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Being Outside Could Become Deadly In South Asia, Says Study (go.com)
An anonymous reader quotes a report from ABC News: Venturing outdoors may become deadly across wide swaths of India, Pakistan and Bangladesh by the end of the century as climate change drives heat and humidity to new extremes, according to a new study. These conditions could affect up to a third of the people living throughout the Indo-Gangetic Plain unless the global community ramps up efforts to rein in climate-warming carbon emissions. Today, that vast region is home to some 1.5 billion people. While most climate studies have been based on temperature projections, this one -- published Wednesday in the journal Science Advances -- is somewhat unique in also considering humidity as well as the body's ability to cool down in response. Most of those at risk in India, Pakistan and Bangladesh are poor farmworkers or outdoor construction laborers. They are unlikely to have air conditioners -- up to 25 percent in of India's population still has no access to electricity. In some areas that have been deforested for industry or agriculture, they may not even have very much shade.
For the study, the researchers carried out computer simulations using global atmospheric circulation models under two scenarios -- one in which the world comes close to meeting its goal of curbing emissions to limit Earth's average temperature rise to 2 degrees C (3.6 degrees F) above pre-industrial levels, and one in it continues emitting at current levels. Both scenarios play out dangerously for South Asia. But with no limit on global warming, about 30 percent of the region could see dangerous wet bulb temperatures above 31 degrees C (88 degrees F) on a regular basis within just a few decades. That's nearly half a billion people by today's population levels, though the full scale could change as the population grows. Meanwhile, 4 percent of the population -- or 60 million in today's population -- would face deadly highs at or above 35 degrees C (95 degrees F) by 2100. But if the world can limit global warming, that risk exposure declines drastically. About 2 percent of the population would face average wet bulb temperatures of 31 degrees C (88 degrees F) or higher.
For the study, the researchers carried out computer simulations using global atmospheric circulation models under two scenarios -- one in which the world comes close to meeting its goal of curbing emissions to limit Earth's average temperature rise to 2 degrees C (3.6 degrees F) above pre-industrial levels, and one in it continues emitting at current levels. Both scenarios play out dangerously for South Asia. But with no limit on global warming, about 30 percent of the region could see dangerous wet bulb temperatures above 31 degrees C (88 degrees F) on a regular basis within just a few decades. That's nearly half a billion people by today's population levels, though the full scale could change as the population grows. Meanwhile, 4 percent of the population -- or 60 million in today's population -- would face deadly highs at or above 35 degrees C (95 degrees F) by 2100. But if the world can limit global warming, that risk exposure declines drastically. About 2 percent of the population would face average wet bulb temperatures of 31 degrees C (88 degrees F) or higher.
...up to 25 percent in of India's population still has no access to electricity.
Fix this issue and your problem will be solved.
Time is what keeps everything from happening all at once.
As long as authoritative people call global warming "Just Weather"...
As long as we vote said authoritative people into office...
Our hope lies in education. Lots of it. Regardless of anything.
I hadn't the slightest objection to his spending his time planning massacres for the bourgeoisie... (P.G. Wodehouse)
If you want to suddenly cool off the planet you can just put enough ash in the high atmosphere as happened few times in the past when some volcanoes exploded...
Fortunately Reddit knows how to properly take care of this cc bullshit
the problem will obviously solve itself
I met a Russian back packer from Siberia who thought global warming was a great idea.
being outside is a problem in australia
yes the wildlife will kill you
yes the sun will cause cancer
but honestly australia does not have a clue with regards to weather we only have 600 weather stations for an entire continent and apparently we cant calibrate them...
accurate weather stations that people can purchase would be nice...
regards
John Jones
While I definitely agree climate change, especially in this region, is a major problem, I think their definition of "deadly" is a little off the mark. I spent several weeks in India in April, when the temperatures routinely topped 40C(104F) and occasionally reached 45C (113F). It was clear the locals found it hot, but it didn't seem to affect the frenetic pace of commerce in the cities I visited. Then again, that was pre-monsoon, so the humidity wasn't as high.
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We need to put an end to climate change denial - by environmentalists. Their advocacy of renewables as the only solution to climate change is based on there being just the right amount of climate change. Enough for us to have to abandon fossil fuels, but not enough that we have to do it immediately thereby leaving us enough time to develop renewable technologies.*
The projections are growing more and more dire. Environmentalists need to stop using climate change as a means to advance their renewables agenda, thereby putting the survival of humanity (and a bunch of animal species) at risk. We need to phase out fossil fuels ASAP and switch over to the only power generation technology available which can provide enough base load cheaply enough to satisfy our modern needs - nuclear.
Once we've switched to nuclear and have arrested global warming, then we can work on developing renewables. And as renewables improve in scalability, come down in cost, and battery technology improves allowing us to even out time-variances in renewable production, then we can start using renewables to phase out nuclear plants. Their current tactic of blocking nuclear power, thereby leaving fossil fuels and renewables as our only choices, is literally playing chicken with the survival of the human race. It's like being on a sinking ship but preventing anyone from using the life rafts, insisting that the only solution is that everyone needs to learn how to swim in the short time we have.
*(This is why a lot of climate change deniers don't believe environmentalists about climate change. They figure if environmentalists really believed climate change threatened our existence, they wouldn't be advocating half measures which will take decades to develop and implement. They'd be advocating eliminating fossil fuels immediately, without caring what replaces it short-term as long as it doesn't emit CO2. But since they are opposed to nuclear, climate change deniers logically reason that the environmentalists are lying about climate change.)
Because they'll move to your county to get away from it.
In a part of the world that has leeches raining from trees, 400 pound catfish, giant scorpions, spitting cobras, and oh yes, man-eating tigers.........eh, what were we worrying about again?
"First they came for the slanderers and i said nothing."
> ...up to 25 percent in of India's population still has no access to electricity.
> Fix this issue and your problem will be solved.
Contrary to what you think, India knows electricity well, e.g. they are in Top10 worldwide regarding electrified railways, they have a huge 25kV AC based traction network.
Generating more electricity, however causes even more pollution. If you use hydro-carbons, CO2 will be released, further accelerating the AGW.
If you use nuclear, radioactive waste will be created and India already has a health problem, birth defects, etc. due to high radiation background in much of the country. (Scientists says it is caused natually by the ancient, thorium-rich bedrock, while vedic legends say there was an all out nuclear war there about 8000 years ago). Fusion energy is still promised 50 years into the future...
Hydro-electricity isn't very practicable in India, because the mountains are in the northern-most part but the population lives mostly in the southern tip of the vast subcontinent, so transfer losses would be too high even at 750kV AC. Furthermore, the northern region's borders and resources are contested by Pakistan and China and trying to build a dam there would probably ignite warfare.
Wind, I have no idea, but Asia usually experiences extremely strong weather phenomenon never seen in Europe, so one must wonder if those fancy "Made In Germany" fiber laminate wind pylons would topple in a monsoon?
Radioactive waste does not cause any health problems whatsoever if it is stored properly and I doubt German windmills built on a suitable foundation for the circumstances will topple under any realistic weather circumstances. It's not like wind on the North Sea is restrited to mild breezes.
The summary says two emissions scenarios were looked at " one in it continues emitting at current levels". The article says RCP 8.5 was used. RCP 8.5 is quite incredible. Nigeria has a current population of 200 million. Under RCP 8.5 it is envisaged that this will grow to 1.5 billion by the end of the century, turning a rural country into one with the same population density as the Vatican Cty.
Also of course, TFA relies on the same sort of computer models that have currently been overpredicting temperature rises consistently since 1990.
We are entering era when increasingly large parts of our planet will be exploitable only with special suits and vehicles, like if Earth we know begin slowly morphing towards Mars. I don't think there is hope for changing direction. Our brains, especially considering average human brain, is simply not built to handle this type of problems, simply because evolution never needed us to care about such things. People of the World will not elect Al Gore and politicians like him, except maybe in Europe. General public cannot process information of this scale and complexity to understand what is going on.
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Is that the cool thing to say these days?
From WP's Wet-bulb_temperature page:
Just temperature alone doesn't give the complete picture when it comes to risk. That's why TFA was specifically about wet-bulb temperatures, because when they're exceeded then you can't just "put up and endure it". You die if you have no artificial means of cooling yourself, as the body's only significant temperature reduction mechanism stops working, and that's not survivable for long.
"The question of whether machines can think is no more interesting than [] whether submarines can swim" - Dijkstra
I think you are confusing climate with weather
Time for bed, said Zebedee - boing
Perhaps we should start with the carbon dioxide producing elements in south side Chicago, and make them zero emissions.
Nuclear advocates conveniently forget that it's not possible for nuclear to stop climate change or even reduce it to any significant degree, because only the afluent West can afford nuclear reactors in sufficient quantity. It's simply not an option for the majority of the world.
In fact, even if the West gave reactors away for free (good joke that), they couldn't be manufactured quickly enough to provide the desired worldwide reduction in time to stay within the global temperature targets. There is no such thing as "fast track nuclear" because of all the checks and quality controls needed for such a powerful technology.
But it gets worse. There are also political constraints on deployment of nuclear power, so even if everyone could afford it or it were given away for free and at the same time the reactors could be manufactured quickly enough (none of which is true), politics would prevent worldwide deployment.
Nuclear could provide a solution if pigs could fly. But they don't fly, and so nuclear advocates are, either out of ignorance or from the blindness of fanboism, not proposing a solution that is realizable.
Beware the summers of death. They will be coming soon.
That's the general attitude here. On /., and the west in general. Who gives half a fuck about Indians? There's so many of them anyway, a few million of them dying, so what? I got my air condition, I got my office job, why should I not continue driving my SUV just so some Indian pariah can survive?
Welcome to the wonderful Christian world of compassion. You may vomit now.
We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
Its not like those moneys in the east can have reactors!
After all, who can imaging China or Japan with them, or India even!
Oh, wait a second, they do have them, and China is busy building more.
India and China only account for what, about 35% of the worlds population?
Oh, you didnt mean 'west'? yo mean non-3rd world? well, perhaps thats what you should have said (btw, that doesnt mean what I bet you think it does either...)
I guess then you are an idiot..
So, like Panama then?
Seven puppies were harmed during the making of this post.
But... but.... everyone is going to DIE! We need your money NOW! How can you hate the environment so much?
Seven puppies were harmed during the making of this post.
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What has me even more concerned than this study is not that 1.5 billion people may find themselves living in an inhospitable region, but the reaction people will have to it. Will they just roll over and die by the hundreds of millions? Somehow adapt using new training, technology, and wealth they don't have today? Perhaps they might simply start a war over the fact they can't live within thier sovereign territory and feel they need others resources to live? Several of these countries have nuclear weapons and many aren't super stable on a good day. Its not far fetched that the consequences of resource wars could be far more severe than the actual climate differences itself.
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My god man -
"Consensus"?!
"Experts"!?
That's NOT SCIENCE nor is it even rationality or based on reason.
There were plenty of "experts" in the "science" of phrenology. Didn't make it accurate or real.
There were and are plenty of "experts" in the "science" of astrology. Doesn't make it accurate or real.
There were and are plenty of "experts" with lots of valid "consensus" that ulcers were caused by stress and acid. Turns our that wasn't real or all.
The stock market will never go greater than 20,000
We've reached peak oil and oil production will drop off
bla-bla-bla
His quote is completely and totally accurate and you've proved it for him
"Lots of people seem to think that humanity is facing some sort of crisis of selfishness. I tend to feel that humanity is facing a crisis of intellectual integrity. People just cannot stand that someone with a different view might actually be right."
south asia? woot? since when is asia on the same side as australia and new zealand?
maybe there will be "shade oasises" in the future:
huge solar parks collecting "heat"; pumping electricity underground to run de-humidifiers to top-up water flasks and cool down over-heating travelers?
At our present growth rate (about 2.3% a year?), even with 100% 'clean' energy, we will generate enough heat to boil off (ok, vaporize) the oceans in about 400 years.
“He’s not deformed, he’s just drunk!”
> ...up to 25 percent in of India's population still has no access to electricity.
> Fix this issue and your problem will be solved.
...Generating more electricity, however causes even more pollution...
Not if you do it with solar.
> Radioactive waste does not cause any health problems whatsoever if it is stored properly
Based on a history of developed countries experience that probably has only 2 decades worth of relevant data for material that can take 1000 years to decay to a low health risk.
While I am a proponent of nuclear power (even if it requires subsidization on the national level), I would not be a proponent for it based on the current state of technology (designed in the 1960's). Nuclear waste management is an indispensable requirement, and most nations do not have a remotely credible one. Also, future nuclear reactors need to be based on technologies like thorium, and "meltdown proof", both which are in technological reach.
There is no America. There is no democracy. There is only IBM and AT&T and DuPont, Dow, General Electric, and Exxon
according to the POTUS.
Make America Great and who cares about these people? They don't pay taxes in the USA so who cares? Not me and nor should any true American.
Everything else is FAKE NEWS and a Russian plot and those damm mexicans are gonna pay for that wall.
Aren't I wonderful?
spontaneously smoldering with no concept of who/what wrought this unearthly unbalance.. just like us? cease fire stand down.. some still calling this 'weather' sing along.. https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=wmd+weather
Also, Greenland would be quite nice.. and it's largely uninhabited.
Once the ice pack melts, Greenland will be largely underwater. Much of the actual land is below sea level.
No, it isn't. Greenland is way above sea level. Where do you get your information from?
Here's a nice set of maps of the shorelines if all the ice caps melted, for what it's worth: http://www.nationalgeographic.... Greenland is almost unaffected.
Isn't that where emissions are increasing the fastest? India is #3 or 4 on the list of polluters, neighboring China is #1. India is expected to surpass the emissions of the entire EU by 2020, and their recent increases canceled out decreases in the US and China. India is already making it's air unbreathable, maybe they should stop before it also cooks them.
Nuclear does not solve climate change. For every kWh produced, nuclear puts two kWh worth of water vapor, which is a "greenhouse gas", in the atmosphere.
That makes no sense. First, you can't measure water vapor in kWh. Second, although water vapor is indeed a greenhouse gas, water vapor in the atmosphere equilibrates on a time scale of days: it's called "rain".
You are right about nuclear having other problems, which may or may not be addressable. One problem is that current technologies won't solve the problem: in the long term, you'll either need to start up breeder reactors to produce enough fuel (something people don't want to do, because of weapons-potential), or switch to a new and unproven cycle such as thorium.
Probably doable. The problems are technically solvable. But whether they're politically and socially and economically solvable, I don't know.
and oh yes, man-eating tigers.....
Not very many of them left. Tiger population of the world, outside zoos, is under 4,000.
http://tigerpopulation.weebly.com/uploads/3/7/7/8/37787381/1412938552.png
Plants and animals are equally affected -- but they have no way of protecting themselves. And they are almost always forgotton in such news. What worth is an air con if the land around you has turned into a desert?
Hate to break it to ya, but radiative material with a half-life of 1000 years isnt very dangerous.
Its the stuff with much shorter half lives that are dangerous.
"His name was James Damore."
You have some basic facts and you've drawn some basic conclusions... then you've made the mistake of thinking you know enough that you have an accurate idea of how climate and climate cycles work and can judge mankind's relative influence.
The good news is, with that level of ignorance you have plenty of room in your brain to handle learning new things should you choose to do so.
Humans live in a wide range of temps all over the world. From -100 degrees F. to 130 degrees F.
There is also food sources in all those environments which is especially fine since we are omnivores.
No, he's just using the same argument you folks like to use, but in reverse. Any time it's unusually hot out CNN is plastered with "OMG!!!!!! CLIMATE CHANGE!!!!!!!!". If you don't like him talking about weather in regards to climate change, start petitioning every news source to do the same. The climate scientists should be the ones doing this, but for some odd reason they don't mind the news talking about the weather when it's advantageous to them.
Radioactive waste does not cause any health problems whatsoever if it is stored properly
Point to the radioactive waste that is being stored properly.
"You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
And don't forget all the people deciding to go "off-grid" of their own volition. No electricity? No AC?
So many people seem to choose to ignore the fact that residential air conditioning didn't exist until the 1920s, and probably then, only for wealthy people in the world. What about the big chunks of the world that see 120 deg F daily?
In my mind, the bigger problem is rising ocean levels. Humans can deal with heat, but you can only swim so long. And if we lose livable land area, it will force more people into a smaller space, which is probably far more dangerous than a few degrees' increase in average daily temperature.
Last year alone, about 4000 people died of heat stroke in Southern India between Feb - Jun. The Govt had prohibited outdoor activities in schools and construction workers were required to take mandatory breaks every hour.
Kerala, which used to get one of the highest amount of rainfalls in India, now has drought like conditions.
Thar desert on the other hand received record rainfalls and many areas are slowly getting covered in vegetation.
Oman saw snow consistently in the last three years! :-)
Transmission line losses for 1 GW over 1000 miles at 765 kV range from 5% to 11% (extrapolated from wikipedia).
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The elephant in the room is that we are overpopulating the Earth. Even and especially liberals will agree with this, but the moment you suggest that we should reduce population, they immediately switch into "muh reproductive rights!" mode.. damn all responsibility to hell.
Some very well-respected scientists have spent decades determining what the Earth can handle in terms of human population, and that number is right around 2.25 Billion. That is what is sustainable. We are currently pushing 3 times that.
But, you'll never hear liberals talking about how we have to stop paying people to have more kids. You'll never hear liberals talking about how people should be more responsible when it comes to reproduction (or about anything else for that matter). And, you'll never hear any individual talking about how they need to make a personal sacrifice for the sake of the future of our species.
Human selfishness has basically doomed us to extinction, and you know what? We deserve it. My only hope is that the Earth continues to survive and thrive after we are gone; that we don't totally destroy it and kill every living thing on our way out. I have a feeling the Earth will find a way to survive; it always has in the past.
It is the perfect example of something absurdly idiotic given massive attention in order to shift focus from the actual issues, such as the global genocide of Whites/Aryans, which must be considered the #1 priority for anyone who cares about humanity.
Absolutely! Solar cells virtually rain down upon us, we need only collect them each morning and *poof*, electricity!
Imagine having to manufacture them, the odd chemicals, by-products and waste, and the rare earths etc used for interconnects and circuitry to control them. THAT would be a monumental environmental disaster.
And yet they make smartphones that are just terrible for the environment. Stupid gits.
deleting the extra space after periods so i can stay relevant, yeah.
While your reasoning is of course correct (higher half life translates into a lower intensity of radiation).
It doesn't mean, however, that radioactive wase doesn't remain dangerous for more than 1000 years. I think nobody in the nuclear industry (not even the proponants) would deny that. Look e.g. to answer on question 4 on this pro nuclar power website where they admit that it takes 1000-10000 years for nuclear waste to become sufficiently safe. link
Why talk about how horrible the end of the century is going to be in Asia climate-wise while we still cannot predict the weather for the weekend?
It turns out to be much easier to predict the average temperature over a large area for a long term than the instantaneous temperature at a single location at a single time.
I can tell you the average height of American males with pretty good confidence (177 cm)-- but I can only guess how tall you are, and with a very high error.
If you fix the issue of 25% of Indians not have electricity, you've just increased global warming a few more degrees by making them contributors.
Unless you fix it with renewables, in which case they will contribute less because right now they're burning anything they can lay hands on.
Absolutely.
The pollution levels in central India are absolutely appalling, and they are appalling precisely because the people are so poor
How are climate change activists preventing Indians from accessing cheap energy?
They aren't, of course. Cheap energy in rural India is now being addressed by low cost solar arrays, which is something climate change activists like.
This isn't actually a result of climate change activism, but in fact a result of an earlier crisis: the current generation of low-cost solar panels is a direct result of the Low Cost Solar Array project, originally started in response to the 1970s Energy Crisis (actually an oil crisis).
"Absolutely! Solar cells virtually rain down upon us, we need only collect them each morning and *poof*, electricity!"
Exactly! US Congress believes that Chinese solar cells are cheaper than it costs to manufacture them, it doesn't get any cheaper than that.
Climate is when it supports the AGW mantra. Weather is when it doesn't.
Browsing at +1 - no ACs, I ignore their posts. So refreshing!
Absolutely! Solar cells virtually rain down upon us, we need only collect them each morning and *poof*, electricity!
There are, of course, a large number of solar panel manufacturers in India, and solar has supplied a significant amount of the electrical growth in India. I'm not sure if you're clueless, or just pretending to be clueless.
You might start here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...
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Imagine having to manufacture them, the odd chemicals, by-products and waste, and the rare earths etc used for interconnects and circuitry to control them. THAT would be a monumental environmental disaster.
There have been a large number of people recently claiming that solar panel manufacture is an environmental nightmare, but as far as I can tell, none of these actually know anything about solar panel manufacture.
A good way to tell who is clueless and who isn't is to see whether they're claiming solar panels use rare earth metals. (They don't.)
Half a bonus point for at least saying that it's the "interconnects and circuitry to control them" that use rare earths. These don't either, but at least you have enough of a clue to know that solar panels don't use rare earths, so you know enough to be flailing around.
Define properly, because if there's any in the US that you know about, i'm sure the EPA would love to hear about it.
That's NOT SCIENCE nor is it even rationality or based on reason.
Someone doesn't know what empiricism means.
That actually sums up quite a lot about your post, actually.
Those who advocate genocide deserve every protection afforded by law, and none afforded by common human decency.
It's already true of parts of California, too, it's just a slow process. Google, 'Valley Fever California'. Ditto Mexico city and a few other places. This is already a thing, in the Central Valley there are 'purple' days where it's advised one stays inside. This isn't new, either, it's just that the rest of CA have their heads shoved so far up their asses, they pretent central CA doesn't exist, it's easy to just fly over it. Incidentally, most of the pollution in that region is from big agriculture, not automobiles.
Will it be deadly in the evening, night and morning too?
Or will that be in another 500 years?
LOL. Warmists.
where being outside is deadly, one man stood up...
Build giant air conditioners and figure out a way to constrain the heat to other forms of energy or transfer it to space.
If all the ice caps and glaciers melt, expect sea level to rise about 61 meters. Yes, this has a big effect on coastal areas and atoll islands. But the actual loss of land surface area represented is small, something on the order of 10% of surface area is flooded, but then again, a lot of Greenland and Antarctica would no longer be covered in ice so we have some usable surface area gained. The net loss is a few percent of the current surface area.
It's not like the earth will become Waterworld even if all the ice melts.
There's plenty of sites that can show you maps based on sea-level, and they include "what if all ice caps and glaciers melt" among the different views.
that after reading about all this, all I can think of is, Indian zombies
what raised the bar, though is They won't need too much makeup
Can't go outside?
Maybe they'll figure out how not to shit in the streets.
Time to start working on those domed cities I read about in the fancy manga magazines.. May as well start up the Academy of Law to start training the street judges needed to police these mega domed cities.
Hope your cancer is delicious and brutal.
This is an informal fallacy called tue quoque, or 'appeal to hypocrisy'. If these people could themselves solve this problem then hypocrisy would be a valid argument. Since this is not the case it's simply a baseless personal attack.
But it's really not necessary to listen to others on the subject. The science is pretty accessible. Arrhenius 1896 lays out the basics, and it should be readable by anyone with a high school education. Equally instructive are the reasons why it was considered disproven for 50 years. Or are you somehow unaware that this issue was discovered by scientists over a hundred years ago instead of by recent celebrities?
Those who advocate genocide deserve every protection afforded by law, and none afforded by common human decency.
I know what the wet bulb temperature is. What I need to know is, what is the wet head temperature?
The wet head temperature determines how comfortable I am!
That's not what that link says. Look, we're a pretty savvy group here, all right? If the experts are all saying one thing, it's probably not a great idea to assume that you know better.
What your link specifically says is that it takes 1-10k years for the high-level waste to reach radiation levels on par with the original ore. This says nothing about safe radiation levels, and there isn't any particularly good definition for what is "safe" to begin with. There are multiple different types of radiation and different hazards depending on the exact type. Alpha emitters can typically be safely handled, but if ingested are quite dangerous. The biological models for radiation are a subject of current research, and in particular the linear no-threshold model is probably on its way out the door. Generally speaking "safe" is not well defined, certainly not as a blanket statement about all nuclear waste. And again, the more dangerous it is, the less time it will be a problem. Waste storage facilities tend to be massively over-engineered; the actual health risks of the waste decline pretty rapidly.
Those who advocate genocide deserve every protection afforded by law, and none afforded by common human decency.
Terminal cancer means it will kill you. If it's cured (and that is the problem) before you actually die, then the cancer won't kill you. 'cos it's gone.
... this would solve the outsourcing to India problem. Not the most elegant way, what with the death and all...
It's their own fault. Their methods of operation create far more pollution AND they have far more operation than the rest of the world. Why else do you think THOSE parts of the world are thick with smog? THEY have to clean up their own act.
People in the rest of the world use more energy but the pollution level is negligible. Compare the carbon output of a hydro-electric dam or Tesla's giga-factory vs. any of the who-knows-how-many unscrubbed coal plants or dirty factories in Asia and you'll find the problem. People can scream at me about how green I need to be until they're blue in the face but I simply don't care. The ball isn't even in my court.
Go yell at India and China and maybe stop buying your stupid Asian-made yearly iDroid. If you want to be tracked so badly, pop the gauge out of your already destroyed ear lobe and slot in an RFID tag instead.
DC or AC?
Still waiting on Serviscope_minor to wake up to fucking reality and realize that Jessica Price isn't going to fuck him.
This looks really good, tbh.
I'm interested in seeing how Elon Musk's solar powered batteries turn out. If they work well (and cheaply enough) then suddenly solar becomes a viable alternative to nuclear.
"First they came for the slanderers and i said nothing."
Which is one of the many reasons why Bjorn's CLOUD experiement was doomed to fail from the start in his aims. CCNs are so oversupplied that any cloud from cosmic ray condensation nuclei would come at the expense of a cloud from any other CCN.
If the tropical places don't want to get hot, perhaps they shouldn't cut down the forests that locally regulate temperature and humidity.
Besides, I welcome some warming as it's quite cold for nine months of the year where I live. Might be nice to not have to wear gloves, hats and a scarf for a change.
Another thread full of people who...
don't understand what wet bulb temperature is
don't understand the difference between climate and weather
don't understand the scientific method
don't understand selective bias
think i r smart
think their opinions and anecdotal experience (see 2 previous points right above) carries more weight than large swaths of data
Should be easy, because there will be the court document from the judge declaring this.
Funnily enough, nobody has ever managed to find it. Nor the court docket update showing that the case has been abandoned. Seemingly deniers, even ones claiming legal expertise, do not know what adjourned means for a court case...
The temperature rising 3 degrees on average, across the globe, results in the icecaps melting AND half the people in India dying of heat stroke? The Earth's energy increase just 0.6% results in catastrophe?
A) The Goldilocks Zone we found ourselves in was much smaller than we ever thought. The possibility of finding alien life now seems minuscule.
B) Those glaciers at the north pole must of been more slush than ice all these years.
C) Luckily, we have two generations to begin adapting. Do you really expect the craptastic shanty towns housing people in India will be around in 100yrs? I don't expect most of the crappy McMansions everybody struggles for in the US to be around.
Aah, change is good. -- Rafiki
Yeah, but it ain't easy. -- Simba
That's what nukes and F-18's are for.
A couple of days of "kill on sight" at the borders will fix that little problem.
Oh, ive got plenty of mod points, keep going and you will be starting at -1 and can be ignored.
Poor snowflake can't face reality.
Snowflake want rubber ball? Squeezed between its ties it might feel like a testicle? Maybe?
Maybe then snowflake can face reality instead of being a pathetic loser who can't accept factuality of arguments, forced to throw mod-tantrums instead?
Like a retarded baby with diarrhea. Only more retarded.
Anyways... as I was saying above to that CUNT who's accusing people promoting renewables of genocide...
Those hundreds of thousands you mention have NO energy, if by energy you mean electricity.
Nor the means to get it. There is no electric grid in most those places. Nor will there be as long as there's money in stealing copper cables.
And guess what?
Those "douche bag westerns preaching about global warming" are actually a part of the solution.
Cause all that preaching is the reason why western governments have pumped in billions of dollars into renewable energy (and continue to do so), increasing production and lowering prices of solar and wind power (particularly solar) - thus creating conditions for all those hundreds of thousands you clearly care sooooo much for to get electricity for the first time.
Electricity from renewable sources, that is.
Which is not only cleaner now, thanks in part to those "western douche bags", it is also cheaper than the same electricity from coal.
Which kinda makes you a part of the problem, doesn't it?
So... how does it feel to be "actively killing real people right now"? Does it get your limp dick hard enough to see it?
Without a microscope?
The best part of all this is - facts still remain facts.
I.e. My downmodders are proving themselves to be SUCH pathetic cognitively dissonant losers with each downmode it's so HI-LAR-I-OUS it's almost tragic.
Like watching a brat writhing on the floor, kicking and screaming "IT'S NOT! IT'S NOT! IT'S NOT!".
And then you say "Oh yes it is." And kick it in the face.
Mit der Dummheit kämpfen Götter selbst vergebens
Bullshit detected! Please don protective gear as soon as possible!
Cut the population and you cut emissions
Well what do you know?
I still haven't run out of copy/paste NOR has the reality abruptly changed to fit delusions of pathetic creatures who can't face facts.
How's them mod points working for ya, snowflake? Still downmodding facts and arguments you can't accept?
Aaaaw...
Anyways... as I was saying above to that CUNT who's accusing people promoting renewables of genocide...
Those hundreds of thousands you mention have NO energy, if by energy you mean electricity.
Nor the means to get it. There is no electric grid in most those places. Nor will there be as long as there's money in stealing copper cables.
And guess what?
Those "douche bag westerns preaching about global warming" are actually a part of the solution.
Cause all that preaching is the reason why western governments have pumped in billions of dollars into renewable energy (and continue to do so), increasing production and lowering prices of solar and wind power (particularly solar) - thus creating conditions for all those hundreds of thousands you clearly care sooooo much for to get electricity for the first time.
Electricity from renewable sources, that is.
Which is not only cleaner now, thanks in part to those "western douche bags", it is also cheaper than the same electricity from coal.
Which kinda makes you a part of the problem, doesn't it?
So... how does it feel to be "actively killing real people right now"? Does it get your limp dick hard enough to see it?
Without a microscope?
Mit der Dummheit kämpfen Götter selbst vergebens
I note the use of "could become" in the headline. Before I jump into the deep end in response to this latest dire hysterical warning, can someone please list all the accurate warmer predictions from the last decade? Preferably someone who has actually spent a summer working outside in the Earth's tropical (or even near-tropical) zone, and not someone who spends all his time in air conditioned comfort in front of a computer display.
sounds like they need to stop using coal there then
> Contrary to what you think, India knows electricity well, e.g. they are in Top10 worldwide regarding electrified railways, they have a huge 25kV AC based traction network.
> Wind, I have no idea, but Asia usually experiences extremely strong weather phenomenon never seen in Europe, so one must wonder if those fancy "Made In Germany" fiber laminate wind pylons would topple in a monsoon?
Why would anyone except a smelly, insecure Indian say such things? You're pathetic.
Next they will tell me that going outside in Canada in the winter is deadly.
Asking WHY is a taboo in Politics/Army/Corporations/Schools/Colleges
Casteism
Uncivilized Caste system http://www.dailymail.co.uk/new...
Casteism