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Apple-Supplier Foxconn To Announce New Factory in Wisconsin in Much-needed Win For Trump and Scott Walker (washingtonpost.com)

An anonymous reader shares a Washington Post report: Foxconn, one of the world's largest electronics manufacturers, will unveil plans Wednesday evening to build a new factory in southeastern Wisconsin (alternative source), delivering a much-needed win for President Trump and Gov. Scott Walker, according to four officials with knowledge of the announcement. The facility will make flat-screen displays and will be located in Southeast Wisconsin within House Speaker Paul Ryan's congressional district. It is not clear how many jobs would be created. Shortly after Trump was elected, Foxconn's chairman Terry Gou said his company would invest at least $7 billion in the United States and create between 30,000 and 50,000 jobs. If it follows through with that commitment, Foxconn would become a major employer on par with Chrysler. In April, Gou spent more than two hours at the White House.

131 comments

  1. winning by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Troll

    the winning just doesn't stop. go trump.

    1. Re:winning by Holi · · Score: 5, Informative

      You do know that Foxconn made a similar announcement in 2013 during the Obama Administration tregarding a plant in Pennsylvania.
      https://www.cnet.com/news/foxc...

      So yeah I think that could have easily happened since it fucking did.

      If you want to know how this will probably end:

      https://www.washingtonpost.com...

      Now admit you were wrong.

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    2. Re:winning by jellomizer · · Score: 3, Informative

      Winning doesn't always equal progressing.

      Winning a competition doesn't mean you are the best, it just means you know how to play the game better.
      For example I am a two year winning in my works Chili Cook-off. I win by making my Chili very hot. Because I know that the people who judge the chili do so in a small batch and compare it with other chili's. So when tried it is memorable, and full of flavor.
      However... I never make such chili for my lunch or dinner, Because it is way to hot for sustained eating. I won by know how to play the cook-off game. not because I am a superior cook.

      A lot of areas where country X is #1 it is often because there are factors in their reporting that makes them #1.
      For education, many countries near the top on the standardize test scores. Have an education system that dumps students with low test scores to a vocational education path. So in essence dropping the poor performers and raising the score averages.

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    3. Re:winning by rbrander · · Score: 1

      My only complaint about the WaPo link was that it didn't connect; paywall. I couldn't even see the headline, which I suppose would at least have completed your sentence. Couldn't you have put in a few words of summary instead of just the link? Or could we have another link to a newspaper that isn't walled? Thx.

    4. Re:winning by mellon · · Score: 1

      The link works for me in incognito mode. Is it possible that you have some adware installed that you don't know about?

    5. Re:winning by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What are you talking about? Works fine

    6. Re:winning by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      what are you talking about? paywall.

      never post links to WaPo.

      you're all idiots.

    7. Re: winning by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Learn to incognito, luddite.

    8. Re:winning by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      YOU ARE!

    9. Re:winning by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Make America Fags Again!

    10. Re:winning by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You do know that Foxconn made a similar announcement in 2013 during the Obama Administration tregarding a plant in Pennsylvania.

      https://www.cnet.com/news/foxc...

      So yeah I think that could have easily happened since it fucking did.

      If you want to know how this will probably end:

      https://www.washingtonpost.com...

      Now admit you were wrong.

      All well and good until Foxconn realizes they could increase their profits by manufacturing overseas. And...IT'S GONE!

    11. Re: winning by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Foxconn may be choosing this location in order to have access to large quantities of high quality water, Lake Michigan. Display panels require a lot of water in their manufacture, and Wisconsin has plenty of it.

    12. Re:winning by Holi · · Score: 1

      Well I was going to come and apologize for the paywall link, but now, No, fuck you.

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  2. sniff, sniff by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    I'm smelling... TAXBREAKS!

    1. Re:sniff, sniff by halivar · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Of course. Why would you not prefer 5 percent of something over 30 percent of nothing? Michigan needs this, and not even just for the jobs.

    2. Re:sniff, sniff by cayenne8 · · Score: 1

      I'm smelling... TAXBREAKS!

      Well...Duh!!!

      That is one of the most powerful tools any state/community pulls out of the quiver any time they try to entice a large company to their area.

      I'm sure it happened here, but it's not like it is scandalous or different than business as usual for anything of this nature in the past, present or future.

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    3. Re:sniff, sniff by gtall · · Score: 1

      Errr...Scott Walker is gov. of Wisconsin. It isn't clear he knows where Michigan is anyhow.

    4. Re:sniff, sniff by Holi · · Score: 1

      Sure, 1 to 3 billion by some reports in incentives. Let's not forget when Foxconn made a similar announcement regarding Pennsylvania in 2013 that it completely failed to follow through on. Also look at their dealings with Indonesia, India, Vietnam and Brazil. It's a nice PR bump for those involved but I'm not believing shit till ground is broken.

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    5. Re:sniff, sniff by PolygamousRanchKid+ · · Score: 1

      I'm smelling... TAXBREAKS!

      . . . and a round of Green Cards for Terry Gou's family, friends, associates, etc.

      Hey, but it's like a good old Las Vegas Casino . . . if a high roller drops a lot of money there, if he wants to burn down the casino, they will give him a match.

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    6. Re:sniff, sniff by rbrander · · Score: 1

      I'd agree if companies coming in brought only money and no costs. Alas, companies need roads and police and courts and stuff, like any other economic actor. If they don't pay for themselves, it's just asking taxpayers to subsidize the jobs. The new employees DO benefit, but at the expense of their neighbours.

    7. Re:sniff, sniff by halivar · · Score: 1

      Fuck me. I'm so fucking stupid. Thank you. I LIVED there, for god's sakes.

    8. Re:sniff, sniff by halivar · · Score: 1

      The state needs to pay for those roads, police, and courts regardless of whether FoxConn is there, or not. Fire departments, too. The state needs the grow the tax base, not just the tax percentage. There's a delicate balance. (Source: SimCity on a Mac LC II in 1990)

    9. Re:sniff, sniff by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The state needs the grow the tax base, not just the tax percentage. There's a delicate balance. (Source: SimCity on a Mac LC II in 1990)

      I stand by my statement, made back in the mid 90s, that elected officials should have to successfully complete a scenario in SimCity in order to be allowed to take office.

    10. Re:sniff, sniff by micahraleigh · · Score: 1

      Money not going into the hands of beltway people ... who by the way live in the place with the highest number of millionaires in the US.

    11. Re: sniff, sniff by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I would prefer 5% of $0 than 30% of -$10,000,000,000.

      But then, I know the difference between absolute and signed values.

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  4. Workers of the World by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1
    Unless they fly in there own laborers, having to deal with American labor is going to be hilarious to them.

    "You want 8 hour work days AND 15 minute breaks? We're out"

    1. Re:Workers of the World by burtosis · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Unless they fly in there own laborers, having to deal with American labor is going to be hilarious to them.

      "You want 8 hour work days AND 15 minute breaks? We're out"

      I'd fire any robot that demanded such nonsense also. The only way this is going to be cost effective is if the vast majority of jobs aren't coming back and a handful of engineers and robot techs do the work of tens of thousands of assembly workers.

    2. Re:Workers of the World by mrmagos · · Score: 1

      I'm wondering how much of the factory will be automated. That really cuts down on the labor cost.

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    3. Re:Workers of the World by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Republicans will likely grant examption to labor laws for this plant as part of the agreement to get it located here in the US because some jobs are better then no job right?

    4. Re:Workers of the World by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's what is going to happen. This plant is going to be mostly automated. I'd be surprised that IF it's actually built, it has more than 500 workers.

    5. Re:Workers of the World by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hopefully they install those safety nets to keep suicidal workers from hitting the concrete outside the Foxconn dormitories

    6. Re:Workers of the World by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I doubt it. OSHA has no requirements for dormitory suicide nets.

    7. Re:Workers of the World by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      That's not how Foxconn operates. Try 12-16 hour shifts and maybe a break for food. Also, they'll probably wake you up when you're sleeping in the company dorms to do another 12 hour shift.

      Come to Foxconn for the job, stay at Foxconn because of the netting and barb-wire fence.

    8. Re:Workers of the World by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      but theres already plenty of 'some jobs'. problem is you 'murkins think yourselves too important to actually work them. good luck to the lot of you.

  5. How many H-2B visas do they need by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So how many H-2B visas will they need to fill all the minimum wage jobs in that factory? Unlike China they will not be able to draft high school kids to work for nothing as learning credit.

    See the bit about "interns" who have part of their wages go to their schools. So basically the school is farming them out and getting a kick back.
    https://www.fastcompany.com/3014988/a-day-in-the-life-of-an-iphone-factory-worker

    1. Re:How many H-2B visas do they need by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      True. The unpaid interns in the USA are typically college students.

  6. $7 billion factory... by Jason1729 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    And in more hushed news, Apple gets a $14 billion tax break to repatriate $50 billion from their offshore stash.

    And in even later and more hushed news, Trumps companies get the contracts to build the $7 billion factory.

    1. Re:$7 billion factory... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And in more hushed news, Apple gets a $14 billion tax break to repatriate $50 billion from their offshore stash.

      And in even later and more hushed news, Trumps companies get the contracts to build the $7 billion factory.

      And you somehow think that a >billion dollar build anywhere else in the world *wouldn't* have incentives and kickbacks?

      At least that money is getting spent onshore.

    2. Re:$7 billion factory... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And in more hushed news, Apple gets a $14 billion tax break to repatriate $50 billion from their offshore stash.
       

      How does this affect Apple? This is a Chinese company named Foxconn. Got a source for your claim?

      And in even later and more hushed news, Trumps companies get the contracts to build the $7 billion factory.

      Again, have a source for that claim? I have never heard of any project that was manufacturing-related that Trump's companies worked with. Your claim is ridiculous.

    3. Re:$7 billion factory... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > Got a source for your claim?

      He doesn't for either since he knows they are lies.

    4. Re:$7 billion factory... by Jason1729 · · Score: 2

      The point is that for Apple to spend $7 billion building the factory, they will get handed $14 billion from the government. Huge net loss for america and plenty more jobs could have been created with $14 billion.

      And so trump gets his kickback not from a normal construction project but for handing apple $14 billion in tax money that would be better spent elsewhere.

    5. Re:$7 billion factory... by Jason1729 · · Score: 1

      No point arguing with a troll. You know exactly how this is Apple and if you want to play stupid, go play with yourself.

    6. Re:$7 billion factory... by kelanos · · Score: 0

      and why is the news hushed when there's a constant campaign against Trump in the media?

      could it be that all of this anti-Trump fluff was just bargaining pressure as the side that expected to win the election negotiates an accord with Trump's side?

    7. Re:$7 billion factory... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's not about Apple. It's about a company based in Taiwan named Foxonn that employees 1.3 million people. Yes, over a million.

    8. Re:$7 billion factory... by halivar · · Score: 1

      RTFA. This plant is for making TV's, not iPhones. FoxConn is a huge manufacturer. Apple is ONE of their clients. They also supply Nintendo, Sony, and a number of phone companies. They also own Sharp, hence the flat-screen TV plant.

    9. Re:$7 billion factory... by Dog-Cow · · Score: 0

      Never mind that you can't tell the difference between Foxconn and Apple, you also don't seem to have any idea what a tax break is. Why don't you find a dormitory to suicide off.

    10. Re:$7 billion factory... by Dog-Cow · · Score: 1

      I guess you're too stupid to be a troll.

    11. Re:$7 billion factory... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The point is that for Apple to spend $7 billion building the factory, they will get handed $14 billion from the government. Huge net loss for america and plenty more jobs could have been created with $14 billion.

      Or they could not build a factory, and not repatriate 50 billion.

      Net loss my ass.

    12. Re:$7 billion factory... by rtb61 · · Score: 1

      This is much more about the affect of government tightening up digital security laws and supply hardware and software. The EU will follow suit as will all major countries. Either made locally or it will not be bought as it most definately can not be trusted and that does mean the EU does not trust the US (they have been caught breaking the security of their pretend allies, which the US treats a potentially hostile vassal states) and the US does not trust the EU (every bodies fault when they started fucking with all this and they were told). Not country should ever trust their digital infrastructure to another country if they possibly can avoid it, guaranteed one hundred percent do it and that trust will be abused and when it comes to the US that means being abused by major corporations with hooks into intelligence agencies, who is contracting to whom.

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    13. Re:$7 billion factory... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you have paid any little bit of attention to any news source in the last 2 years, you wouldn't dare to claim the media is "hushing" bad news about Trump. They are paying top dollar for anonymous sources that claim to have dirt on him and have on multiple occasions been caught *inventing* bad news about him when they couldn't find any real stuff.

      You surely remember the Russian charade, and remember when the two scoops of ice cream filled an entire afternoon on CNN. You do. You just play coy for the effect.

    14. Re:$7 billion factory... by micahraleigh · · Score: 1

      Focus group studies show most voters appreciate the difference between tax breaks and tax subsidies.

      If I were a political candidate that's what I'd angle for. Not what the slashdot liberals think.

  7. the other shoe... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    wait for it....

  8. Who gets the credit? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Is this the Foxconn plant in Wisconsin that's been on the drawing board since 2010?

    1. Re:Who gets the credit? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Don't know about that one, I d know it's not the Pennsylvania plant from 2013.

    2. Re:Who gets the credit? by aicrules · · Score: 4, Informative

      While foxconn has had numerous plans to build plants, including in the US, Wisconsin has been selected as part of a new effort. That started with Apple directing Foxconn to investigate the possibility of opening plants in the US as a result of Donald Trump's election win and the associated expectations around changes in import costs. Foxconn the responded by doing so, had seven candidate states identified last month, and now has selected Wisconsin. However, it should be noted that they haven't had a great track record with following through. I hope Trump holds their feet to the fire to make sure they do. But given that track record all manner of watchdog (media, government, citizens) should want to hold Foxconn to their promise.

    3. Re:Who gets the credit? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'd bet money Trump had no idea Foxconn existed until today.

    4. Re:Who gets the credit? by tbuddy · · Score: 1

      If you read the article you'd reconsider putting money on it.

    5. Re:Who gets the credit? by jeff4747 · · Score: 2

      I hope Trump holds their feet to the fire to make sure they do.

      One only needs to see what happened at Carrier to see how well Trump does that.

    6. Re:Who gets the credit? by nine-times · · Score: 1

      Wisconsin has been selected as part of a new effort. That started with Apple directing Foxconn to investigate the possibility of opening plants in the US as a result of Donald Trump's election win and the associated expectations around changes in import costs.

      I kind of doubt that. Why would a company make a huge investment in response to expectations of a tax that isn't actually expected to happen? It seems more likely that this is something that they were going to do anyway, and Trump's real accomplishment has been to convince Apple/Foxconn to let him take credit.

    7. Re:Who gets the credit? by UnknowingFool · · Score: 2

      Well considering that Trump hasn't held Ford or Carrier to their promises, I doubt it. It's a soundbite when Trump originally announces new jobs. Following through has not been a strong point for the administration on this issue.

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    8. Re:Who gets the credit? by aicrules · · Score: 2

      Well, that's slightly different. Carrier isn't moving jobs to Mexico, and at the time of the deal it said that some jobs would be replaced with automation. Now, for it to be 600 of the 800 it was planning to move is a pretty big deal. But that does mean that 200 jobs were actually saved. While that means less than 20% of the jobs saved from moving them to Mexico are going to still exist, they got to keep there job for over 6 months extra while knowing that they were likely going to need a new job anyway. It's too bad the people who are lashing out against this didn't pay attention to the fact that the automation of some jobs was coming as an alternative. Oh well, if you only believe in reading headlines you're bound to be disappointed when the details hit you personally.

      With FoxConn either they build the plant or they don't. And yes, Trump will likely move on, but that means local govt, media and citizens need to keep vigilant watch and spam Paul Ryan's office with calls and emails if it seems like Foxconn is not following through.

    9. Re:Who gets the credit? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Fuck Trump, but more importantly: Fuck you.

    10. Re:Who gets the credit? by halivar · · Score: 1

      This is a plant for making TV's, not iPhones.

    11. Re:Who gets the credit? by Zontar_Thing_From_Ve · · Score: 1

      While that means less than 20% of the jobs saved from moving them to Mexico are going to still exist, they got to keep there job for over 6 months extra while knowing that they were likely going to need a new job anyway. It's too bad the people who are lashing out against this didn't pay attention to the fact that the automation of some jobs was coming as an alternative. Oh well, if you only believe in reading headlines you're bound to be disappointed when the details hit you personally. With FoxConn either they build the plant or they don't. And yes, Trump will likely move on, but that means local govt, media and citizens need to keep vigilant watch and spam Paul Ryan's office with calls and emails if it seems like Foxconn is not following through.

      I read an article today where somebody (NY Times I think) talked to people at the Carrier site who just got laid off and a whole lot of them were really surprised by the action, including a lot of Trump backers who got the axe. I can't speak to whether these people were stupid or delusional, but they certainly seemed surprised to me.

      Yeah, I'm sure that a bunch of citizens contacting Paul Ryan's office is totally going to change things when Foxconn ends up doing nothing. Not.

    12. Re:Who gets the credit? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Maybe they're waiting for a more "business friendly" environment, aka taxpayers build them a plant and subsidize salaries with food vouchers. And football stadiums and pink ponies all round.

  9. Much needed? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Bias much?

    1. Re:Much needed? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What Apple needs is its own factory to make iPhone displays instead of purchasing these from Samsung.

    2. Re:Much needed? by Holi · · Score: 1

      Apple does not have any patents for LCD displays. it would probably cost them more to build a plant and license the various patents then sourcing them from the world leader.

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    3. Re:Much needed? by UnknowingFool · · Score: 1

      Besides there isn't any definitive word that this factory would make displays for Apple. Foxconn is an Apple supplier but they manufacture for many companies. The displays could be manufactured for LG or Samsung.

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  10. "within House Speaker Paul Ryan's district" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    nahhhh. nothing fishy going on here.. nothing at all.

    i didn't know the rich part of the state needed jobs that bad, either. how about, ya know, the smaller cities that need the jobs a hell of a lot more? rapids or north on 39, or lacrosse, eau claire, superior..... they all need those jobs. not the rich northern suburbs of chicago.

    1. Re:"within House Speaker Paul Ryan's district" by Joe_Dragon · · Score: 1

      the Brat stop can use a nice lunch rush 24/7/365

  11. Water pollution by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Working with PCBs and ASICs and LCDs and batteries involve handling a lot of toxic materials.
    To process these materials cleanly requires a lot of water.

    Hopefully this factory is built outside the Lake Michigan water basin.

    1. Re:Water pollution by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Working with PCBs and ASICs and LCDs and batteries involve handling a lot of toxic materials. To process these materials cleanly requires a lot of water.

      Hopefully this factory is built outside the Lake Michigan water basin.

      The site they are supposedly pursuing is less than two miles from Lake Michigan.

  12. FINALLY! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Finally! All those cheap manufacturing jobs we shipped off to other countries are coming back to us, now that all of our well-paid knowledge-jobs have gone overseas. We finally did it, guys! We've given our great jobs to the third world and taken on the shit jobs we used to farm out to them!

    We even got the company whose primary claim to fame is how its working conditions are so horrible that it's employees kill themselves in high enough numbers that they have to install safety nets around the buildings, to keep them from dying when they try to commit suicide!

    1. Re:FINALLY! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Yours is a ridiculously naive view of history. What we were too short-sighted to understand is that he who manufactures both gains the experience of manufacturing and gets to decide who he pays to develop. As an engineer, I work hand-in-hand with manufacturing. Without direct feedback, my engineering suffers. The best engineering and R&D is done by makers. For enlightenment, look at which country has the most engineers today, which has the fastest growth in R&D spending, etc.

  13. Re:His he still a liar? by Holi · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I'll believe Foxconn is building a plant when Foxconn builds a plant. Otherwise it would not be the first time Foxconn makes an announcement like this and then when the focus is gone they forget the whole thing.

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  14. non union / min wage / may need to be chiped by Joe_Dragon · · Score: 1

    non union / min wage / may need to be chipped and 39 hours a week on paper (so no benefits and by the time we open healthcare plan as well) But lots of OT needed. (living on site is preferred (nice low cost for that))

    1. Re:non union / min wage / may need to be chiped by Train0987 · · Score: 1

      So no jobs would be better. Got it.

    2. Re:non union / min wage / may need to be chiped by PoopJuggler · · Score: 1

      It depends. Losing $14billion via tax breaks to a Taiwanese company to create minimum wage jobs doesn't help America. That $14billion should be spent on education and training for those workers. Turning America into a 3rd world manufacturing hub makes zero sense because manufacturing will become mostly automated. We should be creating roboticists and technicians and selling our robots to other countries, not working for slave-wages for foreign countries.

    3. Re:non union / min wage / may need to be chiped by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Typical smug shitfuck liberal. You'd rather see people be "educated" than actually employed. THESE ARE JOBS, YOU DUMB FUCK. THIS IS HOW PEOPLE FEED THERE FAMILYS. Your dumb bitch shillary candidate said we should put millions of coal workers out of work so that they coiuld be unimployed solar installers, for fucks sakes.

    4. Re:non union / min wage / may need to be chiped by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      [X] Name calling
      [X] Political pigeon holing
      [X] Hates education
      [X] Poor understanding of economic progress
      [X] Random Hillary Clinton attack
      [_] Screams "Dey turk er jerbs!"

      Holy cow partner! You almost got a perfect score!

    5. Re:non union / min wage / may need to be chiped by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      besides, american workers need to be paid at least US$20/hr or they wont even apply for the jobs.

  15. They will be applying for H2Bs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They will hire mexicans to do the packaging, the rest will be handled by robots.

  16. They only by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    make moves that are profitable. Somehow, someway they are making more money with this move. Profit is sacred.

  17. Foxconn by Nidi62 · · Score: 2

    Thank god. The US was really falling behind with an an ever-growing suicidal worker gap. And now US high school students can also have "unpaid internships" working hours each day in factories to teach them valuable work skills, much like their Chinese contemporaries.

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    1. Re:Foxconn by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I shake my head. I am a former Wisconsin resident. (Grew up there, went to high school and college). I am absolutely appalled at the utter snobbery of members of the tech community. Not everyone is geared towards going to college. FoxConn is offering good paying manufacturing jobs that will help provide stable unemployment. This is going to be an economic boom because it will attract other businesses to the area.

      Whats the alternative? Send everyone off to college where over 50% of the population drops out with staggering student loans. Or give them the opportunity to have real jobs with real wages. Not everyone can sling code and while many of us in the tech community like to think we build the world, the reality is that there is still a lot of hands-on, dirty work that is honorable and can bring in a good salary.

  18. Oh, GREAT! COMMIE SPIES! EVERYWHERE! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    In Wisconsin? Did I even spell that right? Never mind!

  19. And the second by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The Republican admin is gone so will this political payola.

  20. Interesting bargaining position by Dixie_Flatline · · Score: 1

    So Foxconn clearly doesn't NEED to build a plant in Wisconsin. They're doing fine with what they have, and presumably they could've built this plant in China where wages are lower.

    So that really raises the question of how much this must've been worth to them politically to help Trump out. They must be getting a really sweet deal to do this. I love Apple and generally agree with their politics, but let's be totally clear here, they're not doing this out of the goodness of their hearts. And Foxconn is DEFINITELY not doing it for the enrichment of American workers because that's a thing they really feel committed to.

    1. Re:Interesting bargaining position by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      See earlier posts in this thread - Apple is doing this for a 14 billion dollar handout in the form of "tax relief" on repatriating some of their money. They're only spending 7 billion on the factory, so the US has a net loss - to Apple - of 7 billion dollars.

      They're completely evil.

      I don't know why the administration is going along with this.

    2. Re:Interesting bargaining position by Dixie_Flatline · · Score: 1

      The administration is actively seeking this. The actual repercussions and results don't matter as long as it can appear like they're doing something. They've spent the entire last 8 months spinning their wheels doing nothing.

  21. Chinese owned US factory. A new trend? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Will this become a trend?
    Wealthy Chinese already invest heavily in American real estate.
    So will China now begin to own many US factories?

    I wonder how this will affect relations between China and the US if Trump starts a trade war.

    1. Re: Chinese owned US factory. A new trend? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Foxconn is a Taiwanese company. Get ur geography straight.

    2. Re: Chinese owned US factory. A new trend? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There is no country named "Taiwan". Officially it is the "Republic of China".

      Opinions differ as to whether the Republic of China is a part of the People's Republic of China or not.

    3. Re: Chinese owned US factory. A new trend? by Brockmire · · Score: 1

      Every country drop down selection box for shipping and customs disagrees with you.

  22. These are the ones with the anti-suicide nets by gweihir · · Score: 1

    Right? Because they treat their employees so badly, quite a lot find a jump from the roof preferable.

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  23. Factory? by Tailhook · · Score: 1

    Deplorables with incomes? Ew. Deindustrialize.

    /s

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  24. In other news... by chubs · · Score: 1

    In a totally unrelated story, the suicide rate in Wisconsin is at an all time high...

    1. Re:In other news... by WrongMonkey · · Score: 2

      According to your own link, the worst year for suicides at Foxconn was 14 suicides out of 930,000 employees. This is substantially lower than the US suicide rate, which is 12.6 suicides per 100,000 people per year.

  25. Labour conditions and wages? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If they aren't on par with union conditions, or they are on par with Chinese conditions, then *shrug*

  26. China wants to pollute the great lakes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    before nestle can sweep in and steal it from us.

    you're all idiots.

  27. "much-needed" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    huh? So far his presidency has been a constant win streak. All he touches turns to gold. (well, except CNN)

  28. I'm guessing they'll pull a Carrier by rsilvergun · · Score: 1

    move in, take bunch of tax breaks that basically pay for the whole thing then leave in 5 years when the tax breaks run out. To be fair Carrier got the tax breaks and didn't even wait the 5 years.

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  29. Most of the jobs are for the building of the plant by WillAffleckUW · · Score: 1

    Most of the plant will be run in the dark by robots.

    Have fun believing in the jobs, because they're like pipeline jobs, 99 percent disappear once it's built.

    Oh, wait, did I burst your bubble?

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  30. I doubt apple will want anything to do by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    with Wisconsin after this. http://www.zdnet.com/article/judge-orders-apple-to-pay-506m-to-university-for-patent-infringement/
    Its a well know fact how apple holds a grudge when they get caught breaking the law. They will probably black-list the entire state.

  31. Re:To all anti-Trump SOROS losers (lol)... apk by desdinova+216 · · Score: 1

    so it's ok When the Koch brothers do the same thing?

  32. Re:His he still a liar? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So yesterday user 'Arkham' posted 'Trump is a fucking liar...

    Jesus I wish people would stop saying that shit and get it right. Trump is NOT A LIAR. Trump is a BULLSHIT ARTIST. There's a difference:

    Both the liar and the bullshitter try to get away with something. But ‘lying’ is perceived to be a conscious act of deception, whereas ‘bullshitting’ is unconnected to a concern for truth. Frankfurt regards this ‘indifference to how things really are’, as the essence of bullshit. Furthermore, a lie is necessarily false, but bullshit is not – bullshit may happen to be correct or incorrect. The crux of the matter is that bullshitters hide their lack of commitment to truth. Since bullshitters ignore truth instead of acknowledging and subverting it, bullshit is a greater enemy of truth than lies.

    So stop calling Trump a liar and wake up to what he's really all about: BULLSHIT

  33. Re:To all anti-Trump SOROS losers (lol)... apk by GameboyRMH · · Score: 1

    Don't compare the Koch brothers to George Soros. Soros doesn't spend anywhere near as much as those two.

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  34. Nice building planned by nospam007 · · Score: 1

    It's a one-story building, because Foxconn employees have the annoying habit to jump from the roof.

  35. Not just politics by virtig01 · · Score: 1

    So Foxconn clearly doesn't NEED to build a plant in Wisconsin. They're doing fine with what they have, and presumably they could've built this plant in China where wages are lower.

    You could say the same about foreign automakers.... yet Toyota, Hyundai, Subaru, etc. all have plants in the US.

    Politics is always a consideration. But as with most business decisions, there are multiple benefits to consider. As automation improves, labor cost becomes less important. And as screens get larger, they become harder to ship. The panel and coverglass are the largest components. So I would expect Foxconn to import electronics from Asia and assemble panels in the US, using coverglass produced stateside by Corning, which is the leading supplier. And finally plastics: polyolefins from MTO in China is 5x the supply cost of polyolefins from ethane in the US. With half dozen world-scale plants coming online in the US in the next few years, plastics supply cost will be relatively cheap in the US.

    So yeah, political reasons might have kicked it over the edge, but there are other considerations at play before a company invests billions of dollars.

  36. Re:To all anti-Trump SOROS losers (lol)... apk by KennyP · · Score: 1

    Are you retarded, or have you knobbed too many dirty donkeys off on Massa Soros' ranch?

    Good Christ - you're stupid!

  37. With good internet connections... by Blinkin1200 · · Score: 1

    With good internet connections they will be able to run and manage the robots remotely.

    Thanks Trump!

  38. To all anti-Trump SOROS losers (lol)... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    See subject: You LOSE again, as always, SOROS losers, hahahaha! Now go ask George Soros the delusional old evil toad for more money he's paying you whether you be BLM, Antifa, Open Society Foundation etc. traitors trying to divide & conquer the USA for your PAY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3E8kW37Kr4Y/

    * SOROS, who says he's a GOD, lol, delusional psychotic break Christ wannabe complex & wants to break the USA + any constitutional republic that is't bowing to the UN (or EU Rothschild IMF funded loons like him)

    LASTLY Yes, you truly ARE "SOROS" losers trying to bogus "downmod hide" truth you can't STAND 2x now, lmao https://apple.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=10913999&cid=54884445/ & https://apple.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=10913999&cid=54884937/

    APK

    P.S.=> Trump's got another GOOD "notch on his belt" along w/ these from a VERY respected reputable source https://stonecoldtruth.com/despite-continuous-attacks-trump-getting-the-job-done/ - & what do SOROS LOSERS have on their faces? Egg, lol... I love it! apk

  39. More like 3000 Jobs in Wisconsin, if it happans by MacTechnic · · Score: 2

    The quote from Terry Gou about the possible number of jobs is misleading. There will not be 30,000 - 50,000 jobs involved for the plant in SE Wisconsin, more like 3000, if that many. Let's not conflate the possible economic benefits. I cite the report on PBS Newshour tonight to back my claims.

  40. So when do the guards start shooting strikers? by AutodidactLabrat · · Score: 1

    After all, that and the guard towers are what Foxconn is famous for, other than dirt cheap labor sleeping in rows in barracks with bunk beds.

  41. Re:To all anti-Trump SOROS losers (lol)... apk by AutodidactLabrat · · Score: 1

    This would be the Trump who had to drag McSame out of his death-bed just to get a vote to make a discussion to have a vote to take away healhcare?
    Not much winnage in your windbag

  42. create between 30,000 and 50,000 jobs - robot jobs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Where will the labor come from? On par with Chrysler? No way are Wiscononites going to work for $3 per day with almost Nazi-like oversight.

  43. These jobs belong in the 3rd world not the USA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ... or is Wisconsin, well never mind. Regardless, these jobs don't belong where black or white Americans can reap the benefits of hard work in a union shop, they belong somewhere where Americans pay and get nothing in return but a new phone they buy again in 18 months!!! #FAUXOUTRAGE!!!!!!!!

  44. LOL - ok, here goes (time to crush that bs)... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You mean Obama's robbing Fannie and Freddie illegally to fund his failed Obamacare?

    APK

    P.S.=> "In every revolution, there's 1 man w/ a vision" - Spock "Who told you that?" - Evil Kirk "YOU did..." - Spock @ termination of "FAIREST OF THEM ALL" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dJf2ovQtI6w/ ... apk

  45. This is Obama's baby!! Trump you didn't build by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    that. Ugh. Even joking about America's last worst mistake, hurts.

  46. Taiwan vs China by spinitch · · Score: 1

    Since FoxConn does not share their business strategy to show projected ROI on this Potential investment the sky is the limit on guessing rationales. Lower Costs = unlikely Strategic location = not to far from O'hare airport a mid-west hub, along with train freight and trucking highways so ok relative to East Coast but not a major advantage. A hedge against supply disruptions if political tensions arise seems possible though other countries could offer similar benefits cheaper except for the military might and USD. Terry Gou shrewdly prolonged negotiations with Sharp for concessions on contingencies and deteriorating situation at the Company. Think FoxConn will require some of the soft promises to be firmed up in writing befor proceeding full speed and until then move slowly ahead with awareness to Walker, Ryan and gang can walk away if favorable environment fades. Still a positive development for WI & US to be in the consideration phase but the tough work lies ahead getting factory built and producing. Motorola built a few nice plants in Northern Illinois including Galvin's hometown of Harvard the latter never fully ramped up and barely used before being shuttered. So things can change. A modest applause warranted now but save the yippees and yahoo bragging until there is some solid substance and economic benefits created.

  47. Jobs for robots? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    $3B in subsidies for "up to" 13,000 jobs, but likely fewer.

    If anyone wants to fact check, I have not done so, but the first couple minutes from the below:
    https://youtu.be/-arbVKmLVl0

  48. Make some effort. At least one effort. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Make some effort. At least one effort.