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New Study Confirms the Oceans Are Warming Rapidly (theguardian.com)
An anonymous reader shares a report from The Guardian, written by John Abraham, who discusses the rising ocean temperatures and the important factors that affect ocean-temperature accuracy: The most important measurement of global warming is in the oceans. In fact, "global warming" is really "ocean warming." If you are going to measure the changing climate of the oceans, you need to have many sensors spread out across the globe that take measurements from the ocean surface to the very depths of the waters. Importantly, you need to have measurements that span decades so a long-term trend can be established. These difficulties are tackled by oceanographers, and a significant advancement was presented in a paper just published in the journal Climate Dynamics. That paper, which I was fortunate to be involved with, looked at three different ocean temperature measurements made by three different groups. We found that regardless of whose data was used or where the data was gathered, the oceans are warming. In the paper, we describe perhaps the three most important factors that affect ocean-temperature accuracy. First, sensors can have biases (they can be "hot" or "cold"), and these biases can change over time. Another source of uncertainty is related to the fact that we just don't have sensors at all ocean locations and at all times. Some sensors, which are dropped from cargo ships, are densely located along major shipping routes. Other sensors, dropped from research vessels, are also confined to specific locations across the globe. Finally, temperatures are usually referenced to a baseline "climatology." So, when we say temperatures have increased by 1 degree, it is important to say what the baseline climatology is. Have temperatures increased by 1 degree since the year 1990? Since the year 1970? Since 1900? The choice of baseline climatology really matters.
The priesthood has spoken. AGW acolytes will be along shortly to mod anyone to -1 who dares question the IPCC Assessment Report holy book. The unadjusted data will be kept under lock and key while everyone is instructed to accept based on faith that the oceans are warming rapidly. The AGW cult is even more profitable than the LDS cult, and this will no doubt be used to justify even more wealth redistribution.
Another "scientist" putting politics ahead of science.
But after 20+ years of exaggerations, and occasional falsification, of climate data, I have become immune to scary reports and will simply ignore this one. The boy has cried wolf too many times before. I will not waste any more time looking into this one.
OT: In my travels, it does seem to me that the world has become more verdant over the past several decades. This is not a measurement, merely a personal observation. Am I imagining this, or are increasing temperatures and CO2 levels causing plant life to flourish?
I DON'T FUCKING CARE
As in, factual evidence? Hmm....
If we can get it warm enough the oceans will start to evaporate, countering global warming's rising sea level.
there'd be no denials & we'd be instructed where to tune in for instructions? aliens everywhere agree,, cease fire stand down.. sing along.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-eCh3y5VROM
Will come pre-boiled, what could be better!?
and Trump is gonna fix all that SINGLE HANDEDLY.
Even of the data doesn't show warming, we know it is happening.
change in heat content since 1970=3 e23 J (from TFA)
SHC of water =4e3 J/kg/deg C
mass of oceans = 1.4e21 kg
temperature rise is 3e23/1.4e21/4e3, about 0.05 deg C
Hmm, in 50 years? Colour me unexcited.
..is around 10 to 100 times the usual background level, and has been elevated above the background level since the Pleistocene. The current extinction rate is more rapid than in any other extinction event in earth history, and 50% of species could be extinct by the end of this century. While the role of humans is unclear in the longer-term extinction pattern, it is clear that factors such as deforestation, habitat destruction, hunting, the introduction of non-native species, pollution and climate change have reduced biodiversity profoundly.' (wiki)
Since Global Warming ended up not working for them now it is Climate Change.
Tell me where the Data Comes from and do we have a few hundred Years worth of that Data????
This s all fake news! The Oceans are doing great! I promise you: oceans are doing fantastic. There are no better temperatures of oceans then today. It's great.
It was hiding deep in the ocean!
...from the corrupt editors at Slashdot
Buzzphrase 2017-U281:- 'Ocean Warming'
All these taxes for carbon use. Follow the money.
As an _actual_ oceanographer, there is nothing to see here.. it's honestly kinda busch league and I'm a little surprised it got published given the glaring error in the conclusions, but whatever. I've given up trying to talk sense into people.
Global warming causes climate change, fuckwit
This is the 3rd consecutive day that Microcenter's website has been down.
The only message is a maintenance page stating, "we're updating our site".
It is currently not possible to place orders or check status on existing orders.
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Anybody know what happened?
How about the year 1000? 1300? I want my arbitrary date.
Interesting read but I have to admit I'm skeptical. I work in the field and its common knowledge that sensors are few and far between outside of normal travel lanes/coast lines. http://www.ndbc.noaa.gov/ is the site I most often use and its quite lacking all things considered. From TFA (I know, I know) "Since one can never re-observe the ocean in the past, some synthetic data should be used, for instance high-resolution model outputs, sea level data, etc." While these models are decent, they won't perform the best in extremely data sparse areas which can easily skew data when working with over a large area. Not claiming its wrong, just that the lack of live data makes it difficult to honestly assess the situation.
I'm old, I've got no kids. Best of luck to the rest of you.
1970s ice age myth. Zombie argument 16, smarter zombies please.
Wilful ignorance is sad.
There are many sources of data. Ice cores reveal the state of our atmosphere over thousands of years.
Glad to see an article talk about how hard it is to measure temperature to this degree of accuracy/resolution. And given much of the data is old, we can't even go back and calibrate the biases in the data. Years ago, I was visiting a major university. The campus was at the top of a large hill/small mountain, on the way down the HILL to the LAKE at the bottom of the hill going through the CITY I passed a weather gathering station in a PAVED parking lot. I said, hmmmmm.
our thoughts and prayers go out to the children who will be starving refugees of the future.
The media started the term Global Warming. Climate Change has always been used as a more informed and
The media started the term Global Warming. Climate Change has always been used as a more informed and scientifically meaningful term.
Although I do recall The Greenhouse Effect used in the seventies.
Because the polar ice caps melting were not enough observable evidence? Slashdot, why are you just recycling the same stories over and over again. When are we going to get something new to talk about instead re-hashing all the same crap?
We'll make great pets
I agree with the above - No karma to spend
Although I do recall The Greenhouse Effect used in the seventies.
Back when they were concerned about global cooling?
To the moderator and the commenter: "Whooosh!" (Trumpites seem to be too stupid even for that).
It's called El Nino, in the next 2 years "scientists" are going to be puzzled by cooling oceans and an increase in polar ice.
Renewable energy saves money for small businesses. It also provides some protection against sudden increases in market rate for energy. Even if you personally aren't using renewable energy you still benefit, because the fluidity of market demand changes when many businesses are using renewable energy.
But the time when right wing republicans were pro business is over. The neocons and pretenders that have hijacked the teaparty movement are about consolidating their power under the under the auspices of the most wealthy corporate owners.
What we have is not so much a right wing conspiracy as a corporatist led coup d'état in the guise of a right wing movement. The PR machine is running full steam to keep the ring wing base firmly behind the new regime that crept up on us over the last few decades.
These mother fuckers put sensors on boats to gather new data, then compare these data to previous data recorded by devices floating on the ocean.
Boat gives off heat, of course the data says it's getting warmer.
We've had 15 times the CO2 in the past and there were no fucking floods.
Fuck off with the global warming bullshit.
And oil doesn't come from plants or dead animals, it comes from earth's core, stop calling it fossil fuel.
As usual, the pro-nuclear camp is out to abuse moderation to try to stifle the voices of reason. Well, mod this comment down, too. I can afford the karma. How many modpoints have you got?
"You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
Last week Canadian climate researchers had to cancel an arctic trip to measure the declining ice, when it was discovered that there has never been so much ice. (over 5 feet of it)
So how can this ice exist if the oceans are warming?
The simple answer: It Can't!
Global Warming alarmists told us: NYCity would be under water now along with most of the California coast! They told Us in 2009 the world would run out of food and billions would die. Get the picture?
Pure and utter bunk!
New study confirms
Say instead that it 'suggests'....as it is we are talking as if humans are infallible and there is no political pressure around these issues....isn't it fair to discuss the data before proclaiming the confirmation of truth? Isn't this lack of logical process the source of all ignorance n the world?
NASA and NOAA have already been debunked thanks to getting busted falsifying climate data. Of course they're going to say whatever keeps the grant money flowing in. Scientists studying "climate change" will never give a straight answer. It would put them right into the unemployment line.
Gee, I wounder how much he got
paid to shovel this rehashed junk?
In this context "confirm" simply means that additional evidence was found to validate or corroborate something that was seen before. It's not a claim of infallible truth. The word "suggests" would be wrong, because that would typically indicate a novel finding.
Hooray! Hotter oceans, more evaporation, more rain, more plants in Sahara!
extinction from AGW that was being observed today and that the poster using him to "debunk" the idea that there's no problem from anthropogenic global warming was wrong.
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Stop peeing in the pool please.
Nuclear power is by far the worst way to generate electricity. Anyone that says otherwise is wilfully ignorant of all of the accidents such as SL-1, Three Mile Island, Chernobyl, and Fukushima, just to name a few. Fusion will be far worse, with accidents that will ignite the atmosphere. Then again, the greedy CrackeRepublicans will do anything just to get a quick buck, even if it means doom for the Earth, which is why they dismiss green energy sources such as solar, wind, geothermal, tidal, hho engines, and hydroelectric.
"Over 90% of all species that have ever lived on this planet are gone..... we didn't kill them all!" lol
"Leave nature alone... it's what got us in trouble in the first place."
"The greatest arrogance of all is 'save the planet'! What? Are these people kidding me? We don't even know how to take care of ourselves yet! And we're gonna save the planet? I'm getting tired of that shit!"
"Environmentalists don't give a shit about the planet... They just want a clean place for themselves."
"There is nothing wrong with the planet. The planet is fine. The people are fucked!"
"The planet has been here for over 4 and half billion years, and we've only been here, what a few hundred thousand, and only in heavy industry for a little over 200 years. 200 years vs 4 and half billion, and we have the conceit to think somehow we are a threat?... The planet has been through a lot worse than us."
"The planet will shake us off like a bad case of fleas. A surface nuisance."
"You want to know how the planet is doing? Ask those people in Pompeii that are frozen into position from volcanic ash... how the planets doing."
"The planet will be here for a long, long, long, time after we're gone. And it will heal itself, it will cleans itself, cause that's what it does. It's a self correcting system. The air and the water will recover. The earth will be renewed. And if it's true, that plastic is not degradable, then the planet will simply incorporate plastic into a new paradigm, the earth plus plastic."
Follow this up with an awesome dose of political correctness from brain droppings.
Carlin puts all this crap into a very well considered and funny perspective.
Climate change skepticism, creationism, anti-vax, anti-GMO, HIV denialists. All different aspects of the same kind of stupidity. History will judge your ilk harshly, and rightly so. You're a bunch of fucking dickheads.
I do not want your cheap brainburning drugs. They are useless for work. And I am a working man today.
The summary contains two links, one to an article that discusses how the data is crap - same story as the atmosphere, the satellite data doesn't jive with the manipulated ground data, and a second link to a story in the Guardian. For the reader who isn't paying attention they both might be misconstrued as scientific studies.
As long as one resorts to trickery and misdirection people are going to think you're making shit up.
Murphy was an optimist
This is OLD "news"! Plus... it gets worse: http://www.newser.com/story/19... http://www.newser.com/story/18... http://www.newser.com/story/17... http://www.newser.com/story/16...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BB0aFPXr4n4
"Over 90% of all species that have ever lived on this planet are gone..... we didn't kill them all!" lol
"Leave nature alone... it's what got us in trouble in the first place."
"The greatest arrogance of all is 'save the planet'! What? Are these people kidding me? We don't even know how to take care of ourselves yet! And we're gonna save the planet? I'm getting tired of that shit!"
"Environmentalists don't give a shit about the planet... They just want a clean place for themselves."
"There is nothing wrong with the planet. The planet is fine. The people are fucked!"
"The planet has been here for over 4 and half billion years, and we've only been here, what a few hundred thousand, and only in heavy industry for a little over 200 years. 200 years vs 4 and half billion, and we have the conceit to think somehow we are a threat?... The planet has been through a lot worse than us."
"The planet will shake us off like a bad case of fleas. A surface nuisance."
"You want to know how the planet is doing? Ask those people in Pompeii that are frozen into position from volcanic ash... how the planets doing."
"The planet will be here for a long, long, long, time after we're gone. And it will heal itself, it will cleans itself, cause that's what it does. It's a self correcting system. The air and the water will recover. The earth will be renewed. And if it's true, that plastic is not degradable, then the planet will simply incorporate plastic into a new paradigm, the earth plus plastic."
Follow this up with an awesome dose of political correctness from brain droppings.
Carlin puts all this crap into a very well considered and funny perspective.