mountains of items that miss on every level that I associate with Etsy is a turn-off.

      Again, there is a market for both. I just don't think that Etsy can effectively serve both at the same time.

    3. Re:The problem is they lost their focus by hackel · · Score: 1

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    4. Re:The problem is they lost their focus by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They should build some actual real search tools, categories, tags or something.

      I really don't want to sort through 250 pages with 229 of them are the same 'tree of life' symbol.

      If they are having issues, it's because you can't find jack and shit.

    5. Re:The problem is they lost their focus by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Have course!

  7. youdont deserve an answer. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    teh maths dont lie, Shakira!

  8. Why do they need 1000 people? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I've been to their site, they need like 3 people tops, in total. One owner, web programmer and one IT guy to maintain the servers. Hell you can use Geocities and save more money. Accounting can be farmed out to the crafty Jew down the street and the brotha at the bodega can handle night janitorial duties.

    1. Re:Why do they need 1000 people? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I've often wondered about that. I have a retail/ecommerce/manufacturing business. The ecommerce portion, for the combined front and back ends, requires one person--and someone else is not providing the content. What are all of those people doing?

    2. Re: Why do they need 1000 people? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I would guess sales.

    3. Re: Why do they need 1000 people? by Cederic · · Score: 1

      ..and service, commercial negotiations, system design/enhancements, PR.. ..and now you have enough people that you need HR people, Finance people, legal, facilities, internal IT support for all of those, a management tier that tries to add more value than it costs..

      Etsy's supporting a lot of businesses. That's not a straightforward proposition and each of those businesses has expectations and demands.

  9. Are the job cuts going to be hand-made? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The best pink slips are those lovingly hand-crafted by skilled artisans.

  10. Who cares... by drew_92123 · · Score: 1

    99% of the crap on their site is just that, crap.

    Etsy could die tomorrow and nobody would care.

    1. Re:Who cares... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I feel X, therefore everyone feels X!

    2. Re:Who cares... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's Progressives in a nutshell.

  11. What do they all do? by hackel · · Score: 3, Interesting

    How can a company like Etsy employ over 1000 people in the first place? What the heck do they all do? The site isn't *that* complicated. I would have expected a handful of developers, managers, etc. Definitely no more than 20. This is just bizarre. I guess it's good that they're downsizing if they want to survive.

    1. Re:What do they all do? by dunnomattic · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I recall talking to a recruiter once that wanted me to interview for a dev position there. I believe we discussed how they they license out their platform (store libraries, payment processing, etc.) to other SMBs as well as consume it in-house. If that is the case, then I could see them becoming flush with cash on initial takeoff and expanding quickly over a short span. When the hangover wears off and the first wave of licensees goes elsewhere, perhaps it looks like this?

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    2. Re:What do they all do? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I can't believe Etsy is even a company.

    3. Re:What do they all do? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I know they want to copy the amazon AWS model of success...but so is everyone else. How many internet marketplace engines do we really need?

      Eventually it will consolidate in the way that wordpress became dominant.

      Free will win. What makes their specific paid version better than what already exists?

    4. Re:What do they all do? by mwfischer · · Score: 1

      How does Uber employ 12,000 full timers? It's an app.

      Welcome to bloat.

    5. Re:What do they all do? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Blowjobs for everyone!

    6. Re:What do they all do? by HornWumpus · · Score: 1

      If they only had 20 employees, nobody would buy them. They have to appear successful to attract that sweet, stupid buyout money.

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    7. Re:What do they all do? by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      15 developers, 11000 lawyers and 85 people to grope the female staff.

    8. Re:What do they all do? by Cederic · · Score: 1

      I think Mojang demonstrated that you can get the sweet stupid buyout without excessive staff numbers.

    9. Re:What do they all do? by HornWumpus · · Score: 1

      There are always exceptions, but I maintain that the appearance of success is important when dealing with VCs. They aren't all the brightest bunch.

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  12. Because they destroyed their community by Leuf · · Score: 2

    Etsy used to have a good community of sellers in the forums that, at least sometimes, kept them from doing stupid things. Then in their run up to the IPO they destroyed it.

    1) Banned lots of sellers from being able to post.
    2) Redesigned the forums to bury any real discussion with useless crap.
    3) Moved the link to the forums from the header to the footer.

    It was a clear message about the way things were going to be. We are going to start doing things you aren't going to like and we don't want to hear about it.

  13. sheer brutality by Thud457 · · Score: 2

    why do they have to SLASH their staff, that's just barbaric. Couldn't they just fire, errr, terminate, uh, lay them off?

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  14. "Core Marketplace" by Khyber · · Score: 2

    You mean all the bulk resellers you let in who fucked over the people that made you what you are today?

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    1. Re:"Core Marketplace" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Isn't 15 Percent closer to a Fifth rather than a quarter?

  15. Cool Tshirt...Wait it's $43 by bobjr94 · · Score: 1

    Big companies selling their mass market products, doubling the price and trying to make it look like they are a small niche company is what killed them.

  16. Selling stuff that violates copyright by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Maybe it isn't viable after all..

    1. Re: Selling stuff that violates copyright by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Probably more likely violating trademark than copyright.

      But yes clearly that's the majority of their products.

  17. I miss Regretsy, actually. by Pezbian · · Score: 1

    I only learned about Etsy through the old Regretsy site. People trying to pass off dresses bought from China as homemade, terrible Photoshop work, upcycling shit that should never be upcycled, and plenty of other stuff they classified as "whimsical fuckery". It was like Cake Wrecks, but for crafts.

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  18. Except the problem was quality by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They had a niche, hand made, one off product shop. Not the mass-produced stuff of ebay.

    They should of focused on that. That made etsy unique. It was like a niche artist market. But they allowed the lines to blur. And there isn't room for two ebays.

    Seemed to me that is was mostly crap slapped together with a hot glue gun or other build this project in 10 minutes out of shit that's lying around the house then sell it and a place where artists who were actually skilled at their craft should avoid completely for the sake of their brand.

    Then again I'm not part of the "buy customized barbie dolls for $100 crowd"--so whatever floats their boat.

  19. Good news for shareholders. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ETSY is trading above $14 per share for the first time in seven months.