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The White House Now Has Zero Science Advisors (cbsnews.com)
DogDude shares an article from CBS News:
The science division of the White House's Office of Science and Technology Policy was unstaffed as of Friday as the three remaining employees departed this week, sources tell CBS News... On Friday afternoon, Eleanor Celeste, the assistant director for biomedical and forensic sciences at the OSTP, tweeted, "Science division out. Mic drop" before leaving the office for the last time...
Under Mr. Obama, the science division was staffed with nine employees who led the charge on policy issues such as STEM education, biotechnology and crisis response. It's possible that the White House will handle these issues through staff in other divisions within the OSTP.
Under Mr. Obama, the science division was staffed with nine employees who led the charge on policy issues such as STEM education, biotechnology and crisis response. It's possible that the White House will handle these issues through staff in other divisions within the OSTP.
A government of the idiots, by the idiots and for the idiots.
The world's burning. Moped Jesus spotted on I50. Details at 11.
...since Pol Trump and the NRA Rouge will be rounding up the intellectuals and putting them in concentration camps before long.
I can see why they need a science advisor.
cease fire stand down,, free the innocent stem cells.. sing along.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lRjItDLnAwc .. truth+mercy=justice..
Maybe there are plenty of advisers available in the Tens of Thousands of Government employees at the Dozens of various agencies...
No need to pay twice.
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"Believe me, I know more than the scientists. I'm really smart, everyone around me knows it. I don't necessarily do formulas and ya da da, but I have natural instincts; I smell science like a cat, and pounce--beautiful bigly American Science! #MASGA!"
Table-ized A.I.
If only "science advisers" were honest, up-to-date working scientists willing to say exactly what they think without fear or favour.
However, most government "science advisers" are chosen by politicians and civil servants, on mainly political grounds, from the ranks of the "great and the good". In other words, they are likely to be elderly, dignified, wealthy, highly regarded by all - and not to have done any actual research, or read any current papers, for a good many years.
They are the kind of people who fall easily into line with government policies and politically correct views. They are the kind of people who agree that solar power (for instance) is far cheaper than fossil fuels or nuclear, and who have a remarkable ability not to notice things like this: https://hardware.slashdot.org/...
I am sure that there are many other solipsists out there.
Great! now I know where to go when I need advice on the science of zeros.
Problem solved!
So, under Obama, they had 9 people working in this office, making $150,000 a year, doing... what exactly?
What were the great visionary policies for science coming out of the Obama White House?
What great technologies did the administration sponsor?
Maybe they advised the President well on internet and cybersecurity issues, to the benefit of the nation's retailers and online account holders?
No, the OSTP focused on education policy, advocated for more women in science, preached climate change, and worked for social justice. Their primary accomplishments were creating more boards and commissions and hiring more bureaucrats. They also wrote some boring non-technical non-policy papers. Oh, yes, they gave a number of empty speeches.
Futurists, with much better paychecks, at the taxpayers expense.
So, what loss is it to not have self-important 'advisers' and 'science experts' hanging around doing nothing useful? Abolish the office entirely, and return to they way it was in the 70s, before ignorant celebrity 'scientists' got government jobs.
I know that we would like to view every country on Earth as occupants of this cooperative spaceship that has to sustain humanity, and therefore in a sense it doesn't matter all that much that we get set back by one country slowing its science progress for a few years...
But in reality...
It's still a race for competitive advantage between countries, and seriously, the Chinese, Indians, Singaporeans, etc.etc are going to start eating our lunch, guys (even more than they are) -- and every move we make gets us forward or back a step in the race against them.
I think a lot of people don't want to admit this winner-takes-all reality... especially if they grow up in a highly liberal California environment where everyone is supposed to be nice to each other...
And they'll get however many they need. As it is, everytime a government changes, staff overhauls happen - not just at cabinet level, but also the bureaucrats. Yeah, there was always the argument that one needs the bureaucrats for continuity, but this time, you have a bureaucracy that's hell bent on sabotaging the agenda of the new administration. We saw it w/ Sally Yates & the travel ban, and more recently w/ 'Reality Winner'.
There is no reason for any Obama holdovers. Those 9 Science advisors ain't the only scientists in the land. First of all, w/ a $20T deficit, the administration does need to take a hard look at what sort of people are needed, and then, staff up accordingly. Also, the confirmation of all of this president's appointees have been historically slow - be it cabinet, ambassadors, department spokespeople, et al. So let them fill what they need as and when needed.
How is it possible that "other" OSTP employees will "handle" anything, when according to the post there are no other employees? If "science policy wonks" were competent educators, then would they be "science policy wonks"? Similarly for "crises management", why would the WH need some science wonk involved at the executive level in crises management? On its face, the evacuation of the office seems reasonable, given Trump's ignorance of and disinterest in facts (or the truth for that matter). The more alarming (imho) reality is that this must reduce the availability of factual advice to the entire WH staff, not just Trump. OTOH, I have no idea whether these people acted as "honest brokers" or as policy advocates, but I wouldn't be surprised if they tended towards the latter. It is likely that given the policy makers in the WH this is a good thing. I doubt any of them were willing to listen to anything contradicting their own ignorant beliefs.
He had bureaucrats posing as knowledgeable people of science. And every person in that White House was ideological, partisan, and willing to throw themselves under a bus on command. Witness the flaming pile of shit named Jonathan Gruber who managed the fumble the health care ball multiple times, make a fool of himself, all to attract attention away from the tire fire of Obamacare from the cheerleader-in-chief.
A government that can spend $4 Trillion can easily hire expertise when needed. What we don't need is 9 highly paid advisors who tell the president exactly what he wants to hear.
Knowing Trump and the fact that he's illogical, uninformed, unreasonable and hostile to anyone who spooks him, 9 science advisors is a waste of taxpayer money and would be fired the first time they spoke up.
When the so-called "scientists" forge data, hide legitimate data, and tailor their data to fit predetermined conclusions, they are not scientists.
Obama's "scientists" were third tier sycophants, professional bureaucrats, frauds, and quacks. Good riddance to bad rubbish.
science is just a mater of opinion! Everybody's voice counts!
I don't know about you, but I certainly believe everything that anonymous sources tell me.
Those advisers were all the-sky-is-falling Progressives. The fewer bureaucrats like this then the better.
Science is so sad. So sad. Science is like "facts". Wrong. America will be great. Science is fake news. So sad.
The current GOP is, let's face it, angry old white men who don't want to be told they're wrong about anything. Science is the repeatable process of destroying that.
Their "strategy" if you can call it that as such is to lash out at these otherwise apolitical threats to their bullshit, regardless of who they are: The nonpartisan GAO, Comey, Mueller, every single reporter ever, 99.5% of the world's climatologists and 99.9% of those not on big oil payrolls, educators, actors, comedians, economists, historians, judges, the Pope even. If anything any of the world says is a threat to your ideology, you are at ideological 'war' with those groups/concepts. The Republicans have taken this to a new height. They are at war with anything that is not them.
She's a scientologist. Sounds sciencey, and she's available! If she declines, get Van Halen. Any Van would probably work.
The vast majority of supporters of the buffoon-in-chief not only do not like science, but they actively despise it.
A government of the idiots, by the idiots and for the idiots
A quite sorry, demeaning & undignified depiction of the generous people of the USA.
For this, you should be ashamed of yourself.
The US is the first to lend aid in disasters around the world. We send our aircraft carriers to desalinate water and pass it out for free, and supply power to the hospitals while the local population recovers.
And when the crisis is over we send our aircraft carriers home, without conquering those nations.
We helped Europe deal with Nazi Germany, then poured billions of dollars into efforts at rebuilding the continent. We forgave billions of dollars of that debt, and continue to shoulder more of the bill for ongoing security than other countries (NATO).
We defeated Japan, occupied the country for a short time, rebuilt their infrastructure, and left them largely with their dignity intact. Japan is not a slave nation to the US, nor another US territory, nor do we laugh and deride them for losing.
The US is the worlds policemen, the country everyone looks to stop genocides and gas warfare and tyrants.
We have innumerable private charities that spend money all over the world to help pull people out of poverty and oppression. One past president has just about finished eliminating Guinea worm worldwide.
We have a ton of problems and endlessly debate them in the public eye, but that is by design. We're loud, insulting, and sometimes ignorant and insensitive.
Saying that we're all idiots is fine, that's your right.
But note that we idiots still help out when disasters happen worldwide, and when the disaster is over we come home without conquering anyone.
We're idiots, but compassionate and generous.
STEM education has gotten worse and isn't the president's job; biotechnology does just fine without presidential interference; and crisis response is handled by FEMA.
I think this illustrates how pointless "the science division" actually was.
For he certainly put them to good use.... What with the "Focus on Muslim Outreach" mandate Obama issued to NASA.
Look, Trump already has a scientist he can refer to if so be. His name is Ben Carson. And he is as good as anyone Obama had working for him.
Caution: Contents under pressure
People of all persuasions are majority low information people.
Perhaps it's based around the belief that if you claim to have the information then you're selling something and have no actual interest in them but rather your product.
The deplorable would be shipped off to re-education camps
The White House staff employees serve at the President's discretion. Typical turnover; and good to get the Obama Viet Cong out!
The employees are Policy advisors, degrees in Law, "Political Science" (a non-science), B.A. in Government and JDs not even trained in any science discipline.
In addition, The White House has re-initiated the National Space Council, chaired by the Vice President. Likely they need office space, which is very limited at the old WH.
/begin rant /end rant
Why would you need science advisors when you only care about business? Science and research are a waste of time when you are focused on maximizing business profits. Purchase or steal the technology from someone else. Even better subcontract all of the science and research out.
I really like that he is going to tax the churches.
Big central gov't shouldn't dictate education: State & Local offices should, as they see fit. This is the United STATES. Not United CENTRAL GOV'T.!
* Period...
APK
P.S.=> When we are the United CENTRAL GOV'T. = God, then I will say otherwise. Until then, the Trump administration's done the right thing (dismantling central gov't. education control is another step in the right direction s well - no more DUMBED-DOWN "std. curriculum" CENTRAL GOVERNMENT DICTATES - let local juridictions/principalities decide their OWN)... apk
Obama did nothing special.
IGNORE...
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Trump is a dumb bitch. Like his voters.
They'll handle these issues in the office of creationism and other bullshittery.
What the fuck does that even mean? Were they fired? Did they quit? Where's the actual story in that article?
Good. One less post to eliminate once actual sanity resumes.
FFS, why to we need a "science advisor" at all? Oh yeah, "global warming" "cough" "climate change. The gov totally does the weather now. So kill that program. It's entire purpose is to "predict" its own requirements. Classic bureaucracy.
Anyone in a gov office feel like poking a head out while I am at it? Kill em all is not just a great metal album, but also a good guiding principle of public policy.
Meet the new boss, same as the old boss.
OK, different colored ties. And why doesn't anyone say anything about orange hair color? I don't think that's been done before.
There were several more were not yet completely convinced, 2% compared to 97% were convinced by the evidence. Only 1% denied the problem. And Sessions picked from that 1%.
https://youtu.be/e857ZcuIfnI?t...
He know's things, he's the best at knowing, believe me. MAGA!
He can do anything with his computer.
So what? More Obamabots left the govt. This happens EVERY TIME the White House switches from one party to another. Obama kicked out all of Bush43's science advisors. Clinton did it to Bush41's, Bush did it to Clinton's, etc.
Meanwhile: Trump just re-established the Kennedy-era National Space Council on July 1st (which helped in the Apollo era moon program) that Nixon and Carter neglected, Reagan re-started, Bill Clinton killed, and Bush43 and Obama leaft dead.
Also, QUALITY means something.
The Obama team were blithering idiots who only wrapped the word "science" around their hyper leftwing political fevers. Obama's chief science advisor was John Holdren - a freaky anti-science marxist from the 70's who famously co-wrote with doomsday author Paul Erlich about all the ways life on Earth was coming to an end. The dude freaked-out a generation and indirectly influenced Hollywood to make movies like "Soylent Green", "Planet of the Apes", and "Silent Running". Holdren famously bet that the world would be running out of vital minerals by the 1990s (he lost,obviously). Holdren was the leader of the carnival freaks of the previous administration currently departing the White House. The Obama team not only NEVER asked any skeptical questions about any of the global warming claptrap, or the "peak oil" garbage, or any othe apocolyptic drivel, they would not allow nor fund ANY skeptical research (which is how you replace SCIENCE with CONSENSUS). The left pushes policy in part by frightening soccer moms, so they embrace and hype this stuff - and that's just not honest science, it's more like the science of phrenology which was popular with goebbels.
For more than a decade, I tried to serve the public good by working in the public sector. I finally got fed up with the shit pay, the shit I got when people found out I worked in the government (called a pig at the trough, incompetent, stupid, lazy, a drone, had my car vandalized multiple times, threaten with death on a weekly basis, and assaulted) and got a job in the private sector that pays one hell of a lot better.
The key here is that there is now a majority of people that think science and engineering are "just someone's opinion." That is true to a limited extent that it is indeed an opinion - but it's an opinion formed from training, intense study, experience, and perseverance. These opinions are not something someone pulls out of their ass.
The current administration was elected by the sorts of people that deny scientific opinion because it conflicts with their world view. The sorts of folks that think welfare is for the lazy the drug addicted, and cheats. Of course the white house science department has no employees. The people that elected this administration do not value science, compassion, empathy, or Christian Values, despite many of them calling themselves Christians. They are not Christians. At best they mistake their fear and anger for piety, their selfishness, lack of compassion and imagination as "being strong". These attitudes serve no one but the top 1%. The key here is that if you read this, you will never be one of the top 1%.
"The world isn't fair" is an excuse I hear a lot, which is true, life frequently isn't fair. Evil prospers when good men do nothing. There's nothing like doing nothing to ensure that life will remain unfair, and uncaring.
Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves.
Seriously wtf can't we just set the government to a -1% net budget every year and then in 99 years the last one out can shut off the lights.
Fake News is what science is Fake News, and I will see that it will be stomped right out like the rest of the fake news out there. Watch my tweets and you will see all the science you will need to see. Trump
John
Sorry folks, the constitution is still important and nowhere does it state the that the executive branch should promote science and education. Federalism leaves those kind of things to anybody else but not the federal government. Why would you look to the federal government for science, education or even healthcare?
He can certainly do your mom with it.
And wont recover until Trump is gone.
And with Obama...no honesty, no willingness to explain his agenda until it was already shoved down our throats, the lies, the lack of basic transparency, his loyalty to illegals over real Americans the race baiting.....shall we go on? Just saying.
This buffoon will be even more hilarious to watch.
America is now a failed state.
Office of Financial Science and FinTech Policy...
One drops the mic for triumph.
This doesn't sound like she was winning...
So Hillary lied in 1996 with the stupid sort of shit many politicians do of vastly overstating danger every time they go onto the same continent as a military situation?
So? What is the point? Hillary is old news and never coming back. Why are you bringing her up quote altering guy? It's not as if you are not a liar yourself.
Education and crisis response are not sciences. If you rely on a physicist to figure out how to save people in a burning building, you are going to have a building full of corpses.
Troll is not a replacement for I disagree.
Starting with the obvious clickbait lie in the title, which the editor should know is a lie on the face of it. And since the editor did not correct,,, well you can see where this goes.
Oh, awesome! Now perhaps real scientists who adhere to the scientific method can fill the vacuum of disgrace the climate conjecture cronies left behind. I honestly believe that we might be headed towards oblivion, but I really hate when funding promotes findings. Hopefully in the ashes we will see some real science. Perhaps It is a foolish hope, but I would love to see credible advances in how we might improve life on our planet.
The science advisors were like art critics in a drawing school: they cramped the style of the government as it makes up new science.
You don't create the scientific equivalent of cubism while the establishment keeps complaining that you are doing it all wrong.
They weren't science advisors - they were the clerisy for the environmentalists.
Twitter supports and protects racists - by smearing their critics with the "Hate Speech" label.
He represents the US, especially those marginalized by leftist policies.
Twitter supports and protects racists - by smearing their critics with the "Hate Speech" label.
The United States is more than just the 3 million illegals in California and all the leftists on the coastlines.
It is also the citizens that have not seen opportunities return to them - as a result of the prior regime that ended 1/20/2017.
Twitter supports and protects racists - by smearing their critics with the "Hate Speech" label.
If you're a diversity candidate, you get the benefit of the doubt - even if you experience the inconvenience of the courts.
If you're a conservative or undesirable, you're considered Fair Game for anything.
Twitter supports and protects racists - by smearing their critics with the "Hate Speech" label.
The last thing we need is these assholes controlling our future or getting confused on their roll as a figurehead. Maybe if they don't feel stupid we will get a respectable office. /s
Here is the LinkedIn profile of the last one to go:
https://www.linkedin.com/in/el...
She is a bloody lawyer.
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Why stop there?
Why not get rid of the CDC, NIST, NOAA, NASA, DARPA, the Pentagon, since warfare is based on the science of killing, and the Treasury, since the economy is based on math?
Funny that their first statement is scientifically incorrect... 100 is NOT "exponentially" more than 50-60.
alzheimer's early stages but but well into illness. Wife reacts just like him to TV and internet not lie when she was well.
Science advisors are political working an agenda that caters to the elite...
state unambiguously that he was directed to reach out to the Muslim world to make them feel good about their contributions to science and engineering.
So what?
NASA has always been about public relations. They are the single most popular government agency in the world. They have had their own television network since the early 80s. You seem to have a bug up your ass that one of the many, many areas of outreach was to the second largest group of people on the planet.
Lest you forget, the X Prize was founded by Anousheh Ansari a female muslim immigrant from Iran. Seems like encouraging more people like her is exactly what NASA ought to be doing.
First: a modest proposal to cure the problem: some interviewing suggestions. If they answer yes to any, NEVER hire them (and pass on their unsuitability to make forward progress)
"Are you now, or have you ever been a member of the Trump Administration"
"Are you now, or have you ever been employed by a company owned by Donald Trump or his relatives"
A second proposal:All federally elected officials are automatically subject to the following:
- maximum taxable rates on their income. Period.
- mandatory tax audits by the IRS
- Apply this to all presidential appointees. Retroactively
Third: Congress and Senate are subject to the maximum taxable rates on their income
Fourth: Congress and Senate are subject to any health care programs they vote in. No special favors for them.
Fifth: Congress and Senate are subject to any/all pension limitations imposed upon private citizens (no automagic pensions)
In politics world, campaign staff and other supporters are offered jobs in government when a winning candidate takes over. When Obama won, he flodded all agencies of government with his political supporters who then used those positions to push his agenda through the permanent burueacracy. Democrats are great at this because they believe in massive government running everything. Republican stink at this because they generally do not think government should even be involved in lots of the stuff it is into.
If you like government involvement in everything and its actions being guided by political activists who were recently college kids or waitresses (and who plan to spend their entire careers as lawyers or government burueacrats) then by all means vote Democrat. If you want less of this, vote Republican or Libertarian.
If you think there is anything wrong with this lady (or her other colleagues on that linkedin page) being in charge of America's science and technology agenda (as opposed to things like market forces, national security demands, etc) then you might want to consider the alternative of SMALLER GOVERNMENT - the sort our founders designed and specified in the Constitution.
"There are no science advisors?!?!? Oh noes...." Seriously, STFU...The warp reactor is critical, the shield are down, there's a romulan spy on-board, and you're worried about whether Spock is on the bridge??! Just stfu.....
There are 2 groups of people you can make fun of on the Internet without fear of attack. The illiterate, and the Amish.
They weren't science advisors, they were the clerisy for the environmentalists.
Twitter supports and protects racists - by smearing their critics with the "Hate Speech" label.
He represents the US, especially those marginalized by leftist policies.
There's more to the US than what the modbombing left will acknowledge.
Twitter supports and protects racists - by smearing their critics with the "Hate Speech" label.
What has been said of Stanford has been proven through the toxicity of the leftist student population.
Twitter supports and protects racists - by smearing their critics with the "Hate Speech" label.
The United States is more than just the 3 million illegals in California and all the leftists on the coastlines.
It is also the citizens that have not seen opportunities return to them - as a result of the prior regime that ended January 20th of this year.
Twitter supports and protects racists - by smearing their critics with the "Hate Speech" label.
He represents the US, especially those marginalized by leftist/globalist policies.
Twitter supports and protects racists - by smearing their critics with the "Hate Speech" label.
more science is happening.
it is refreshing to see nasa get some attention for just one example.