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Not Made in America, Wal-Mart Looks Overseas For Online Vendors (reuters.com)

Walmart.com, trailing Amazon.com in the number of goods for sale on its website, is recruiting vendors in China and other countries to boost its online offerings in a pivot away from Wal-Mart's Made-in-America campaign. From a report: While there is a financial incentive behind the move, Wal-Mart's decision comes out of necessity: not all the goods its customers want -- ranging from jeans to bicycles to beauty products -- are manufactured within the United States. That reality pits Wal-Mart against President Donald Trump's "Made in America" push. It also risks alienating some of Wal-Mart's existing U.S. vendors since it runs counter to the American-made pledge the retailer made in 2013 in a bid to win customers, and satisfy unions and other critics who said its drive for low cost goods was undermining American jobs. According to two sources with knowledge of the matter, Wal-Mart Stores in February began inviting sellers from China, the United Kingdom and Canada to list on the marketplace section of Walmart.com, where it earns a share of revenue from goods sold and delivered to customers by third-party vendors.

111 comments

  1. who cares? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    seriously, does anyone give a shit?

    1. Re:who cares? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Morals are apparently only for television and other such fantasies.

      "Business Ethics" aka the original contradiction

    2. Re:who cares? by Killall+-9+Bash · · Score: 1

      Don't worry, your outsourced IT job is safe, Raj.

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    3. Re:who cares? by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 2

      Morals are apparently only for television and other such fantasies.

      Since when is buying American more "moral" than buying elsewhere?

    4. Re:who cares? by penandpaper · · Score: 1

      Could argue that depending on the elsewhere the lax labor laws could run against your morals.

      If I buy a T-Shirt made in a sweatshop using child labor does that make it less moral than if I bought it from a local manufacturer abiding by those labor laws I find moral and voted for?

      Obviously, that falls apart if the elsewhere has the same or similar labor laws.

    5. Re:who cares? by uncqual · · Score: 1, Troll

      Because it is more moral to give a dollar to an unskilled, unmotivated, and under-educated American worker who didn't bother to pay attention in school or better themselves and lives in an apartment with his own bedroom, a flush toilet, dishwasher, internet access, and a smoke alarm and who owns an iPhone than to give a dollar to a hard working young adult who grew up on a farm in rural China without running water and whose hardworking family struggled to barely survive and who has taken the initiative to leave their family to move to where there are jobs?

      Actually, I have no idea. Probably something to do with tribalism and a "We have ours, get your own" attitude or something along those lines.

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    6. Re:who cares? by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 3, Interesting

      If I buy a T-Shirt made in a sweatshop using child labor ...

      China has strict child labor laws. The only evidence that child labor is used in export factories was a series of photos published in 2010 showing children chained to their work stations. They were soon exposed as a hoax.

      Compared to OSHA, China has more lax workplace safety, but safety rules are more rigidly enforced in export factories, so buying "Made in China" is likely providing Chinese workers with safer and better jobs that they would otherwise have.

    7. Re:who cares? by rogoshen1 · · Score: 1

      Been to the rust belt lately? (this is assuming you are American)

    8. Re:who cares? by chipschap · · Score: 1

      This is another ./ story that the "editors" think is relevant to tech nerds?

    9. Re:who cares? by Swave+An+deBwoner · · Score: 2

      So that's why Ivanka has all her clothing line made in China! She's thinking of the children!

    10. Re:who cares? by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 1

      Been to the rust belt lately?

      Yes. I was in the Midwest a few months ago. What is your point?

      China also has a rust belt. Been to Harbin lately?

    11. Re: who cares? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      People get run over in the street daily in China, and nobody gives a flying fuck. The people are often repeatedly run over by those following the first perpetrator. Kids are left tied up to light poles, whilst parents go to work. 'not my business' is the prevailing attitude in China , people avert their eyes from any number of disgraceful and dehumanizing events in their daily lives. Do you really think black market child sweatshops are nonextant?

    12. Re:who cares? by rogoshen1 · · Score: 1

      I'm not Chinese. I'd rather pay a bit more money for a car (or insert hypothetical manufactured item) and have it be made by some dude in MI or OH than elsewhere.

    13. Re: who cares? by bickerdyke · · Score: 1

      Hmm.. I guess we better should take your word for it, huh?

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    14. Re:who cares? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why? Is that dude in MI or OH a better or more deserving person than some other dude elsewhere?

    15. Re: who cares? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I do! Back when I was growing up it buy American and now look at us we are buying overseas shit! This is why this country has no jobs anymore!

    16. Re: who cares? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Buying elsewhere is costing American jobs! Man people are stupid or just assholes and don't care about America anymore! If you can't stand up for America then move elsewhere!

  2. I just go to ebay for chinese by jfdavis668 · · Score: 1

    When looking for cheap stuff from overseas, I just go to ebay. Not always the safest move, but a very good selection. Not sure what Walmart would add.

    1. Re:I just go to ebay for chinese by DontBeAMoran · · Score: 2

      I've only had one bad purchase from China via eBay in over two decades.

      Of course, if you're the type of person to just believe anything a seller tells you, you will end up buying crap such as those "9000mAh" 18650 batteries on eBay.

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    2. Re:I just go to ebay for chinese by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Free 'instantaneous' shipping? - you just drive over and pick it up.

      Being able to examine the item in person? None of this photo horseshit; many times the photos aren't even of the product.

      A legitimate return policy? None of this BS of the seller being non-responsive when there is a problem.

    3. Re:I just go to ebay for chinese by misexistentialist · · Score: 1

      dealing with 3rd party vendors on Walmart is riskier since Walmart offers no guarantee and will pressure your credit card company to deny any chargeback

    4. Re:I just go to ebay for chinese by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Remember, the brand is "9000mAh" the capacity is about 900mAh.

    5. Re: I just go to ebay for chinese by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Truth.
      There are even fake fakes. "UltraFire" is a well-known fake 18650 "brand" with wildly exaggerated capacity ratings. Then you have those who really really don't care, and print their cells with "UitraFlre" or even "UitraFlrc".
      Google it and have a laugh.

    6. Re:I just go to ebay for chinese by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Of course, if you're the type of person to just believe anything a seller tells you, you will end up buying crap such as those "9000mAh" 18650 batteries on eBay.

      Yeah, battery capacity tends to be exaggerated, and batteries might be lacking certain circuitry that prevents the cells from dying quickly.

      It's better to stay with totally legit items like the 1TB USB 2.0 Flash Drives for under $20 :-)

    7. Re:I just go to ebay for chinese by MBGMorden · · Score: 1

      I have to agree. Granted, I generally don't buy anything I'm TOO concerned about from China, but if I can get something for a dollar or two from China off Ebay (when ordering domestic costs 5-10x as much, AND the item is usually still "Made in China" anyways), then I'll do it.

      In many, many years of ordering (I've been on ebay for 20 years but I'd say my first order from China was probably 12 years ago), I've never had a package not show up. It might take 2-3 months sometime, but they've always gotten here.

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    8. Re:I just go to ebay for chinese by arth1 · · Score: 1

      Yeah, battery capacity tends to be exaggerated, and batteries might be lacking certain circuitry that prevents the cells from dying quickly.

      As in very quickly, in a ball of fire, if you subject them to things they aren't specifically stating support for, like charging.

  3. I am shocked that global commerce isn't easy! by jellomizer · · Score: 4, Interesting

    The Globalization Genie had been opened. Trying to get it closed will not be easy.
    There are some tasks that just doesn't make sense for America to do anymore. Putting workers pay and working conditions aside. It is just trying to find people willing to do that particular work. Kids today are not looking for manufacturing jobs. The manufacturing jobs in America are for higher cost items, because these jobs require people with real skills to build.

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    1. Re:I am shocked that global commerce isn't easy! by Tablizer · · Score: 2

      Kids today are not looking for manufacturing jobs.

      Realistically, what do they want then? Not everybody is cut out for STEM jobs and not everybody has enough people/schmoozing skills for sales, and you have to know the ropes of some specialty before you become manager.

      Factory jobs can get really boring, but some people are okay with the redundancy.

    2. Re:I am shocked that global commerce isn't easy! by alvinrod · · Score: 1

      I wonder if servants / house keepers will make something of a comeback. House work isn't terribly difficult, but it is rather tedious. I would say that it's more varied than factory work at least.

    3. Re:I am shocked that global commerce isn't easy! by Ayanami_R · · Score: 1

      Probably not, most can't afford that.

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    4. Re:I am shocked that global commerce isn't easy! by bluefoxlucid · · Score: 5, Interesting

      There are a number of things to consider.

      There are some tasks that just doesn't make sense for America to do anymore.

      This is correct; however,

      It is just trying to find people willing to do that particular work. Kids today are not looking for manufacturing jobs. The manufacturing jobs in America are for higher cost items, because these jobs require people with real skills to build.

      That isn't.

      The Chinese are fantastically-skilled manufacturers. They have the capacity to produce the highest-quality goods--or any quality of goods--at the lowest cost in terms of labor (hours), not just in terms of wage-labor (wages x labor).

      People economize. People want to expend ('spend) the least means for the greatest ends. In other words: they want to get things as cheap as they can. Less work, less money, less whatever from them, more of what they want to them.

      Americans, thus, have a huge demand for the lowest-price goods they can get. To American business, that doesn't just mean outsourcing to cheap Chinese labor; it means paying the Chinese half as much to make a low-quality good when they could damned well get a high-quality good that no American manufactory could ever produce at a reasonable price at any quality level. People don't want a $36 electric can-opener that their grandchildren will inherit; they want a $19 can-opener that they'll replace in 5 years with a fancier model for some unfathomable reason (this one cuts from the side to produce no sharps on the lid--just on the can!).

      Do you know why there are no manufacture jobs to make can openers in America?

      Because you can't pay American workers. Nobody's buying the product for $100 (the American wage is higher, after all); and the Americans can't make it as well as the Chinese, besides. You don't have a revenue stream. Those jobs don't exist because of lack of demand.

      Trade advantage. We're richer because we get the same products cheaper.

      This 5% unemployment isn't going away; it'll spike in the next recession, and then recede to around 5% again. We're at 4.7% now and we're not going to see 3%, although we might be able to squeeze a bit more out if we can go expending peoples's savings (notably, the huge savings of venture capitalists) to create unsupportable jobs and start-ups that will eventually collapse as the rich-people money runs out.

      We're not going to see permanent 10% unemployment or permanent 3% unemployment; we're not losing jobs to China. Oddly enough, manufacturing e.g. pants in America instead of China would decrease total American jobs: we lose the retail, shipping, and other support jobs that are based purely on volume of goods (a retail cashier scans 980 items per hour; a 40-foot trailer carries 20,000 pairs of pants) when the American factories crank out expensive goods. People can afford fewer of those high-priced goods, after all; and the American factory worker can't spend his money until he's earned his money, so it ticks around like a clock (in a computer, synchronizing the pipeline).

      Theoretically, 178,000 Chinese workers (40-hour week) supply all the import men and boys's cotton trousers and shorts America buys; there are 158,000,000 working Americans. "The money stays in America" only means it goes to those 178,000 Americans--theoretically. When the money can't buy as much, it goes to fewer Americans--say 59,000 (3x as expensive). Those Americans can't offset the loss of purchasing power of the other 158,000,000, and so less is purchased in total, less is moved and retailed, and many of those others lose their jobs.

      Why can't Americans buy so many pants when pants cost $30 or $50 instead of $15? Because the American worker must work twice as long to earn that wage!

      Finally, there's this:

      Putting workers pay and working conditions aside.

      Chinese wage and social insurances were

    5. Re:I am shocked that global commerce isn't easy! by blindseer · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Get rid of the minimum wage and they might.

      I'm sure people are aghast at the thought of getting rid of a "living wage" but hear me out. Imagine how much it would cost you in real dollars to lose the use of one of your bedrooms. I know a lot of people on Slashdot are college students, so just imagine a small family in a typical three bedroom house with two parents and one or two children. What does one bedroom "cost" in real dollars? Not much, it's hard to put a number on it with so many variables but I think we can agree the cost is small.

      What is that room worth to someone looking for somewhere to stay? In real dollars? That could be somewhere between half and a quarter of the mortgage. Now the family, with two working parents, might just love to have a young trustworthy person to watch the house and children while they work. If they have to pay minimum wage then this is priced right out. If they can agree to pay in shelter, food (because what would one extra person cost in food for a family of four?), and a small monthly stipend then this might be a worthwhile job for a lot of people.

      I could see this as a valid career for someone. They might specialize in certain kinds of care, perhaps going from family to family every couple of years to care for small children, or older people, or whatever. If they are good then they could perhaps demand a good stipend and retire to a place and hire their own house keeper.

      I'm sure if someone was willing to do the proper paperwork to avoid the minimum wage laws that this is possible now. Certainly wealthy people do this already. If more people can get a start working at any wage then they can demand a higher one later.

      I think it all starts with doing away with the minimum wage.

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    6. Re:I am shocked that global commerce isn't easy! by CanadianMacFan · · Score: 1

      Not house keepers but there are lots of people who get house keeping services. They come in once or twice a week and clean up the essentials such as the sinks, toilets, showers, floors, etc. They go around and clean up a couple of houses day. The company does a background check on all of the employees and cleaners are sent in teams of two or three.

    7. Re:I am shocked that global commerce isn't easy! by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 3, Informative

      Get rid of the minimum wage and they might.

      Housekeepers make way more than minimum wage. I have a cleaning woman come twice a month. She cleans for 3 hours, and I pay her $120. That is $40 per hour. Minimum wage in California is $10.50.

      But even at $40/hr, no American is interested, so I get to practice speaking Spanish twice a month.

    8. Re:I am shocked that global commerce isn't easy! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      You are vastly overestimating the difference of American labor on product price there, brah.

    9. Re:I am shocked that global commerce isn't easy! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Thank you for this post.
      It has been rated: Good, Very.
      At the Good Very rate you will be compensated .10 walbucks per 100 words.

    10. Re:I am shocked that global commerce isn't easy! by Pascoea · · Score: 1

      they want a $19 can-opener that they'll replace in 5 years with a fancier model for some unfathomable reason (this one cuts from the side to produce no sharps on the lid--just on the can!).

      I bought this "special" can opener that was labeled something like "opens first time, guaranteed". I have to say, the thing is amazing. It literally does what it says, and doesn't take three attempts to open a god damn can...

    11. Re:I am shocked that global commerce isn't easy! by thsths · · Score: 1

      You can always work at Walmart...

    12. Re:I am shocked that global commerce isn't easy! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Cleaning out your pipes != Housekeeper.

      3 hours...bullshit.

    13. Re:I am shocked that global commerce isn't easy! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Who wants strangers in their house? (ignoring electronic spying devices)

    14. Re:I am shocked that global commerce isn't easy! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If there is a job that you are not willing or unable to do, then those people that will do your job for yo will inevitably end up taking over your land, your women, and your livelihood. This is obvious and been demonstrated by history over and over again. The slaves invariably become the masters. If you are too good to pick crops / soldier / lay brick, / work in a factory, then those that will shall outproduce and out populate you.

      A country that does not make anything will not remain a superpower.

    15. Re:I am shocked that global commerce isn't easy! by currently_awake · · Score: 1

      Or you could deduct housing and food from their (minimum wage) pay, just like rich people do.

    16. Re:I am shocked that global commerce isn't easy! by Tablizer · · Score: 1

      Get rid of the minimum wage and [maids may be affordable to most]

      Do you really want somebody living off of really low wages poking around your house? Poverty creates desperation.

    17. Re:I am shocked that global commerce isn't easy! by blindseer · · Score: 1

      Do you really want somebody living off of really low wages poking around your house? Poverty creates desperation.

      This is a different kind of job. Not like others where getting fired means going home and not going to work the next day. This kind of work means being potentially homeless if fired. That's got to be a motivator to behave. Also, there's more than just the stipend to compensate them, like perhaps living in a nicer house and neighborhood than they could afford at even twice the minimum wage.

      They're not getting much of a real wage, but they are getting food and shelter as part of their pay. Just a roof over their head can be worth something like $5 an hour if they work a 40 hour week watching kids, doing laundry, sweeping floors, and so forth. Add in that they get fed, that's worth something. Other expenses like utilities would be paid. Living on their own means having to pay their own cable and internet bills, sharing with a family is nearly free for both parties. There might be other perks that could be offered that cost little for the family but be valuable to the housecleaner/babysitter, like being able to join them on road trips.

      I can imagine this being something of a norm for a lot of people. Hire someone out of high school to babysit and do housework while the parents are away working. They'd be expected to prepare breakfast, and lunch, but once the parents are home they're workday is done. At that point they can go take college classes, on a computer in their room or go to a traditional campus. Maybe they go work a part time job in the evenings. After four or five years of this the parents might be comfortable with allowing the children to be at home unsupervised, and the person moves on to something else, or doing the same with a different family.

      Maybe the person, now with a college education, takes on home schooling the children, and can demand a higher stipend because of the greater demand for his/her skills. Other roles are possible to maintain this relationship over time with the same family, such as being their personal assistant, doing their accounting/taxes, or being a kind of handyman.

      In the days when personal mobility (physically I mean, not financially) was not like today such relationships were something of a norm. A trip to the next town might be a day long ride by horse for example. A person might not get paid much but they'd have food and shelter, and learn a trade or two. That trade might be just being able to handle a couple children but if you want to be a teacher, go into medicine, or even be a train conductor (or whatever the modern equivalent might be), this can be valuable experience.

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    18. Re:I am shocked that global commerce isn't easy! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How's that neoliberal koolaid taste?

    19. Re:I am shocked that global commerce isn't easy! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That has to be the most stupid comment in a long time. god there are a lot of brainwashed people in the cult of Ian Rand.

      This is religious BS and the major religions are too stupid to defend themselves against it just because it's mostly economics does not mean it can't be religion.

    20. Re:I am shocked that global commerce isn't easy! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Just wondering, why isnt maids n drivers more common in the usa? Pay someone with a HS diploma min wage + overtime.

  4. Remember Walmart's "Made in the USA" campaign? by elrous0 · · Score: 1

    It's seems like an eternity ago.

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    1. Re:Remember Walmart's "Made in the USA" campaign? by Sindar+By+Choice · · Score: 0

      That reality pits Wal-Mart against President Donald Trump's "Made in America" push.

      White Nationalism will never be the same.

    2. Re:Remember Walmart's "Made in the USA" campaign? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      it was a long time ago. ended soon as they hit market saturation nationwide. then came the made in china crap when they priced all competitors in smallish markets out of business.

    3. Re:Remember Walmart's "Made in the USA" campaign? by rahvin112 · · Score: 2

      They are promoting it again if you haven't been into a store recently. I had the unfortunate displeasure of having to buy a couple things from them so I was in store as recently as a few weeks ago. I don't believe anything they are hanging the banner on is actually made in America, I'd be willing to be the bulk is crap made in china by an American company where some small minuscule process was done in America.

      Anyone claiming such in advertising should be required by law to report the percentage.

    4. Re:Remember Walmart's "Made in the USA" campaign? by wyHunter · · Score: 3, Insightful

      If you live in the United States, the health of the USA economy is extreme importance to you. Race such as 'white' has nothing to do with it.

    5. Re:Remember Walmart's "Made in the USA" campaign? by Oswald+McWeany · · Score: 1

      I've always equated Wal-Mart with cheap products made in China. Isn't that kind of a stereotype about Wal-Mart? I don't think I've ever heard anyone accuse Wal-Mart of being very "American" in their offerings.

      What has changed?

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    6. Re:Remember Walmart's "Made in the USA" campaign? by Sindar+By+Choice · · Score: 1

      What accent should I imagine you speaking American English in?

    7. Re:Remember Walmart's "Made in the USA" campaign? by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 1

      If you live in the United States, the health of the USA economy is extreme importance to you.

      Indeed. But economic nationalism does not lead to a healthy economy and never has.

    8. Re:Remember Walmart's "Made in the USA" campaign? by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 2

      Anyone claiming such in advertising should be required by law to report the percentage.

      When I was shopping for a minivan, I did some research about where the vehicles were made, and also where all the parts were made, and the "labor value" by country. The "most American" was the Honda Odyssey.

    9. Re:Remember Walmart's "Made in the USA" campaign? by MBGMorden · · Score: 1

      Anyone claiming such in advertising should be required by law to report the percentage.

      While it's not an exact percentage, some companies do something similar (and I'd wager they wouldn't if not required to). Buck Knives for example has various models of different quality levels.

      Some that are wholly made in the US are marked "Made in the USA" (usually with an indicator that the sheath was Made in Mexico as they seem to always outsource their leather work there). Some are marked "Made in China". Others are marked "Made in the USA of USA and Imported Parts".

      I don't think they'd put the "imported parts" bit on the packages if they weren't required to.

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    10. Re:Remember Walmart's "Made in the USA" campaign? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Especially not when the United States engages in economic warfare against anyone who even considers such an approach. Hmmmm...

    11. Re:Remember Walmart's "Made in the USA" campaign? by arth1 · · Score: 1

      If you live in the United States, the health of the USA economy is extreme importance to you.

      But grammar isn't.

    12. Re:Remember Walmart's "Made in the USA" campaign? by wyHunter · · Score: 1

      Well, since 'America' is the US, Canada, Mexico, and many other nations in central and south America, well, heck, take your pick!

    13. Re:Remember Walmart's "Made in the USA" campaign? by wyHunter · · Score: 2

      I daresay that the EU and China would disagree with you. Don't forget Japan as well.

    14. Re:Remember Walmart's "Made in the USA" campaign? by wyHunter · · Score: 2

      Of course not, we're 'muricans.

    15. Re:Remember Walmart's "Made in the USA" campaign? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I strongly doubt Europe and Japan would disagree. Those are the regions most disadvantaged by the rampant economic nationalism in the US and China.

  5. Are you kidding me? by jedidiah · · Score: 5, Interesting

    You must be joking.

    Wal-mart hasn't been about "made in America" since the last century at least. THEY are the ones pushing companies to cut prices at any cost and outsource manufacturing to China to begin with.

    They are the LAST place I would go looking for stuff made in the US. They try to drive those kinds of companies out of business.

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    1. Re:Are you kidding me? by Gilgaron · · Score: 3, Informative

      They're the last place I go to look for anything at all... its a whole store stocked with the level of merchandise you find at the grocer that isn't groceries. If you happen to find a brand name you recognize, they probably made the SKU just for Walmart, so it is going to suck anyways.

    2. Re:Are you kidding me? by Tablizer · · Score: 3, Interesting

      They've been slapping a big patriotic logo on the few percent of their items actually made in the US, and the rest have "Made in China" in teeny weeny little letters. You have to buy their Chinese-made magnifying glass to see it.

    3. Re:Are you kidding me? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Their made in America days ended when Sam Walton died. He would probably have disowned his kids if he could have know what they would do to the company.

    4. Re:Are you kidding me? by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 1

      My uncle met Sam Walton a few times. He told me that he was in a meeting with Sam in a conference room. At the end of the meeting everyone shook hands and began walking out of the room. But Sam, already a billionaire, walked around the table, gathered up all the ink pens and put them in his pocket.

    5. Re:Are you kidding me? by AnalogDiehard · · Score: 1

      Besides the bad quality goods they sell, I refuse to patronize a company that intentionally designs their employee health insurance to be so inadequate and unaffordable that the employees see public health care as a more attractive insurance. Part of their new employee orientation includes training on how to apply for Medicaid. Medicaid was never intended as a safety net for full-time gainfully employed citizens. WalMart is covertly gaming the Medicaid system by keeping wages under the threshold and shifting the burden onto taxpayers. If that is how WalMart stays competitive by exploiting taxpayer revenue, then I refuse to patronize them.

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    6. Re:Are you kidding me? by MBGMorden · · Score: 1

      They've had a SMALL push lately, but nothing big. If you went to their tool section for example they might have one item "Made in the USA" amongst all the Chinese stuff.

      Overall though it's somewhat of a non-issue. Economic benefits aside, "Made in the USA" is more in indicator of a minimum level of quality versus being the only quality items.

      The Chinese can and do produce quality products - it's just that they also don't seem to mind producing absolute junk if that's what you'll buy. Most stuff made here won't (usually) dip into "junk" territory.

      IE, if you see a $2 frying pan Made in China. Another for $15 Made in China, and another for $30 Made in the USA.

      While the $15 Chinese pan is equal in quality to the $30 American pan, there is no American equivalent of the $2 pan that will probably warp the first time you use it. An American company wouldn't put that out as it would damage their reputation - a Chinese product might not have a brand on it at all and if it does it'll change frequently enough that you won't ever know who really made something.

      A lot of (particularly older) people were used to that idea that the "junk" tier doesn't exist - in their minds even the cheapest item in the store should be of serviceable quality. When they buy it and it breaks almost immediately, they develop an aversion to "Made in China".

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    7. Re:Are you kidding me? by stolidobserver · · Score: 1

      Read up about Wal-mart and Vlasic pickles and you can see a clear story about how they operate. Take what you see there, apply it to everyone Wal-mart does business with.

    8. Re:Are you kidding me? by Swave+An+deBwoner · · Score: 1
      Having found the FastCompany story about Walmart and Vlasic, I got to this paragraph (boldface added by me):

      https://www.fastcompany.com/47593/wal-mart-you-dont-know

      Finally, Wal-Mart let Vlasic up for air. “The Wal-Mart guy’s response was classic,” Young recalls. “He said, ‘Well, we’ve done to pickles what we did to orange juice. We’ve killed it. We can back off.’ ” Vlasic got to take it down to just over half a gallon of pickles, for $2.79. Not long after that, in January 2001, Vlasic filed for bankruptcy–although the gallon jar of pickles, everyone agrees, wasn’t a critical factor.

      So after that whole long story, the end result was that Walmart's insistence on selling Vlasic gallons for under $3 was not the reason for Vlasic's bankruptcy?

      Maybe I missed the point?

      But then I got to this paragraph:

      John Fitzgerald, a former vice president of Nabisco, remembers Wal-Mart’s reaction to his company’s plan to offer a 25-cent newspaper coupon for a large bag of Lifesavers in advance of Halloween. Wal-Mart told Nabisco to add up what it would spend on the promotion–for the newspaper ads, the coupons, and handling–and then just take that amount off the price instead. “That isn’t necessarily good for the manufacturer,” Fitzgerald says. “They need things that draw attention.”

      And find that Walmart told Nabisco to just lower their price instead of roping in customers using newspaper coupons that they will inevitably forget to use, or have to buy an unwanted crappy tabloid (I'm thinking "NY Post" with coupons versus "Washington Post" without coupons) just to obtain, for the same difference in price; without the cost to Nabisco of advertising in the newspaper to boot.

      And now I'm thinking that maybe Walmart isn't the horrible ogre it's usually portrayed to be. At least in these two cases.

  6. Why? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Why would I go visit the ASDA web site for anything (ASDA is Walmart in the UK)?
    I don't shop there and honestly there is no reason for me to go anywhere near my local one when every other supermarket in the area has free parking and even some EV charging points when it costs money to park at ASDA?
    Then the offerings in the store might be cheap but every package seems to be jumbo sized and aimed a large families (4 kids minimum). Said kids are usually running riot in the store while their parents chat to their friends.
    As I don't use their physical store, why would I use their online store?
    There are plenty of other retailers to choose from here. ASDA are at the very bottom of the list.

    1. Re:Why? by wonkey_monkey · · Score: 1

      Why would I... I don't shop there... I don't use their physical store, why would I use their online store? ASDA are at the very bottom of the list.

      Well, good for you, I guess. But why should any of us care what you do? It has no relevance to the story.

      Maybe you hadn't realised, but Slashdot wasn't created solely for your consumption.

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    2. Re:Why? by Sindar+By+Choice · · Score: 1

      Nothing funnier than a butthurt WalMart apologist!

    3. Re:Why? by Nutria · · Score: 1

      Why would we shop at Walmart?

      The prices are good,the quality is Good Enough, it's less than 2 miles from the house, and there are 4 people in our household.

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    4. Re:Why? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      To be honest, this is the Sam Vimes boot's phenomenon.

      If you can afford to shop somewhere other than walmart, you'll be far better off in a short period of time. Their products are incredibly poor quality.

      I used to work in a testing facility, and most (if not all) the major brand names make Walmart specific SKU's which are made of inferior components. Their Quality department is ruthless in trying to absolve liability for products that don't meet US codes and standards, and they could not care less about providing a quality product. They are not so evil to knowingly sell something dangerous, but that's hardly a glowing recommendation. They do the bare minimum.

      Their business model is forcing manufacturers and even the testing groups into a "race to the bottom" where quality takes a backseat to product cost. It's "not their fault" since they "don't tell people to lower the quality" they just won't buy it unless it's under a pricepoint set well below the norm. And honestly, they are partially right. Better manufacturers just wouldn't sell there, but that's hard to justify for some companies when they represent such a huge market.

      And this is all without getting into their hiring and workplace practices that more or less use government programs to subsidize their employees. They purposely reduce hours and pay low wages and then train people on the local government services (food stamps, WICK, etc). US tax dollars prop up Walmart in lieu of setting a living wage.

      In my personal opinion, the only moral reasons for shopping at Walmart are A) if you are trapped in the system they help create (i.e. you are poor and need their low prices and don't live near a similar cheap alternative-- I will begrudge no one having to shop there to survive / afford a minimum quality of life), or B) it's an emergency. For example, we had a CO problem in an apartment and I needed a meter to double check the dying one. Walmart was the only place open at 3am selling CO monitors. I'm not going to shop there on principle, but I'm not going to die in my house on said principle. If I had an alternative I certainly would have taken it.

      Again, it's much easier to take this "moral high ground" when you have the money to avoid it.

      That said, if you can manage it, the quality of products you buy at a different store will probably last a lot longer and save you money in the long run. Though again, it's a moot point if you simply can't afford that option.

    5. Re:Why? by blindseer · · Score: 1

      That said, if you can manage it, the quality of products you buy at a different store will probably last a lot longer and save you money in the long run.

      I just tell people I'm too poor to shop at Walmart, I can't afford to buy my stuff twice.

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    6. Re:Why? by Pax681 · · Score: 2

      Why would I go visit the ASDA web site for anything (ASDA is Walmart in the UK)? I don't shop there and honestly there is no reason for me to go anywhere near my local one when every other supermarket in the area has free parking and even some EV charging points when it costs money to park at ASDA?

      I am 47 years old, live in Scotland but have lived in many places across the uk. NEVER EVER have I have to pay to park at an ASDA. Not ever.
      from Ayrshire, Glasgow, Aldershot, Catterick, Edinburgh,Perth,Aberdeen and many others. The only time i have been charged.... wasn't by Asda but when the places is in a shopping mall and you have to use that parking... which only happened once and that was only because ASDA's own parking was full .

    7. Re:Why? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I despise liberal whinning Americans and America in general. I buy Walmart just to screw my neighbor.

    8. Re:Why? by wonkey_monkey · · Score: 1

      What are you talking about? How have I been an apologist for Walmart?

      AC's post is pointless and irrelevant regardless of what I think about Walmart/Asda - which is, not that it matters, basically nothing, since I have neither anywhere near me.

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  7. Colon, not comma by wonkey_monkey · · Score: 3, Funny

    Not Made in America, Wal-Mart Looks Overseas For Online Vendors

    What, Wal-Mart's not made in America?

    Comma should have been a colon. Someone needs to go to headline-writing school.

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  8. Is anyone surprised by rahvin112 · · Score: 1

    Really, is anyone surprised by this?

  9. Let the Wal-Mart bashing begin! by blindseer · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I don't like Wal-Mart. I remember a long time ago when Wal-Mart would advertise that everything they sold in the store was made in the USA. Then one day those advertisements stopped. They still had ads on TV but the claims of everything made in the USA wasn't part of it. Then it was how every day they dropped prices. Cheap, cheap, cheap, that's what they sold.

    When I had to move to a new town and buy some things for my apartment I didn't know where I could shop. I did happen upon a Wal-Mart though. The place was dimly lit. It smelled like cheap plastic. And, the other shoppers looked like extras from a horror movie. The wastebasket I bought then stunk up the whole apartment. I told myself that I'd only go back to Wal-Mart again only if there was no other alternative.

    I'll still go back once in a while. Usually because I'm taken there by someone I'm shopping with. The stores are brighter now. The stench is gone. The quality of the shoppers is hit and miss. I've learned what is "safe" and "not safe" to buy for the most part. Milk is usually safe, fruits not so much. I've learned to also look for brands I recognize. Schumacher? Never seen them before, probably crap. Deltran? I've heard of them, I'll get that instead.

    If I need to buy something right away I've got lots of choices besides Wal-Mart. Would I go on-line to buy anything from them? Not likely. Sorry Wal-Mart, you lost me when you prioritized price over quality. I can't afford you because I cannot be bothered to buy my stuff twice. I'd rather go somewhere else and buy a quality product in the first place so I don't have to go looking for a replacement. I see you have not changed your ways.

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    1. Re:Let the Wal-Mart bashing begin! by cascadingstylesheet · · Score: 1

      Sorry Wal-Mart, you lost me when you prioritized price over quality. I can't afford you because I cannot be bothered to buy my stuff twice. I'd rather go somewhere else and buy a quality product in the first place so I don't have to go looking for a replacement. I see you have not changed your ways.

      You can buy plenty of name brand stuff at Walmart that is exactly the same as found elsewhere, just less expensive.

    2. Re:Let the Wal-Mart bashing begin! by blindseer · · Score: 1

      You can buy plenty of name brand stuff at Walmart that is exactly the same as found elsewhere, just less expensive.

      Still not worth it. I can go to a Target, Sears, Best Buy, or whatever and buy what I came to get for a few bucks more and not have to go somewhere else to buy the other stuff I went to go shopping for that day. The margins on the savings for even big purchases are not worth my time. I might save $5 or $15 on a $300 piece of electronics but that's not worth it. Something like an iPod, or XBox, or whatever the latest gadget might be could be only pennies cheaper. Something like a TV set, even from a known brand, could be a Wal-Mart specific product that lacks the support the main line products would have.

      For example, my brother gave me one of those inflatable camping mattresses because he lost the cap that would hold the air in or something, he couldn't find a replacement part right away, so he just bought a new one. It was worthless to him so he gave it to me. After doing some digging I found out this was a Wal-Mart specific model and the manufacturer did not stock replacement parts for them.

      Even getting stuff from a respected brand might not save you. You have to look real careful at the model and make sure it is in fact the same thing you can get elsewhere, or you run the risk of buying junk. You'll see products at Wal-Mart that are labelled "CheapShit - from RespectedBrand", or "RespectedBrand CheapShit Edition", or "RespectedBrand Model 1234cs" which is the CheapShit version of the "RespectedBrand Model 1234" you'll find at the store at the other end of the parking lot.

      They will remain the store of last resort until I see years of them not pulling stunts like that. Since that is their basic business model I don't expect that to change in my lifetime.

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    3. Re:Let the Wal-Mart bashing begin! by HornWumpus · · Score: 1

      The classic counterexample I goto is the Rubbermaid mop bucket and wringer. The one you get at Wallyworld is not the same as the one you get at Home Depot. It's cheaper, but absolute garbage.

      The one they _use_ at Walmart? The one from Home Depot. I gave the local Wallyworld manager a ration of shit over it. They should eat their own dogfood.

      Worse, you can now find the useless one at other vendors. Once they made the molds, they just run it, sunk costs. Rubbermaid aren't considering the cost of wrecking their brand...

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    4. Re:Let the Wal-Mart bashing begin! by DogDude · · Score: 1

      You'd buy milk from Wal-Mart? Of all things to buy at Wal-Mart, and you chose something that you put into your body, that is very perishable, that comes from an unknown source, that could contain all kinds of unknown carcinogens? I don't understand why people treat their bodies like dumpsters.

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    5. Re:Let the Wal-Mart bashing begin! by chihowa · · Score: 1

      Rubbermaid aren't considering the cost of wrecking their brand...

      Sure they are. Somebody (or several somebodies), somewhere in Rubbermaid, is actively and deliberately converting the brand's reputation into personal (and maybe stockholder) wealth. It has value and they're cashing it out. Caring about the longevity of the company is outdated thinking.

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    6. Re:Let the Wal-Mart bashing begin! by chihowa · · Score: 1

      I cringed when he said milk, too.

      The only thing I've ever bought at Wal-Mart is ammo and that's only because I was riding with somebody else who insisted in stopping there to get shells and clays. Using cut-rate ammo seemed a sketchy choice, so I left the rest of it with him.

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  10. Good! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Because the 1376 results i got on my last search most definately was inferior to Amazon's 1736 results :O

    I think someone is a little OCD or something...

    The 1st thing i do is sort to get rid of the 3rd party stuff. So, um, not so impressive. Like someone said, eBay is easier for cheap Chinese stuff direct.

  11. Wal*Mart NEVER was. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

    Back when Walmart was becoming a national thing, Sam Walton would be quoted, "We have the highest quality products at the lowest prices!"

    So, when one finally showed up near me, I went shopping. Same shit as K-Mart for maybe a cent or two lower.

    He was just another bullshitter. He had this public personae of this folksy Arkansas hick who drove an old pickup truck (Hey customers! I'm just one of you!) but in reality he was s shrewd business guy that exploited his customers and the fact the most retailers stayed away from rural areas.

    That's all he did: he put stores were others didn't and sold the same shit.

  12. Walmart has a big presence in China by PerlPunk · · Score: 1

    Walmart is not just in America. It has more than 6000 stores in America, but in China it has more than 400. It and the US govt. needs to be more shrewd in bargaining to get more stores in China and other places. No one-sided protectionism. Kill China's preferred nation status with the US if they get all fussy about letting more American goods and businesses in.

  13. Logistics by AVryhof · · Score: 2

    Walmart *could* compete with Amazon. They offer 2-day shipping, and have a seller marketplace... but that two day shipping is useless when the item isn't shipped for weeks.

    1. Re:Logistics by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Walmart's 3rd party marketplace isn't the best, from the seller standpoint. I work for a company that sells mostly "open box" products on eBay and Amazon, and we looked at Walmart, but they don't have a way to specify the condition on listings. So basically if it's not factory sealed new, don't bother listing it, because you don't have any way of letting the customer know the true condition. On top of that, you're required to use a UPC on all created listings, and data (product descriptions, pictures, etc) already in their catalog will override what you send,

    2. Re:Logistics by Nutria · · Score: 1

      We've started buying certain groceries from them (canned and durable bagged food, toothpaste, etc). The two-day shipping is sometimes three days, but we plan ahead, and it reduces the amount of time we have to spend at the brick-and-mortar store.

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    3. Re:Logistics by CrashNBrn · · Score: 1

      Walmart (or their resellers?) are selling on Amazon. I ordered a 5 pack of family size Honey Comb on Amazon [not prime], and it arrived in a day and was in a Walmart warehouse box.

    4. Re:Logistics by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Really? Ever used Amazon's free shipping? They ways take at least 5-7 days before they ship an item in every one of my experiences. I've cancelled orders in several instances they've taken so long to ship before. Walmart however always ships out same day or next day with free shipping for me. I avoid Amazon like the plauge because know they punishes anyone who chooses "free" shipping, by making them wait as they don't want it to arrive in two days anyways.

      Everyone acts like Walmart is awful, and I'm not giving them a pass, but Amazon is the Walmart of the Web. Let's stop pretending.

  14. Fuck made in china garbage, and fuck amazon by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's worthless crap. And I'm not even american...

  15. tragic narcissists by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Why would we shop at Walmart?

    The prices are good,the quality is Good Enough, it's less than 2 miles from the house, and there are 4 people in our household.

    yes indeed it's all about you and your convenience

    you are gladly giving your money to people who literally want you to die

    don't believe me? look at what they pay people. not enough to eat

    1. Re:tragic narcissists by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 1

      look at what they pay people.

      Look at the people they employ. My local Walmart has an employee in a wheelchair, and two that look like they have Down's Syndrome. Walmart is providing jobs to people on the bottom rung of the economic ladder. That is a Good Thing.

      not enough to eat

      Not enough for a single income head-of-household. But a big help for an additional earner who would otherwise be unemployed.

    2. Re:tragic narcissists by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not enough for a single income head-of-household. But a big help for an additional earner who would otherwise be unemployed.

      slavery was actually better than this. slave owners had to actually house and feed their slaves, but today walmart can get the government to pay for feeding and housing their slaves

  16. VERY OLD NEWS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Dam, it has been almost 20 years since Wal-Mart moved away from Made in America to cheap Asian products. I doubt that you can find 5% of the products of value between 1 cent and $20 that are not imported.

    Sam Walton would be crying if he saw what his family and 'friends' have done to his legacy.

  17. They have only themselves to blame by enjar · · Score: 1

    Wal-Mart makes up (or maybe "made up"?) something like 3% of US GDP and the family who runs it has multiple members in the "100 Richest people in the world" list put out annually by Fortune. Their relentless push to drive down prices and overall cheapness is well documented in business circles, and their business tactics have forced many American manufacturers to relocate their manufacturing facilities overseas, mostly to China, so that Walmart could shave the prices down some more. This is well documented in stories such as "The Man Who Said No To Walmart" in "Fast Company" and "Is Wal-Mart Good for America?" on PBS's Frontline. There are many other such analyses that show how Walmart's influence led to American jobs being pushed out. Let's also not forget Walmart is also a leader in putting their employees on Medicaid, effectively stuffing the taxpayer to pay their employee health care (http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2012/dec/06/alan-grayson/alan-grayson-says-more-walmart-employees-medicaid-/), so by having a Walmart in your state, your tax dollars are going to fund their healthcare while the corporate office is pushing for tax breaks to pay out more executive bonuses to quite literally one of the wealthiest families in the world.

    1. Re:They have only themselves to blame by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "BUT but Trump said "make in 'murica" and walmarts said too so Trump is wrong so stupid herp derp. LOL trumpanzees lolz."

      The summary is fake news click bait.

  18. It would be interesting to see... by cyn1c77 · · Score: 1

    What percentage of Trump voters (versus those who voted for Clinton) also shop at Walmart?

    1. Re:It would be interesting to see... by neo-mkrey · · Score: 1

      I don't know about percentages, but a Venn diagram of the two would be almost a perfect circle.

    2. Re:It would be interesting to see... by Tailhook · · Score: 1

      No, it wouldn't. If you look at a map of Walmart locations the big concentrations are in major urban areas. LA, Chicago, Baltimore, Boston, Washington, Philidelphia, St. Louis, Kansas City, Denver etc. There are lots of locations sprinkled over the Eastern hinterlands, but those are 25-50 miles or more apart, whereas you can't swing a wife beater in Tampa without hitting a Walmart.

      Walmart's largest demographic is lower income urbanites living in deep blue counties. The snaggletooth trumpsters that haunt your dreams don't tend to live in these big cities; they evacuated long ago to the exburbs and beyond. The big retail chains you can name don't serve these areas well. Out there you find Rural King (yes, that's the actual name), Tractor Supply Co. ("For Life Out Here"), Family Farm and Home, etc., lots of smaller regional chains and many, many independent retailers. The good independents are really nice as well; remember, the median income of the typical Trumpanzee primary voter is $72k. They aren't all poor.

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  19. I only see fucked by Wally world by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Not even one item in the meat section I cant get a better price on. Walmart has been trying to knock your head of on rice for quit awhile now Walmart and whole paycheck have alot in common in the food section.

    Even Electronics selling you docsis 3.0 at prices like 3.1 Did not know people who by routers were suckers.
    Same items all the time guess once you get in you have it all sewed up

    Why do grocery stores up against them try to compete with same products I would not have even one item the same lots of smaller layers would love to get in anywhere it seems to me.