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Apple-Supplier Foxconn To Announce New Factory in Wisconsin in Much-needed Win For Trump and Scott Walker (washingtonpost.com)

An anonymous reader shares a Washington Post report: Foxconn, one of the world's largest electronics manufacturers, will unveil plans Wednesday evening to build a new factory in southeastern Wisconsin (alternative source), delivering a much-needed win for President Trump and Gov. Scott Walker, according to four officials with knowledge of the announcement. The facility will make flat-screen displays and will be located in Southeast Wisconsin within House Speaker Paul Ryan's congressional district. It is not clear how many jobs would be created. Shortly after Trump was elected, Foxconn's chairman Terry Gou said his company would invest at least $7 billion in the United States and create between 30,000 and 50,000 jobs. If it follows through with that commitment, Foxconn would become a major employer on par with Chrysler. In April, Gou spent more than two hours at the White House.

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  1. sniff, sniff by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    I'm smelling... TAXBREAKS!

    1. Re:sniff, sniff by halivar · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Of course. Why would you not prefer 5 percent of something over 30 percent of nothing? Michigan needs this, and not even just for the jobs.

    2. Re:sniff, sniff by cayenne8 · · Score: 1

      I'm smelling... TAXBREAKS!

      Well...Duh!!!

      That is one of the most powerful tools any state/community pulls out of the quiver any time they try to entice a large company to their area.

      I'm sure it happened here, but it's not like it is scandalous or different than business as usual for anything of this nature in the past, present or future.

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    3. Re:sniff, sniff by gtall · · Score: 1

      Errr...Scott Walker is gov. of Wisconsin. It isn't clear he knows where Michigan is anyhow.

    4. Re:sniff, sniff by Holi · · Score: 1

      Sure, 1 to 3 billion by some reports in incentives. Let's not forget when Foxconn made a similar announcement regarding Pennsylvania in 2013 that it completely failed to follow through on. Also look at their dealings with Indonesia, India, Vietnam and Brazil. It's a nice PR bump for those involved but I'm not believing shit till ground is broken.

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    5. Re:sniff, sniff by PolygamousRanchKid+ · · Score: 1

      I'm smelling... TAXBREAKS!

      . . . and a round of Green Cards for Terry Gou's family, friends, associates, etc.

      Hey, but it's like a good old Las Vegas Casino . . . if a high roller drops a lot of money there, if he wants to burn down the casino, they will give him a match.

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    6. Re:sniff, sniff by rbrander · · Score: 1

      I'd agree if companies coming in brought only money and no costs. Alas, companies need roads and police and courts and stuff, like any other economic actor. If they don't pay for themselves, it's just asking taxpayers to subsidize the jobs. The new employees DO benefit, but at the expense of their neighbours.

    7. Re:sniff, sniff by halivar · · Score: 1

      Fuck me. I'm so fucking stupid. Thank you. I LIVED there, for god's sakes.

    8. Re:sniff, sniff by halivar · · Score: 1

      The state needs to pay for those roads, police, and courts regardless of whether FoxConn is there, or not. Fire departments, too. The state needs the grow the tax base, not just the tax percentage. There's a delicate balance. (Source: SimCity on a Mac LC II in 1990)

    9. Re:sniff, sniff by micahraleigh · · Score: 1

      Money not going into the hands of beltway people ... who by the way live in the place with the highest number of millionaires in the US.

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  3. Workers of the World by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1
    Unless they fly in there own laborers, having to deal with American labor is going to be hilarious to them.

    "You want 8 hour work days AND 15 minute breaks? We're out"

    1. Re:Workers of the World by burtosis · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Unless they fly in there own laborers, having to deal with American labor is going to be hilarious to them.

      "You want 8 hour work days AND 15 minute breaks? We're out"

      I'd fire any robot that demanded such nonsense also. The only way this is going to be cost effective is if the vast majority of jobs aren't coming back and a handful of engineers and robot techs do the work of tens of thousands of assembly workers.

    2. Re:Workers of the World by mrmagos · · Score: 1

      I'm wondering how much of the factory will be automated. That really cuts down on the labor cost.

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    3. Re:Workers of the World by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      That's not how Foxconn operates. Try 12-16 hour shifts and maybe a break for food. Also, they'll probably wake you up when you're sleeping in the company dorms to do another 12 hour shift.

      Come to Foxconn for the job, stay at Foxconn because of the netting and barb-wire fence.

  4. $7 billion factory... by Jason1729 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    And in more hushed news, Apple gets a $14 billion tax break to repatriate $50 billion from their offshore stash.

    And in even later and more hushed news, Trumps companies get the contracts to build the $7 billion factory.

    1. Re:$7 billion factory... by Jason1729 · · Score: 2

      The point is that for Apple to spend $7 billion building the factory, they will get handed $14 billion from the government. Huge net loss for america and plenty more jobs could have been created with $14 billion.

      And so trump gets his kickback not from a normal construction project but for handing apple $14 billion in tax money that would be better spent elsewhere.

    2. Re:$7 billion factory... by Jason1729 · · Score: 1

      No point arguing with a troll. You know exactly how this is Apple and if you want to play stupid, go play with yourself.

    3. Re:$7 billion factory... by halivar · · Score: 1

      RTFA. This plant is for making TV's, not iPhones. FoxConn is a huge manufacturer. Apple is ONE of their clients. They also supply Nintendo, Sony, and a number of phone companies. They also own Sharp, hence the flat-screen TV plant.

    4. Re:$7 billion factory... by Dog-Cow · · Score: 1

      I guess you're too stupid to be a troll.

    5. Re:$7 billion factory... by rtb61 · · Score: 1

      This is much more about the affect of government tightening up digital security laws and supply hardware and software. The EU will follow suit as will all major countries. Either made locally or it will not be bought as it most definately can not be trusted and that does mean the EU does not trust the US (they have been caught breaking the security of their pretend allies, which the US treats a potentially hostile vassal states) and the US does not trust the EU (every bodies fault when they started fucking with all this and they were told). Not country should ever trust their digital infrastructure to another country if they possibly can avoid it, guaranteed one hundred percent do it and that trust will be abused and when it comes to the US that means being abused by major corporations with hooks into intelligence agencies, who is contracting to whom.

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    6. Re:$7 billion factory... by micahraleigh · · Score: 1

      Focus group studies show most voters appreciate the difference between tax breaks and tax subsidies.

      If I were a political candidate that's what I'd angle for. Not what the slashdot liberals think.

  5. Who gets the credit? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Is this the Foxconn plant in Wisconsin that's been on the drawing board since 2010?

    1. Re:Who gets the credit? by aicrules · · Score: 4, Informative

      While foxconn has had numerous plans to build plants, including in the US, Wisconsin has been selected as part of a new effort. That started with Apple directing Foxconn to investigate the possibility of opening plants in the US as a result of Donald Trump's election win and the associated expectations around changes in import costs. Foxconn the responded by doing so, had seven candidate states identified last month, and now has selected Wisconsin. However, it should be noted that they haven't had a great track record with following through. I hope Trump holds their feet to the fire to make sure they do. But given that track record all manner of watchdog (media, government, citizens) should want to hold Foxconn to their promise.

    2. Re:Who gets the credit? by tbuddy · · Score: 1

      If you read the article you'd reconsider putting money on it.

    3. Re:Who gets the credit? by jeff4747 · · Score: 2

      I hope Trump holds their feet to the fire to make sure they do.

      One only needs to see what happened at Carrier to see how well Trump does that.

    4. Re:Who gets the credit? by nine-times · · Score: 1

      Wisconsin has been selected as part of a new effort. That started with Apple directing Foxconn to investigate the possibility of opening plants in the US as a result of Donald Trump's election win and the associated expectations around changes in import costs.

      I kind of doubt that. Why would a company make a huge investment in response to expectations of a tax that isn't actually expected to happen? It seems more likely that this is something that they were going to do anyway, and Trump's real accomplishment has been to convince Apple/Foxconn to let him take credit.

    5. Re:Who gets the credit? by UnknowingFool · · Score: 2

      Well considering that Trump hasn't held Ford or Carrier to their promises, I doubt it. It's a soundbite when Trump originally announces new jobs. Following through has not been a strong point for the administration on this issue.

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    6. Re:Who gets the credit? by aicrules · · Score: 2

      Well, that's slightly different. Carrier isn't moving jobs to Mexico, and at the time of the deal it said that some jobs would be replaced with automation. Now, for it to be 600 of the 800 it was planning to move is a pretty big deal. But that does mean that 200 jobs were actually saved. While that means less than 20% of the jobs saved from moving them to Mexico are going to still exist, they got to keep there job for over 6 months extra while knowing that they were likely going to need a new job anyway. It's too bad the people who are lashing out against this didn't pay attention to the fact that the automation of some jobs was coming as an alternative. Oh well, if you only believe in reading headlines you're bound to be disappointed when the details hit you personally.

      With FoxConn either they build the plant or they don't. And yes, Trump will likely move on, but that means local govt, media and citizens need to keep vigilant watch and spam Paul Ryan's office with calls and emails if it seems like Foxconn is not following through.

    7. Re:Who gets the credit? by halivar · · Score: 1

      This is a plant for making TV's, not iPhones.

    8. Re:Who gets the credit? by Zontar_Thing_From_Ve · · Score: 1

      While that means less than 20% of the jobs saved from moving them to Mexico are going to still exist, they got to keep there job for over 6 months extra while knowing that they were likely going to need a new job anyway. It's too bad the people who are lashing out against this didn't pay attention to the fact that the automation of some jobs was coming as an alternative. Oh well, if you only believe in reading headlines you're bound to be disappointed when the details hit you personally. With FoxConn either they build the plant or they don't. And yes, Trump will likely move on, but that means local govt, media and citizens need to keep vigilant watch and spam Paul Ryan's office with calls and emails if it seems like Foxconn is not following through.

      I read an article today where somebody (NY Times I think) talked to people at the Carrier site who just got laid off and a whole lot of them were really surprised by the action, including a lot of Trump backers who got the axe. I can't speak to whether these people were stupid or delusional, but they certainly seemed surprised to me.

      Yeah, I'm sure that a bunch of citizens contacting Paul Ryan's office is totally going to change things when Foxconn ends up doing nothing. Not.

  6. Re:His he still a liar? by Holi · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I'll believe Foxconn is building a plant when Foxconn builds a plant. Otherwise it would not be the first time Foxconn makes an announcement like this and then when the focus is gone they forget the whole thing.

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  7. Re:winning by Holi · · Score: 5, Informative

    You do know that Foxconn made a similar announcement in 2013 during the Obama Administration tregarding a plant in Pennsylvania.
    https://www.cnet.com/news/foxc...

    So yeah I think that could have easily happened since it fucking did.

    If you want to know how this will probably end:

    https://www.washingtonpost.com...

    Now admit you were wrong.

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  8. non union / min wage / may need to be chiped by Joe_Dragon · · Score: 1

    non union / min wage / may need to be chipped and 39 hours a week on paper (so no benefits and by the time we open healthcare plan as well) But lots of OT needed. (living on site is preferred (nice low cost for that))

    1. Re:non union / min wage / may need to be chiped by Train0987 · · Score: 1

      So no jobs would be better. Got it.

    2. Re:non union / min wage / may need to be chiped by PoopJuggler · · Score: 1

      It depends. Losing $14billion via tax breaks to a Taiwanese company to create minimum wage jobs doesn't help America. That $14billion should be spent on education and training for those workers. Turning America into a 3rd world manufacturing hub makes zero sense because manufacturing will become mostly automated. We should be creating roboticists and technicians and selling our robots to other countries, not working for slave-wages for foreign countries.

  9. Re:"within House Speaker Paul Ryan's district" by Joe_Dragon · · Score: 1

    the Brat stop can use a nice lunch rush 24/7/365

  10. Re:Much needed? by Holi · · Score: 1

    Apple does not have any patents for LCD displays. it would probably cost them more to build a plant and license the various patents then sourcing them from the world leader.

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  11. Re:winning by jellomizer · · Score: 3, Informative

    Winning doesn't always equal progressing.

    Winning a competition doesn't mean you are the best, it just means you know how to play the game better.
    For example I am a two year winning in my works Chili Cook-off. I win by making my Chili very hot. Because I know that the people who judge the chili do so in a small batch and compare it with other chili's. So when tried it is memorable, and full of flavor.
    However... I never make such chili for my lunch or dinner, Because it is way to hot for sustained eating. I won by know how to play the cook-off game. not because I am a superior cook.

    A lot of areas where country X is #1 it is often because there are factors in their reporting that makes them #1.
    For education, many countries near the top on the standardize test scores. Have an education system that dumps students with low test scores to a vocational education path. So in essence dropping the poor performers and raising the score averages.

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  12. Foxconn by Nidi62 · · Score: 2

    Thank god. The US was really falling behind with an an ever-growing suicidal worker gap. And now US high school students can also have "unpaid internships" working hours each day in factories to teach them valuable work skills, much like their Chinese contemporaries.

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  13. Re:winning by rbrander · · Score: 1

    My only complaint about the WaPo link was that it didn't connect; paywall. I couldn't even see the headline, which I suppose would at least have completed your sentence. Couldn't you have put in a few words of summary instead of just the link? Or could we have another link to a newspaper that isn't walled? Thx.

  14. Interesting bargaining position by Dixie_Flatline · · Score: 1

    So Foxconn clearly doesn't NEED to build a plant in Wisconsin. They're doing fine with what they have, and presumably they could've built this plant in China where wages are lower.

    So that really raises the question of how much this must've been worth to them politically to help Trump out. They must be getting a really sweet deal to do this. I love Apple and generally agree with their politics, but let's be totally clear here, they're not doing this out of the goodness of their hearts. And Foxconn is DEFINITELY not doing it for the enrichment of American workers because that's a thing they really feel committed to.

    1. Re:Interesting bargaining position by Dixie_Flatline · · Score: 1

      The administration is actively seeking this. The actual repercussions and results don't matter as long as it can appear like they're doing something. They've spent the entire last 8 months spinning their wheels doing nothing.

  15. Re:winning by mellon · · Score: 1

    The link works for me in incognito mode. Is it possible that you have some adware installed that you don't know about?

  16. These are the ones with the anti-suicide nets by gweihir · · Score: 1

    Right? Because they treat their employees so badly, quite a lot find a jump from the roof preferable.

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  17. Re:Much needed? by UnknowingFool · · Score: 1

    Besides there isn't any definitive word that this factory would make displays for Apple. Foxconn is an Apple supplier but they manufacture for many companies. The displays could be manufactured for LG or Samsung.

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  18. Factory? by Tailhook · · Score: 1

    Deplorables with incomes? Ew. Deindustrialize.

    /s

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  19. Re:FINALLY! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Yours is a ridiculously naive view of history. What we were too short-sighted to understand is that he who manufactures both gains the experience of manufacturing and gets to decide who he pays to develop. As an engineer, I work hand-in-hand with manufacturing. Without direct feedback, my engineering suffers. The best engineering and R&D is done by makers. For enlightenment, look at which country has the most engineers today, which has the fastest growth in R&D spending, etc.

  20. In other news... by chubs · · Score: 1

    In a totally unrelated story, the suicide rate in Wisconsin is at an all time high...

    1. Re:In other news... by WrongMonkey · · Score: 2

      According to your own link, the worst year for suicides at Foxconn was 14 suicides out of 930,000 employees. This is substantially lower than the US suicide rate, which is 12.6 suicides per 100,000 people per year.

  21. I'm guessing they'll pull a Carrier by rsilvergun · · Score: 1

    move in, take bunch of tax breaks that basically pay for the whole thing then leave in 5 years when the tax breaks run out. To be fair Carrier got the tax breaks and didn't even wait the 5 years.

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  22. Most of the jobs are for the building of the plant by WillAffleckUW · · Score: 1

    Most of the plant will be run in the dark by robots.

    Have fun believing in the jobs, because they're like pipeline jobs, 99 percent disappear once it's built.

    Oh, wait, did I burst your bubble?

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  23. Re:To all anti-Trump SOROS losers (lol)... apk by desdinova+216 · · Score: 1

    so it's ok When the Koch brothers do the same thing?

  24. Re:To all anti-Trump SOROS losers (lol)... apk by GameboyRMH · · Score: 1

    Don't compare the Koch brothers to George Soros. Soros doesn't spend anywhere near as much as those two.

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  25. Nice building planned by nospam007 · · Score: 1

    It's a one-story building, because Foxconn employees have the annoying habit to jump from the roof.

  26. Not just politics by virtig01 · · Score: 1

    So Foxconn clearly doesn't NEED to build a plant in Wisconsin. They're doing fine with what they have, and presumably they could've built this plant in China where wages are lower.

    You could say the same about foreign automakers.... yet Toyota, Hyundai, Subaru, etc. all have plants in the US.

    Politics is always a consideration. But as with most business decisions, there are multiple benefits to consider. As automation improves, labor cost becomes less important. And as screens get larger, they become harder to ship. The panel and coverglass are the largest components. So I would expect Foxconn to import electronics from Asia and assemble panels in the US, using coverglass produced stateside by Corning, which is the leading supplier. And finally plastics: polyolefins from MTO in China is 5x the supply cost of polyolefins from ethane in the US. With half dozen world-scale plants coming online in the US in the next few years, plastics supply cost will be relatively cheap in the US.

    So yeah, political reasons might have kicked it over the edge, but there are other considerations at play before a company invests billions of dollars.

  27. Re:To all anti-Trump SOROS losers (lol)... apk by KennyP · · Score: 1

    Are you retarded, or have you knobbed too many dirty donkeys off on Massa Soros' ranch?

    Good Christ - you're stupid!

  28. With good internet connections... by Blinkin1200 · · Score: 1

    With good internet connections they will be able to run and manage the robots remotely.

    Thanks Trump!

  29. More like 3000 Jobs in Wisconsin, if it happans by MacTechnic · · Score: 2

    The quote from Terry Gou about the possible number of jobs is misleading. There will not be 30,000 - 50,000 jobs involved for the plant in SE Wisconsin, more like 3000, if that many. Let's not conflate the possible economic benefits. I cite the report on PBS Newshour tonight to back my claims.

  30. So when do the guards start shooting strikers? by AutodidactLabrat · · Score: 1

    After all, that and the guard towers are what Foxconn is famous for, other than dirt cheap labor sleeping in rows in barracks with bunk beds.

  31. Re:To all anti-Trump SOROS losers (lol)... apk by AutodidactLabrat · · Score: 1

    This would be the Trump who had to drag McSame out of his death-bed just to get a vote to make a discussion to have a vote to take away healhcare?
    Not much winnage in your windbag

  32. Taiwan vs China by spinitch · · Score: 1

    Since FoxConn does not share their business strategy to show projected ROI on this Potential investment the sky is the limit on guessing rationales. Lower Costs = unlikely Strategic location = not to far from O'hare airport a mid-west hub, along with train freight and trucking highways so ok relative to East Coast but not a major advantage. A hedge against supply disruptions if political tensions arise seems possible though other countries could offer similar benefits cheaper except for the military might and USD. Terry Gou shrewdly prolonged negotiations with Sharp for concessions on contingencies and deteriorating situation at the Company. Think FoxConn will require some of the soft promises to be firmed up in writing befor proceeding full speed and until then move slowly ahead with awareness to Walker, Ryan and gang can walk away if favorable environment fades. Still a positive development for WI & US to be in the consideration phase but the tough work lies ahead getting factory built and producing. Motorola built a few nice plants in Northern Illinois including Galvin's hometown of Harvard the latter never fully ramped up and barely used before being shuttered. So things can change. A modest applause warranted now but save the yippees and yahoo bragging until there is some solid substance and economic benefits created.

  33. Re: Chinese owned US factory. A new trend? by Brockmire · · Score: 1

    Every country drop down selection box for shipping and customs disagrees with you.

  34. Re:winning by Holi · · Score: 1

    Well I was going to come and apologize for the paywall link, but now, No, fuck you.

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