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SpaceX Successfully Launches and Lands a Used Rocket For the Second Time (theverge.com)

SpaceX has successfully launched and landed a recycled Falcon 9 rocket for the second time. "The rocket's first stage -- the 14-story-tall core that houses the fuel and the rocket's main engines -- touched down on one of the company's autonomous drone ships in the Atlantic Ocean shortly after taking off from a launchpad at nearby Cape Canaveral, Florida," reports The Verge. From the report: This particular rocket previously flew in January, when it was used to put 10 satellites into orbit for communications company Iridium. The rocket then landed on a drone ship in the Pacific Ocean. SpaceX retrieved the rocket and spent the next few months refurbishing it in preparation for today's launch. This afternoon, it was used to launch Bulgaria's first communications satellite for TV service provider Bulsatcom. The landing wasn't easy, though. Because the rocket had to push BulgariaSat-1 to such a high orbit, the first stage experienced more force and heat during reentry than any other Falcon 9, according to a tweet from SpaceX CEO Elon Musk. Musk even warned that there was a "good chance [the] rocket booster doesn't make it back." Shortly after the landing, though, Musk returned to Twitter to add that the rocket booster used "almost all of the emergency crush core," which helps soften the landing.

74 comments

  1. Great! by nightfire-unique · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Well, now it's just routine. :p

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    1. Re:Great! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And someday it might even be blase.

      How about we take a long weekend and go to that new orbital hotel? I hear the views are spectacular.

    2. Re:Great! by TWX · · Score: 1

      And someday it might even be blase.

      It'll catch on fire?! Cool!

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    3. Re: Great! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not routine to land in the pacific after taking off from nearby Florida!!

    4. Re:Great! by myrdos2 · · Score: 1

      You're probably thinking of flambe?

    5. Re:Great! by TWX · · Score: 1

      Was that the gorilla that got shot when the kid ended up in the enclosure?

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    6. Re:Great! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      RIP Harambe.

    7. Re: Great! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Dicks out for flambe!

      No, wait...

  2. Awesome! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Much excellent!

    1. Re:Awesome! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Much data collection.

      ULA better get off their ass and bribe somebody quick.

      Dump the ULA stock before it is worthless.

    2. Re:Awesome! by CaptnCrud · · Score: 1

      ULA's major issue is that both of the parent companies are not terribly interested in competing with themselves.

    3. Re:Awesome! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ULA is also limited by its two parent companies in how much it can invest in cost reduction technologies. A lot of the ULA profit is plowed back into Boeing and Lockheed, funding other unrelated things those companies do, and is thus not available to "tech up".

      ULA could be doing better than it is permitted to do. It needs to be spun off as its own entity if it is to succeed in the long term. It has very taltented engineering staff and among the best reliability of any launch company. But it is not the master of its own fate.

  3. Impressive! by 110010001000 · · Score: 1

    Next...Mars?

  4. crush core by turkeydance · · Score: 4, Funny

    good name for a club

    1. Re:crush core by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      good name for a club

      Playing for two nights only: Crush Core presents "The Re-Usables"

    2. Re:crush core by sconeu · · Score: 1

      <DAVE-BARRY>
      "Crush Core" would be a great name for a Rock Band.
      </DAVE-BARRY>

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    3. Re: crush core by KGIII · · Score: 1

      Or a music genre.

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  5. Sounds like Space X is on a shoestring budget now by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    using used rockets

    how ghetto

  6. Re: Sounds like Space X is on a shoestring budget by gerf · · Score: 1

    That's actually the best part.

  7. ambiguous title phrasing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    SpaceX Successfully Launches and Lands a Used Rocket For the Second Time

    I think it means they have now reflown two first stages, each one having done so once, rather than that they have reused a single first stage two times. In other words "second time" applies to the class of event, not the specific rocket instance. I don't follow it too closely though so maybe someone can confirm that.

    It's a little ambiguously phrased.

    1. Re:ambiguous title phrasing by BeauHD+(4450103) · · Score: 0

      Shut up. U know what we are saying.

    2. Re:ambiguous title phrasing by penandpaper · · Score: 1

      I don't. Could you rephrase that in the form a question in English Prime? For science of course.

    3. Re:ambiguous title phrasing by fisted · · Score: 1

      I think [...]

      See, there's the problem.

      This particular rocket previously flew in January

      It's a little ambiguously phrased

      Yeah, reading is hard. That's from TFS, BTW.

    4. Re:ambiguous title phrasing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You understand that does not resolve the ambiguity, right? My car was driven to the store yesterday. It has been reused more than once.

      The headline does sound like the rocket was "launched and landed for a second time". It's worth clarifying.

    5. Re:ambiguous title phrasing by fisted · · Score: 0

      This particular rocket previously flew in January

      Where the fuck is the ambiguity in that?

    6. Re: ambiguous title phrasing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Has it flown between then and this latest launch? Unclear. The problem is a dangling modifier. "For the second time, SpaceX successfully launches and lands a used rocket." Much better.

    7. Re:ambiguous title phrasing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This particular rocket previously flew in January Where the fuck is the ambiguity in that?

      My particular car drove to the store yesterday. My particular car has been re-used more than once. Saying the parituclar rocket previously flew in January leaves open that may have been its first re-use, this being the second.

    8. Re:ambiguous title phrasing by Gavagai80 · · Score: 1

      It's the same first stage. They also billed it as the first rocket to land on both their Atlantic and Pacific drone ships.

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  8. Nice launch by CaptnCrud · · Score: 1

    I got a little nervous twice, the first I thought the flight computer was going to scrub the launch at the last second (did anyone see the twitchy countdown numbers at the last 10 seconds? The counter incremented once or twice, it was weird).

    The second was due to the LOS of the first stage at the barge, but I was pleasantly surprised when the image returned.

  9. I love it. by Gravis+Zero · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Hey, remember those assholes that would said this shit was impossible? Remember how when they landed a rocket that those same assholes said it wouldn't be reusable? Remember after they relaunched it the first time those assholes downplayed the amount of money saved and the significance of it? YOU WERE WRONG, ASSHOLES. SCIENCE WINS.

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    1. Re:I love it. by SCVonSteroids · · Score: 1

      The trick, is to ignore the assholes. Unlike our own, these don't serve us any use.

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    2. Re:I love it. by penandpaper · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Was it a win for science or a win for engineering?

    3. Re:I love it. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > ...downplayed the amount of money saved...

      Do we have official numbers on how much money is saved by reusing the first stage? One _assumes_ that the savings is non-trivial, but the refurbishment process _might_ still be so expensive as to make the savings insignificant.

    4. Re:I love it. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I would think engineering.

    5. Re:I love it. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      At the moment they are being very careful with it so it probably does cost quite a bit to refurb. They have said they want to get the turnaround down to 24h though, which should address that. No particular reason to think they won't be able to, or at least get close. They've designed for that from the start and have folded the lessons they learned along the way into a new rev of the F9 to improve the ease of turnaround.

    6. Re:I love it. by chispito · · Score: 1

      Was it a win for science or a win for engineering?

      Both if you launch science missions.

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    7. Re:I love it. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Engineering is a form of science.

      engineering
      enjniriNG/
      noun
      noun: engineering

              the branch of science and technology concerned with the design, building, and use of engines, machines, and structures.
                      the work done by, or the occupation of, an engineer.
                      the action of working artfully to bring something about.

    8. Re:I love it. by ljw1004 · · Score: 2

      Hey, remember those assholes that would said this shit was impossible? Remember how when they landed a rocket that those same assholes said it wouldn't be reusable? Remember after they relaunched it the first time those assholes downplayed the amount of money saved and the significance of it?

      Actually, no, I don't remember any of that!

    9. Re:I love it. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Given that they can slap them back on a test stand and run the engines not long after they get the rocket back it seems pretty unlikely that they require significant refurbishment. More likely just a good sand blasting, a new paintjob and probably a few new components (like a second stage, grid fins, etc). That has to result in a significant savings, but since they are already about half the cost of many other launch providers I would imagine that they'll keep their prices up there to recoup development costs and fund future projects (Falcon X, ITS, etc). I'm looking forward to the Falcon Heavy flight, it sounds like they may try for full reusability with it, and it'll be especially interesting to see 3 core stages roar back to the cape one after another.

    10. Re:I love it. by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      Isn't one just the application of the other?

    11. Re:I love it. by Brett+Buck · · Score: 1

      Anyone who knows anything about it knew it was possible. Von Braun studied landing the Saturn 1. The problem was that it also reduces the throw weight by something like 30% - then and now. If getting a bigger booster is the end goal - and it was, at the time - then flyback boosters don't make any sense.

            The fact that you are on here gloating about it means you never understood that in the first place - and calling everybody else assholes because of your own ignorance is exactly what is expected from fanbois.

    12. Re: I love it. by slacktide · · Score: 1
      Engineering is not a science. It is an art that uses science. Or as defined by the American Society of Civil Engineers;

      Engineering is the professional art of applying science to the optimum conversion of the resources of nature to the uses of humankind.

    13. Re:I love it. by penandpaper · · Score: 1

      touché

    14. Re:I love it. by DerekLyons · · Score: 1

      Actually, no, I don't remember any of that!

      Which is unsurprising, since pretty much nobody said that. Space fan(atics) remember it, though the 'memory' is created from whole cloth. For some reason they feel a need to be persecuted.

    15. Re:I love it. by catchblue22 · · Score: 1

      What really makes me laugh is the fact that the world's other launchers, including Ariane and ULA don't have a hope of replicating this for a very very long time. Their rocket engines are highly tuned machines, akin to top fuel dragsters. They are so powerful only a small number of them are used for each rocket, usually two. These engines could never be used to land like the Falcon 9 lands because they are incapable of throttling down to a low enough power output to land. The Falcon 9 uses nine engines. Because of this, the engines are individually less powerful than, say the RD180. When landing, the Falcon 9 uses only one engine at its lowest throttle setting. Even then, the engine is too powerful for hovering, and must land with a suicide burn instead.

      ULA wants to drop its engines off the rockets, put out parachutes, and catch the engines with helicopters. While creative, this will mean a substantial amount of labour expended to re-install the used engines. There is no comparison to Elon Musk's stated goal of re-using a Falcon 9 after a 24 hour turnaround (likely 24 hours of work rather than actually launching the next day). I wouldn't want to be an employee of a legacy rocket company. Successful re-use of rockets by SpaceX will likely sound a death knell for these lumbering giants.

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    16. Re:I love it. by swillden · · Score: 1

      Hey, remember those assholes that would said this shit was impossible? Remember how when they landed a rocket that those same assholes said it wouldn't be reusable?

      To be fair, to really achieve the savings that SpaceX is aiming for, they need to be able to reuse the same rocket many times (so far, they've only demonstrated a single reuse), and they need to be able to reuse it without extensive refurbishment. They're still a long way from achieving those goals.

      What they're trying to do is difficult, and there will undoubtedly be a lot of other lessons they'll have to learn and adjustments they'll have to make to achieve it. And it's always possible that they'll fail, that they'll discover that building a rocket durable enough for heavy reuse requires too many other sacrifices. But the only way to know is to try, and if they can achieve it, it will significantly reduce launch costs -- again.

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    17. Re:I love it. by dunkelfalke · · Score: 1

      Actually, RD-170 and all its derivatives are perfectly capable of being reusable, since they were engineered having reusable boosters in mind. They also can be throttled down to less than 50% of nominal thrust (RD-191 even down to 27%). They only need a capable rocket.

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    18. Re:I love it. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I member

    19. Re:I love it. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The rockets cost roughly 60 million to manufacture (musk said that), including the second stage and fairings. From other comments the fairings are about 6 mil and the upper stage about 14 so roughly 40 million for the S1. These are just public statements used for extrapolation, it could be far less now as these comments are years old.

  10. Roomba? by ComputerInsultant · · Score: 1

    The web cast cut off video of the barge immediately after showing the rocket upright. So when do we get to see the new robot for anchoring and stabilizing the landed rocket (the roomba)?

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    1. Re:Roomba? by edxwelch · · Score: 1

      It's a pity there was no video of it landing. That's the fun part to watch.

    2. Re:Roomba? by Strider- · · Score: 1

      It's a function of the satellite uplink on the barge. The video is digitized, then transmitted via Ku-Band satellite through one or two stabilized antennas onboard. (If you look at pictures of the barges they have two white R2D2 type domes on either side). These antennas are finely balanced machines, allowing their motors to react quite quickly to the motion under them. However, they are also required to prohibit transmission, unless the system believes the satellite is within 0.5 degrees of the antenna's boresight.

      Anyhow, the long and short of this is the booster coming in for landing is a high energy event, that causes lots of vibrations and shaking. When that happens, the antenna looses its ability to track gravity (the shaking overwhelms the accelerometers and IMUs) so it does what it must, and mutes the transmission. There's no real way around this, for better or worse, at least until SpaceX gets their own constellation of the ground, which will get to play by different rules.

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    3. Re:Roomba? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      >

      And I was hoping those were phalanx systems :(

    4. Re:Roomba? by TheSync · · Score: 1

      They could have a small(er) floating platform towed behind the recovery ship with a less vibrating uplink, and send video over a fiber between the two.

    5. Re:Roomba? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      DUUH...I'm a fucking super nerd...

      A fucking $300 GoPro would have recorded a entire fucking landing....but but but my Ku-band "constellation"...

      SpaceX engineering at its "finest".

    6. Re:Roomba? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      DUUH...I'm a fucking super nerd... A fucking $300 GoPro would have recorded a entire fucking landing....but but but my Ku-band "constellation"... SpaceX engineering at its "finest".

      Moron, you were watching the real time video feed. Of course there is a recorded one, but that isn't available right away.

  11. But did you notice... by ytene · · Score: 1

    ... how the landed first stage looked as though one of the legs [the one nearest the camera, left hand side of the image] looked to be a little "collapsed" in comparison with the other three?

    I am wondering if it was just a trick of a slightly wide-angle lens... but then again... this is still so far ahead of anything that anyone else is doing, it seems churlish to quibble...

  12. Yay! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Good for Ol' Musky.

  13. Cape Canaveral vs Cape Kennedy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Cape Canaveral is a land mass. Cape Kennedy is the space center on the Cape Canaveral land mass.

  14. SpaceX by tquasar · · Score: 2

    Where is a link that actually shows the launch and return? The Google can't seen to find it and my beer's getting warm. Tropic Thunder is on....

    1. Re:SpaceX by Gavagai80 · · Score: 3, Informative

      http://www.spacex.com/webcast but the landing isn't quite visible because the feed failed for a few seconds.

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  15. Yes: Definitely an only-just landing... by ytene · · Score: 1

    Take a look at the YouTube video and skip to 34:08 - the angle of the 1st stage main fuselage is not perpendicular to the deck of "Of Course I Still Love You"...

    1. Re:Yes: Definitely an only-just landing... by CaptnCrud · · Score: 1

      Yea, I think you might be right. She wasn't centered very well, must have had a hard landing due to a swell or wave.

      I kept looking at how far down range the barge was and just couldn't help thinking about how many wasted "pristine" stages are sunk right below it.

    2. Re:Yes: Definitely an only-just landing... by haruchai · · Score: 1

      Elon was hedging whether they could get the 1st stage back from this launch and when it did he said it was a hard landing and used up almost all of the emerg crush core. I suspect this one may not get used again or will need a more extensive refurb which may not be worth the cost.
      Welp, one more launch for them on this doubleheader weekend. Let's see what happens on Sunday which should be an easier recovery.

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  16. Actually it's a win for Linux by Yergle143 · · Score: 1

    Falcon 9 runs on Linux kernal. Not sure if it's Ubuntu or Red Hat tho.l

  17. Good

  18. Is it just me? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It looks like it might be at a bit of an angle, I think Musk Tweeted that it hit the deck pretty hard. Hopefully it just crushed the one of the legs and the rest of the rocket is in good shape. Still they're bringing them down pretty regularly now, ULA must be soiling their pants.

    1. Re:Is it just me? by RhettLivingston · · Score: 1

      My first thought was "how far off center can it be without rolling the barge?" followed immediately by questions as to the likelihood of it making it to shore without tipping. Then again, the empty weight might be very minimal and heavily concentrated at the bottom.

    2. Re:Is it just me? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Here is a discussion

      It includes a quote from Elon, no telling if this is still the case:
        "We are going to weld steel shoes over the landing feet as a precautionary measure." -- Elon Musk

  19. Landing leg crush cores by Traf-O-Data-Hater · · Score: 1

    I agree, it looks as if the consumable crush core was compressed to near its limit.
    For interest's sake, the honeycomb crush cores were (first?) used in the Apollo Lunar Module, see page 6 of https://www.hq.nasa.gov/alsj/a...

  20. used re-used or just used? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    2nd time re-used?

  21. Horizontal velocity by Michael+Woodhams · · Score: 1

    As is often the case, video dropped out from the barge during landing, however just before it dropped out there was a big circle of white water on the far/left side of the barge, and when we reacquired signal the booster was landed off-center near/right. This looks to me like they still had a fair bit of horizontal velocity on landing - another indicator that this landing was near to failure. In a few days we'll get the video and know better.

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  22. This was the most difficult stage landing to date by catchblue22 · · Score: 3, Informative

    She wasn't centered very well, must have had a hard landing due to a swell or wave.

    The landing was hard because the stage had an extremely difficult landing profile, the most difficult one so far. It entered the atmosphere at a ridiculously high speed. The speed at the beginning of the re-entry burn (just before the stage really bites into the atmosphere) was 8600km/hr and 6600km/hr at the end of the burn. Going at 6600km/hr through the upper atmosphere puts you right on the edge of burning up. The final landing burn had to use three engines as opposed to the usual one engine.

    In comparison, for the CRS11 landing, the second stage was going at 4500km/hr at the beginning of the re-entry burn, and 3500km/hr at the end of the burn. The landing burn was using only one engine. Because of the slower speed, it was far more easy for the stage to make a nearly perfect landing.

    IIRC, on a really dodgy landing like today's the stage actually aims for the side of the ship and not the centre, so that if the landing burn fails, the stage doesn't sink the drone ship. When the landing burn begins, the stage corrects its target towards the centre. If you watch the feed from the ship, you can see from the water disturbance that the stage is over the water on the far side. It must have done a crazy divert to land on the near side of the ship, which explains the fact that the legs used their crush core shock absorption. It was probably 50/50 that this stage would survive.

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  23. Re:This was the most difficult stage landing to da by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Stages have went boom on the drone ships before. They've never sunk.