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Researchers Create New Probiotic Beer That Boosts Immunity (upi.com)

Posted by BeauHD on from the health-beverages dept.

randomErr writes: A new patent has been filed for a innovative brewing technique that incorporates a live strain of good bacteria into the brewing process. Researchers at NUS (National University of Singapore) have created a probiotic sour beer that may boost immunity and improve gut health. The bacteria Lactobacillus paracasei L26 is capable of neutralizing toxins and viruses and regulating the immune system. Chan Mei Zhi Alcine, of the Food Science and Technology Program at NUS said, "While good bacteria are often present in food that have been fermented, there are currently no beers in the market that contain probiotics. Developing sufficient counts of live probiotics in beer is a challenging feat as beers contain hop acids that prevent the growth and survival of probiotics. As a believer of achieving a healthy diet through consuming probiotics, this is a natural choice for me when I picked a topic for my final-year project."

84 comments

  1. "As a believer"? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    As a believer of achieving a healthy diet through consuming probiotics, this is a natural choice for me when I picked a topic for my final-year project.

    Call us when you have gone through peer review by scientists who weren't hoping for a positive result before they even started. You're not doing any favours for the notion of probiotics having more scientific credibility than Revlon's latest innovation.

    1. Re:"As a believer"? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

      "Probiotics" have _Zero_ scientific validity. As in none at all and in many places, like the US and Europe, claiming that they have any validity is illegal:

      "Due to these ambiguities, the European Commission placed a ban on putting the word "probiotic" on the packaging of products because such labeling misleads consumers to believe a health benefit is provided by the product when no scientific proof exists to demonstrate that health effect.
      In the United States, the FDA and Federal Trade Commission have issued warning letters and imposed punishment on various manufacturers of probiotic products whose labels claim to treat a disease or condition."
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Probiotic

      BeauHD, you have some 'splaining to do, pushing Snakeoil on Slashdot.

    2. Re:"As a believer"? by cayenne8 · · Score: 1
      So....they're invented basically Beer Kombucha?

      Just using beer ingredients (malt extract) instead of sweet tea?

      --
      Light travels faster than sound. This is why some people appear bright until you hear them speak.........
    3. Re:"As a believer"? by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 3, Interesting

      "Probiotics" have _Zero_ scientific validity.

      That is true. But they used to have scientific validity. There was solid evidence that the probiotic bacteria in yogurt resulted in extended lifetimes in the valleys of the Caucasus Mountains, where yogurt consumption was unusually high, and always prepared with live cultures.

      ... but then in comparing age listed on birth certificates and baptismal records, with age determined by physical examination, there were wide discrepancies. It turns out the real reason for high longevity was forged documents used to avoid conscription during the First World War. The yogurt eaters actually had expected longevity well within the normal range.

      Oh well, it was a good theory while it lasted.

    4. Re:"As a believer"? by by+(1706743) · · Score: 2

      You're not doing any favours for the notion of probiotics having more scientific credibility than Revlon's latest innovation.

      Linked in TFA, and then there's a trivial web search:

      Probiotics are safe and appear to exert some beneficial effects in GI-related illnesses. The use of probiotics in non-GI illnesses is not sufficiently supported by current data.

      Or a little more googling and you'll find plenty of peer-reviewed articles saying they have a small beneficial effect (*for certain diseases/ailments*), with some studies recommending caution for various groups.

      No, they don't appear to be as medically useful as their "anti" counterparts, and they don't appear to cure cancer (though they can be good -- and bad! -- for cancer patients), but they are hardly in the same category as a beauty product.

      And

      Call us when you have gone through peer review by scientists who weren't hoping for a positive result before they even started.

      Seriously? a) That's why we have a peer review process in the first place, and b) do you honestly think we don't care one way or the other which way a study turns out? Obviously, it's our job to report the facts, but do you really think a scientist starts an experiment without, at some level, hoping for a remarkable result? There's no problem with personal bias, so long as it's just that -- *personal*, not professional.

    5. Re:"As a believer"? by mnemotronic · · Score: 2

      Oh well, it was a good theory while it lasted.

      Or perhaps we have not reached the pinnacle of ultimate medical knowledge. As they say, practicing medicine. Today's gospel is tomorrow's heresy is next year's gospel. And don't confuse probiotics with homeopathics, aka placebos.

      The human GI tract is well studied and documented but watch out if you ever get an intestinal parasite or disorder.
      Earlier this year I was infected with Cryptosporidium. My doctor tried a couple different treatments that seemed to work then didn't. I was basically a research project for something that you would think is pretty well understood. Let me tell you; it sucked. After 6 weeks of puking and diarrhea, sometimes almost simultaneously, pictures on request, I had lost 25 lbs. The doctor prescribed Metronidazole. This became a case of the treatment almost being worse than the disease. It got rid of the crypto but drastically increased my reaction to niacin and had other nasty effects. My farts smell chemically toxic. Several months later, my resting heart rate is 10 beats higher than before the crypto and Metro. Nobody has an explanation for that. Probiotics fixed the fart problem. All my doc can say is that the gut is a mystery.

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      The Russians have won. They have made the world a cesspool of distrust, greed, fear and hate.
    6. Re:"As a believer"? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You bring up a good point; the "Ether" once too had scientific validity. Maxwell's Equations work just fine without the "Ether" that he believed in.
      What many don't understand here is that Science is Iterative; it's a Process. Hypotheses get put forward, are tested, and are discarded, if found wanting by Peers. (Needless to say, Experiments need to be reproducible, and need to be reproduced, which is a process somewhat lacking in certain fields. But there is not much Glory in merely showing that somebody else was right the first time. That's why we have Grad Students.)
      There are no final Yes or Noes in Science, just finer and finer Certainties one way or another over time. "Probiotics" is a very recent word; it's a field barely worth studying as yet, although there might be something in it eventually. This is why most people first hear the term in late night "Infomercials", because that is what Gullible people do, instead of leafing through an old copy of Physical Review Letters, or Mad Magazine.
      Note that this Snakeoil bullshit from BeauHD is not referenced in any Journal. It is just a Press Release. We've seen a lot of that recently here at Slashdot; yesterday it was $12/lb Synthetic Hamburger, the day before Vertical Farming in Grocery Stores. No citings from any reputable Literature, just swallowing down and spitting back up Press Releases.
      As far as I can tell, Beau Hamilton has zero qualifications to edit Technical Stories. No University degree, no experience in the fields. He apparently started out making Vanity Videos for crissakes.
      In other words, a PR Flack who watches too many late night Infomercials for his and our own good.

      I also don't know what the hell Manish Singh is doing here, although his English has improved a bit recently.

    7. Re:"As a believer"? by reboot246 · · Score: 1

      I'm surprised your doctor didn't try a "fecal transplant" from a healthy person. It's one of the new things being researched nowadays, but it sounds kinda yucky.

      The gut is a mystery. We haven't even identified all the various bacteria that live there and have no clue what all of them actually do for or against us.

    8. Re:"As a believer"? by chuckr30 · · Score: 1

      I agree. Probiotics have no validity. We know that a family of bacteria in the gut is needed for good health, and bad health is indicated by the "bad" family of bacteria in the gut. But 1. How does the bacteria survive the alcohol? 2. How much of the bacteria actually survives a gut containing toxic chemicals in the first place?

    9. Re:"As a believer"? by Bengie · · Score: 1

      Probiotics got rid of my heartburn. Chronic heartburn can directly cause esophageal cancer. Removing the heart burn means I no longer have the risk of esophageal cancer caused by heart burn. Probiotics have reduced my risk of cancer. Stop taking probitoics, 2-3 weeks later, heart burn is back, noticeably reduced heartburn after 3-4 days, as in I don't wake up in the middle of the night from pain. I was on Prilosec for a few years before I gave probiotics a try.

      There are peer reviewed research for certain patented probiotic strains of bacteria that have very reliably reduced or nearly rid IBS symptoms or reduced the rate at which immunocompromised people got sick from regular seasonal illnesses.

      I also no longer need to consume Metamucil to have regular bowel movements. I had to start consuming Metamucil regularly after getting constipated enough to have to go to the doctor. After I started consuming probiotics, I stopped consuming Metamucil to see if I would have any issues. I did not. But if I stopped taking probiotics and Metamucil , my constipation would start to come back after 1-2 weeks as not perfectly timed bowl movements every morning or feeling bloated at night. I have tried this several times during an experimental year when I was trying to see if I needed to continue consuming supplements. I would try different combinations for different lengths of time, and I decided to make these supplements a regular part of my life after the issues would reliably go away and return depending on me taking them.

    10. Re:"As a believer"? by Bengie · · Score: 1

      Probiotic bacteria in yogurt does absolutely nothing for my heart burn but even the cheapest probiotic supplement makes a world of difference for me. Not all probiotics have perceptible, yet alone measurable, benefits.

    11. Re:"As a believer"? by toonces33 · · Score: 1

      Well lying about your age is something lots of people do, but they usually want to drop a few years and not the other way around.

  2. Sour beer? No thanks. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Accidently stopped at a beer bar in downtown Denver (not far from the convention center). All they served was sour beer. In snifters yet. Yuck. Another bar in Denver up behind the captiol building only sells Beligian beer. That place is a little better, but still not my "cup of tea". Where can someone find a good solid beer in Denver?

    1. Re: Sour beer? No thanks. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Plenty of places have New Belgium, some even have 1554, my personal favorite. I know Pioneer has that. Harder to find Flying Dog, but there are plenty of places that serve a variety of microbrews. If you are running into places that sell "only sours", I think you are making the hipster circuit: if so, try Grandma's House, which is hipstery with a decent selection.

    2. Re: Sour beer? No thanks. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I do like 1554, but New Belgium's Abbey and Portage are really good beers, too. New Belgium's Trippel is pretty good, too. If you can't find a New Belgium beer that you like, there's something wrong with you. I haven't been around Denver a whole lot, but Boulder has some really good breweries. Every time I'm out there, I make sure to visit Walnut Brewery, which has a lot of really good beers. I've had way too much of their IPA a few times, but it was worth it.

    3. Re: Sour beer? No thanks. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I've passed by the New Belgium brewery dozens of times in Fort Collins but I've always been too busy to stop. Love their Ranger IPA though. It is the closest tasting to the original long gone Ballentine IPA that I've ever come across.

    4. Re: Sour beer? No thanks. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'll have to give that a try. I've tried several of New Belgium's beers, but never that one. I've been drinking Deschutes Inversion lately, which is a pretty tasty IPA. I missed out on seeing any Accumulation in the supermarket this year, but I liked it when I found it in past years. I live in Nebraska but I make trips to CU once in awhile for my job, which is why I stay in Boulder rather than Denver. I'll have to give the Ranger IPA a try. I'll be buying some beer for the weekend and the 4th, so that'll definitely be on my list to buy. Thanks!

    5. Re: Sour beer? No thanks. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      You're having problems finding a good beer in denver ?

      You're doing it wrong.

    6. Re:Sour beer? No thanks. by Quirkz · · Score: 1

      Try the Wynkoop brewpub. It's about halfway between the Convention Center and Coors Field.

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      The Quirkz Handbook of Self-Improvement for People Who Are Already Pretty Okay
  3. Look for the disclaimer by Chewbacon · · Score: 4, Insightful

    These statements have not been evaluated by the FDA. This product is not intended to diagnose, treat, cure, or prevent any disease.

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    Chewbacon
    The Bible is like Wikipedia: written by a bunch of people and verifiable by questionable sources.
    1. Re:Look for the disclaimer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I got a feeling that it could induce some diarrhea.

    2. Re:Look for the disclaimer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      wouldn't this fall under some sort law, the same that keeps nabisco, for instance, from selling oreo cookies loaded with "100% of 16 essential nutrients"?

      plus, there's already this sort of food product available.. in some varieties of yogurt.

      and finally, beware of the probiotics, they can really mess up your internal plumbing, especially in the quantities a beer drinker would typically consume. hell, even just one 4-6 oz container of yogurt is enough.

  4. Starbucks Ice by Roger+W+Moore · · Score: 1

    Let's just hope they are using different approach to the one which Starbucks et al seems to be using. (It's probably a good idea to finish your coffee before clicking!)

  5. How much do you have to drink by ozduo · · Score: 4, Funny

    To get a healthy beer gut?

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    I got to the chocolate box before you, that's why the hard ones have teeth marks.
  6. More famous last words ... by sk999 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    "No, No, these are the GOOD kind of bacteria."

    1. Re:More famous last words ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, they were good bacteria, but after getting into beer they started making bad decisions, ultimately winding up in the toilet.

  7. Soon afterwards the Zombie apocolyspe started! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Spread through a "good bacteria" introduced in beer. :P

  8. Homer Simpson said it by Megahard · · Score: 1

    "Beer, is there anything it can't do?"

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    I eat only the real part of complex carbohydrates.
    1. Re:Homer Simpson said it by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 2

      "Beer. The cause of - and solution to - all life's problems."

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      #DeleteChrome
  9. What was old becomes new again... by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 1

    Before scientists figured out that clean water was safer to drink, people drink alcohol all the time because the fermentation process killed most bacteria.

    1. Re:What was old becomes new again... by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 1

      DRANK, you hairy-fingered simian! Why do you have such a hard time getting tenses correct?

      This is Slashdot, not a literary magazine.

    2. Re:What was old becomes new again... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Fill up my cup (Drank)
      Mozoltov (La' Chaim)
      Look at her dancing (Move it Move it)
      Just take it off

      Let's paint the town (paint the town)
      We'll shut it down (Shut it down)
      Let's burn the roof
      And then we'll do it again

      Let's do it, let's do it
      Let's do it
      Let's do it, and do it, and do it
      Let's live it up

      And do it, and do it, and do it, do it, do it
      Let's do it
      Let's do it
      Let's do it, do it, do it, do it

      Here we come
      Here we go
      We gotta rock (rock, rock, rock, rock)
      Easy come

      Easy go
      Now we on top (top, top, top, top)
      Feel the shot
      Body rock

      Rock it don't stop (stop, stop, stop, stop)
      Round and round
      Up and down
      Around the clock (clock, clock, clock, clock)
      Monday, Tuesday
      Wednesday, and Thursday
      Friday, Saturday
      Saturday to Sunday
      Get get get get get with us
      You know what we say
      Party every day
      Pa pa pa Party every day
      And I'm feelin (ooooo hoooo)
      That tonight's gonna be a good night
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      I gotta feeling (oooooo hoooo) that tonight's gonna be a good night
      That tonight's gonna be a good night
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      Ooooooo hooooo

    3. Re:What was old becomes new again... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't think anyone has ever confused you with anything literary. You don't need to write for a "literary magazine" to master grade-school grammar.

      Learn to spell, you're no ee cummings...

    4. Re:What was old becomes new again... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This isn't really true. There were SOME people who did this, but only in the cities, and even then the vast majority of people drank water. For instance, the emergence of the germ theory owes something to a cholera epidemic in London, where people were drinking water from feces-infested wells.

      For people living in the countryside, there wasn't a need to drink alcohol all the time to avoid water-borne disease, and of course they would want to avoid the expense & bother of doing so.

    5. Re:What was old becomes new again... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's correct. Slashdot is a bastion of illiteracy. Not to mention innumeracy, and idiocy.

      We certainly wouldn't want any of that to change.

    6. Re:What was old becomes new again... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      people were drinking water from feces-infested wells.

      I prefer to drink from jism-filled wells.

    7. Re:What was old becomes new again... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Brewing involves boiling water to make the mash so it is the boiling, not the alcohol that sterilizes - just like tea. Try drinking a cola pop if you need to attempt to sterilize your guts after a dodgy kebab. Vomiting might not be enough :-)

    8. Re:What was old becomes new again... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Before scientists figure out bad me drink marijuana horse medecine no alcol.

      http://www.horsenation.com/201...

  10. Dr. Banjo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "As a believer of achieving a healthy diet through consuming probiotics..."

    Sorry, but you believe in bullshit.

    -Matt

    1. Re:Dr. Banjo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      If you don't think bacteria is important to proper digestion then I suggest you go on antibiotics for a month and see how well you can digest things.

      That said, all things in moderation.

  11. Someone IMPROVED on "Beer" ? by Zurkeyon3733 · · Score: 1

    Buy that Man a NEW AND IMPROVED BEER! :-D (I mean shit, at that point what else would you get him....)

  12. Wrong product by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I really don't see people buying beer based on this feature.

    1. Re: Wrong product by kenh · · Score: 1

      I was under the impression that beer companies want to sell a lot of beer, not 'one per' drinker...

      Imagining someone grabbing a six-pack of this 'poop beer' and jumping in a row boat to go fishing - I imagine it could get 'messy' when that 6x dose of probiotic emzymes hits their digestive system...

      --
      Ken
    2. Re: Wrong product by Zurkeyon3733 · · Score: 1

      This all depends on how "regular" you are... This could be the perfect beer if you find yourself trying to crap a concrete silo every morning :-P

    3. Re: Wrong product by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      However, there are actually legitimate solutions backed up by real science to deal with that issue. Increase the amount of fiber in your diet. There are plenty of other health benefits to a high-five diet, too. And, to think, this is actually supported by science.

    4. Re: Wrong product by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you poop a concrete silo in the morning after drinking beer, you should consider drinking water or a fluid replacement.

  13. Really? by kenh · · Score: 1

    Researchers Create New Probiotic Beer That Boosts Immunity

    Poop beer?

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    Ken
  14. Why not just omit the hops? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Curiosity...if the hops were the issue, why not brew the beer without hops? Beer hasn't always had hops, some people actually like unhopped beer, and I'm guessing the "probiotic" would at last partially offset the spoilage risk of removing the hops.

  15. Boost immunity? by SuicidalLabRat · · Score: 2

    What the hell is that supposed to mean?

  16. "Boost immunity" = quackery by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's as simple as that. Anything that claims to "boost your immune system" is automatically suspect; as this article says, you can't boost your immune system, and you really don't want to.

    There may be good things about this beer. But the way it's being presented just screams of scientific and medical ignorance.

  17. Probiotics is horseshit by PopeRatzo · · Score: 2

    There is a lot more to maintaining healthy gut bacteria than just drinking them down. There have been precious few studies that show "probiotic" foods or drinks actually do anything, and almost none that show effects that are more than extremely temporary.

    If you want to have healthy gut bacteria, you've got to eat a variety of healthy food that have been minimally processed or not processed at all. And stay off the antibiotics. Fermented foods and foods that are advertised as having "live bacteria" just won't get the job done.

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    You are welcome on my lawn.
    1. Re:Probiotics is horseshit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Some probiotics come wrapped in little wax wrappers to get through the acid stomach alive (eg. LactominPlus from South Korea) and they are pretty powerful but they are also still killed by drinking beer so I am skeptical about this new beer. I think beer now has a new special problem because of the new wine yeasts being used to brew beer at double strength (then diluted) and maybe it is not as nice on the human guts as the old fashioned traditional yeasts ? Just a theory. Never underestimate the effects of your gut flora: they have been scientifically proven to influence obesity, IBS, neuronal toxicity, inflammation, cancer, happiness, longevity .... I suggest occasional antibiotics when necessary and then kiss the smartest slimmest girl that you can find. Do it often.

    2. Re:Probiotics is horseshit by sad_ · · Score: 1

      eating varied and healthy, skipping my nice fat, salty and suggary processed foods sounds too much trouble.
      i'd rather just go for feces transplantation instead...

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      On a long enough timeline, the survival rate for everyone drops to zero.
    3. Re:Probiotics is horseshit by Evtim · · Score: 1

      Fermented foods and foods that are advertised as having "live bacteria" just won't get the job done

      That sir, is a fallacy :)

      Yogurt that has no live bacteria inside is a simple protein shake, so why would you buy it in the first place - get the shake instead! My apologies to all you reasonable /. readers and writers; I am well aware that "official medicine" has not figured out the GI tract yet. However, I simply cannot discount my own experience here - when you get cured [by fermented foods and some probiotics] within few months after suffering for 7 years [ and now 3 years later without probiotics, just good diet and some fermented foods] and being given every possible "medically approved and tested" treatment I can only say "figure out the science instead of blatantly disregarding so many successfully treatments".

      I mean, nobody disputes the importance of the little monsters in our guts [even here we get 1 story per month about it; check the TED talks too, etc.]. But we don't know everything there....OK one thing we DO know is that the food of today is sterilized. So where do you get the bugs from if due to illness or antibiotic they are decimated? From the appendix, says the latest research - but many people have that one removed [BTW, here is another "approved scientific fact" - that the appendix has no useful function - that turned out to be quite wrong!]. Many bugs would come from the air but some can be found ONLY in non-sterilized food.

      But it gest worse - not only is the food sterilized but in a green house environment [alas, not only] the bugs are missing from the "soil" itself...guess what, many minerals we get from food are present in the plant because those microorganisms in the soil put them there....

      What I see here is the perfect scam that always results when things are left in the hands of "money". We deprive our food from beneficial microorganisms and minerals and instead we manufacture those as pills and sell them for top buck WITHOUT having good understanding about how those things are assimilated by the body. Will probiotic deliver the bugs in the large intestine - most of the time the answer is NO! Same with the milti-vitamin pills and mineral pills - this way of assimilating is not what the body is used to and many times the delivery mechanism fails. I mean, if it was that easy, why don't we feed ourselves directly with glucose - after all the nutrients end up in the blood stream as sugar. Bypass the whole thing - feed yourself directly with sugar and vitamins and see what that would do. But no - it does not work....you need the food, all of it - the plants, the meat, the fish, diary and so on....you need the bugs in the food and the minerals.

      Only humans are so stupid as to try replacing the excellent, optimized, perfectly evolved and adapted way of living and interacting of our bodies with the environment with artificial, engineering constructions. Like the idiots that want to build a mirror in space [or create clouds with ships, or created nuclear winter by dispersing sulphur in the air] to deflect sun light instead of lowering the bloody green house emissions!

      Bottom line: probiotics are largely a scam due to failed delivery mechanism not because the bugs do not help! Fermented foods are not scam and they do help, period!
      Remember - the fact that carbon trading is a scam does not mean there is no global warming! Do not throw the baby with the water!

    4. Re:Probiotics is horseshit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Great post.

      I have had to take a lot of antibiotics lately because of an infection.
      I noticed rather quickly their effect on me, both good and bad.

      To counter what they have done to my gut flora/fauna, I have ate and drank a lot of fermented foods and drinks.
      I can tell you my health has improved in many ways.

      Fermented foods and drinks are definitely not a scam.

    5. Re:Probiotics is horseshit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I recently went on antibiotics for an ear infection. The literature my Doc gave me recommended I take probiotics, and claimed it would take 3 months for my GI flora to return to normal without probiotics. That's where U.S. Western medicine is today...

      They're not wrong. Some years back, in the mid-90s, I had the most awful chronic diarrhea. Just every day, nothing helped. I finally saw my doctor about it and he told me to "Learn to live with it". So I started taking yogurt. I had this allergy to milk, so it was an odd dairy-free yogurt. And it helped. It really fixed my diarrhea problem. At least for a while...

      One day, completely out of the blue, for no apparent reason, that yogurt just stopped working. I'm eating more and more of this yogurt, my diarrhea is getting worse and worse every day, and nothing seems to help. Then, after a week or two of suffering, I noticed the label on the yogurt I was eating had changed. It now read "Heat Pasteurized". I changed brands of yogurt, and my diarrhea was gone 5 hours later.

      So yeah, I'm a believer! Probiotics work!

      Now most of what you see for sale as "probiotics" is junk. Live cultures aren't going to handle sitting on the shelf at room temperature at your drugstore for months on end. But you try something good, and they're refrigerated & expensive, well the good stuff is a lot more reliable than what you randomly get in yogurt. Try Kirkman Lab's Pro-Bio Gold Chewable Wafers . They work quite well.

    6. Re:Probiotics is horseshit by dj245 · · Score: 1

      There is a lot more to maintaining healthy gut bacteria than just drinking them down. There have been precious few studies that show "probiotic" foods or drinks actually do anything, and almost none that show effects that are more than extremely temporary.

      If you want to have healthy gut bacteria, you've got to eat a variety of healthy food that have been minimally processed or not processed at all. And stay off the antibiotics. Fermented foods and foods that are advertised as having "live bacteria" just won't get the job done.

      There has been a lot of scientific activity lately that shows that the bacteria in the gut play a large role in every aspect of both mental and physical health. There is correlation that fat people and thin people have different ratios of different types of bacteria. Cause or effect, who knows, but the correlation is there.

      My personal pet theory (based on basically nothing) is that it is reasonable to assume that bacteria which are successful in breaking down food outside the body may also affect how food is broken down inside the body. In our refrigerated, sanitize everything western society, we may be damping down such kinds of good bacteria. In my wife's culture, it is acceptable to leave stews, soups, and sauces on the countertop for much longer than most people in the USA. Leaving a stew, covered, at room temperature for 24-48 hours is common in her culture. The food is reheated before eating, but even so, this practice is almost unthinkable to most Americans. This difference in practice could result in differences in bacteria, either directly by allowing bacteria to grow on the food, or indirectly by breaking down the food outside the body and giving certain internal bacteria an advantage over other types.

      Even if we are eating the exact same foods, the exact details of how it is prepared may matter.

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      Even those who arrange and design shrubberies are under considerable economic stress at this period in history.
    7. Re:Probiotics is horseshit by Bengie · · Score: 1

      there is correlation that fat people and thin people have different ratios of different types of bacteria. Cause or effect, who knows, but the correlation is there.

      There have been a few fecal transplants where a fat person got one from a skinny person, then the fat person lost nearly all of their excess weight after the transplant without a change to their diet or exercise.

    8. Re:Probiotics is horseshit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't think anyone disputes that the microbiome is important: just look at how C difficile patients change from death's door needing major abdominal surgery to fine and fully recovered within 24 hours of a poo transplant in 90% of cases. Probiotics can have a dramatic effect to - especially fighting pathogens even if the probiotic bacteria themselves don't hang around long. Think about the mechanics, the process by which probiotics work: they probably must make their own antibiotics to be able to blast away the pathogens but one doesn't need to take antibiotics forever, just for a time. Expecting the probiotic bugs to hang around forever is ignoring how we use antibiotics to -treat- infections

  18. What's next? by markdavis · · Score: 1

    Perhaps vitamin C added to cigarettes or Omga fatty acids in pot brownies or high protein potato chips or super fiber added to mega caffeine energy drinks? Hmmm.

    Or you could just eat those without the carriers?

  19. When you've had enough actimel... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    /AC

  20. Meaningless Drivel by ContextSwitch · · Score: 1
    "Boost the immune system" means what exactly?

    " neutralizing toxins" - what are these "toxins"?

    "Good bacteria" - over-simplification.

    /. - you're better than this!

  21. They definitely wonâ(TM)t survive your stomac by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    All this probiotic stuff needs to be refrigerated and enteric coated (pill coating breaks down in the gut after passing through your stomach).

  22. Defeats the purpose of beer by dargaud · · Score: 3, Interesting
    OK, I'll try to sum up what beer and yeast is. Yeast evolved over a long time by actually loosing the ability to turn alcohol into vinegar. Many microorganisms can digest sugars into alcohol and then vinegar in one fell swoop. When yeast lost that, it was actually an evolutionary advantage because alcohol is toxic, so by itself evolving to resist the toxicity of alcohol, it could kill of the competition (all the other microorganisms present in rotting fruits) and live happily. Men used that ability to make beer, wine, etc... Wild yeast dies off after something like 8% alcohol, but humans have been selecting it for 10ky so it resists 12% (and now up to 15% in some strong wines).

    So, my point is that making a beer with other stuff growing in it can mean only a few things: either you kill off the yeast after its work is done and replace it with probiotics, or you make a piss weak beer that won't kill off the probiotics, or it's bullshit and the probiotic's dead from the alcohol.

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    1. Re:Defeats the purpose of beer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      From the article

      The final product, which takes around a month to brew, has an alcohol content of about 3.5 percent."

      Alcohol content of some beers [source]
      Corona Light = 4.1%
      Greens Tripel Blonde Ale = 8.5%
      Coors Light = 4.2%
      Milwaukee's Best Ice = 5.9%

      fun fact: during the Prohibition, beers/wine with less than 3.2% alcohol are considered "non-intoxicating" and exempted from the ban.

    2. Re:Defeats the purpose of beer by hawkfish · · Score: 1

      OK, I'll try to sum up what beer and yeast is. Yeast evolved over a long time by actually loosing the ability to turn alcohol into vinegar. Many microorganisms can digest sugars into alcohol and then vinegar in one fell swoop. When yeast lost that, it was actually an evolutionary advantage because alcohol is toxic, so by itself evolving to resist the toxicity of alcohol, it could kill of the competition (all the other microorganisms present in rotting fruits) and live happily. Men used that ability to make beer, wine, etc... Wild yeast dies off after something like 8% alcohol, but humans have been selecting it for 10ky so it resists 12% (and now up to 15% in some strong wines).

      Not only that, but humans have been evolving to tolerate ethyl alcohol for about 10My:

      The results suggested there was a single genetic mutation 10 million years ago that endowed human ancestors with an enhanced ability to break down ethanol. "I remember seeing this huge difference in effects with this mutation and being really surprised," Carrigan said.

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  23. Driving under the influence? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    No, Sir! This beer gives me immunity!

  24. Probiotics do not enhance your immune system by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Probiotics are useful for the prevention of antibiotic-associated diarrhea. Probiotics may be helpful in preventing other overgrowth syndromes or diseases associated, and perhaps with perturbations of the gut microbial flora such as IBS and colic. Probiotics are foreign bacteria that are not a normal part of your GI tract; they do not enhance your immune system and, in normal people do not promote the nebulous bowel health. If you are a normal human, with a normal diet, save your money. Probiotics have nothing to offer but an increased cost.

  25. It's called Kombucha by Dripdry · · Score: 1

    It's called Kombucha, people!

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    1. Re:It's called Kombucha by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'll have to make sure I have some more of the Kombucha beers again this year at beerfest next month.

  26. BO-RING! by Thud457 · · Score: 1

    We've already got beer that makes people more attractive.
    Also one that makes them experts at sports trivia and politics.

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  27. I've had this beer already. by Beardo+the+Bearded · · Score: 1

    One of the local breweries makes a Dinosour beer with these Lactus bacterial beasties in it.

    Not bad. Not great either.

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  28. Sour beers... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Are nothing new. There's a brewery in Duluth MN that specializes in them.

  29. so I get an autoimmume disease ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Boosting your immume system is total bullshit... it works, or it doesn't. If it works and you would 'boost' it, you would get an autoimmume disease.

  30. Eat Your Garlic by rea1l1 · · Score: 1

    https://authoritynutrition.com...

    http://www.cbsnews.com/news/me...

    1. Re:Eat Your Garlic by mnemotronic · · Score: 1

      Thanks! I love the "This is what garlic looks like" picture :-) How can anyone not know this? My wife has IBS, SIBO and endometriosis, so we're well aware of curcuminoids, which sounds like some kind of alien life-form from Star Trek: "We are the Curcuminoids. Prepare to be Adwords-sorbed. It is the will of Land 'O Roo"

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  31. And Don't Forget Your Turmeric Too by rea1l1 · · Score: 1

    https://authoritynutrition.com...

  32. obvious flaw in claim by iggymanz · · Score: 1

    the yeast in beer and wine is a probiotic

  33. Boosts Immunity = Quack Phrase by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If it actually boosted your immune system then people with autoimmune diseases like rheumatoid arthritis and MS would be further sickened by it. Also people with organic transplants would be risking rejection by drinking it. It's a phrase commonly used by quacks.

  34. Healthy beer? Get rid of the hops! Hops = poison. by scatbomb · · Score: 1

    It's well known that hops were added to beer by the church in 1516 through the "beer purity act" in order to quell it's people, counter-act the beers used in pagan rituals, and to extract taxes. Hops contains large amounts of estradiol, which converts in estrogen in the body and causes men to become fat, lazy, less virile, and less energetic. The church first noticed this when they found that girls working the hops began menstruating very early and men had decreased sexual desire. Before the beer purity act, beer contained a large variety of herbs and roots which were used to prevent spoilage in place of hops. Beers of the pre-hops period (now called "gruits") are more refreshing and less sleep-inducing than the hops-containing beers. So if you want to make a beer that isn't destructive to the body, get rid of the hops. It's that easy. http://brewgruit.blogspot.com/...