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Microsoft Paint To Be Killed Off After 32 Years (theguardian.com)

Microsoft's next Windows 10 update, called the Fall Creators Update, will bring a variety of new features. But one long-standing stalwart of the Windows experience has been put on the chopping block: Microsoft Paint. From a report: First released with the very first version of Windows 1.0 in 1985, Paint in its various guises would be one of the first graphics editors used by many and became a core part of Windows. Starting life as a 1-bit monochrome licensed version of ZSoft's PC Paintbrush, it wasn't until Windows 98 that Paint could save in JPEG. With the Windows 10 Creators Update, released in April, Microsoft introduced the new Paint 3D, which is installed alongside traditional Paint and features 3D image making tools as well as some basic 2D image editing. But it is not an update to original Paint and doesn't behave like it. Now Microsoft has announced that, alongside Outlook Express, Reader app and Reading list, Microsoft Paint has been signalled for death having been added to the "features that are removed or deprecated in Windows 10 Fall Creators Update" list.

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  1. NO! by Quakeulf · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I still use it in a professional setting!

    YES, I AM DEAD SERIOUS.

    1. Re:NO! by therealspacebug · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I also use it in work like once a week or so.
      Mostly to add arrows, circles or underlineing stuff etc to screenshots when making dokumentation.

    2. Re:NO! by Scarred+Intellect · · Score: 5, Informative
    3. Re:NO! by Geoffrey.landis · · Score: 2

      Wow.

      Microsoft Paint was basically a workalike copy of the MacPaint, which was one of the free tools supplied with the original Apple Macintosh. MacPaint was dropped ages ago, though (the last version was 1988!)-- it was groundbreaking for its time, but basically primitive by any modern standards.

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    4. Re:NO! by Quakeulf · · Score: 2

      I use it to make simple mock-ups of ideas to better explain what I am thinking. It's worked when I use it to show to the people I work with in the Netherlands for the robotics stuff or when my co-worker needs a bit more detail. I use it more often than I would have expected recently.

    5. Re:NO! by AmiMoJo · · Score: 5, Interesting

      I don't like the way you can "buy" a product, and then the manufacturer remotely disables some of the functionality you paid for.

      Not upgrading is not a viable option, because you need security patches.

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    6. Re:NO! by Quakeulf · · Score: 2

      I prefer GIMP if I am to do more with an image than just show off something quickly.

    7. Re:NO! by omnichad · · Score: 5, Interesting

      I still use it in a professional setting!

      Same here. It's the quickest way to paste a Printscreen and crop and save to a file. A bloated 3D tool is just a waste.

      Deleting mspaint.exe will not fix Windows bloat. This is just trying to force people to adopt a new tool that does things no one wants. All anyone is going to do is copy mspaint.exe somewhere else and keep using it.

    8. Re:NO! by Verdatum · · Score: 4, Insightful

      It's useful because I know the tool will be on any random machine I find myself sitting at. I know there are lots of good free pixel editing tools online, but that's not the point. When forced to work on machines that have things locked down tight, downloading and installing a new tool is not always an option. It's aggravating to track down tools that allow for a user-level execution; and often policy doesn't even want you doing that without approval. MSPaint is useful for the same reason that vi is useful in the *nix world; you know it's already installed and how it will basically behave.

    9. Re:NO! by jawtheshark · · Score: 5, Informative
      From their EULA:

      IrfanView is provided as freeware, but only for private, non-commercial use (that means at home). Companies and most state organisations need user licenses.

      The OP says he uses it in a professional setting. Be prepared to acquire licenses or at least talk with your legal department.

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    10. Re:NO! by xeoron · · Score: 3, Informative
      Use the spiritual successor Paint.net.

      Paint.NET is free image and photo editing software for PCs that run Windows. It features an intuitive and innovative user interface with support for layers, unlimited undo, special effects, and a wide variety of useful and powerful tools. An active and growing online community provides friendly help, tutorials, and plugins.

    11. Re:NO! by Topwiz · · Score: 2, Informative

      I use the version from XP from here: http://www.mspaintxp.com/.

    12. Re:NO! by decipher_saint · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I have Photoshop, SAI, Clip Studio, Inkscape, Paint.NET installed but nothing beats win+r mspaint ctrl+p crop save

      Of all the things that Windows 10 needs un-fucking they pick on one app that's been "good enough" for more than 20 years

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    13. Re:NO! by rkordmaa · · Score: 2

      Most people do, for much the same reason they use notepad or calc. They are hardly the best tool for their dedicated jobs, but being able to find them on every single windows machine you might have to work with is priceless.

    14. Re:NO! by wed128 · · Score: 2

      A rock.

    15. Re:NO! by sheramil · · Score: 5, Funny

      What do you use when you need a hammer?

      Ideally, it would manage your nail collection - it would search all available work-spaces for nails or nail-like objects - even http://dragonball.wikia.com/wi... - and it would organise your nails according to size, weight, color, composition, shape and which end was pointy and which end wasn't. It would keep track of your nail usage and offer you the nails you use most frequently, even going online to order new nails of that type (or more likely new nails of whatever type is preferred by the hammer's manufacturer), or it might refuse to operate at all unless you had the correct proprietary nails. It would also have social media integration so you could check out what kinds of nails your friends were using as well as be exposed to advertisements for different sorts of nails, screws, bolts, rivets, glue, welding rods and Namekians.

      Oh, and it would also hammer nails, although that's kind of secondary at this point.

    16. Re:NO! by stealth_finger · · Score: 2

      Not upgrading is not a viable option, because you need security patches.

      Not upgrading is not a viable option these days because windows won't let you.

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    17. Re:NO! by stealth_finger · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I don't like the way you can "buy" a product, and then the manufacturer remotely disables some of the functionality you paid for.

      Not upgrading is not a viable option, because you need security patches.

      Then you don`t like Windows 10, Don`t buy it. I know I don`t buy things I don`t like.

      Classic argument that works for basically anything else. They don't sell previous versions anymore and they are ever and ever harder to get hold of. So your choice is windows 10(shit), mac(expensive and shit) or linux(complete non start for anyone who doesn't know exactly what they're doing). If you want a new computer choose the one you hate the least.

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    18. Re:NO! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2

      Glad you mentioned notepad, because removing mspaint is equivalent to removing notepad. Yes, it is very feature limited, but that is what makes it so great! If paint 3D cannot work as a functional replacement, then all MS is doing is pushing users away from their product, not towards other products.

    19. Re:NO! by JohnFen · · Score: 2

      I have worked for a few companies with whom attaching any unapproved flash drive was a firing offense.

    20. Re:NO! by ColdWetDog · · Score: 2

      Welcome to the unstable and always-shifting world of **Software As A Service** where you can't trust that anything in it will still be there or that the workflow you've developed will continue to be applicable when you show up at work the next day.

      Kinda generalized that for you. It's a much bigger problem than Windows 10.

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    21. Re:NO! by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 2, Funny

      =What do you use when you need a hammer?

      A large wrench, side-on, works pretty well.

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    22. Re:NO! by roc97007 · · Score: 2

      After the fifth or sixth update, it would suddenly stop using generic nails and would only use proprietary nails from the hammer's manufacturer.

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    23. Re:NO! by thegarbz · · Score: 3, Informative

      but nothing beats win+r mspaint ctrl+p crop save

      winkey "sni" select area save. It's shorter and faster.

    24. Re:NO! by omnichad · · Score: 3

      I'm sure it'll be a souped up Wordpad-equivalent / Word lite with a ribbon. Plain text support will be there, but you'll have to dig for it and you can't set it as default.

  2. On MSPaint... by Baron_Yam · · Score: 3, Interesting

    It's been too primitive to be very useful for much more than cropping screencaps for some time.

    If it doesn't also soften, scale (without artifact generation), remove noise, adjust contrast, saturation, tint, and brightness, handle at least text as a separate, editable layer, and do blending colour replacement along with handling transparency... meh. It's also handy if it can directly handle multi-frame GIFs and ICO files.

    Still, to this very day I use MSPaint for cropping screencaps because most of the workstations I end up on don't have any graphics software at all.

    1. Re:On MSPaint... by dysmal · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Agreed. Paint was never a GOOD program but it's what's installed by default and it works. I'm not going to install something like Greenshot on a server i'm working on but sometimes you need a no frills tool.

    2. Re:On MSPaint... by omnichad · · Score: 5, Interesting

      I have Photoshop. I still use MS Paint for screenshots. Low bloat and launches instantly.

    3. Re:On MSPaint... by geek · · Score: 2

      I have Photoshop. I still use MS Paint for screenshots. Low bloat and launches instantly.

      Why? Windows comes with "Snipping Tool" specifically for this. Why use a full on MS Paint or Photoshop to do it?

    4. Re:On MSPaint... by painandgreed · · Score: 2

      I have Photoshop. I still use MS Paint for screenshots. Low bloat and launches instantly.

      Why? Windows comes with "Snipping Tool" specifically for this. Why use a full on MS Paint or Photoshop to do it?

      Because 9 times out of 10, the next step would be to open up the screenshot in MS Paint or Photoshop to do the thing that you needed the screenshot for, adding arrows, putting in commentary, circling important features, etc.

  3. Paint.NET is better anyway by imrahilj · · Score: 2

    Not only is Paint.NET better than Microsoft Paint, I think it is better than the entry level paint alternatives on linux and MacOS.

  4. Re:Uh... by Quakeulf · · Score: 5, Informative

    The snipping tool.

  5. Re:Nooooooooo by DontBeAMoran · · Score: 5, Funny

    Wait, Clippy is dead? Why didn't Clippy warn m... oh wait.

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  6. I wonder how much Adobe would pay... by dmgxmichael · · Score: 4, Interesting

    ...to have a watered down version of Photoshop Elements included as a gateway to the more expensive Photoshop proper. Done correctly it would be a win for both companies and consumers.

  7. Good! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Next they can get rid of mail, photos, cortana, skype, the xbox crap, onedive, word, notepad, edge, windows app store, 3DBuilder, Appconnector, BingFinance, BingNews, 3dpaint, BingSports, BingWeather, Getstarted, MicrosoftOfficeHub, Solitaire, OneNote, Alarms, Calculator, Camera, Maps, Phone, Reader, SoundRecorder, ZuneMusic, ZuneVideo, windowscommunicationsapps, CloudExperienceHost, WindowsReadingList, Twitter, Flipboard, Shazam, Candy Crush, iHeart Radio, NAVER, tripadvisor, groovemusic, BioEnrollment, WindowsFeedback and ContactSupport from the default install!!

    All of which are crap or a better open source alternative exists. Choosing windows to run programs shouldnt have to force you into all their bloatware and ads too.

  8. Can I copy the EXE file? by acoustix · · Score: 3, Interesting

    What does mspaint.exe need to run? Are there any DLL files needed? Can I just copy the EXE from my Windows 7 box to Win10?

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    1. Re:Can I copy the EXE file? by TheRealMindChild · · Score: 5, Interesting

      The app itself should work fine. However, there is a part of MSPaint that is long forgotten... it is an embeddable OLE object. If you want to use that bit, there are some registry entries you'd probably have to move over as well

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    2. Re:Can I copy the EXE file? by freeze128 · · Score: 2

      You'll probably have to run it in WINE.

  9. Re:Watch this get retracted by omnichad · · Score: 2

    You'd think with all the evil metrics Win10 collects, they'd have some idea about how heavily used this tool is.

    Paint 3D is a "modern" app. That means they can collect more evil metrics more easily. The only thing they care about is that it's not packaged as an .exe

  10. Re:Uh... by duke_cheetah2003 · · Score: 2

    What am I supposed to use for screenshots on base installs?

    Your phone, of course.

  11. Free - Paint.net by jzarling · · Score: 2

    Paint.NET is free and has a few useful tools rolled in - Its also a bit easier for low clue user to pickup than GIMP in my experiences.

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  12. Re:Going to make Homework harder by beanpoppa · · Score: 2

    They should be adding these features into the Snipping Tool. It shouldn't be a 2-step process to grab a screen image with the snipping tool, and then paint it into MS Paint to add an arrow or circle something. Snipping Tool only has free draw tools. How hard would it be to add the shapes template to snipping tool (or better yet, just add the screen shot capability to MSPaint and call it a day.

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  14. Four seconds too long? by tepples · · Score: 2

    GIMP just takes forever to load.

    Today at work, I tested this claim by starting GIMP on two PCs, one with Xubuntu 16.04 and the other with Windows 10, neither with an SSD. From choosing the app from the start menu to GIMP's main window appearing took four seconds on each. I also tested it a few days ago on a compact laptop with an SSD and an Atom CPU, and it took five seconds. But I concede that these tests weren't fresh after a PC restart, and it didn't have to rescan fonts and plug-ins. Or are you often triggering something that requires rescanning fonts and plug-ins?

  15. GIMP has AA paintbrush and non-AA pencil by tepples · · Score: 2

    GIMP has both the paintbrush tool, which antialiases strokes "with additional pixels on either side in a lighter colour", and the pencil tool, which "does operate on a pixel basis".

  16. Re:Nooooooooo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Clippy is still there. He had a sex change and prefers to be called Cortana now

  17. Re:Forced in what way? by Verdatum · · Score: 2

    That's what would happen. But it might take a month. I don't want to backburner a task while waiting for stuff to be installed just because of the whims of Microsoft.

  18. And nothing of value was lost by sandbagger · · Score: 2

    Seriously, the sheer lack of incremental development on Paint is a bit of a head scratcher. I suspect that the ignoring of Paint was the result of it being orphaned in the Microsoft-Adobe pact of the early 2000s that resembled the Molotov-Ribbentrop agreement. MS killed their graphics products and Adobe killed Persuasion and their other office products.

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  19. This is sad news by JohnFen · · Score: 2

    MS Paint ranks third on my list of "most frequently used MS tools", behind Visual Studio and Notepad. For many use cases, the simple spartan tools are the best tools.

    Ah well, I'm sure there's a third-party equivalent somewhere.

  20. Re:Uh... by omnichad · · Score: 2

    I have Windows.

  21. Re:Forced in what way? by ColdWetDog · · Score: 2

    Some of us have Actual Work to do that doesn't involve tilting at IT windmills.

    Not arguing with IT about installing some random bit of software on the locked down images is a real plus. Especially when all you need it to crop a bitmapped picture and put a red border around it.

    Horses for courses. Hammers for nails. Remember, when things look as bad as they possibly can, they usually get considerably worse (RAH).

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  22. Re:Watch this get retracted by iampiti · · Score: 2

    You got it backwards: Microsoft knows what people likes and dislikes but they will put politics first. They know people like Paint the same way they know people would rather have no ads on a freaking OS (hello start menu full of publicity and stupid ads on a clean install of Windows 10) but they want to turn Windows into Android (with regards to spying, publicity and pushing the creator's services) and that requires removing some things users want