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Adobe Announces that in 2020, Flash Player Will Reach Its 'End-of-Life' in Light of Newer Technologies (webkit.org)
Adobe said on Tuesday it will stop distributing and updating Flash Player at the end of 2020 and is encouraging web developers to migrate any existing Flash content to open standards. Apple is working with Adobe, industry partners, and developers to complete this transition. From a blog post: Apple users have been experiencing the web without Flash for some time. iPhone, iPad, and iPod touch never supported Flash. For the Mac, the transition from Flash began in 2010 when Flash was no longer pre-installed. Today, if users install Flash, it remains off by default. Safari requires explicit approval on each website before running the Flash plugin.
In a blog post, the company wrote: "Adobe has long played a leadership role in advancing interactivity and creative content -- from video, to games and more -- on the web. Where we've seen a need to push content and interactivity forward, we've innovated to meet those needs. Where a format didn't exist, we invented one -- such as with Flash and Shockwave. And over time, as the web evolved, these new formats were adopted by the community, in some cases formed the basis for open standards, and became an essential part of the web. But as open standards like HTML5, WebGL and WebAssembly have matured over the past several years, most now provide many of the capabilities and functionalities that plugins pioneered and have become a viable alternative for content on the web. Over time, we've seen helper apps evolve to become plugins, and more recently, have seen many of these plugin capabilities get incorporated into open web standards. Today, most browser vendors are integrating capabilities once provided by plugins directly into browsers and deprecating plugins. Given this progress, and in collaboration with several of our technology partners -- including Apple, Facebook, Google, Microsoft and Mozilla -- Adobe is planning to end-of-life Flash. Specifically, we will stop updating and distributing the Flash Player at the end of 2020 and encourage content creators to migrate any existing Flash content to these new open formats."
In a blog post, the company wrote: "Adobe has long played a leadership role in advancing interactivity and creative content -- from video, to games and more -- on the web. Where we've seen a need to push content and interactivity forward, we've innovated to meet those needs. Where a format didn't exist, we invented one -- such as with Flash and Shockwave. And over time, as the web evolved, these new formats were adopted by the community, in some cases formed the basis for open standards, and became an essential part of the web. But as open standards like HTML5, WebGL and WebAssembly have matured over the past several years, most now provide many of the capabilities and functionalities that plugins pioneered and have become a viable alternative for content on the web. Over time, we've seen helper apps evolve to become plugins, and more recently, have seen many of these plugin capabilities get incorporated into open web standards. Today, most browser vendors are integrating capabilities once provided by plugins directly into browsers and deprecating plugins. Given this progress, and in collaboration with several of our technology partners -- including Apple, Facebook, Google, Microsoft and Mozilla -- Adobe is planning to end-of-life Flash. Specifically, we will stop updating and distributing the Flash Player at the end of 2020 and encourage content creators to migrate any existing Flash content to these new open formats."
Hallelujah!
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You fill in the rest.
You nerds will still be getting swirlies and sucking my BALLS
Maybe by 2040 or so Major League Baseball Advanced Media will finally ditch Flash Player for HTML5 to show baseball games. Believe it or not an outfit that is positively drowning in cash just can't be bothered to update their web players. Seriously!
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Didn't Adobe rename Flash to something else to avoid carrying the Flash baggage?
Why would they even do this? Has the security situation gotten to the point where their hand is being forced or do they simply want to abandon their technical debt in the same manner that any industrial operation wishes to abandon their industrial waste, into the commons?
Now, if the many sites that still assume it's present and default to it over HTML5 could finally start working properly when Flash isn't available, the Internet will be a much better place. I'm looking at you [crappy TV news channel websites of your choice goes here].
https://youtu.be/L0nuQ5o2DYU
Their production tool already supports HTML5/JS. Hardware acceleration and security are both a huge cross-platform headache that browser vendors have already taken on. And they still haven't been allowed on the iPhone with Flash.
They're only dragging their feet because of complaints of content producers.
Most of what we need the internet for is being replaced and overshadowed by graphic-heavy bells & whistles. We could use the internet safely if we applied a more minimalist approach to design and if we standardized video or dynamic UI for the internet better than we are now.
Ethics watchdogs need to step up and start really trying hard to break the current push for more javascript.
The web browser should display a page that can be interacted with effectively and efficiently, without all the added bells & whistles, because those bells & whistles are often introduced to create security vectors for black hatters.
Most people using the internet have limited safety understanding. Flash is one of those platforms that can seriously harm a computer if the Flash object is designed as malware. Couple this with the loose security in users still using IE that often utilizes ActiveX and the results are predictably negative.
MSFT can try as much as they want but I'll never trust them very much and everything they release has to be combed through by teams of 3rd party security experts in order to protect their clients.
Again, using Firefox & Noscript, coupled with a given user's paranoia, will prevent most malware type issues.
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When Steve Jobs died, the vultures at Apple secretly gave Adobe billions to kill off their profitable business, because it competed too much with Apple.
Why else would one just kill their profitable business off? Bribes from the richest company in recorded history.
The day they end support for Flash there will be millions of vulnerable PC's with Flash installed that will never be patched. We're still going to be dealing with Flash problems for years to come, there just won't be any more security patches. It'll be open season with all the 0-days.
No seriously tho. Everyone I know has actively avoided flash for years. If a site says I need flash to do/view anything, I know that the site has no value and to look elsewhere.
This can't happen soon enough. Might see about getting placed in a medically induced coma until then.
There is no XUL, only WebExtensions...
This is a Pyrrhic victory at best. The alternatives often aren't any better, and in many ways are worse.
At least with Flash we had the ability to just not install the plugin, or to remove it or disable it if it were installed, and then we wouldn't be forced to endure it.
But that's not always the case with these built-in technologies. It's even worse with some of the JavaScript-based ones. It can become much harder, if not impossible, to separate "good" JavaScript from "unwanted" JavaScript for any given page. At least when Flash was used we could just block that part of a web page, without necessarily breaking the entire site. Having to dick around with an extension like NoScript to partially block scripts often doesn't work, especially when a site combines useful and unwanted JavaScript code into a single script.
WebAssembly is particularly insidious. While minified or obfuscated JavaScript can be difficult enough to decipher, WASM's binary encoding makes it even harder to figure out what remotely-served code executing in the browser will actually try to do. It's like Java applets all over again.
It's much the same for the embedded audio and video capabilities of modern browsers. They can be useful when they're wanted, but this also leaves them open to abuse (such as when used for advertising purposes).
We've gone from getting screwed in one way to getting screwed in a slightly different way, and neither of these screwings feels good.
I was a Flash aficionado back in the early 2000s. Back then it was a good way to get something moving on your page or to provide a bit of interactivity. HTML 5 was some way off, iFrames were clunky, and JavaScript libraries like jQuery weren't very mature yet. Plus the player had a small footprint and was pretty widely installed on the browsers of the time. For a time it was a great way to deliver video.
As a technology it was a decent stopgap measure IMHO but it was on borrowed time as open standards caught up. Not many slashdotters had anything positive to say about it because it was a closed standard, but I have fond memories of seeing what the future of the web looked like, even if it was implemented in a doomed technology.
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Flash should be discontinued next year. OK, this year. :)
I've subscribed to the NHL's streaming service over the past few years and they use the MLB's streaming service, MLB Advanced Media. Sadly it still requires flash on PC, which most browsers don't want you to use anymore. "Oh you want to watch in this browser, you must install flash for it. You installed it for that other browser last time, silly."
It is long past due to kill it with fire, nuke it from orbit, double tap it, etc.
2020 is a long time from now...
Once I can find a suitable website that has a free flash-based countdown tool.
NOT Soon Enough!!
Kill it now kill it with fire!
Update your damn websites.
Both of you have iOS and Android apps which don't use Flash... so you apparently have (or know where to find) at least one or two people whose skill sets are less than a decade out of date.
It's not a particularly hard problem... so what's the holdup?
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On Jan 1, 2021, they should send out an update that completely uninstalls and removes Flash, period.
Nothing short of that matters, millions of computers will remain infected, millions of websites will continue to be exploited.
Incompatible everything, horrible bug-ridden crap, having to "upgrade" every other day, finding you can't because your "platform" is no longer supported (adobe stopped supporting linux, now it's "32bit" that's getting booted), unless of course your "platform" was never supported at all (flash on *BSD? sparc, mips, powerpc?), you can't even download the updates you need. Or in the bigger picture, a "web" beholden to some large players (formerly adobe, now the browser makers united in the WHATWG, with the W3C their puppet), DRM, inability to support anything for more than a few years, no historic staying power whatsoever... yeah. Such a bright future.
Verily, adobe showed us the way. Dancing rodents for world domination!
I use Zombo.com all the time to test if flash player is installed. It briefly went ASCII during the net neutrality protests, looks like it will have to go pernament soon. Plus 2020 is far too long, it should of died before 2010.
Hopefully, Trump will follow Flash on the way out. These dinosaurs need to go!
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So what is the fate of old games on websites like Armor Games, Kongregate, Nitrome?
What if I want to play those games in the future (assuming those websites are still around.)
It's not like they're going to be ported to HTML5; that would be a lot of work.
The current installer for Flash is just a stub. Does Adobe have a full, offline installer?
Because nobody uses Flash anymore. There is no designer in the world that can get work these days just on Flash. Flash has been dead, only there for legacy. There is also a huge amount of work to keep it maintained, the code goes back to the 90s at least and wasn't well written to begin with.
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Adobe no longer updating Flash doesn't mean a lot. If a business hasn't switch thus far, they may not do so when Flash stops getting updates. Instead, we'll be left to using a no longer supported Flash with vulnerabilities (as always pop up with Flash) to access sites that don't invest in moving their sites to HTML5 or other modern options.
I hope VMWare gets it act together and comes up with some better technology for vCenter soon enough.
I couldn't ever figure out why change the lean, relatively fast and responsive vSphere client to the flash-based mess. At least you can still do most things via vSphere but some need the web interface (e.g. vMotion where you move both the VM and the data in case the VM is stored on local drives).
At least Cisco has gotten rid of it for their IMC modules (for some servers, not all).
The browsers will just disable the plug-in by default. Problem solved.
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I'm gonna miss the casual browser games with the sweet stylized graphics you only find in Flash games. What is the replacement easy to use programming and creation environment for artists?
Open source the code for flash player, and port it to Javascript. Performance would suck, but the old flash would still play.
And finally that would kill it off.
Nobody uses Flash anymore, except for all those game engines using Autodesk Scaleform.
If one company announces another company's product should die, that means it should die?
Oh I see, apple fanboys modded this up because their favorite anti competitive slave labor hiring company plays godmode with what products live and die.
I assure you that if you had the original .fla, the game would compile to HTML5/JS just fine in Adobe Animate.
What steps would the parent of the child who wants to play the game go about tracking down the author of the file in order to initiate conversion? And whose responsibility would it be to fund a month of access to Creative Cloud for each author whose works are affected?
Or a reasonable facsimile could be recreated.
Provided the author doesn't sue anyone whose "reasonable facsimile" becomes popular.
Dynamic UI = JavaScript. Anything else is static.
The last time we discussed the pros and cons of JavaScript and WebAssembly, the consensus in the comments appeared to be that people want web pages ought to be static apart from form submission and CSS checkbox hack menus. For dynamic UI, make a native application that users can download, install, and use.
Open up the .fla file in Adobe Animate
The difference is that like Macromedia Flash before it, Adobe Flash allows resale of a used copy, whereas Adobe Animate does not because it's offered exclusively through the Creative Cloud rental service. Someone who bought a used copy of Adobe Flash may not feel it worth it to continue to pony up for Creative Cloud every month for the rest of his life.
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I thought Adobe already had an announcement to kill its Flash years ago.
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So long, Flash. Slash.
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Easily the one site with the most flash files.
Maybe now some of the holdouts that I encounter that still use Flash (ABC Australia iView catch-up TV for one) will finally stop using Flash and start using HTML5.
Yeah, Flash now and then made our lives miserable (going from 9 to 10 was particularly painful); yeah, many times we thought Adobe was in cahoots with M$ or Intel; yeah, they're were not particularly responsive to any complaint -- including the ones coming from the big shots, like Jobs.
All that was awful.
But I have to thank them for contributing for a happier family life here. They and the good folks in Japan doing great animations. Thank you very much. Thanks for pdf, BTW, too. Try to mend your ways and having done it, be successful again.
Doumo arigatou gozaimashita.
Really? Try buying a digital IP security camera that does NOT use Flash to encode its output. Good luck. There are millions of flash-based IP security cameras out there now, and they all suddenly become obsolete on 1 Jan 2020? I don't think so.
It has being predicted. It has been expected, but it still has the feeling of nostalgic.
It was the days when we consumed videos, animations and games available online. Heck, if you look hard enough you can even get the swf of the media for a standalone experience. Too bad the flash player is insecure.
It was fun while it lasted.
Adobe never invented Flash, Macromedia did.
Adobe never liked it, so they let it deteriorate and die.
Name one, I've not seen one in years.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3GwjfUFyY6M
Because Apple point blank refused to allow flash on the iPhone.
As a result, Adobe sticking to their guns on flash and content creation for flash caused web developers to look elsewhere.
Adobe decided the way forward was to refresh their content creation tools (where they actually make money) to help developers with non-flash content.
With that in theory done, the flash platform represents a cost, and their whole marketing message is now that you don't need flash, so they are paying for something that, per their own messaging, doesn't advance the value of their authoring tools.
The places using flash still are generally not revenue sources for Adobe right now. They are sites that authored their stuff ages ago and have not bought into new authoring tools. In a way, telling those developers 'your platform is dead, your users are going to evaporate,.... *unless* you buy our snazzy new authoring tools to help refresh your site to modern status!"
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I haven't seen one in years. The cheapest ones I purchased 5 years ago had ActiveX but also could work with "Other browsers" which was just MJPEG. I've got one that's over 7 years old where the JavaScript was so crappy it stopped working altogether in modern browsers but no Flash.
I've actually seen some that use a Flash interface more than a decade ago but very few that encode in the Flash codec (which is a predecessor of WebM BTW)
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Done: Lynx
You are technically correct. Pardon my moving the goalposts, but I had browsers in wide interactive use among English speakers in mind. Wikipedia's article about that browser gives no indication of usage share, and most sources found through Google lynx browser usage share lump it into "Other", which isn't helpful.
Netscape 2.0 also counts
Pardon my moving the goalposts, but I had browsers that still receive security updates in mind. The 2.0 series no longer receives security updates. When Netscape Navigator as a whole ended support, it had become a reskin of Mozilla Firefox, and users were advised to switch to Firefox. But Firefox runs JavaScript without asking and hides the preference not to behind about:config, which in turn is unreachable without a web search.